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AntiChristian:
My question

OK o!

NNTR:
John 17:6
“I have manifested Your name [and revealed Your very self, Your real self] to the people whom You have given Me out of the world;
they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept and obeyed Your word.

John 17:26
and I have made Your name known to them, and will continue to make it known,
so that the love with which You have loved Me may be in them [overwhelming their heart], and I [may be] in them.”

Your comment can only be regarded as lacking in sincerity and having zero meaningful content.

1. Where in John 17:6, 26, do you find Yahshua HaMasaich, the only begotten Son of God, who happens to be God Incarnate (i.e. God personified, God in human being flesh) put into word(s) and say what God's true and/or personal name is. Hmm?
2. Being that 'you, we know the name of our God' please humour us, by telling all, what is the name of your own God then?
3. Does the Hebrew and Greek alphabets have letter J in them?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Moses told the Israelites:

“Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. You must love Jehovah your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your strength. These words that I am commanding you today must be on your heart, and you must inculcate them in your sons and speak of them when you sit in your house and when you walk on the road and when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as a reminder on your hand, and they must be like a headband on your forehead. Write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates. Deuteronomy 6:4-9

Jesus said:

“The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah, and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength." Mark 12:29-30

So Jesus actually declared the name of his God it's the translators that worked on your version that removed God's personal name!

Israelhamas:
Fundamental truths are not subjected to individual opinion.

If there are such fundamental truths then why different religions claiming Christians?

AntiChristian:
Question 3
If Christ died for the sins of mankind, then by his sacrifice we are all sinless. On the cross and before his death he did not specify any criteria for his sacrifice to be upon us. He never put such conditions as belief in him as a deity or that we must accept the yet to be announced religion of ‘Christianity’ or to profess belief in the ‘Trinitarian Godhead’. If there are conditions, (let’s say to believe in him), then mere belief in his existence satisfies this condition. If Christ did die, then he died for you, me and everyone else and we are therefore sinless through his death. If it is claimed that he died only for the elect, then his death was useless as he claimed to die for all (John 3:16), but his death was not good enough to save everyone. The logic behind his death is also of great interest.

Your question!

SEGLIZ:
no individual will answer your questions because they have nothing to do with your search.
besides God transcend religion, Jesus isn't about religion. you need the same scripture you question to answer your question.
God Almighty, Jesus and the scripture are basically spiritually as such you don't expect to solve spirituality with the physical.

As a former Muslim i perfectly understand where he's coming from, in the religion any question their clerics raise will be huge in their minds as if that is what they can use to condemn the Bible but then honest hearted and sincere individuals among them knows that something is wrong when you can't preach and teach what your faith says except having to trail other religions!

AntiChristian:
Sir, do re-read the question and answer appropriately! :-

The first Scriptures were written by Moses and from that time whatever happens to God's people continues to be included as part of the scriptures.
Note the phrase that started the scriptures:

"In the beginning" Genesis 1:1

Scriptures will no longer be written when the last inspired writer pen down this phrase:

"in the end" or "the end">

Until then God will continue to inspire writers to pen down all the troubles mankind experienced due to the first sin.

So calm down my Muslim friend God's people will still include all the things they did in our time as part of the scriptures until:

The end!

AntiChristian:
How does this answer the question?

Scriptures according to your own religion may be what your God revealed to your prophet but Scriptures according to the God of Israel continues until the end of badness that's what God meant when He referred to Himself as the alpha and omega He will continue to reveal things we need until we get everlasting life all will surely be incorporated into the SCRIPTURES!

AntiChristian:
Question 1
If the earliest Christians within the first two centuries after Jesus did not need a New Testament to qualify their faith, why do modern Christians have such a need? If they did not sanction or consider any other writing beside the Old Testament to be scripture, then isn’t it a digression from the ‘true faith‘ of the earliest believers to incorporate something new as scripture?

The Scriptures isn't about what one prophet did or how God dealt with the nation of Israel rather it's about the continuous history of how God brought obedient mankind out of Adamic sin through the ransom sacrifice of the Christ so don't be surprised that in the New system of things more books will be included as scriptures until God declared that we can live forever!

jaephoenix:
I don't pray for safety, and yet, here I am. So I don't get your point

Those praying HOPE in the one they're praying to!

FOOLISHNESS jump into a discussion without having full knowledge of the discussion! Proverbs 15:2

Babies are born sinners whether they can talk or not {Psalms 51:5} as long as they part of the human family they are God's enemies {Romans 3:23; 5:12} but we can become God's friends by learning about His ways that's why God commanded the Israelites of ancient times to inculcate His laws in the hearts of their children! Deuteronomy 6:6-7

So as long as these children are living by what God's word says they remain His friend but once they turn aside they instantly become His enemies deserving death! 2Kings 2:24

gohf:
THEY WERE WICKED.

So you don't need stories, babies are WICKED.

Period!

gohf:
God judged Jacob and Esau in the womb
He called Jeremiah from the womb
Do you think God is devoid of knowledge either of the present or the future to know those who are wicked and just.
Do you think his arm is too short to save those whom he finds have hearts that are like his.
God destroys that which isn't of His will, that which isn't His (what he planted), will a farmer not destroy weed?

