Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:52pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
FxMasterz: I've not said anything different from what I've been saying. Acts 15 was a talk about things needed for salvation. Tithe is not one of those things needed for salvation. Now you're talking! Christianity is about salvation that's why most irrelevant laws has nothing to do with Christianity! Act 15:28-29 |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:44pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
FxMasterz: The apostles wrote to let them know that circumcision is not necessarily for salvation. They were talking about the things that they needed to do to be saved which tithing is not among. Tithing is not salvific. It is commanded as an expression of love for God, not as a necessity for salvation. Ọmọ you were insisting on God's law nah so don't try to play smart law is law. Jesus , the Apostles and Holy Spirit has spoken there is no tithing in the arrangement within the Christian congregation!  |
Christianity Etc › Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by MaxInDHouse(op): 6:08pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
Emusan: if you have different opinion. Ọmọ Deeperlife, RCCG, MFM, Winner Chapel, Christ Embassy, SCOAN, Celestial, Cherubim and Seraphim, Foursquare, Chosen, Dinamis, Harvesters, Omega all have different opinions on beliefs and doctrines that is why they are CONTRADICTING themselves! So go and tell them your story!  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:04pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
FxMasterz: Yes, it applies to anyone who joins himself to the God of Israel living within or outside Israel.
Micah 4:2 "Many nations will come and say, 'Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.' The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem."
Prophecy fulfilled.
Tithing is a command. Not necessarily a law. The prophecy @ Micah 4:2; Isaiah 2:3 only came to fulfilment through the preaching and teaching of God's kingdom which Jesus' disciples began doing from the first century until now. When it became an issue whether the Mosaic laws still applies in Christianity this is what the Apostles told everyone: For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you! Act 15:28-29According to the Apostles and God's Holy Spirit tithe is no longer part of Christian requirement! |
Christianity Etc › Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by MaxInDHouse(op): 3:25pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
epfa: Watchtower is crafty. You don't even believe in Jesus because he has a global family of peace loving worshipers who are zealously preaching and industriously teaching in all their neighborhood! Act 1:8 So if you can't relate with any known group then you're simply deceiving yourself! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:58pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
Ken4Christ: What has tithe got to do with rulers in authority or with the society? Widows, orphans and stranded travelers in the land of Israel were to be cared for so it has everything to do with those in charge of affairs in Israel back then!  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:54pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
FxMasterz: Leviticus 24:22:, "You shall have one law for the alien and for the native; for I am the Lord your God." Aliens and natives that are living within the borders of Israel nah! That doesn't mean the laws God gave Israelites goes beyond the borders of Israel it's strictly for the Israelites and anyone living with them in that place! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:39pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
FxMasterz: Can you show me where the command said it was for a particular people alone? Can you show me where the God of Israel said the laws He gave Israelites is for the whole world?  |
Christianity Etc › Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by MaxInDHouse(op): 2:35pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
Emusan: No! I read scripture in plain English.
That is why I never tell you THIS IS WHAT one pastor tells me. Good! So you and i can't agree on beliefs after all if you read it on your own and i also do the same each reader will come to a different conclusion unlike what Jesus instituted that his disciples should TEACH others to continue making disciples. If you read yours alone and i read mine alone there's no way we can both arrive at the same line of thought that's why you have thousands of religions out there claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines yet instead of you to leave it that way since you don't welcome Jesus' opinion on disciples teaching disciples you are arguing up and down expecting people who also read the same book independently to agree with you!  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:06pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
StillDtruth: Keep The Commandments, is in the N T StillDtruth: The whole world is under The Law God gave Moses MaxInDHouse: How many countries agree not to bow towards images? Exodus 20:1-5 How many countries are keeping the Sabbath every Saturday? Exodus 20:8  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:00pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
FxMasterz: Tithe is a biblical command. Can you quote where Christians are asked not to pay tithes in the new testament? Biblical command for Israelites or Christians? |
Christianity Etc › Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by MaxInDHouse(op): 1:50pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
Emusan: ave I ever said, this is WHAT MY PASTOR SAY about GOD and you need to believe my Pastor? You were TAUGHT by some religionists just as i was TAUGHT by some religionists so if you are not convinced that my beliefs are true at least you believe what your teachers TAUGHT you. So keep yours while i keep mine!  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why I Stopped Going To Church Or Believing In God by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:45pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
jaephoenix: Did you investigate the claim that Santa Claus exists? So why don't you believe he exists? Has Santa Claus stopped people worshiping it from raising weapons and going to wars?  |
Christianity Etc › Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by MaxInDHouse(op): 1:35pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
Emusan: Your your problem isn't the name of my church again, but now the NAME OF MY PASTOR. Why now ask for his wife, children and house address join? Useless tactics to boycott his lies being exposed. If you don't want me to know your church and your pastor why not keep your beliefs while i keep mine?  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:34pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
FxMasterz: Have you read Hebrews 7? Can you prove from Hebrews 7 that the tithe Jesus collects in heaven is your time spent in preaching? The Bible says we should preach the Word and be instant in season and out of season. Does that look like preaching for 1 tenth of your time to you? Did the Disciples preach such doctrine? Did they preach for one tenth of their times only? Can you quote where Christians pay tithes in the New Testament?  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:32pm On Sep 23, 2024 |
StillDtruth: The whole world is under The Law God gave Moses How many countries agree not to bow towards images? Exodus 20:1-5 How many countries are keeping the Sabbath every Saturday? Exodus 20:8  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:17am On Sep 23, 2024 |
Ken4Christ: Matthew 23:23 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: THESE OUGHT YE TO HAVE DONE, and not to leave the other undone
Read the concluding part of Jesus statement. So, he said, keep collecting tithe but don't neglect the other responsibilities.
