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Heresy:

A doctrine held by a member of a religion at variance or conflict with established religious beliefs.

When Jesus started teaching people what contradicts established religious beliefs in the first century all the groups in the Jewish community viewed his teachings as HERESY!

So HERESY can't be scripturally resolved as there are tens of thousands different religions claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines today!🙂

Emusan:
Jehovah Witness are over 100 years in Nigeria with about 400k members yet most churches that spring up years after them have more members than them, this is the beginning of the agony.

What is the name of your own church?

Jesus gathered QUALITY not QUANTITY people who don't allow materialism {Matthew 6:19-21} overwhelm their love for what he commanded them {Matthew 28:19-20} when Jehovah's Witnesses tell you their number it's about those preaching and teaching from house to house and door to door just as Jesus commanded his disciples to go out and do not just counting numbers when only the pastor is the preacher.
So tell us the name of your own church where all members are known as preachers and teachers of God's word in your neighborhood!🙂

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
You cite John 13:34, 35 as proof that only Jehovah's Witnesses are true disciples. Yet Jesus did not say, "You will know them by the name of their organization." He said they would be recognized by their love.

Now you are showing your true color because only Jehovah's Witnesses have that quality among them! John 13:34-35
Perhaps you don't know how love works but i will show you!
The work of love is to help people from different nations throughout the earth see themselves as ONE {John 17:22} so that all other people will know and say it! John 13:34-35
Have you watched how people do see Jehovah's Witnesses as if we are indivisible?🙂

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
You also cite Matthew 7:16 to 18. In that passage, Jesus said people would be known by their fruits. The fruits include conduct, righteousness, obedience to GOD, and faithfulness to CHRIST.

Obviously you don't know what FRUIT means in that verse so calm down and read. [b]There is a specific fruit which Christianity is expected to produce each religion like a has its own and that fruit is what inhabitants of Antioch saw before they called Jesus' disciples "CHRISTIANS" it has to do with how Jesus and his disciples were going from house to house and door to door to make people who listen to them their members so just as people always view anyone listening to Jesus and his disciples back then as part of them the same is happening today once anyone is studying the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses and such a person refused to succumb to threats or ridicule people use to treat such ones as they would treat Jehovah's Witnesses!

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
Regarding your challenge to name a church, truth is not determined by denominational labels. When Paul addressed divisions among believers, he asked: "Is the Christ divided?" (1 Corinthians 1:12, 13). The focus of the apostles was on allegiance to CHRIST, not on proving that one modern denomination exclusively fulfills every prophecy.

Paul wrote a letter to an ORGANIZED PEOPLE not different religions claiming Christians today. That is why he could say they should have the same line of thought! 1Corinthans 1:10 compare to John 17:22🙂

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
So the real question is not, "What church do you belong to?" The real question is, "Does what is being taught agree with the whole counsel of Scripture concerning GOD, CHRIST, salvation, and Christian conduct?"

GOD and CHRIST has just one purpose in the gathering of true believers which is ONENESS {John 17:22} so different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are not members of the same faith! Romans 16:17; 2John 10-11

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
Every claim, including the claims of Jehovah's Witnesses, should be tested by the Scriptures, just as the Bereans carefully examined what they were taught (Acts 17:11).

Good! So what is the name of your own church for everyone to know the claim of your church and test it by the scriptures. Jehovah's Witnesses have achieved their claim as found written in the scriptures! 🙂

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
It is better to keep this discussion anchored in Scripture rather than labels or assumptions about people.

You noticed how this person mentioned the name of an organization!

achorladey:
Hope you know you are dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses.

But now they are all silent because i've insisted on telling them to mention the name of their own church instead of arguing as anonymous religionists claiming Christians!😂

Explore2xmore:
Matthew 5:5 and John 14:1–3 show an earthly inheritance and a heavenly promise, but neither passage explicitly divides believers into two permanent classes.

Both statements protrudes from the mouth of the same person: Jesus.

So he told first century Jewish disciples saying:

“And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those too I must bring in, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd." John 10:16

What he always tell his Jewish disciples is that he has no business with gentiles {Matthew 15:24} and that is because it's his Jewish disciples that must go and preach to gentiles {Matthew 28:19-20} so his first set of disciples are to be chosen as his corulers in heaven while the rest are to enjoy everlasting life on planet earth {Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:29} after all evildoers has been removed from the planet! Psalms 37:7-11; Proverbs 2:20-22

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
Truth is not established by the name of a religious group, but by whether its teachings agree with Scripture.

