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CJStarz:
No wahala.
God knows those who are His

Of course JEHOVAH knows imperfect humans striving to do what His perfect Son commands as they assemble with one accord working to do His will so their flaws are minor things before him just as Peter who lived some 2,000 years ago strived really hard to overcome his flaws! Psalms 103:10-14

So if you're living in the 21st century and think true Christians today aren't doing things right due to their individual flaws i want you to have Peter always in your mind we servants of the true God while we are still alive we are washing our robes in the blood of the lamb {Revelations 7:14} so if you're looking at the stains now remember it took Peter more than three decades to overcome those flaws that you're reading about today.

Thanks for your time, God bless you, and may you have PEACE!

CJStarz:
See as you wan take style cover your imperfections. Jesus encourages us ,His followers to be perfect. He says ,'Be ye PERFECT just as your Heavenly Father is Perfect '.
Peter sinned,yes,but he REPENTED of that same sin. He became remorseful. I don't see anywhere else where it was written that Peter messed up again.
Now I know your justification for immoral living as evident among your members.
You guys are so unrepentant.
You have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof.

Ọmọ you're very very funny!

I gave you one instance of a close companion of Jesus and you said after all his blunders he repented so what makes you feel that each of those JWs you're seeing aren't also working on their flaws?
Guy you have seen the way of salvation don't throw it away because of heresay, if you're sure that the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses have the Good News of God's kingdom which others don't have it's a sign that Jesus is WORKING with them! Matthew 28:20
So your complaint about the flaws of members is irrelevant.
I was a Muslim searching for the only true religion because i know that God can't approve countless religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines so I focused not on individual flaws rather on what God is able to do with the assembly of imperfect humans!

MightySparrow:
Ọgá softly softly. Which Holy Spirit nah.
I merely asked if NWT is a literal translation of the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts or embellished to suit your doctrines, thus reducing it to commentary.
If it does not reflect the original writs (in content, context, and intentions of the writers) in the manuscripts, it is a honest translation or transliterations. I understand that none of your GB members have been proficient in any of these languages.
Again I am asking: is NWT a translation, transliteration, or commentary?

Ọmọ why do you think Pharisees, Sadducees and Scribes kept complaining about Jesus' application of what the prophets wrote?

For your information it's his application that's not in harmony with the rest of all religious teachers in Israel just as you're worried now that JWs interpretation and application of what was written differs from yours.

So instead of arguing over the LETTERS think about the SPIRIT {2Corinthians 3:6} because it's the LIVING SPIRIT that's WORKING not just what you believe! James 2:18-26

brocab:
Does your word line up with ours, or is it different from us... DO YOU BELIEVE in all the scriptures? No obviously Not..

There's no need comparing what we believe to your just put whatever you believe to WORK! James 2:18-26

Ken4Christ:
We give our tithes not based on the law of Moses but based on principles. This is not even my point. My point is those who say that tithe ended with the law should practice what Jesus taught. Jesus said that we should sell our assets and give to the poor. This is more than 10%. To the young rich ruler, he aaked him to sell everything. This is giving 100%. So tithing is just a child's play compared to what Jesus demands of us.
So, you must do one of them. And we know that 10% is much easier than giving away 100%. You can't decide to give nothing. You must give something. The minimum is 10%. If you can't do that, you are a thief and a robber. You are overly stingy and you will die in poverty. Giving opens opportunities for more blessings. The more you give, the more chances of getting blessed.

You're getting it all wrong!

How many of his disciples sold everything they had?

The man wanted to become part of those who will rule with Jesus in heaven so Jesus told him to sell everything he had and give to the poor.

Who are the poor?

Jesus said:

"Blessed are the poor (in spirit) for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" Matthew 5:3

The poor in spirit are Jesus' anointed brothers who were given the task to gather faithful and obedient humans throughout the earth this people are poor in that the assignment is really weighty therefore they need the support of humans physically, materially, emotionally and spiritually to succeed in their assignments {Matthew 25:34-40} so if anyone wants to do what Jesus told that man he or she will give away whatever he had to support Jesus' anointed brothers and such a person will have treasures in heaven! Matthew 6:19-21
For instance there are Christians in the first century who gave up their businesses or jobs to join Jesus' disciples and become lifetime pioneers like Paul, today many are also doing the same by willing all their properties to the Watchtower and becoming preachers and teachers from house to house doing the work of God's kingdom.
Some had shares in big companies they also willed all their benefits to Watchtower that's what some Ex-jws noticed but instead of them to ask why these people are doing so they started looking for ways to discredit God's organization claiming that the Watchtower invested in weapon production whereas it's the primary investor who gave up his shares to support the kingdom work.
So if you hear that Jehovah's Witnesses are the richest organization on planet earth don't be surprised none of our leaders has any property worth being noted everything belongs to Jesus who is working with his true disciples in this endtime! Matthew 28:20

Do we practice tithing to make this work?

NO!

CJStarz:
I know say that one don sweet you for Belle but then una need to change una character. That way, you guys will enjoy more followership

Ọmọ characteristic of humans remains same unless you want to deceive yourself.
Jesus never expected his disciples to be perfect rather what he said about them is that they will be his witnesses globally {Act 1:8} which means the assignment he commissioned {Matthew 28:19-20} will be carried out by them.
So if you can see that i don't think it's what is peculiar to imperfect humans that should stop you from entering God's kingdom.
Peter was boastful {Matthew 26:33} was temperamental {John 18:10} he denied Jesus his friend {Matthew 26:72} he even laid a curse on himself swearing he never knew him {Matthew 26:74} he also denied his fellow believers {Galatians 2:11-14} yet that's the person Jesus gave the key to the kingdom of God! Matthew 16:19
If you knew all this about Peter would you ever think he has what no human has ever bad in the history of mankind?
Well the only begotten Son of God gave this same man the keys to God's Kingdom so that whatever he binds on earth has been bound in heaven and whatever he loosen on earth has been loosened in heaven! Matthew 16:19
So instead of thinking about the imperfection of true Christians why not concentrate on what Jesus is using them to accomplish in this time of the end! Matthew 28:20
May you have PEACE!

