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Image123:
i see you have pictures, are they curled from asleep magazine? How much is a copy these days?

What did the Bible say about how to get one's name written in that book?🤔

If you don't want to know it's OK!🙂

Image123:
Do you want to go to heaven? Is your name written there?

If you don't want to know it's OK!🙂

Image123:
Is your name written there? You wey no wan go heaven sef.

If you don't want to know it's OK!🙂

Image123:
Join the jehovahwickedness, right?

If you don't want to know it's OK!🙂z

The Europeans who brought the Bible aren't Christians!🙂

NetbizBoss:
IF ACTUALLY CHRISTIANITY WAS GOLD THE COLONIALIST WOULDN'T HAVE FORCE IT ON AFRICA

TODAY WE ARE BEGGING THEM TO SHOW US HOW TO TECHNOLOGICALLY PRODUCE SOME THINGS BUT THEY REFUSED BUT FORCE THE SO CALL GOD ON US BEFORE SLAVE TRADE BEGAN


*Portuguese and Spanish coastal enclaves, 15th-17th c.*
- In Angola, São Tomé, and parts of West/Central Africa, Portuguese missionaries worked with local rulers who converted for trade and military alliances.
- In some cases, colonial administrators tied access to trade, education, and jobs to baptism. Refusal could mean exclusion from those systems.

*Belgian Congo, late 19th-early 20th c.*
- Missionaries operated under King Leopold II’s administration. The state supported Catholic and Protestant missions as part of its “civilizing mission.”
- Historical records show pressure on communities to send children to mission schools, where conversion was a condition for literacy and basic services.

*British, French, German colonies, late 19th-20th c.*
- Direct forced baptism was rare in British and French territories.
- Indirect pressure was common: colonial law, courts, and schools often favored Christians. Chiefs who converted often gained colonial backing. Traditional religious practices were sometimes banned under colonial ordinances, e.g., outlawing certain ceremonies as “public nuisance” or “fetish practices.”

3. *Mechanisms of forced or coerced adoption*
Where it happened, it usually worked through:
- *Political pressure*: Rulers converted to gain alliance with colonial powers, then their subjects followed.
- *Legal and administrative bias*: Colonial law favored Christian marriage, inheritance, and court testimony.
- *Economic and educational access*: Missions ran most schools and hospitals. Attendance often required baptism or at least renouncing traditional practices.
- *Military force*: In rare cases during conquest campaigns, colonial forces destroyed shrines and compelled conversion as part of pacification.

AFTER THE RELIGIOUS CONVERSION THEN CAME THE SLAVERY AND THE SLAVES TRADING

FxMasterz:
No, it was not a misconception carried by everyone. Even John made a clarification about it in John 21:23
"Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, 'If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you,."
John himself clarified that Jesus never said that.

John said:
So the saying went out among the brothers that this disciple would not die. John 21:23
Jesus said this statement in the year 33.c.e and nobody not even apostles John himself corrected it until the year 98.c.e when he wrote the gospel.
So if it's not a misconception among the first century Christians why didn't John correct it until 98.c.e?🤔

FxMasterz:
The Samaritans were not Israelites. They were people from other nations that were resettled in Samaria after the northern tribes were taken away captives during the reign of Sennacherib king of Assyria. They original Israelites were exiled. The new inhabitants of Samaria were foreigners from other nations. They were not descendants of Jacob. Not even of Abraham. This was why the Jews had no dealings with the Samaritans.

So why didn't Jesus expose the lady at the well as a liar when she said:

“Sir, you do not even have a bucket for drawing water, and the well is deep. From what source, then, do you have this living water? You are not greater than our forefather Jacob, who gave us the well and who together with his sons and his cattle drank out of it, are you?” John 4:11:12

Why didn't Jesus say she lied claiming Jacob (Israel) is her forefather?🤔

HacheNoire:
All I know is that, if David Oyedepo makes heaven, I am definitely going to make heaven too.

