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Floww23:
If they die, they won't influence anyone
Your publications said they didn't die, they are mentally Ill, and if that's the pool you choose leader's from , Doesn't that show that Some or all of them are mentally ill? Will God use mentally ill people to lead his people? Doesn't that explains the mistakes.

What do you think was making those in the first century to eat what they aren't supposed to eat?
Sane mind?
Ọmọ angels were killing them back then because they were insane.🙂

Floww23:
No which love ?
See the attached screenshot, it's JW's literally confessing that there is lack of love in the congregation and most ar changing Congregation to find peace, Toxicity. So which love exactly are you talking about ? Is it because your members ar not allowed to come to social media and share their toxic experiences? Everything is covered up in the name of don't taint the organisation image. This is a F00lish point from you sorry, Still doesn't answer me : Where is the evidence that they ar chosen? Show me from Bible .

Now it's evident you don't know how love works so i will enlighten you.
Love doesn't mean imperfect humans will become perfect that's why there was grudges among believers like Euodia and Syntyche in the first century! Philippians 4:2
So what is the evidence of LOVE?
Two persons may have grudges among them due to imperfection but it can't lead to war because either side can never ever have supporters to that extent. For your information the wars that's leading people into killing people erupted between just two people who refuse to settle their disparities peacefully among themselves that can never ever happen where love reigns because neither side will help anyone to support them against brothers and sisters in Christ.
Do you get it now?🙂

Floww23:
Do we agree that some of those eating emblems from which you choose your leaders are Mentally Ill? With the regular mistakes showing they are not sound in mind, and the fAct we can't prove they are Chosen, everything you said here is dust

OK don't worry yourself further take it easy!😀

jojothaiv:
You're right!

Don't think i was born a JW no i was born and raised a Muslim but Jehovah keeps searching for His lost sheep that is why He called me out of my family to join His wonderful people.
So i can boldly tell you that throughout this planet you can never ever find a better performing group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.
Please ask any of these people here to mention the name of their church.

Do you know why they can't?

Well it's because they know that there is none that's truly proving dedicated worshipers like Jehovah's Witnesses so what they are doing here now is to throw tantrums against God's people.
🙂

jojothaiv:
Alright!..
Oh! It's now a contest, that's great. Anyway, may everybody find whatever they are looking for then.

Ọmọ people left Jesus in the first century and claimed he was mad {John 10:20} even some said he was teaching heresy. John 6:63-66

But do you care to know what keeps his twelve apostles standing?

Well let me quote Peter for you:

“Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life. We have believed and have come to know that you are the Holy One of God.” John 6:68-69

So i am 100% sure that you can never ever mention any better performing group besides Jehovah's Witnesses because you can't find one!🙂

Floww23:
When the number of anointed started to grow in your religion, your publications said some of those eating the Emblems are Mentally ill. Can God choose mentally ill people that make mistake to lead his people? You guys are not asking if some or all of those on your GB are part of this mentally ill?

When it occurred in the first century Paul told our brothers in Corinth that those dying in large numbers is due to eating the emblem unworthily! 1Corinthans 11:27-30
Does that mean the Apostles and Elders who taught them about eating the emblem were not God's servants?

Floww23:
What evidence do you have that they are chosen? In the case of Moses and the rest, they perform miracles, which evidence convince you that this men making mistakes are chosen?

Good question!
God promised to use a group of men known as SPIRITUAL JEWS to gather obedient humans throughout the earth {Zechariah 8:23} and make them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses have successfully achieved that so the fruit of Christianity that Jesus said we should look out for has been evident in the works of this men! Matthew 7:16-18

Do you know of any religion as in any you can think of that had helped their members globally to become so peaceful to the extent that they love their fellow believers as if something is tying them together like glue? John 13:34-35

Ọmọ there is enough evidence unless you don't believe in what Jesus said about his chosen brothers and what they will achieve during the last days.

As regards their errors the Bible has foretold that during that time the sun will not give it's light by day neither the moon by night {Joel 2:31} so what will help faithful people during that time?

God's word answered:

Before the decree takes effect, Before the day passes by like chaff, Before the burning anger of Jehovah comes upon you, Before the day of Jehovah’s anger comes upon you, Seek Jehovah, all you meek ones of the earth, Who observe his righteous decrees. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you will be concealed on the day of Jehovah’s anger. Zephaniah 2:2-3

So any arrogant person can't be saved because you will continue to question their authority but the wise ones who can see like EAGLES will gather around the Governing BODY! Luke 17:37🙂

Floww23:
The former view of your Religion on blood was an error, how can you trust the new view? Can God sponsor falsehood? If God cannot sponsor falsehood, does that mean the GB only make things up?

