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I'm waiting for any so called Muslim to please use your Allah's Quran to answer these two questions EXPLICITLY!😂

There is no Muslim with all their imams not even all your scholars in Islam can answer this questions using your Quran:

Where did your Allah create Adam and Eve in the beginning heaven or earth?

Where will the Paradise your Allah said righteous people will be heaven or earth?🙂

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Adam and Eve were created on earth.

Please quote it from your Quran.

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Scripture describes the final state of God's people. Revelation 21–22 presents that final vision as God dwelling with humanity on earth.

Now in your Quran where will the Paradise your Allah promised it's worshipers be?
Heaven or earth?🙂

FxMasterz:
I'm a Christian.

This is where you failed woefully!

The ORGANIZED PEOPLE unitedly doing the will of God as followers of Jesus are the ones called "CHRISTIANS" not someone who can't be seen.

So pick your lamba if you don't belong to any known group anyone can just make the same claim as in all the many different religions claiming Christians surely have individuals making the same claim joo!😂

FxMasterz:
So, you cut off what I said about the Pharisees and used my Jews response as response regarding the Pharisees? It's the same type of lies and falsehoods that your organization is known for. You're just hearing the fruits of your organization.

So what is the fruit of your own religion?

Let's compare to know which is really the truth?

Of course your religion remains ANONYMOUS!😂

FxMasterz:
No! That's another lie.
The Jews didn't search the Scriptures. They only concluded.

Are you saying the Pharisees who taught apostle Paul the scriptures don't search the scriptures?😂

Ọmọ they surely searched the scriptures the only problem is they don't want to subject themselves under Jesus' followers because they can see their mistakes just as everyone today can see the mistakes of Jehovah's Witnesses but where both you and the Pharisees failed woefully is you can't find a better performing group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

That is what sincere researchers who are searching scriptures are interested in! John 6:68-69

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Bible nor the Quran teaches that way.

Do you compare God's word (Bible) with that your useless and worthless book?

Oya answer just few questions using that your book!

Where did God create Adam and Eve?

Heaven or Earth?

Let's see if that your useless Quran is able to answer any question at all!😂

FxMasterz:
No. We can make mistakes, but we do not tell lies. Your organization actually lies. What's better performing in an organization united in lies?

The same way Jews concluded that the apostles are LIARS!🙂

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Everyone knows rulers and subjects can belong to the same government without living in the same place.

Exactly!
So both those rulers going to heaven who will rule over earth and their subjects on planet earth belongs to the same kingdom (government) of God but they are not going to live in the same place!🙂

Jesus' angels are currently separating the weeds from the fine fruit {Matthew 13:30} so true Christianity has sufficed though you may not like it {John 15:18-19} because they don't flow with worldly trend rather they stick to what Jesus taught them!

See what sincere observers are saying:

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

DeepSight:
I am not sure the respect JWs have is on account of what you say. It is more on account of their general simplicity, general adherence to bible truth, and the fact that no one can accuse them of being commercialised or money or power focused like most other denominations are. Alot of people see a purity in them which is lacking in many other places. I should know, for as I told you, in my youth, I used to be one.

HardMirror:
unfortunately, JW are the best Christians if we will be honest.

Funny Churchian!😂


This is the definition of HERESY:
A doctrine held by a member of a religion at variance or conflict with established religious beliefs.

So as long as all members of a religion agree on the same line of thought that term doesn't apply but when some of you stands against the doctrine of your own church so that you are ashamed to mention the name of the church where what you are teaching is held as doctrine then you are becoming heretic!😂

Emusan:
Heresy comes from Greek word "Hairesis" meaning 'Making a choice' so from this you should understand why it's called HERESY and not a SPIRITUAL IDEA. Anything spiritual (about Yahweh) must come from Him. So, any other ideas or a choice making outside what Yahweh reveals isn't SPIRITUAL IDEA but contrary ideas. So, many doctrines that the early Christians rejected i.e Jesus is Angel Micheal or Jesus is not God are outrightly called HERESY because it's not from Jesus nor from the Father.

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Rulers and citizens belong to the same nation, under the same jurisdiction, sharing the same common destiny. They are not permanently separated into different realms.