So you think Oyedepo is a Christian shey?🙂

NetbizBoss:
IF ACTUALLY CHRISTIANITY WAS GOLD THE COLONIALIST WOULDN'T HAVE FORCE IT ON AFRICA.

The funny thing here is that Europeans who brought the Bible aren't Christians if you don't know that is the truth for you!🙂

On the contrary there is a Bible verse that tells us how our names could be written in the book of life but it's a secret that's hidden from arrogant and self-centered people! Matthew 11:25🙂

judewrites:
Why? Our prayers can bring God's timely intervention through our leaders, as all their hearts are in His hands at His disposal. (Proverbs 21:1)
God bless Nigeria 🇳🇬🙏

According to God's word who controls all human governments in the world?
Please consider the following scriptures before responding because questions may be raised regarding them.
:Luke 4:5-7
:John 14:30; 18:36
:2Corinthians 4:4
:Ephesians 6:12
:1John 5:19
Thanks in advance!

FxMasterz:
That misunderstanding was not doctrinal. It doesn't affect the Gospel in anyway. It was a mere perception about John. It has nothing to do with the Gospel. God made sure to clarify anything that has to do with doctrines. God is not a God of confusion, and the Bible is a complete Book. And yeah, the Bible was not written in one big volume, but God made sure every ingredient necessary for a future Bible was perfectly ready.

I'm not talking about doctrine but what the first century disciples of Christ were telling themselves and definitely telling people about John that he will not die until Jesus returns. John 21:22-23
So they were expecting Jesus to return before the death of apostle John and since it wasn't corrected by Peter and the other apostles till they all died do you think any sincere observer who heard it will not call first century Christians "false prophets" since Jesus never returned as they spread the misconception? 🙂

FxMasterz:
That notion remained because even though the Gospel was for all, the 12 disciples have a ministry for Israel Jews alone.

What were they to preach to only the Jews?
Samaritans are Israelites too yet Jesus excluded Samaritans in this setting:
"Do not go off into the road of the nations, and do not enter any Sa·marʹi·tan city; but instead, go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. As you go, preach, saying: ‘The Kingdom of the heavens has drawn near'" Matthew 10:5-7

So why did Jesus exclude Samaritans if the message is for all Israelites?🙂

All these are your own PERSONAL SELF RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT so you can't be the one who determines God's way to judge people.

What Jesus said is there should be one group of obedient worshipers having one line of thought {John 17:22} striving to live by what he taught them even though they are imperfect and can err several times {Matthew 18:21-22 compare to Proverbs 24:16} as long as they are able to identify what they all agreed upon and righteousness through faith in Christ each of them will continue to correct himself or herself in connection with the agreement they had on the teachings of Christ. Matthew 18:15-17

That's what it means to continue washing your robe in the blood of the lamb.

To illustrate try to visualise a person who feels he or she needs to wash his dirty robe with the most powerful detergent but forgot to stay in one gathering of other washers such a person can't know if his or her robe is truly clean because he or she can only see his effort without anyone beside pointing to the hidden stains in his robe.
But what if such a person is in the midst of thousands of washers who are also using the same detergent as each of them is striving to whiten their robes? Surely each one will continue to assist the other by pointing to the stain remaining on his or her brothers robe.
That's why Jesus told Peter:
“Simon, Simon, look! Satan has demanded to have all of you to sift you as wheat. But I have made supplication for you that your faith may not give out; and you, once you have returned, strengthen your brothers.” Luke 22:31-32
Peter helped his fellow believers to see where they are lacking {Act 15:23-29} and Paul also helped Peter to know where he is lacking. Galatians 2:11-14
So you can't be a true Christian by singling yourself out of the congregation of God and claiming your own personal righteousness Jesus only works with a group of worshipers in this respect! Matthew 18:20
May you have peace!

paxonel:
In living the kingdom life,
Living your life the way you are, even though you are a sinner, is far superior than making people believe that:
You are spiritually holy
You are without sin
You can see visions
You can do signs and wonders
You can speak in tongues
You can raise the dead
You can go to church and attend all services
You can heal the sick
You can raise the dead .