When God choose someone or a group to lead His people whatever mistakes they make will be corrected in due time but whoever opposes them is on his or her own.
That's God's standard from ages past.
So if you feel faith in God is too costly for you no one is forcing you to have faith!🙂

jaxxy:
Who exported his brother to thw white man as slaves?

You dey mind this funny people?

If not our own people can the white man come alone and start picking them in their homes?😀

jaxxy:
U are only decieving urself, king jaja of opobo was only an exception and a peculiar case. thousands of other African slaves were not so lucky. Every culture had slaves is exactly what I said but only one exported his brothers to the white man. U can deny collusion all u like that that is the historical fact.

Do our ancestors have slaves before the white people came to Africa?

YES!

And who are those they were using as slaves back then?

THEIR OWN BLACK BROTHERS!

So what are we saying?🙂

You can never ever find a better group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that's why none of you can mention the name of any church because you know that the JWs you left are performing better than all of them when it comes to Faith in action!🙂

jojothaiv:
(I didn't mention churches for reason best known to me)

2mch:
Any loony can claim anything.

So why must i follow whatever anyone says simply because such a person claims he knows science?🙂

If you are not ready to reason without arguing aimlessly go and do your job after all you have rested your case more than four times on this thread:

Eldeedon:
I rest my case

Only for you to come back quoting me as if i took your bread!🙂

Eldeedon:
How did I condemn your religion?
What we are discussing here is about the update, so how is that condemnation?
I'm i the Governing body that that decides to change their doctrine?

Ọmọ there were times on this same planet when the so called scientists claimed animal poop is good for ointment to heal wounds back then only true worshipers of God (Israel rejected the idea so the same is happening today!🙂

2mch:
Can you present one Abrahamic religion they use blood to treat people? Can you also present one Abrahamic and African religion where they say it is banned? No Christian, Islam or Jew bans the use of science to heal. Except a cult sect within Christianity who now says it’s ok. By the way Science is different from religion.

Eldeedon:
Guy is very obvious you don't know what you are saying or what you are arguing about! I only ask you to explain what you mean by your statement "our god" and you haven't said anything meaningful since, rather you're busy beating round the bush! Guy if you are jobless, which i know most of you are, I'm not! I have more important things to do, rather than coming here dragging things around with you.

You have been condemning my religion since and i said you shouldn't worry it's simply because my God and your God differ yet you are this worried.

Would you have asked those questions if it's a Muslim or traditionalist or Hindu or Buddhist or Judaist that said this to you?

Ọmọ i'm not the cause of your frustration my God differ from yours that's why we can't agree on terms and conditions regarding faith in God!🙂

From what you have said so far you were never a Christian at any point in time but since you don't even believe the Bible again please leave that book and let us reason OUTSIDE the Bible.

Are you ready?

CaseSensitive:
Talk about cherrypicking, which part of "I was born into a Christian family, attended church every single Sunday right from when I was only a few weeks old until I was approaching age 20" did you miss? Is basic comprehension now a problem too?

Going on about cherrypicking, I put forward some arguments, you're only picking the ones you want to respond to. I hinted that, if a book is going to serve as my spiritual guide, it should at least stand up to scrutiny rather than blindly following like a lost dummy.

I explicitly mentioned that I'd prefer to reason christianity and by extension, the bible logically, you evaded that and went on to quote redundant Bible verses. Essentially you failed the first basic test of logical reasoning. Christianity (Or Jehovah witness) specifically is meant for people like you. Sit down my friend.

jaxxy:
Go and read ur history well, African Kings went to Portugal to sell their fellow black man as slave to have guns to fight against their oppositions over land and kingship. The white cannot come a enslave u without collusion from ur fellow black man..

They don't know their own history it's always blaming the white for what their own brothers are doing to them.
If they don't believe there were times when their kings sold their fellow blacks as slaves to white people only to get a mirror how can they comprehend what is happening today?
Are the white people the ones taking their country's riches abroad now?😟

CaseSensitive:
I know your type. Bugger off.

Instead of cherry picking what you like just come out openly and say you don't believe the Bible.
I can take you from there it's not just about quoting the Bible Christianity is to help everyone so if you don't believe the Bible i will not quote it for you again then we can go for LOGICAL REASONING! 🙂

CaseSensitive:
You're implying that "God" intended political and tribal chaos. You're also implying that true Christianity must exist as one visible, unified global organisation when in fact, Many christians (maybe not in Nigeria) believe that unity is spiritual and not institutional.

