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AntiChristian:
So because we are worshipping the same God we can't fight ourselves?

That's why i always say there is no Allah it's just a lie!

For your information the title "GOD" connotes SUPREME BEING so if there is a Allah who is truly supreme among you then there shouldn't be any ruler or leader that can order you to go killing the worshipers of Allah because Allah hates anyone who doesn't respect the life of his worshiper.

So it's either there was no Allah or you people don't know what your Allah really wants!

AntiChristian:
Job not Jonah!
Apologies for that!

Job like the children of Israel didn't have any law they all lived by conscience until the time God gave Moses laws to guide the children of Israel until the arrival of the Christ.

Jehovah is not like your Allah He knew that it's unwise to give people laws when they don't have any business with you so it's after He led Moses and Aaron to Egypt to free the Israelites from slavery that He decided to give them laws telling them that if they want to continue being protected by Him they must keep to His laws.

That's why it's unthinkable to say He is the same as your Allah who had no business with people yet sending Arabians to go kill them for not keeping laws they never agreed to live by in the first place!

AntiChristian:
What's the law of retribution from Moses?

It has nothing to do with worshipers of the same God supporting opposite sides rather it's God's people against enemies of pure worship.

That's why i'm asking you why do Muslims go to war against Muslims if you people are also worshiping the same God!

AntiChristian:
You said the law given to the Israelites was to guide them until Jesus came! Who were the people outside Israel awaiting?
Jonah's people sure had laws too! Who gave them those laws?

If you want to learn just calm down, Jonah was an Israelite so his people had God's laws!

AntiChristian:
Wasn't there a genocidal revenge in Numbers 31 and 1 Samuel 15:3, a command from your Jehovah?

So Muslims were commanded by your Allah to go and slaughter their fellow worshipers shey?

AntiChristian:
Which laws was given to the people of Jonah or are they Israelites too?

What has that got to do with the case at hand?

Explore2xmore:
Of course the Quran is a perfect source of ultimate guidance yet muslims who are humans are not infallible and may fall short in fully embodying the teachings of the Quran at all times. Life is one of continuous learning, self reflection and adherence in order to improve self. This is what jihad is about. Continuous striving to be better.

The books of 2 Samuel and 1 Chronicles mention respectively God and Satan telling David to number Israel which is correct or is this a subtle equation of the two? Can it be overlooked as human error?

So if Muslims kill Muslims it due to fallibility but when others kill Muslims your people will pick up weapons to revenge!

Billionaires do attend meetings with Jehovah's Witnesses and also go out preaching from house to house but they have simplified their lifestyles so you can't even know they are billionaires!

Ken4Christ:
Answer this question. Which gospel do you preach?

Until you mention the name of your Church!

Ken4Christ:
MaxinDHouse is avoiding this thread.

Why do you think i should waste my precious time with you?
If you truly wants to talk about churches start another thread or change the topic of this one and mention the name of your church so that everyone can compare what your church teaches with that of Jehovah's Witnesses and the benefits there off.

Jesus said:

"By their FRUITS you will know them" Matthew 7:16

So pointing accusing finger at a religion while you keep hiding yours is really funny.

In line with what Jesus Christ commanded his disciples at Matthew 10:16 a neutral person said after considering manner of approach:

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

Do you want me to also quote what he said about you or you'll do so yourself?

Christianity is not about pointing accusing finger at other religions but presenting what you have to convince your audience that they need to become disciples of Christ Jesus. Act 26:24-28

Thanks for your time!

StillDtruth:
I try ooo and i know since the op was not like that idiot middledietomention, i held on to my anger and i did not even insalt him only pointed out that he was speaking like a mad person and obviously reading the bible backwards or something. Imagine him saying ziporrah Moses first wife was sent away.., Ziporrah left egypt because Moses killed someone, and the first wife was present at the scene and the news spreads, so Ziporrah went with Moses 2 Sons to Midian ...its not a divorce issue, its a mutual consent decision between Moses and Ziporrah
He must be reading the new mad people's bible!

It's not easy to be a Christian because you will encounter many who are using the Bible to justify the evil they are doing or intending to do but once we see such ones there's no need to argue with them {Titus 3:9} we only make it clear to them that they are not on the same page with us {2Corinthians 11:12} their God differs from our God {Matthew 12:46-50} then you will see them agitating because they know in their hearts that we are true ministers of God and they won't like us to separate from them.
You will notice that the two of them including the Muslim stopped mentioning me because they don't know how to refute the indisputable truth so they concentrate on you to justify themselves that you being abusive is wrong but the main issue they are avoiding like a plague!

StillDtruth:
Thanks for putting in a good word.

It's OK my guy i know from your comments that you're not a wicked soul you just can't stand what you know is not right so try to be more calm and you won't need harsh word rather you will gently, subtly and calmly SILENCE THE ENEMIES OF TRUTH! Isaiah 54:17

StillDtruth:
Is the bible "new" that we should use new shit?
You are talking absolute rubbish. Every thing .and Lie you.laid was pointed out and rebutted

Most Bible readers don't meditate on what they are reading they just conclude that once servants of God in ancient times does something and it's approved by God then it's OK for Christians to do the same.