Yes, these gifts of the spirit are good.
But they are far inferior

Such that, when you speak on pulpit, everyone are scared and come trembling to you.
No one can stand tall enough to question you.

The beauty and happiness of the life is when you are aware that you will be resurrected with Christ the day you die
Also, when you see yourself using the knowledge of your profession and trade make meaningful impact to your society. And your existence in addition and subtraction of your imperfection, makes the world a better place at the end of your life here on earth.

All these are not achieved by being spiritually holy.

But Chris, Oyedepo and Kumuyi are still alive today so what happened to their so called ANOINTING?🤔

paxonel:
All the anointed men of God in all churches have stopped performing live miracles.

I remember those days pastor Chris used to do wonderful things on television screen.
Bishop Oyedepo had slapped a witch on pulpit.
Pastor W.F Kumuyi had healed a lamed fellow in a crusade
Pastor Enoch Adeboye had once eaten with the Almighty God or something mysterious.

Great things used to happen in those days, but all of a sudden, ever since covid 19, they all quench.

Now, we hardly see even malaria get healed.
Can someone please explain what is happening?

CaptainJune:
You want to read your own interpretation into the scriptures.
Adam died because he lost the nature God gave him and donned the sinful nature. That does not mean Adam made up for his sin by death. No human can actually redeem himself or herself from the consequences of sin. It was only the second Adam, the Lord Jesus Christ who could do that.

So what exactly happened to Adam since God told him that the wages of his sin is death? Genesis 2:17; 3:19🤔

CaptainJune:
Romans 6:23 talks about spiritual death which is eternal separation from God in hell. It also says that the gift of God is eternal life. Take note of the word in bold format. It simply contrasts eternal life with eternal death.
The death, however, referred to in the book of Hebrews 9:27 is the physical death all men must experience, a doorway to a new reality—the spiritual reality. This scripture made physical death or decomposition of matter an unalterable physical law of God that applies to the living.

Are humans existing before creation?
If not are you saying there is something indestructible that lives on after death of humans?
What about Adam?
Did he exist after his physical death?🤔

Explore2xmore:
We will arrive at it together; hopefully. We appear in fair level of agreement regarding the non exclusivity of the Jews and or Israelites but there are still grey areas regarding the authenticity of the vision isn't it?

Please count Jehovah's Witnesses out of such thing because Jesus wasn't talking about preaching for salvation in some instances for example @ Matthew 10:6 he specifically instructed his disciples not to preach to anyone except Jews only in fact he excluded Samaritans who were also Israelites in the message so there is a difference between preaching to gather Christ's future corulers {Matthew 10:6} and preaching for the salvation of obedient mankind. Matthew 28:19

Explore2xmore:
Note that Luke wrote Acts decades after the events, raising standard source and transmission questions primarily for reference to a vision in a trance-state experience reported secondhand through a narrator, not direct prophetic utterance
The Acts 15 council's continued deliberation suggests even contemporaries did not treat the Cornelius episode as settling all questions definitively.

Luke wrote all the information he was able to gather regarding how the apostles and elders in Jerusalem established Christianity so whoever is found opposing their stance is no longer a Christian because Jesus said regarding Peter and the other apostles:

"You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my congregation, and the gates of the Grave will not overpower it. I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of the heavens, and whatever you may bind on earth will already be bound in the heavens, and whatever you may loosen on earth will already be loosened in the heavens.” Matthew 16:18-19

The death of An·a·niʹas and Sap·phiʹra occurred because they lied to that group (Apostles) that's why God's angel struck them instantly people in the first century began calling the group a cult after the death of that couple but then anyone disobeying the apostles on any settled matter will be excommunicated {Romans 16:17; 2John 10-11} so in the first century the group known as Christians have the same line of thought {John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10} and whoever doesn't agree with the decision made by the apostles and elders in Jerusalem can't question their authority just as we have among Jehovah's Witnesses today such ones can go ahead and form their own religion but no member of Jehovah's Witnesses will count such a person or his religion as part of our faith! 1John 2:19
So it's these anonymous religionists claiming Christians that are confused regarding God's word not JWs!