Good!
So mention the name of your own church with your teachings then we will check out the scriptures to see if your church is working in line with what you people point to in the Bible as evidence of your faith in Christ.

In the first century what the Christians used as evidence of their authenticity is not the name of Jesus but how they are fulfilling what the scriptures say.

If each religion is to argue using scriptures no disciple of Jesus in the first century can stand the Pharisees but then only the Christians are fulfilling what the scriptures said about the Christ and those who are working with him! Act 2:17 compare to Joel 2:28

What Jesus said about his true disciples in our time is that they will have love, joy and peace permeating their gathering! John 13:34-35; 14:26-27; Matthew 5:11-12

Only Jehovah's Witnesses fulfilled this prophecy today but if you disagree oya mention the name of your own church and tell me how you people are fulfilling what Jesus said about the FRUIT of faith among his disciples in the end time! Matthew 7:16-18🙂

Explore2xmore:
I have no issue with Christians teaching. Matthew 28:19–20 clearly commands that. The problem is that the verse never says one particular organization has exclusive authority to interpret Scripture. Teaching is in the text; a monopoly on understanding is not.

Stop kidding!
If God mention the name of any group all Abrahamic religions will claim such a name so it's by their FRUITS you will know not organization name!🙂

Explore2xmore:
And if the goal is truly Revisiting Scripture for Better Understanding, then every interpretation must remain open to examination by Scripture itself. Saying you must first accept our organization to understand the text puts the conclusion before the evidence.

No one says you must accept what you don't understand but then if it's not what you are brought up with you must humbly ask questions not implying your own meaning as you are trying doing now!🙂

Explore2xmore:
The real question is still the one being debated; where do the cited passages explicitly teach two eternal classes of believers with separate destinies?

I have answered your question that Jesus teaches everlasting life on planet earth {Matthew 5:5} and also some believers are going with him to heaven! John 14:1-3
Instead of you to think and ask why are all those arguing with you on other threads about religion disappeared you want to start arguing in their behalf!🙂

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
Truth is not determined by who speaks up the most loudly or by which group appears most confident.

Stop deceiving yourself!🙂

This is what the Bible says about what you want to argue about:

When Jesus finished these sayings, the effect was that the crowds were astounded at his way of teaching, for he was teaching them as a person having authority, and not as their scribes. Matthew 7:28-29

Jesus is the Way Truth and Life {John 14:6} so those trained by him will speak so boldly and confidently before false religionists {Act 4:13} that they know God better {Jeremiah 9:24} that is why Jesus called us "light of the world" {Matthew 5:14-16} and no false religionist can stand to refute what we have as proof of true worshipers {Isaiah 54:17} just as Jesus rendered all false religionists in the Jewish community in the first century SILENT! Luke 20:39-40

My guy me i no dey waste time so if you are ready for the truth there is no beating about the bush come out straight and mention the name of your church where true Christianity is being practiced but i know that none of those coming to argue anonymously on your thread can mention any group name besides JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!🙂

Explore2xmore:
From your previous you started going off the subject matter. This following proves this. We are primarily clarifying truth from misconceptions.

My guy the subject matter is what i keep hammering:

"Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding"

That is the topic of your thread so what i keep on telling you is that you cannot understand the Bible unless the true Christians TEACH you:

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” Matthew 28:19:20

Of course even you no matter how any individual read your Quran in Arabic you won't accept the translation from someone who is not a Muslim therefore despite the fact that there is no evidence to prove that Muslims have any goal or purpose to achieve with that book you are just creating another religion that's all but the Bible has given us a purpose for which the books were written so you whose book (Quran) never had any meaningful goal can't understand our book better than those who have made good use of the book to fulfill what the Author promised so my guy stop deceiving yourself!🙂

Explore2xmore:
Political neutrality and nonviolence are admirable principles, but they do not prove a particular interpretation of scripture.

The only reason why we're discussing now is one person: GOD or SUPREME RULER!

So if with all your interpretation you're unable to cohabit peacefully with those you call fellow believers in the same God i'm sorry what is the essence of all your interpretations?

2Timothy 3:5🙂

@ PSTKYLIFELIGHT
You may wish to know why no member of any church has come up to speak up for their church except Jehovah's Witnesses.

Well it may interest you to know that this is the fulfillment of what Jesus said in the Bible book of Luke 23:30

Then they will start saying to the mountains, ‘Fall over us!’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us over!’ Luke 23:30 compare to Revelation 6:16-17

The mountains, hills or rocks are false religions under the control of demons but claiming they are worshipers of the most high God. This is what Hosea said will happen to such religions in the last days:

The high places of Beth-aʹven, the sin of Israel, will be annihilated. Thorns and thistles will grow on their altars. People will say to the mountains, ‘Cover us!’ And to the hills, ‘Fall over us!’ Hosea 10:8

Thorns and thistles has grown on their altars just as Jesus foretold about false religions claiming Christians in our day {Matthew 7:17-16} so they are ashamed to mention the name of their churches.