Did Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph and many other servants of God have SLAVES in Bible times?

YES!

Did God multiply their possessions including their SLAVES?

YES!

So is it scripturally approved for CHRISTIANS to enslave their fellowman today?

The answer is obvious! Matthew 7:12

If you won't find it easy to be slaves to someone why do you think it's OK for you to enslave your fellow man?

According to God's word Jesus didn't teach us laws based on written codes rather he wrote his own laws in our hearts in a WONDERFUL way to instil the fear of God! Jeremiah 31:33-34

Someone may insist that the Bible never said something but then let them welcome it when the table turns to their side!

MiddleDimension:
It seems you are new to this guy. I know him.

Surely StillDtruth is hot tempered and harsh in his approach but when you choose to be WICKED God can read through your heart. Jeremiah 17:9

Polygamy is CRIME against humanity that's the truth and there is no way you can brandish it a conscientious person will always tell you that it is evil.

That's why all of you frowned at it when i asked how you will feel if your mum, daughter or sister is treated like that instead of you to surrender wholeheartedly knowing fully well that there is no excuse you can give to support another who is getting a rival for either your mum, sister or daughter you wanted to attack me as if the question is WICKED.

Well Jesus said:

“All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must do to them. This, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean" Matthew 7:12

So if you're irritated when your mum, sister or daughter is to be judged due to her flaws so that a man should marry a second wife as rival for her {Leviticus 18:18} then know today that it's evil when you are supporting such against the daughter, sister or mother of your fellow man!

Zaheertyler:
Lol..this my oga ehh

How do you RECOGNIZE those whose teaching is true?
Jesus said a lot about IDENTIFYING them but it's a pity that most preachers will simply say to their audience:

"Go to a Bible believing Church"

Which of these sects today is not a Bible believing Church?

Lucifyre:
You who made all the investigations and still turned up empty without a single shred of proof. An unfunny joke.

All what you want is for God to appear to you in person but that's not the result intelligent people are seeking.

People often do autopsy on the carcass of the dead to ASCERTAIN what happened when nobody is there to see and through the autopsy they are able to know exactly what happened.

So if you're not ready for thorough investigation apart from insisting on seeing God it's OK others are still on the investigation!

Meanwhile you've not spoken about the God you believe or worship!

Lucifyre:
I'm not even an atheist.

Explore2xmore:
You jumped to make a conclusion in error.
The Quran is indeed not a history book in the conventional sense. It is the divine revelation to serve as a guidance for all of humanity. While it contains historical events and stories of past nations, its primary purpose is to provide guidance, wisdom, and regulations for all aspects of life.
The Quran serves as a source of spiritual guidance, ethical principles, and laws for Muslims to follow. It is a timeless book that addresses the fundamental questions of existence and provides a framework for living a righteous life.
I trust it in this.
Can you state that there aren't contrasting reports in the Bible?

The highlighted really amuses me because there are Muslims in most places yet in the face of tribal and political conflicts they throw away their Quran just like Kids will do when tempted with food. So how do you expect others who don't know anything about your Allah to feel when they see Muslims fighting and killing fellow Muslims despite all what you typed in the highlighted?

The Bible was written by humans who were directed by God's Holy Spirit to help them remember what supposed to be recorded for our use !

jaephoenix:
I have tried to engage you civilly but you went rogue. So no need

Are you sure of what you just typed or you're talking about my engagement with someone else?

Well these are sincere comments from people who have engaged me in the past:

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

Questionnaires:
I want to.
You can let me know.

Questionnaires:
You Are One of The Smartest Christians on Nairaland and in Nigeria At Large.

CJStarz:
Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.
But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

Mayflowa:
Wow! See Bible scholars! So impressive!

naturefellow:
Amazing! Thanks for the input. Knowledge added reading it.

But still i am ever ready if you won't become aggressive with your responses!

Explore2xmore:
I don't hold the view of the Quran being a full historic reference. Indeed it is not that.

The Bible is historically accurate!

So if you don't trust your Quran i trust my Bible with all my heart!

Explore2xmore:
We should quit the discussion even though you are wrong in concluding I totally don't believe in all the Bible says. In any case Gen 11:1-9 refers to uniformity of language but Gen 10:6-20 refers to more than one place even if close. Another bother is Gen 11:5 which says God came down to see what they were building; does it mean God could not see without coming down?

You won't welcome any explanation as long as it doesn't fit in to what your Quran says about your Allah.
So let's leave the matter!

jaephoenix:
He knows he won't win, if he debates with me. Two of us have a long history.
Also he forgot you were arguing with StillDtruth and some other guy, before he butted in. Imagine if u had told him off, that the argument doesn't concern him
That’s why i call him hypocrite

Your aggression makes you unfit for honest discussions.

This is how i started engaging richmond:

richmond500:
Atheist are not bad people, they are just different in thinking.

From his comment i see the sincerity so i decide to take him up even though he said a lot of irritating things but i kept on being friendly with him because i have seen something different in him.