FxMasterz:
Everything they misunderstood and misinterpreted were all corrected within the Bible and not outside of it.

Was the Bible in one big volume when the Apostles were all alive or it was later compiled after most of them died misunderstanding and misinterpreting the message?
For instance apostle John wrote his own gospel account in the year 98 C.E. by then all the other apostles have died and it was in the last chapter of his gospel account that he corrected one big misconception regarding what Jesus told Peter:

So when he caught sight of him, Peter said to Jesus: “Lord, what about this man?” Jesus said to him: “If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you? You continue following me.” So the saying went out among the brothers that this disciple would not die. However, Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but he said: “If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you?” John 21:21-23
Was the misunderstanding of Jesus' statement corrected by the apostles or it has lingered in the minds of Christians in the first century for decades until apostle John wrote his own gospel account?

FxMasterz:
Like in this particular matter, correction came in Acts 10 and was established in Acts 15.
So, we don't have an incomplete Bible.

You didn't answer the question:

Did Jesus meant they should preach to only Jews at Matthew 28:19?
If not what is the difference between this command and that of Matthew 10:6?

cutecommend:
Accepting Jesus and repenting from all sins makes ones name get written in the book of life.

Which of the tens of thousands of different religious sects claiming Christians can you point to as example of what you just typed?

The countless religions claiming Christians today are contradicting themselves both in teaching and doctrine so how can interested observers identify those that have truly accepted Jesus and living by his commands? Matthew 28:20

h777:
So, what hope has been assured?

The hope is GOD'S promise. Ultimately, it is the promise of salvation, resurrection, inheritance, the Kingdom, and eternal life in CHRIST. The faithful were looking forward to realities GOD had spoken about, even when those realities were not yet visible.


Faith was demonstrated through obedience.

faith becomes assurance of that hope → obedience demonstrates belief in the unseen reality.

Your answer to both questions is really satisfying!

Now how are those claiming Christians today DEMOATRATING their belief in the unseen reality through their obedience?

There are tens of thousands different religions claiming Christians and they are contradicting themselves both in teaching and doctrine we know that anyone living with or close to ancient servants of God back then can see how they demonstrated their faith through obedience to God's covenant regarding His future promises is there any group you know today that is also acting in line with future promises of Christ's kingdom?

cutecommend:
Revelation 20:15 "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire"

What did the Bible say about how to get one's name written in that book?🤔

CaptainJune:
Christ, the second Adam, who knew no sin tasted physical death as well. What then was the purpose of His physical death if it accomplished nothing?

I never said Christ's death accomplished nothing in fact at his last breath Jesus said:

“It has been accomplished!” John 19:30

So i believe Jesus' death accomplished something vital for the salvation of obedient mankind. John 3:16

My question is:

If God told Adam that he will die for his disobedience {Genesis 2:17} and that is exactly what happened to Adam would other disobedient humans also die too or they will be judged again for their sins after dying?

What of Adam?
Will he also be judged again for putting all his descendants into thousands of years of suffering, sickness and death?🤔

MaxInDHouse:
It is written:
So all the days of Adam’s life amounted to 930 years, and then he died. Genesis 5:5
Did God meant Adam will still be judged again after his death? Genesis 2:17; 3:19🤔

The Bible teaches that it's through one man all humans became sinners {Romans 5:12} and that man was Adam so it's reasonable to ask if the wages of Adam's sin is just death or eternal punishment because he is the first and foremost sinner whose sin infected all inhabitants of the earth.

So if the Bible says the wages of sin is death {Romans 6:23} what exactly does the verse that says "it is reserved for men to die once for all time, but after this to receive a judgment" really mean? Hebrews 9:27🤔

What is your point?