WHY?

Because at the sight or mention of the group name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES they are terrified and intimidated as the true God in our midst makes us shine brightly {Daniel 12:3 compare to Matthew 5:14-16} to the extent that they have to hide behind ANONYMOUS RELIGIONS but you will see them coming to argue what the scriptures say yet what is the name of the church where they learned these things? They will become silent! Isaiah 54:17😂

Babylon The Great has fallen completely so members of these religions hides the name of their churches whenever they see Christ's real followers:

And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rocks: “Fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” Revelation 6:16-17

Their worthless religions (mountains and rocks) becomes irrelevant at the sight of the mountain of Jehovah (pure worship) Isaiah 2:2

Jehovah's Witnesses, my God will always bless you people for locating me!🙂

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
It is better to keep this discussion anchored in Scripture rather than labels or assumptions about people.

Jehovah's Witnesses are the only group who have deep interest in God's word but if anyone from another religion feel like disputing what i just said ask them to mention the name of their own church instead of arguing without telling us where the argument is coming from!🙂

Explore2xmore:
it does not establish that any particular organization possesses an exclusive monopoly on that insight.

You are talking like a kid!🙂

If the Bible openly says the name of the group or organization that will have monopoly of insight regarding God's sacred writings is "Jehovah's Witnesses" do you think you can see a single Abrahamic religion that won't call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses?😂

Ọmọ use your brain nah!

Only Jehovah's Witnesses don't join in political struggles and military services these two leads to hatred and killing so no matter how hard you study the Bible you can't love your fellow believers heartily something will always lead to hatred and killing among you yet you will continue to claim believers in the same God.

The truth is only Jehovah's Witnesses see the worship arrangement as truth from God all other religions don't, how can you claim you are worshipers of the same God yet those taking the lead among you have no say in helping you people to resolve issues?🙂

Powerbandooo:
You moniker name say it all, not everyone deserves attention they thought they would get

You just took the words out of my mouth jàre. Most people don't want to learn but the funny thing is they want to teach others!🙂

Explore2xmore:
None of the passages you cited explicitly teaches two eternal classes of believers as one heavenly and one earthly.

If everything will be EXPLICITLY STATED do you think anyone could failed to see the whole message as it's written?🙂

Well what God's word foretold is that it won't be explicit that is why majority of people will not understand the message!

When Daniel asked God:
Now as for me, I heard, BUT I COULD NOT UNDERSTAND ; so I said: “O my lord, what will be the outcome of these things?” Daniel 12:8

Note the underlined as Daniel said he couldn't understand this message that are given in symbolic terms then he asked a question and God answered him:

“Go, Daniel, because the words are to be kept secret and sealed up until the time of the end. Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand." Daniel 12:9-10

Do you notice what God said in the highlighted green?
So if the message is EXPLICITLY STATED how could it be difficult for many people to UNDERSTAND?🙂

Well who are the WICKED PEOPLE that are blinded not to get the sense of this messages?

They are people whose hearts are filled with evil thoughts for instance you are claiming Muslim today yet you don't care what exactly could be the reason why Muslims like you will carry weapons to go and kill their fellow Muslims in other countries at the order of a so called ruler whereas all of you claim Allah is your supreme ruler!🙂

The same applies to all these deceivers claiming Christians members of their religion will carry weapons against their own fellow worshipers in other countries and their religious leaders will bless the weapons to go killing their fellow believers yet they all claim their is one supreme ruler over them (God)

Are you people not WICKED as you keep mocking God by hating and killing one another in the name of WAR? Revelation 6:3-4

That is why God told Daniel that only those having INSIGHT will understand His message not WICKED people {Daniel 12:10} whose hearts has been blinded by Satan! 2Corinthians 4:4🙂

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
Therefore, if someone wishes to place Christ among the things that were made, they must explain how Christ could simultaneously belong to the category of things made and yet be the One without whom nothing in that category was made.

Proverbs 8 22-30 says God Almighty created one person who was with Him until the creation of other things! Colossians 1:15-16

That's what exposes your doctrine and there is no verse in the Bible where God call His worshipers "brothers" neither did God has any God above Him! John 20:17🙂

Explore2xmore:
I guess others are watching you and don't have much better to offer regarding the correct interpretation.