Yes, it's true most churches collect tithe and neglect the poor in their midst. This is one area I have been advocating for the church to look into.
However, under the Old Testament, the good gesture of helping the widows, orphans etc from the tithe was done once in three years. This still proves that it wasn't the primary reason for tithe. Tithe is primarily for the welfare of the Levites who are full time workers in the house of God.
This brings another issue. Are workers in today’s churches adequately cared for. The answer is no. The G O enjoys the junk of the proceeds from tithe. But we will leave that to God to judge. The tithe can't apply in a society where there is different religions and those ruling aren't under the law covenant. According to the law all widows, orphans and stranded travelers in the society must be cared for, singers and instrumentalists also are part of the beneficiaries under the tithe arrangement so since we no longer live where everyone is practicing the same religion and those ruling us are not believers in the same laws it's impossible to practice the old tithing. That's why the priests in Jesus' day failed and your pastors today because rulership is not in the hands of those who should do justice to what the scriptures say neither is everyone practicing the same faith. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:10am On Sep 23, 2024 |
StillDtruth: And you are the judaist and isrealite He was addressing and as usual with you people you never obey God, And Christ warned you that The Law is a whole package and if you break one you break all And since you agree some apply, all apply. Secondly, N.T warned you to keep The Law but like Isreal you do as you like, so you have nothing valid to say and repeating yourself just proves it. So say no more and continue to do as Isreal did. Christians are no longer under the Mosaic laws that's why many things CHANGED! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:18am On Sep 23, 2024 |
StillDtruth: You should have said "all" not many and Christ did warn you that The Law is a whole package and if you break one you break all. And since you agree some apply, all apply. Secondly, N.T warned you to keep The Law but like Isreal you do as you like, your peril. Jesus was addressing Judaists not Christians in that context so there are many laws in the Old Testament that doesn't apply anymore in Christianity! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:43am On Sep 23, 2024 |
FxMasterz: First show us from the Scriptures where Christ cursed those collecting tithes.
Then, how do you expect Christ to collect tithe when He wasn't an earthly priest. There was an Aaronic priesthood in His earthly days who were collecting tithes. The Bibles says He needed not collect tithe because the Aaronic priesthood was still in force. But the Aaronic priesthood being done away and replaced with the Priesthood of Christ, Christ receives our tithes in heaven.
Don't tell me you didn't see the scriptures I quoted. Men that die revive tithes here but there He receives it of whom that is said He lives. Jesus never collected tithe from anyone when he walked the earth so when he became a spirit being the form of tithe the scriptures is talking about is not material things rather what Jesus commanded us to pay as his disciples is our time which we spend in the field ministry preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom! Matthew 10:11-13 That's what Jesus demanded from all his disciples and we are paying that to him directly as our High Priest!  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:37am On Sep 23, 2024 |
Ken4Christ: You always misinterpret scripture. Did he rebuke them because they paid tithe. He even said they ought to pay tithe but at the same time shouldn't neglect the weightier part of the law. YES he rebuked them for collecting the tithe but turning a blind eye on the main reason why that law was instituted. God arranged that one out of thirteen tribes of the sons of Israel should officiate in the Tabernacle for this reason God commanded that this tribe shouldn't be given any inheritance {Numbers 18:24} they must work in the Tabernacle and it's from what others were given tenth part of the profits they are making will be brought into the storeroom for Levites to use as their own inheritance {Nehemiah 10:39} Levites too must pay tithe and from that widows, orphans and stranded travelers are to be cared for! Deuteronomy 14:29 So what Jesus meant here is that the priests in his own time were doing the wrong thing by collecting tithe from both widows and orphans who were exempted from paying tithe according to the law as they are supposed to be on the consuming end and those who are in need among these widows, orphans and stranded travelers were not cared for as stated in the law. So if they are not doing the right thing as stated in the law then what right do they have to continue collecting the tithe from the people? Today the churches that are collecting tithe are all widows, orphans and stranded travelers cared for within the society? The answer is NO. WHY? Because unlike ancient Israel where their is no other religion apart from the worship inside the Tabernacle there are many religions and unlike ancient Israel where all the judges and elders participate in the worship inside the Tabernacle today's rulers are of different religions just as it was when Jesus walked the earth. So since the whole system has changed there is no sense materially paying or collecting tithe anymore! Hebrews 7:5-12 |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:17pm On Sep 22, 2024 |