Irrelevant!

Answer the simple question:

Children destroyed during Noah's day, Sodom and Gomorah, Jericho and Amalek are they IGNORANT or INNOCENT?

gohf:
what is written?
You can't understand my words because you neither understand scripture nor know God.
Gen.6.5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
This was the basis by which he flooded the world. But Noah was saved because he was righteous and found grace in the eyes of God.
2Pet.2.5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;
2Pet.2.6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;
In the case of Sodom and Gomorrah the Lord came down to see for himself, to judge, to find those who were righteous. Are you saying the Lord is blind and he lied to Abraham whom he promised that he would spare the city if he found 10 righteous men?
1 Peter 3:19-20 did you read what Peter wrote that Jesus did?
Read Luke 13:1-5, people die not just because they are sinners but we have to repent so that we do not perish.
Your little mind assumes and therefore misinterprets even when it is explained to you, so you still ask, what are you saying again, because you have either closed yourself off reasoning and refused to listen or you are basically purposeful avoiding the truth.
You are actually the one that needs this epistles but if only you realise your need for it

Guy, if you want to correct yourself just do so and stop all these story it doesn't add up.

Here is the question again perhaps you've changed your stand.

Children destroyed during Noah's day, Sodom and Gomorah, Jericho and Amalek. Are they IGNORANT or INNOCENT?

Now take a deep breath before responding!

achorladey:
Continue to use am hold body

Thanks for commenting!

gohf:
do you now see your wicked heart, of course you can't

Why did you not ask the babies why did you say children. Obviously was it not to deceive.

But you fail to understand something about God. Does God judge based on age?

You have so little understanding of God that you restore to petty deception to score some cheap online points. Go ahead and believe God will destroy the innocent with the wicked.

I must have missed this quote.

Do you even understand what the judgement of God is, do you think leaving this life is that judgement?

So people died is that judgement, didn't Jesus say repent or your fate will be far worse they theirs. Yet you think because children or in your terms babies die in natural disasters they were judged by God.

Whose children are they? Are they not children of men?

Would you justify yourself just to condemn God

Guy you don't need all this epistle.

I asked you:

MaxInDHouse:
Children destroyed during the flood of Noah's day, in Sodom and Gomorah, Jericho and Amalek. Are they IGNORANT or INNOCENT?

Your response:

gohf:
they were wicked

So what are you saying again?

gohf:
is it really about me or about God 😏
Was I the one to judge them so 🤷🏾‍♂️
Are you saying God judged wrongly and he destroys the innocent along with the wicked?

Well God DESTROYED babies and sucklings so that means those babies aren't innocent as you have said earlier but some people want to assert that they are innocent so if God destroyed them and He only destroys wicked people definitely those babies are WICKED as in EVIL.

That's the import of this thread!

NNTR:
I have briefly explained the reason why the true or personal name of God is unknown

Now, not knowing the personal name of God aka YHWH aka Yahweh aka Jehovah, doesnt in anyway leave believers at a disadvantage

Would interest you to know that, God is yet to have told or reveal to anyone what God's true or personal name is.

Three recorded times God was asked what His name is, the question was sidestepped, only for God to proffer a consolatory 'Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh' suffice response to Moses

Micah 4:5
For all the peoples walk, | Each in the name of its god
—and we, | We walk in the Name of our God YHWH,
For all time and forever.

Highly Spiritual Question that Micah 4:5 hasnt the answer to

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

If you don't know the name of your own God it's not our problem we know the name of our God, his only begotten Son declared it to us! John 17:6,26
So take care of yourself!

CJStarz:
@MaxinDHouse, @achorladey and myself,we don settle d matter. So relax.

Thanks so much!

One thing that baffles me about some Ex-jws is the way they look for opportunities to malign God's organization, though i was once a Muslim and i've seen horrible things happen in their midst i know that some of them are nice and kind so if i want to talk about religion i've been watching myself not to say much about Islam since i know most people there only think religion is just whatever suits their opinion and nothing more.
So i focus on my discovery about the one and only true religion!

achorladey:
He is not sincere since he didn't dance to the tune of your madness and insanities peddling brains.
You better use your thanks for commenting peddling hold body as consolation.

Thanks for commenting!

johnw47:
by the way to edit thread topic, go to your first post/opening post, on page one of your thread
click on modify, there you can edit your post, above that you can edit the subject/topic.
MaxinDHouse

Thanks John!

Janosky:
Achorladey WEREY peddling brain
Is it ONLY one individual worshipping Jehovah God in the whole world?
Achorladey werey peddling brains.
Balogun of DUNCE.

Please let him be as he doesn't want to relate with members of God's organization anymore at least he now have friends that are better than JWs!

Janosky:
That FX very low IQ guy dey deceive himself.
He should go & reread his posts with labels "demonic, brainwashed ', 'blood money' etc.
Because of JW's exposure of his gullibility & IBERIBEISM .

He is not sincere so there's no way the truth can make any sense to him!