First of all God never intended political and tribal chaos that's man's doing.
Secondly Christianity supposed to be just one global group having the same teaching everywhere they are. John 17:22
So don't think all these religions claiming Christians belong to the true God in fact due to the atrocities they've committed in that group name the true God has given His own worshipers another group name today that's why you have JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES {Isaiah 65:15} fulfilling all the things God promised that His worshipers will do in the end time! Isaiah 2:2-4🙂

OK thank you!🙂

Negroid001:
I don finish baba. You have nothing to say. Gettat!

CaseSensitive:
You said there's one purpose for which faith in Christ was established, do you mind telling me this purpose?

When God used the confusion about language to scatter people in Babel {Genesis 11:6-9} He knew it will lead to more chaos because ambitious people who wants to rule over their neighbors will seize the opportunity of language to create barriers as they use tribalism to draw followers behind them.
So God later promised to gather loyal and obedient humans from all the nations under the heavens and make them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

The person who will teach mankind how to achieve this is the Christ that is why he is rightly called the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} his teachings will make it possible for faithful people from all nations to become like brothers and sisters under his school of thought. Matthew 28:19-20

The formation of this global family will serve as WITNESS that the Prince of Peace has played his own part in getting obedient humans ready for their salvation. Act 1:8

So by the time Satan and his countless demons is ousted from heaven {Revelation 12:7-12} the earth will no longer know peace because they will possess billions of people turning them to killers of their neighbors {Revelation 6:3-4} but the United family of peace loving worshipers under Christ will have used what Jesus taught them to blot out hatred for their neighbors from their hearts {Matthew 5:43-48} so they will love their neighbors as they love themselves {Mark 12:31} and have love for their fellow worshipers just as Jesus was ready to die for the love of his followers. That is what will serve as identifying mark of obedient humans who are loyal followers of Christ! John 13:34-35

Today only one religious group meet up with this task globally known today as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that's why all the rest are always seeking ways to speak against this one group for their unwavering faith. Matthew 5:11-12

So if any religion is claiming Christians today but failed to meet up with this task Jesus said those organizing them are false! Matthew 7:15-20

Thanks for your time!

So you don't even know what you are saying regarding religion and scam shey?😟

Negroid001:
Like how many of you have kpai because of ignorance.
And how you jump to conclusions on things not found in the bible.
Charles Taze Russell Breakaways

cornelboy:
This questions go hard to answe o

He never knew that Jesus himself is the first to become a born again by getting baptized in water and spirit the same day! Matthew 3:16
So he wanted to fabricate his own as he thought the thief Jesus promised Paradise is also born again!😀

iamL:
Normally.
And you guys should stop replying them there's no need. I mentioned him because I met him here as a brother and this will be the last.
Ignore them completely.

Is that the right thing to do?
Well since we are not in the field but on social media where many gullible people could easily pick things without investigating.
That is why Jesus often respond to faithless people he wasn't interested in winning them over but for the sake of sincere observers who may think these faithless people are making sense.

JEHOVAH said:

"No weapon formed against you will have any success, And you will condemn any tongue that rises up against you in the judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of Jehovah, And their righteousness is from me,” Isaiah 54:17

The highlighted in red is what i strongly believe.

However thanks brother!🙂

If you don't study the Bible there is no way you can understand what Christianity is all about.

The Bible God made a promise about Christianity right in the garden of Eden after the fall of Adam and throughout the Bible God continued to remind His loyal worshipers that He will bring this lasting solution for the salvation of mankind.

There is one purpose for which faith in Christ was established so if you don't know that purpose of course any religion claiming Christians will be so to you that's why you need to STUDY not just read the Bible! Proverbs 2:1-5

CaseSensitive:
Of course it's a matter of perspective, and you're right - christianity came to them too because Ethiopia before Christianity believed in many gods which is tied nature and ancestors but I'd still regard them as a christian nation in a contemporary sense. Even in the Bible, in the Acts of Apostles, an Ethiopian official is baptized by Philip the Evangelist, so that suggests christianity probably reached their region before it even became official. So yes christianity came to them too, it just depends on how far back you want go. Christianity in Nigeria on the other hand is nothing like the Orthodox christianity in terms of doctrine. The version of christianity in Nigeria is European version and when they came to spread it, they didn't have good intentions. The religion is a clown show nowadays in Nigeria (I mean it has always been a clown show). People don't think. They've outsourced critical thinking skills to Jesus and the bible.

Negroid001:
Don't change topic. You know what I'm talking about.

Honesty speaking i don't know o!

You said all these religions are scam.

Which means there is nothing serious to take home from all of them but now you are saying one is teaching heresy still.