FxMasterz: Christ does not need our payments. He doesn't have to be paid. Tithes are given to men on earth but spiritually, Christ receives it in heaven according to the scriptures. Your own personal opinion not written in the scriptures! If Jesus cursed those collecting tithe {Matthew 23:23} never collected tithe and his disciples never talked about collecting tithe apart from spending their time in the field ministry which he takes most seriously then you are speaking for yourself not the scriptures!  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:21pm On Sep 22, 2024 |
FxMasterz: The Bible commands us to tithe physical and material things only. So how do you tithe PHYSICAL and MATERIAL to Jesus who is no longer a human? PHYSICAL and MATERIAL tithe were given to humans {Hebrews 7:5-6} who needs it to survive {Nehemiah 13:10} so since Jesus never demanded tithing from anyone we can't relate with paying to humans, Jesus demanded we spend our time serving him in the field ministry preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom! Matthew 10:11-13 That's the only way we know that Christ could be paid because he is now a spirit king who doesn't need our material possessions so our own tithing in God's organization today is the preaching and teaching work that's why all JWs are zealous in this work spending our TIME!  |
Christianity Etc › Re: JW 008 The Year 1914 by MaxInDHouse(op): 6:08pm On Sep 22, 2024 |
Emusan: Christ the King! So, can you address my post now? What is the name of your pastor?  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:25pm On Sep 22, 2024 |
FxMasterz: There's no spiritual tithe Max. We're told to give our all, not our tenth when it comes to spirituality. Please tell me the name of your church where you people give everything you own to the church! Moreover if it's not tenth part then it's no longer TITHE but something else!  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:15pm On Sep 22, 2024 |
FxMasterz: Don't mind Max. This scripture below proves you're right. The Bible says Christ continues to receive tithe in heaven. Hebrews 7:8 "And here (earth) mortals who receive tithes, but there (heaven) He (Jesus) receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives." (NKJV) Or in a more literal translation from the Hebrew: "…and here mortal men receive tithes, but there (heaven) One (Jesus) receives them, of whom it is testified that He lives." (Hebrews 7:8, BLB) Context: Hebrews 7 discusses Melchizedek, a priest-king in Genesis 14:18-20, who received a tithe from Abraham. The author argues that Jesus Christ, as a priest in the order of Melchizedek (Psalm 110:4), receives tithes in heaven. Of course we are paying our tithe to Christ our High Priest but it's not money or material things since our Melchizedek is a Spirit King we pay our tithe in a spiritual sense by preaching and teaching spending our time in the ministry which is tantamount to paying something valuable since time is money!  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:10pm On Sep 22, 2024 |
StillDtruth: Does the N.T need to tell you to Obey God? Do.you not have the sense to? Not to talk of the fact that it still Commanded you to Obey God. There are many rules in the Old Testament that doesn't apply anymore in Christianity! |
Christianity Etc › Re: How To Control The Religionists by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:42am On Sep 22, 2024 |
lawani: You can never see a Babalawo owning a private jet. You're so shallow minded that you amuses with each post. For your information those owning private jets are sons or foaster sons of Babalawo all of them have spiritual godfathers who are spiritists so they're all members of the same coven! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Don't Preach The Gospel, Avoid Them by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:38am On Sep 22, 2024 |
johnw47: The true Church of course has God's Peace, Continue deceiving yourself!  |
Christianity Etc › Re: How To Control The Religionists by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:02am On Sep 22, 2024 |
lawani: I mean there are spiritualists or meta physicists who don't threaten unbelievers with damnation and who use methodology that can be demonstrated or taught to others. They don't preach hatred and etc. Those are who I mean There is none! There attitude is determined by the number of customers they have once there is competition among them they will scheme ways to prove that there is something wrong in going to other marketers. That's humans for you. Your so called meta physicists don't have enough customers to make themselves important that's why they are laying low!  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:57am On Sep 22, 2024 |
StillDtruth: Did The Law not already specify that the tithe.was for the humans? And Melchizedeck was not human yet he received Abraham's tithe. The key is God Commanded it, but obedience/disobedience is in your hands to do. God commanded it to be practiced in the Old Covenant not in the New that's why you can't see anywhere in the New Testament to support paying of tithe in a material sense!  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Anti Tithers. Please Give Me 2 Refs Where We Are Told To Give Offering In NT by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:05am On Sep 22, 2024 |
StillDtruth: Paul only explained that Christ was/is a better High Priest which clearly means that tithes must be given to Him. With this you hit the nail on its head but there is something you missed: The priests in Israel were humans who needs material things to survive {Nehemiah 13:10} but Christ Jesus is not human rather a spirit king so there is no way your material possessions could do a spirit king any good that's why he demanded another type of tithing from all his disciples which is preaching and teaching in our neighborhood {Matthew 10:11-13; 28:19-20} time is like money so the time we spend in preaching zealously and industriously teaching in our neighborhood is directly paid to Christ unlike the former tithing system where material things were paid to human priests!  |