So all Nigerians stay in one government house in Abuja shey?😂

You keep making this funnier each time you want to argue because we all know that rulers and subjects don't stay in the same place even though they belong to the same nation.

And unlike democratic rule where you have to change them periodically God has said His own system of government will not be passed around to other people {Daniel 2:44} so those who are going to rule with Christ will be with him forever in heaven! 1Thessalonians 4:17

The funny thing is you want everything to be written in just one single verse whereas even your Quran never taught you like that!😂

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Jesus says the other sheep will be brought in and the result will be "one flock, one shepherd."

Because the first flock of sheep are lost ones from the house of Israel only {Matthew 10:6} but then there are also humble people in other lands who will like to know the truth about God and submit themselves to pure worship so they will be brought in through the preaching and teaching that the first flock (from Israel) will go and do in all other lands! Matthew 28:19-20

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He does not mention separate destinies, rulers and subjects, or permanent classes. Those ideas come from the framework, not the verse.

He has mentioned it in his teachings that the first set of sheep from Israel will rule with him {Matthew 19:28} that is why his twelve apostles are the foundation stones of his rulership {Revelation 21:14} but the total number of his corulers is 144,000. Revelation 7:5-8; 14:1

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If two flocks become one flock, then the text is describing unity, not an eternal division. Maybe your co travellers in this faith can help you articulate your position which keeps changing.

They are one in the sense that they are worshiping the same God under the same ruler: Christ Jesus.
But there destination is not the same place.
You are just arguing blindly because everyone knows that when we talk of a government there must be a government house where the rulers are gathered but that doesn't mean the rulers are not part of the same nation!🙂

Alikoooooooooo:
Welcome back from hospital.... I hope you are feeling better

Nice response.
Oya go and fix whoever you want there!🤔

Alikoooooooooo:
Omo this is the time for everyone to speak up. E don choke.

Has there ever been a time people feel OK with any government?🤔
Ọmọ it has always been the same nah the same story so if anyone comes in as long as it's this democracy system it will still be the same story!😟

Kalatium:
See who is talking. What about the other lapses.

Lapses or misunderstanding on your part?🤔
You are talking about a virus affecting all the religions you know but the one that's free from that virus you still want to accuse based on what you were told by all those infected with the virus!😟

ifenes:
Was Jesus married?

How can you expect someone who as a youth was given a date of his death to marry when he knows the responsibility that's attached to parenthood?😟

CyynthiaKiss:
Be careful with your blasphemous statement.. Peace!

He is not blaspheming at all in fact he's not even aware of the meaning of that word "BLASPHEMY" to him he's fighting against nonsense that was brought to enslave his people so in his own heart he is doing the right thing.

Blasphemy is not when someone speaks against what seems stupid from his own understanding in fact God loves people like him much more than hypocrites claiming they believe in God but doing the opposite in secret! 2Timothy 3:5

God's word says:


The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good. ‭Psalms 14:1 NIV‬

Do you notice the highlighted in red?

Real blasphemers say one thing with their mouth but in their hearts they are saying another thing entirely! Matthew 15:8

People like him do feel cold when they meet the truth and see that the religion they thought is for the Bible was actually formed AGAINST THE BIBLE!🙂

cutecommend:
If the dead in Hell fire were given a second to repent and go to heaven, heaven will be filled with new saints. But no more chance for those in Hell fire.

The Hebrew word (SHEOL) and Greek (HADES) simply means GRAVE so there is no fire or torment in the Bible Hell.

God told sinners that they will not have a share in the blessings He has in store for righteous people therefore instead of deluding yourself with falsehood that was later introduced into the churches of Christendom to threaten people seek the truth of God's word!

I'm only giving you the clearer picture of what Jesus said in that verse.

There are two sets of disciples one set will rule over the other set that's what makes them two flocks but they will all become one under one leader Jesus.