Ọmọ does scamming have anything good at all to give you?😟

2mch:
At least our traditional religions are not this strange with constant death wish.

Can you present just one African religion where they use blood to treat sick people?🙂

MetalJigsaw:
He won't answer 😂

You already said i'm a follower of the deceiver nah so present the gathering of those who aren't following the deceiver then i can see the difference!🙂

Eldeedon:
Why do you keep ignoring my questions and expecting me to indulge you... nah! Can't happen

If you can't prove anything other than arguing on what is written in books i think you and i aren't on the same page.

As one of Jehovah's Witnesses i can sit an atheist who doesn't believe in any God or books and convince him or her why i believe in the Bible God so i won't start quoting the book but reason logically with him.

See examples of what i'm saying:

DoctorAyukebot:
You know your scriptures

Mayflowa:
Wow! See Bible scholars! So impressive!

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

IykeSent:
This is a deep and insightful explanation of Hebrews 1:5, showing how Jesus is uniquely God's Son not just another angel. I especially liked the connection to the temple and the idea of spiritual sonship through being “born again.God bless you for this

Questionnaires:
You Are One of The Smartest Christians on Nairaland and in Nigeria At Large.

Tayorshd87:
Awesome input 💯
That's true logically

Kingsempires:
I know you and I don't agree on the same Christian doctrine but I grab point in some of your preaching
I learned something on this your comment

Kingsempires:
wow I love this your statement 🙂🙏

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

CJStarz:
Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.
But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

naturefellow:
Amazing! Thanks for the input. Knowledge added reading it.

Treborblue:
Wow insightful thanks very much

shinaola21:
Perfectly said bro 💯

JimRohn:
Do you really consider DeepSight to be on the same intellectual level as MaxInDHouse or some of the other individuals I engage with here?

Because frankly, MaxInDHouse is among the most intelligent contributors on Nairaland. In contrast, DeepSight does not even qualify for consideration when I rate people based on intellect.

That is precisely why I refuse to bring myself down to his level — instead, I choose to engage with those whose reasoning and arguments are worth my time.

Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

RavinWolf:
I never saw a better response. Thank you. 100% correct!

Roycemadeit:
Yes, you have silenced me, with facts, of course. You can define knowingness; now try defining belief and faith, and show me how they connect to reality...

These people are from different schools of thought ranging from atheists to agnostics, traditionalists and Churchians.

So if all you can do is rely solely on what is written in that book without being able to reason logically to convince others why they should believe the Bible it's clear you and i aren't on the same page!🙂

Eldeedon:
Exactly!!
So, based on what you said here, since you know there gods.. which of them are you serving? And from your analysis which of them do you think I'm serving since you have said me and you are serving different gods!!
Please I'm waiting

It's not my duty to tell you which God you are serving my own duty is to tell you whether mine and yours are same.

From what we've discussed so far on this thread i know that your God differ from mine but you can call yours whatever pleases you!🙂

If you're not deceiving yourself please present an accurate number of those that have died because they rejected blood transfusion and that of those who survived without blood transfusion.
God bless you as you do so!🙂

cuteeme:
You are a deceiver and i don't think anyone on this thread should take you too seriously. I know i would find your type here. Ready to defend nonsense for image sake. So all these is in your new world order book yet, many of your faithfuls die like r@ts over the decade when it comes to transfusion of any kind. So they did not read the bible the way you read it that they can draw their own blood and use it later? Continue. Me and many others won't fall for your cheap manipulative tactics.

cuteeme:
So why waiting for people to die to the extent there is a wide cry, before your leaders can come up with this policy? Were they sleeping before?

Can you present the statistics regarding those who died due to refusal of blood transfusion and those who survived without blood transfusion?🙂

Can you mention the church where the followers aren't following the deceiver.

MetalJigsaw:
Oga You're not a Christian but a follower of the deceiver.
BTW,
Who gives eternal life?
lets see if he answers🤔

FxMasterz:
By hearing the Word of God and believing it to the extent of confessing Jesus as your Lord, you're born of the Water and Spirit of the Word. The thief called Jesus Lord. He confessed Him as Lord. And that's why he was assured of paradise.

Where is it written in the Bible that it's eating and confessing Jesus as Lord is equal to being Born of Water and Spirit?

FxMasterz:
.See, they're interspersed.
Water represents both the Word of God and Water Baptism
Spirit also represents both the Word of God and the Holy Spirit.

Which one is WATER and which one is SPIRIT?
Also how can someone be born of WATER and SPIRIT?
And how was the THIEF born of WATER and SPIRIT that day?🙂