Emusan:
Monetary TITHING ENDED but TIMING TITHING didn't, right?

Perhaps you need to know that back in the days of Israelite high priests they're the ones who tells the people what to do under the old covenant so since Jesus the new High Priest never demanded tithes from anyone but time to do the most important work he was assigned to do {John 4:34} there's no going back to what has ended: the old covenant!

Meanwhile let me correct you on some things you you don't understand.

Neither Tithing nor Sabbath nor Circumcision is part of the new covenant, that's why Paul and Bandanas were sent to the Apostle and elders in Jerusalem to know what the Holy Spirit says about these laws that came with the old covenant. Act 15:1-2

The Apostles and the elders in Jerusalem said:

“The apostles and the elders, your brothers, to those brothers in Antioch, Syria, and Ci·liʹcia who are from the nations: Greetings! Since we have heard that some went out from among us and caused you trouble with what they have said, trying to subvert you, although we did not give them any instructions,we have come to a unanimous decision to choose men to send to you together with our beloved Barʹna·bas and Paul, men who have given up their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We are therefore sending Judas and Silas, so that they also may report the same things by word of mouth. For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you! Act 15:23-29

So neither Tithing nor Sabbath nor Circumcision has anything to do with Christianity!

Emusan:
Now, about animal sacrifices, Jesus OFFERED HIS BODY!
Animals sacrifices aren't ETERNAL PRACTICES but Tithe, Sabbath and Circumcision are!

Exactly!

The new High Priest offered his body that's why monetary tithing ends because it's what was used to pay for the services of those in charge of animal sacrifices! Hebrews 7:11-12

Emusan:
I know you'll come with this line!
The writer of the book of Hebrew already addressed everything including animal sacrifices.
Or you want me to lecture you on that?
Finally, I'm glad you see that scriptures supported TITHE!

Please lecture me where the scriptures stopped animal sacrifices but retained tithing which was meant for the services rendered by those in charge of animal sacrifices: priests!

Even the the owner of the thread already admitted that tithing was never practiced by the first century Christians.

Ken4Christ:
I agree.

Emusan:
Now you can't deny knowing scripture supported PAYING OF TITHE.
So don't twist scripture further just obey God!
That's nice!

The same scriptures supported animal sacrifices so don't speak against those sacrificing animals since it's found WRITTEN as part of the law!

Emusan:
JESUS never even CALLED HIMSELF HIGH PRIEST so how can you attributes Matt 10 to His High Priest?

I thought you agreed that Jesus is the High Priest

Emusan:
Jesus is the High Priest!
True or false?

Through whom people from other nations became members of the house of faith but obviously you don't understand so let me teach you!

No high priest in Israel is equal with Jesus who entered the Most Holy (Heaven) not with the blood of animals but with his own blood to redeem mankind. Hebrews 9:12

So as the High Priest that connected gentiles to God's glorious assembly all must bow to whatever he commanded {Philippians 2:10} He didn't ask us to pay tithes so there's no reason to bring it to him but he commanded us to spend our precious times in preaching zealously and industriously teaching all the things he taught us {Matthew 10:11-13; 28:19-20} this requires time and since time is equivalent of money whoever is doing this work {John 4:34} is paying something precious to our new High Priest!

Israelhamas:
I’ve been able to see this moniker several times and also like some of his threads. Until recently when I saw different heretic teachings and attack on God’s word from this same moniker.

Do you attend the same church with him?
If not then you should know that since you're not attending the same church there will be some teachings and doctrines that will surely contradict what you were taught in your own church in fact that's what gave birth to countless religions all claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.

So whatever sounds heretic to you in his posts is truth to him while yours which doesn't go in tune with his are also heretic to him!

Emusan:
Why did the writer allude to Melchizedek being given Tithe by Abraham as Jesus became a Priest in the ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK?
Note: Melchizedek was not portrayed as HUMAN PRIEST!

Melchizedek was given tenth part of what the patriarch got so Paul used it as example for his Jewish Christian brothers that they need to give Jesus the new High Priest something just as Abraham also gave Melchizedek something but since both Melchizedek and Jesus aren't physically present what they will give them can't be physical.
Today true Christians are giving their time directly to the High Priest by making sure they join others monthly to preach and teach in their neighbourhood just as the new High Priest Demanded from his own people! Matthew 10:11-13; 28:19-20

So whoever is paying money or physical things isn't giving that to the new High Priest because that's not what he demanded from his people!

jaephoenix:
Lemme repeat myself cos I see English is a handicap for you.
So if I pray for safety, how does your God grant me the wish
Point in note: 'If' here is hypothetical. Doesn't mean I would do that. Just assume it.
Please answer and quit this song and dance

What if you don't pray for safety?

Emusan:
Good!
So, when did the law stop payment of Tithe to the High Priest?

The law to pay tithe ended when the human system of priesthood end! Hebrews 7:11-12

achorladey:
There are so many concepts out there. God's organisation is equally part of the concept set up by men to advance their thousands of agenda using the bible as back up. Keep it as part of your thanks for commenting.

Thanks for commenting!