You keep making it funnier as you want to prove it's not clear whereas the book those Arabs gave you can't be of any use if i want to ask you questions regarding your faith!😂

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Very inconsistent! The argument keeps changing while the text stays the same. John 10:16 has been used here to argue for two eternal classes, then one organization containing two classes, and now rulers and subjects within that organization. Yet the verse itself says none of those things. It says one flock, one shepherd doesn't it?
The same issue appears with Matthew 10:6. If Matthew 28:19–20 expands the mission to all nations, then Matthew 10:6 was a temporary restriction, not evidence of a permanent two-tier destiny. And John 14:1–3 says Christ will receive his followers to himself, but it never limits that promise to 144,000 or excludes others from it. Those conclusions are being supplied from elsewhere.
More importantly, for nearly two millennia the dominant reading of John 10:16 has been that the other sheep are Gentiles brought into one people of God alongside Jewish believers. The text explicitly states the outcome is one flock. The burden is on the two-class interpretation to show where the verse teaches rulers and subjects or separate eternal destinies. So far, that language is coming from the framework, not from the verse. Where exactly do you stand?

Muslims with their funny behavior!😂

You even expect churchgoers to come and join you in arguing with me when everything is clear!😂

The emoji shows how laughable you are with your funny arguments!

Jesus said he is gathering only Jews for the work he wants to assign his disciples {Matthew 10:6} they are to rule with him in heaven {John 14:1-3} but they shouldn't forget other sheep will join them as his disciples {John 10:16} and they will all be in the same organization.

Perhaps it's the word "ORGANIZATION" that's confusing you:

It simply means ORGANIZED PEOPLE even though they are not of the same class there will be rulers as well as subjects in the same organization.🙂

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I've read it repeatedly. The issue isn't what the verse says; it's what is being added to it. John 10:16 says one flock, one shepherd.It does not say one organization containing two permanent classes with two eternal destinations. If that meaning were truly obvious from the text, it would be the dominant historical interpretation. Instead, the longstanding mainstream reading is that the other sheep are Gentiles brought into one people of God alongside Jewish believers. .The burden is therefore not on others to reread the verse, but on the two-class interpretation to show where the verse actually says what it is claimed to say. So far, it still says the same thing: one flock, one shepherd


Your emoji depicts how serious you take your statements.

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Now it is being presented as evidence that two groups can exist within one organization.

That is exactly what Jesus is saying you can read it again and again it's not rocket science joo!
God promised to save all inhabitants of planet earth through Abraham's descendants {Genesis 12:3} a child will be born among them {Isaiah 9:6} and his rulership will be forever {Isaiah 9:7} Jews were the chosen race because they already have all the details written in the scriptures given to them {Zechariah 8:23} Jesus confirmed that salvation will be attainable through the Jews {John 4:22} that is why he told his first century Jewish disciples to go only to the Jews {Matthew 10:6 compare to Matthew 15:24} it's after the Jews have gotten the message clearly that they will take it to all other nations! Matthew 28:19-20

God will choose 144,000 among the Jews to rule with Christ Jesus {Revelation 7:5-8; 14:1} those who will rule with Christ are to be taken to heaven. John 14:1-3

That is why there are two groups of people under the same umbrella as the ones who will inherit the earth will join them in worshiping God through what Jesus taught us. John 10:16

I know you only wish to criticize what you read in the Bible so if that is what makes you sleep well you can continue arguing with churchgoers they will entertain you will endless and aimless arguments but if you want clarity in what the Bible teaches come and ask Jehovah's Witnesses. 😂

We are not animals but humans created in God's image so when God is removed from the picture it's impossible for humans to be good in the real sense!🙂

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John 10:16 is actually one of the strongest difficulties for the two-class view. Jesus does not say two flocks under one shepherd. He says the result is one flock, one shepherd. How and why you missed that is mysterious.

Well go and ask other religions claiming Christians it's only among Jehovah's Witnesses we have members who will go to heaven while the rest in our millions will live forever on planet earth yet we are in one organization. John 10:16
Do you understand that scriptures now? John 10:16🙂

@PSTKYLIFELIGHT
You will continue deceiving yourself if you're not looking critically at what really matters.

See the below thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/8686192/when-ministry-becomes-marketplace

Title is: When Ministry Becomes Marketplace

Instead of arguing on scriptures that people can continue manipulating to cause confusion why not ask them to comment on such topics and see who can confidently mention the name of his or her church where COMMERCIALIZATION of the ministry is not found?😂

Regarding IDENTIFYING his disciples at a time when confusion makes it hard to know those getting the accurate knowledge of GOD Jesus said:

"I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.” John 13:34-35

WHY did Jesus emphasize on LOVE as the one and only identifying mark of his true followers?