I have told you to ask any of them tell us the church teaching them what they are saying.
Ọmọ they are just playing back and forth arguments because they don't know all these things.
God promised to bless all the families of planet earth through Abraham's descendants {Genesis 12:3} so the Christ will be born among Jews {Isaiah 9:6} and he will teach them how to rule with him {Matthew 20:25-28} the first set of Jews to accept this message will be privileged to rule with him {Matthew 19:28} the names of Christ's Apostles will be the foundation of those who are to rule with Christ in heaven {Revelation 21:14} and the number of Christ's corulers will amount to 144,000 {Revelation 14:1} it's after these ones has been fully sealed that those who are to inherit the earth will suffice! Revelation 7:9; 14:6

So from the onset i know where you are driving at but i kept this away from you because i know it will come to this so instead of arguing blindly bring out verses that says all worshipers of God will be in the same place at least you know that Jesus said he will take some people to heaven {John 14:1-3} yet he still say others will inherit the earth! Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:29

Don't expect churchgoers to come and argue this because it's beyond their understanding! Daniel 12:10

What a shame?🥺

But is there any part of the constitution that says those entertaining delusional audience should be arrested?

First of all magicians are using tricks to deceive their audience and they are paid for their jobs.

So i will like to know what part of the constitution says religionists deceiving their followers should be arrested?😟

plesion:
There are ways to think of God according to the letter alone, without the spirit, and there is a way to think of it not from the letter alone, but also from the spirit.

Paul said the spirit matters because it's the spirit that confirms you understand what the letter says. 2Corinthians 3:6

Quoting the scriptures is easy but doing what the scriptures foretold matters so do you know any group of people fulfilling what the scriptures said?

Remember that it's only God's spirit that can make it possible for imperfect humans to achieve what God promised.

The group name "Muslims" means true believers in God so let me see how you will prove to be a real believer in God if you just want to argue blindly!🙂

Explore2xmore:
Jesus is referring to the inclusion of the Gentiles alongside Jewish believers, creating a unified people of God rather than two distinct groups with separate destinies.

To those who will rule with him in the heavens Jesus said regarding their destination:

“Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them." Matthew 5:3

To those who will become subjects of the kingdom of Christ Jesus said:

“Happy are the mild-tempered, since they will inherit the earth." Matthew 5:5

Ọmọ this is Bible o!🙂

Suddenly the title FIRSTBORN lost its meaning when it involves Jesus!🤣

Who told you that a firstborn is not one of those being born?

Please who are the children born after the first born so that the first born shouldn't be part of them?🙂

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
Your conclusion goes far beyond what the text actually says.

First, Proverbs 8 never identifies the speaker as Jesus Christ. The chapter is a poetic personification of wisdom. Wisdom is portrayed as a woman calling out in the streets, building a house, preparing a banquet, and inviting people to dine. If you insist that every detail refers literally to Christ, then consistency would require treating Christ as a female figure who built a house with seven pillars and prepared a banquet. The literary genre itself shows that wisdom is being personified.

Second, even if someone believes Proverbs 8 foreshadows Christ, the passage still does not say that GOD created the Son and then used Him to create everything else. That idea is being imported into the text.

Third, Colossians 1:16 does not say "all other things." It says:

"For by Him all things were created."

The word "other" is absent from the Greek text. It was inserted by some translators because they had already assumed Christ was a creature. If Paul meant "all other things," he knew how to say it. He did not.

Fourth, Paul's argument in Colossians destroys the idea that Christ is part of creation. He says:

"For by Him all things were created... whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities... all things were created through Him and for Him. He is before all things."

If Christ belongs to the category of created things, then Paul's statement becomes self defeating. Christ would have had to create Himself before creating everything else, which is impossible.

Fifth, notice the language Paul uses. He does not merely say Christ existed before other creatures. He says:

"He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together."

Paul presents Christ as standing on the Creator side of the Creator creation distinction. Everything that exists depends on Him for its continued existence.

Finally, the idea that the Father created the Son to keep Him company or make Him happy is not found anywhere in Scripture. That is speculation, not exegesis. The scriptures consistently present the Son as sharing the Father's glory before the world existed (John 17:5), as existing in the form of GOD before His incarnation (Philippians 2:6), and as the One through whom all things came into existence (John 1:3).

The issue is not whether the Son worked with the Father in creation. Christians gladly affirm that. The issue is whether the Son is part of creation. The apostolic writings repeatedly place Him outside the created order as the One through whom all created things came into being.

That is why the scripture says all things were created through Him, for Him, and are sustained by Him. Those are not descriptions of a creature. They are descriptions of One who stands above creation itself.