Explore2xmore:
Is it the case that the bulk of Acts 10 were a vision not certainly physically real event?
What precisely did God mean by what I have made clean, do not call common?
Peter himself says in Acts 10:28 that God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean but exactly how is a concern for me. He didn't talk about food or any dietary categories.
Clarification about people is made in Acts 10:34-35 which confirms the theological conclusion he drew that God shows no partiality, and in every nation the person who fears Him and acts rightly is acceptable to Him. Questions regarding Jews, Israel and the rest of the world get raised here.
The interpreter does not need to work hard as the text's own protagonist provides the exegesis. The cultural and historical context reinforces this reading. Jewish exclusivity in early gospel proclamation was not merely a preference but a deeply held theological conviction, gentiles were categorically outside the covenant, ritually impure, their households forbidden territory for observant Jews. Luke 7:6 shows this was a live social reality even before Cornelius. The vision's use of food imagery was not incidental; it deployed categories Peter already understood viscerally to communicate something he would otherwise have resisted entirely.
That the interpretation held beyond this single episode is confirmed by Acts 15, where Peter uses the Cornelius precedent explicitly to argue against imposing the Mosaic yoke on gentile believers. The vision was not a private mystical experience it became foundational ecclesiological precedent.
However, one question the text leaves genuinely open is how does one establish with certainty, in any subsequent case, whom God has declared clean? At Cornelius's house the confirmation was dramatic and unambiguous, the Spirit fell visibly before any human authorization. Peter could not argue against what he was witnessing. But that mechanism was a unique unrepeatable event, not a transferable procedure. Acts 15 itself still required council deliberation despite the Cornelius precedent, which tells you the early church did not treat Acts 10 as having resolved all future boundary questions automatically.
The text establishes that God determines cleanness unilaterally. It does not provide any human institution the authority to certify that determination in subsequent cases with equivalent certainty. The conclusions in another contribution that Acts 10 preemptively settles the question against later revelatory claims is a conclusion the text does not support and does not need to support. The passage makes a strong enough case on its own terms without being conscripted into arguments external to its context.

It is written:

So all the days of Adam’s life amounted to 930 years, and then he died. Genesis 5:5

Did God meant Adam will still be judged again after his death? Genesis 2:17; 3:19🤔

CaptainJune:
Max, to begin with, the 'death' you referenced is spiritual in nature —eternal separation from God. The death you seem to imply is the physical death which all men must experience whether righteous or unrighteous. It has nothing to do with judgment. Remember the second death mentioned in the book of Revelation chapter 20? According to your logic, people who have paid for their sins with physical death must experience a second physical death, right?
In retrospect, you said people pay for their sins with death. What in the world does that even mean? What demonic doctrine is that? If people could actually pay for their sins with death then the sacrifice of Christ on the cross was irrelevant. It would also mean that the accountability required of man in judgment would become redundant as both evil and righteous men die.
When it is said that the Lord Jesus brought someone back to life the exact location of the resurrected person is technically unknown. However, one can speculate that the righeous souls went to a spiritual place of rest called Abraham's Bosom (see Luke 16:22). I say it is technically unknown because time does not work in eternity the way it works here. A person may die and may be awaiting their judgment when, through the fervent prayers of someone else or a group of people, they are resurrected. There is no cookie-cutter approach to the spiritual experiences of people who experienced clinical death and were resurrected.

FxMasterz:
They agreed but they misunderstood. They probably thought He was talking about the dispersed Jews among the gentiles. There was a Moses stronghold on their minds that wouldn't allow the truth of that message to penetrate. Thank God for Paul.

First of all this clarified what i've been telling you people on this forum that it's not everything they understood after they were baptized with holy spirit they gradually got things clearer as time passed but then Jesus said:

Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit. Matthew 28:19

Was he also talking about only Jews in this verse?🤔

Sirchiboy:
Please come out.
Is there any place in the Bible that say.
A man should marry a liabibilty.
Or a man should take care of woman or pay his bride price.