So try to do your INVESTIGATIONS it's wrong always accusing people when you don't even know what really happened. It's richmond who first mentioned me and not the other way around!

Explore2xmore:
The Bible in Genesis 10:6-20 mentions in relation to Nimrod places like Babel (Babylon), Erech, Accad, and Calneh in the land of Shinar. It further mentions that from this land, he went to Assyria and built several cities including Nineveh, Rehoboth-Ir, Calah, and Resen. The omission of Ur from the list indicates that while it was an important city in ancient times, it did not fall under Nimrod’s dominion as outlined in these verses.
Places to which idolaters fled or were exiled to in biblical times did not include Arabia. Key passages that discuss exile include 2 Kings 17:6-23, and Jeremiah 29 which details the fall of Israel to Assyria and mentions the deportation of Israelites due to their idolatrous practices and the Babylonian exile. There is no direct reference to Arabia as a place where idolaters fled.
It however seems you were trying to go somewhere with your claim that Mecca is where pagans so to speak were driven. Your bible says very much otherwise!

The problem we will both have on this matter is that you don't believe in the Bible and i don't believe in the Quran so it's better we leave it at that because the Bible made it clear that all humans were living in the same place before God confused their language but since your Quran is against that there is no way we can agree.

Thanks for your time!

richmond500:
I'm tired of the questions.
To be frank with u, I am Atheist, I really do not believe or care about the qualities of God tbh.
The only thing I could afford to discuss is someone telling me God exists, as for what I think a God should be... Omo I do not care

I really appreciate your honesty.

That's why i always quote that verse whenever i come in contact with anyone who claims he is an atheist because i'm 100% certain that most people don't really do a thorough investigation they just summed up after hearing some things from different sects claiming Christians and base their conclusion on what those people say.

The Bible God is the one and only true God but since you don't want to investigate further let me tell you how i come to that conclusion.

All humans were born atheists as in we don't know nor believe in any God at birth that's why the Bible said the child in his mother's womb is also a sinner {Psalms 51:5} so it's after we begin to grow up that each person starts to make his or her INVESTIGATIONS on:
• How did life begin?
• Why do innocent people suffer?
• Did God really care about us?
• If He does what is He doing to solve our problems?
• If everyone wants peace why wars everywhere?
• What is God's viewpoint of wars?

Whoever hasn't made INVESTIGATIONS on this topics is just deceiving himself!

richmond500:
it's a topic for discussion.
As long as we don't insult, everyone can voice opinion, agree or disagree

I only discuss with one person at a time but if you're scared i will take my leave.

Where we stopped is QUALITIES a real God should possess before we can think of serving him/her/it do you still want to continue with the investigation?

jaephoenix:
Since he's invisible, then how do you know he exists?

Please calm down this is between Richmond and me i want to believe that he's not a kid so let the two of us discuss since he has told me the QUALITIES he will like to see in the real God.

Thanks for your time.

jaephoenix:
Only you call it wisdom. There are thousands and one daft posts in that bible

WISDOM is the PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF ACCUMULATED INFORMATION FOR BENEFITS.

Of course millions are benefitting themselves today so it's you who can't see it!

Lucifyre:
Wouldn't change the fact that even if they investigate from now till another 5000 yrs they'll never come up with objective and empirical proof. Subjective conclusions and anecdotes without substance nor based on reality would forever be the outcome, dividing the so called investigators even those who offshoot from the same branch across numerous lines. Nonsensical chaos that's fun to watch, as it was from the very onset.

You never made any investigation nah so leave matter for Matthias!

lawani:
Who died for you?.

As Americans, there are people who died for the nation against Britain while fighting for independence and during the civil war and subsequent military engagements around the world. We know those who died for the IJESA nation throughout the centuries of existence of the nation. Fejeboju war, Kiriji war and etc. Those who died for the Yoruba nation willingly in Nigeria include people like Colonel Adekunle Fajuyi, Colonel Victor Banjo and thousands of others during the civil war and after the state murder of Bashorun Abiola. It is an attack on the spirits of the true heroes to say Jesus Christ died for Americans, the IJESA or the Yoruba as a whole when we know those who actually died. Making the statement about Jesus Christ in public should not be encouraged in any nation.

Political racist!

Lucifyre:
Last i checked, don't remember speaking for anyone save for myself.

Good!

So you have nothing to do with this case about speaking for God it's still a fresh case in many places and minds of billions around you!

richmond500:
Oh, I get u now.
It's fine if you believe that a God exists, u just aren't sure of which God is the true God.
I only have problem with those that wants to shoke me with their God

You don't have to feel choked my guy just be yourself and feel relaxed everyone has a right to whatever they choose to believe (trust) but it's when someone's comments is proving true that i become uncomfortable whether he is an atheist, agnostic, traditionalist, buddhists, hindu, judaist or muslims.
So far they can't make any sense i am cool with my own beliefs!

Lucifyre:
Lol! What investigation?! For a case that's closed and the folder's already collecting dust on the shelf.

If a case is truly closed billions out there won't be rendering sacred service to God/Gods so it's you that have reached your limit when talking about how far you can go with your investigation!