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
The scripture says that all things were created through HIM and for HIM, that HE is before all things, and that in HIM all things hold together.

The highlighted shows God only has one person with Him for time not specified but that person was God's first born Son that is why God decided to make His Son really happy by creating more things but in this case God gave His Son the privilege to work as His master worker in the creation of all other things! Proverbs 8:22-30

Truthseeker10:
So according to you, Revelation 3:14 does not teach that Jesus is a creature neither does It teach that Jesus is the creator even though the verse claims that Jesus is "the Beginning of God's creation", Yes or no?

Haba!
The beginning of God's creation means God created himself nah!🤣

Explore2xmore:
Revelation never explicitly states that they are two separate classes of believers with different eternal destinies. That conclusion is inferred rather than directly stated.

When gathering his first century Jewish disciples Jesus told them:

John 10:16
I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. ‭NIV

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.‬ KJV

“And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those too I must bring in, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd. NWT


Jesus already told his Jewish disciples in the first century that there is another class of followers who are not part of the first set. To the first set Jesus said:

“Have no fear, little flock, for your Father has approved of giving you the Kingdom (government or rulership)" Luke 12:32

They are LITTLE in the sense that they're to rule with Christ so they are NUMBERED but those that will possess the earth outnumbered them!

I have told you that when it comes to the Bible it belongs strictly to Jehovah's Witnesses so ask any question about what is not clear to you that doesn't mean you are not free to continue with your Islam if that's your choice!🙂

Lovelink1991:
Jesus Christ uses his action to abolish the law but that doesn't mean that the law has been written off. That actions is not a law but Jesus uses that to prove that he can override the law but not write it off. So don't conclude that the in all things such a thing should be kept that way. Mob is angry at the act of a prince of God not the act itself. A teacher of the law is breaking the law.

Are those mob doing the will of God?

Is that what Jesus taught his disciples?

Lovelink1991:
Why are you not standing against the acting that led to the mob. Something must happen for another to act on.

How did Jesus stand against the act that led to the mob action against the woman who committed adultery?

What most of you don't understand is how to fight psychological battle. The Muslim man arguing with you is just mocking you since you claim Christian but can't stand on what Jesus taught his disciples. If you must know Muslims aren't taught to wait for the law before fighting against what their religion says it's only when they are scared of the authorities that they pretend as if they are law abiding, in a Muslim country if a woman fails to use head covering she will be beaten publicly whereas that law is only for Muslims. So if you are now supporting mob action against two consenting adults having sex how can you speak against Muslims attacking people when the law doesn't condemn the victim?🤔
So in this matter it's the rule of law that should be uphold not what any religion says. However if you want to claim you are a Christian then think of how Jesus will handle the situation, remember Jesus will never support violence against sinners who committed their acts outside God's house!🤔

Image123:
Okay, so it should gather us as one. Can we be gathered as one in a different denomination apart from yours?

The above is your own question after all the scriptures i showed you pointing to how names enter into the book of life.

Image123:
Smile. When i told you your answer, you were denying vehemently like Peter denying Jesus. Do you want to know? Do you want to know? Funny people.

So if God's word (Jesus) prayed for his disciples to be one as himself with God are one {John 17:22} but no religion except Jehovah's Witnesses achieved that then there is no need arguing aimlessly at least you have known now it's left for you to choose where you belong!🙂

Lovelink1991:
The law of man and the law of God which one comes first both in the Bible and the constitution of Nigeria?

God's laws needs not to be enforced by any believer that's what Jesus taught it's Pharisees who were politicians that kept enforcing the laws on people instead of letting them choose for themselves!

Lovelink1991:
Which side are you stand in the pendulum? Are you against or for?

I fully stands against all forms of forceful adherence because i'm for Jesus who taught his disciples never to force what God said on anyone! Matthew 10:16

To who are you quoting what Jesus did?😂

I've told you times without number that these people don't believe in Jesus but you keep arguing worthlessly with them.

See how they will trash whatever Jesus did and continue upholding mob action!😂

AntiChristian:
No one is saying the Bible permits fornication! The law we use in Nigeria forbids mob action and invasion of privacy among other actions in the video!
A Woman Caught in Adultery - John 8:1-7
8 Jesus returned to the Mount of Olives, 2 but early the next morning he was back again at the Temple. A crowd soon gathered, and he sat down and taught them. 3 As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. They put her in front of the crowd.
4 “Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?”
6 They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. 7 They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” 8 Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust.
9 When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. 10 Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”
11 “No, Lord,” she said.
And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.”