Apostle John answered:

Whoever does not love has not come to know God, because God is love. 1John 4:8

So the question you should ask yourself is:

Do i truly believe in Christ Jesus?

Because he has given you what to look for in all the different religions claiming Christians when there is contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines in all places. To know the one and only true Christian organization what Jesus said we should look out for is the fruit of faith {Matthew 7:16} and what is the number one fruit of faith?
LOVE! Galatians 5:22 compare to 1John 4:8🙂

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
I will gladly acknowledge what Jehovah's Witnesses do well. Their commitment to political neutrality and refusal to take up arms against fellow Witnesses across national boundaries is something that deserves respect and is often cited as an application of John 13:34–35.
However, one strength does not automatically validate every doctrine of a religious organization.
The real question is not, "Do they avoid war?" but, "Do their teachings align with the full testimony of Scripture?"
For example, many Christians would argue that Jehovah's Witnesses have serious difficulties in areas such as the identity of Christ, the interpretation of John 1:1, Colossians 1:15–17, Hebrews 1, their exclusive claims regarding divine authority, and the history of doctrinal revisions.
So while their unity and noncombatancy are noteworthy, those qualities alone cannot serve as proof that all their teachings are correct.
The Pharisees had admirable qualities. Many religious groups today have admirable qualities. The test is not whether a group has one impressive characteristic, but whether its doctrine, conduct, and handling of Scripture stand up to careful examination.
Therefore, I would say this:
Your point about Christian love and refusing to kill fellow believers is a serious one and deserves consideration. But it does not settle every theological question. A group can be commendable in one area and still be mistaken in others. That is why all claims, including those of Jehovah's Witnesses, should be tested against the whole counsel of Scripture.

Jesus CLAIMED that John the baptist was Elijah to come {Matthew 11:14} but John denied being Elijah {John 1:21} so how many people believe John is Elijah today?

Why do you believe John is Elijah when he himself denied it?

What is Jesus' evidence regarding that claim?

Well John is not Elijah in person but he fulfilled the role of the coming Elijah!

So when Jehovah's Witnesses makes any claim are they truly fulfilling it?

If so then whoever expects the Bible to say it explicitly as Jehovah's Witnesses applied the scriptures should tell us why he or she believes Jesus claiming John is Elijah?😂

Kalatium:
WHEN MINISTRY BECOMES A MARKETPLACE
One of the greatest challenges facing modern Christianity is the growing tension between ministry and commercialization.

The one and only true Christian group (Jehovah's Witnesses) will never allow such in our gathering!🙂

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
Your argument assumes the conclusion you are trying to prove.
1. On John 13:34 to 35 and love
Jesus said His disciples would be identified by love. The question is: does love alone identify one specific modern organization?

YES!

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
That standard applies equally to Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholics, Anglicans, Pentecostals, Baptists, Orthodox Christians, and every other group.

Stop deceiving yourself!
Only Jehovah's Witnesses won't join in killing their fellow believers in other countries during ethnic, national or tribal conflicts.
Russia and Ukraine went to war against one another before then Russian President Vladimir Putin banned Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia.
WHY?
Because that is the only religion that will never pick up weapons against their fellow believers no matter what you say. John 13:34-35🙂

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
Whether a church has 400,000 members, 4 million members, or 40 million members does not determine whether its teachings are true.

This is the more reason why each person needs to mention the name of his or her church! Micah 4:5

You are just arguing worthlessly when the name of your church is anonymous all these people knew the one and only organization having a unique teaching that's the reason they are mentioning the name of the church having that teaching!🙂

Emusan:
Just know that he is not even interested in the NAME of your church but just wants you to be associated with a name like Adeboye, Oyedepo, Kumuyi, Oyakelome, TB Joshua, Suleman, Eneche, Ibiyemo e.t.c

When you people speak against JWs is it the group name Jehovah's Witnesses that you are attacking or those taking the lead in the organization?🙂

Ọmọ in the first century Jewish religious leaders attacking Christians are doing so because they hate the one teaching them what they they believe which is Jesus.

So yes the name of your church should reveal the person whose teachings you subscribe to and how such a person's teachings is producing fine qualities among his followers! Matthew 7:15-20🙂