When God created man it was Adam alone that was created in God's image Eve was later created out of man's rib {Genesis 2:21-22} this means all the works given to man regarding the garden is man's assignment alone the woman came as helper to assist him {Genesis 2:18} so Adam should provide for his wife everything needed to make her comfortable as his helper.

As regards a price to pay for marrying a wife Adam paid with his rib so according to the Bible a man should pay a price for asking for the hand of a woman in marriage each culture will determine that!

h777:
Faith is hearing the WORD, believing the WORD, speaking the WORD, and standing on the WORD even when feelings disagree.

According to apostle Paul faith the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen. Hebrews 11:1

What hope or expectation has been assured and how has it been demonstrated even though not seen?🤔

FxMasterz:
That verse is actually not about rulers or co-rulers. It's just about God's dispensational.shift.

When Jesus said:

And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:14

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” Matthew 28:19-20

"But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:7

Are you saying Peter and other apostles didn't agree with Jesus' command?🤔

FxMasterz:
Peter was a Jew who believed that only the Jews have a right to God and to salvation.

Somehow you missed something vital here!

Peter and the other twelve apostles heard Jesus telling them to go and preach to people of all nations {Matthew 24:14; 28:19-20; Act 1:8} so they knew very well that they must also preach to people of other nations but the issue they had with gentiles is the same issue the Pharisees also have back then.

Jews believe that when it comes to being corulers with the Christ only Jews supposed to be chosen!

The Pharisees themselves believe that Jesus supposed to associate with them since they are custodians of the law so after Jesus has spent all his days in the ministry with only his Jewish disciples they assumed that it's only Jews that will be chosen as the Christ's corulers and of course that's what was written in the scriptures but Jesus made it clear through several illustrations that since the Jews refused to respond urgently to his message people from other nations will become part of the chosen rulers with him in his kingdom.

So when Peter saw that the gift of God's holy spirit manifested in the lives of Cornelius and those who were with him despite being gentiles he realized that the barrier has been broken so now people from other nations will be chosen to rule with Christ in his kingdom though the rest of obedient mankind will enjoy everlasting life on planet earth under the rulership of Christ and his corulers! Matthew 5:5; John 3:16; Psalms 37:29; Surah 21:105

CaptainJune:
I said when a person dies the next thing is judgment. What is the meaning of judgment to you? Does it mean heaven or hell to you? Are you trying to play ignorant to the meaning of judgment?
Where were they when Jesus brought them back to life? That is not the subject of this discussion.

If Jesus brought them back to life where were they before then?

The Bible says:


For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. ‭Romans 6:23 NIV‬

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. KJV

What will those who have paid for their sins with death be judged for after paying with their death? Romans 6:7🤔

The question was answered by Peter to whom God showed that vision.

He said:

“Now I truly understand that God is not partial, but in every nation the man who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him" Act 10:34-35

The symbolic food items referred to the people of the nations who weren't part of God's covenant so when Peter received the message he got the understanding that God was talking about Cornelius who's house supposed to be forbidden for Peter to enter! Luke 7:6

Emmy000seun:
Why are the pastors not standing as a tool for God to use them and correct the wrong in the society..

Because that is not what Jesus sent his disciples to do!

Your pastors knew very well that they are deceiving you all they want is their own share of the goodies so if you find any of them speaking against the rulers he or she is only agitating because he or she has not been settled and the hardship is affecting his or her followers who are contributing towards his or her lavish lifestyle.

Real Christians don't have any business with human rulers when our prayers involves them we are begging our God to help us redirect their minds towards something else in order for them not to tamper with the assignment Jesus gave us because according to God's word they are instruments in the hands of Satan {Luke 4:5-7; John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} so they are under the forces of darkness as corulers with Satan the devil! Ephesians 6:12

We are no part of the world influenced by Satan's government {John 17:14-16} so we have no business allowing them to say a word on our platform unless they drive us away before doing so!🙂