MiddleDimension:
I literally said ''your organization stands accused of.... HOW DO YOU PLEAD? '' and you said I have already judged before hearing the other side? That statement implies you should state your case!

There is nothing to plead as you and i know that any organization is made up of imperfect humans so there's nothing peculiar to humans that you won't find in the midst of imperfect humans unless they have all become perfect.

The truth is that the group name CHRISTIANS has been BASTARDIZED and CURSED by false religions claiming they belong to CHRIST that's why Satan is targeting the real Christian group today.
Make a research on any religion and tell them me if they are free from what is peculiar to all imperfect humans so the reason why everyone is so much interested in such news when it involves Jehovah's Witnesses is because that's the one and only true Christian organization all others are FAKE so to prove the organization is not different from them they are exaggerating bad news heard involving members of this group but one thing is clear that is the only group doing God's will today!
So if you care to know what that means i will TEACH you Jesus knew that there's no way imperfect humans can perfectly do anything but with the spirit of God in their midst they will fulfill what God foretold just as it happened in ancient times with the nation of Israel. Nobody can tell me that there were no flaws back then among the Israelites yet God persistently declared them His people.
WHY?
Because His Spirit was guiding them to fulfill His purposes.
So that's what you should think of not what is peculiar to all imperfect humans.
Thanks!

CJStarz:
They love THEMSELVES but hate OTHERS?

They are apolitical but always come up with nonsense logics, even in neighbourhood or family meetings?

Nothing worthwhile to emulate from them.

This is coming from one who has fellowshipped with you guys at Kingdom Halls and has attended your different Conventions.

Got pissed off with your hypocrisy and left.

One thing though....you have the Good News of the Kingdom.

The highlighted has finished all enemies of God's organization!

FxMasterz:
How did I insult them? Would you please tell me? I'll like to know.

Obviously you're a clown!

Go through your write ups again and tell others if you've been respectful to Jehovah's Witnesses simply because they're having a different outlook from yours you keep saying horrible things and insulting us.

FxMasterz:
Your insults change nothing.

I've condone your insults to a fault so go to hell.

FxMasterz:
Yes, it's very possible for anyone to do that.

If you think it's possible for an investor to send out antagonists to jeopardize his own business then there's no reason arguing with you!

MightySparrow:
Is it a honest translation word for word of the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts?

When Holy Spirit is WORKING your honesty means nothing {James 2:18-26} because it's from imperfect human mind, if this is about honesty many from different religions are honest yet they're lost in false religions.
So what really matters is the result expected of those studying God's word {Matthew 7:16-18} if your religion is not performing up to expectation then all your honesty is worthless before God! Isaiah 64:6

MightySparrow:
In one word NWT is an interpretation?

Guy whatever you want to call it whatever matters to me is how the book is moving it's readers into ACTION in doing what Jesus commanded all his disciples to do!

MightySparrow:
My church has nothing to do with the honest translation translation of the scriptures.
Is NWT a translation, transliteration, or commentary?

Translation and interpretation is 5&6 what is of utmost importance is how what you heard makes you act and obey the Author.
If you're not acting in line with the author's command there's no sense in whatever translation or interpretation given!

Ken4Christ:
In the wilderness, after they left Egypt.

So it's when God announced to the Israelites that tithing became official among worshipers of the true God not when Abraham paid that's why his descendants never practiced it until it was incorporated into the laws given to them.

But those laws includes animal sacrifices and burning of incense so do you still make animal sacrifices and incense burning today?
If you don't then all such practices has ended with the old covenant! Hebrews 7:11-12

Ken4Christ:
Tithing didn't start with the Law of Moses. Abraham paid tithe several years before the Law of Moses was given. Jacob, his grandson vowed to give God a tenth of what he receives. He didn't limit it to gains.
So, the church pays tithe because Abraham, our father of faith did. And the scripture says that we should walk in the footsteps of Abraham.

When was it incorporated into law?

MiddleDimension:
Not withstanding, you have to answer the allegations of the cover of child sexual abuse endemic in the Watch Tower of Pennsylvania's Governing Body.
The JW Organization stands accused of all these henious crimes, how do you plead?

MiddleDimension:
You are a former Witness?
You don't practice the JW craft anymore?

With this you've shown that you're biased and against God's organization so believe whatever they told you there's no need arguing with you since you've already judged matters before hearing from the other side!

FxMasterz:
At the bolded, is that your proof? Is this how you expect me to be using my brains like you do? Sorry, I can't be using my brains like one who has an empty skull.

Of course your brain is not working nah!

Any sane businessman will find it extremely difficult to wrap his head around such stupid allegation:

All business people invest to gain and pay for advertisment but in this case someone told you that investors sent out millions of people to go from house to house discouraging potential clients from purchasing their own products!

Ọmọ go and see a psychiatrist jàre hatred and envy against God's organization is running you mad!

FxMasterz:
Lol.
So, you're so frustrated that you cannot hide it anymore?
When you can no longer defend your lies and develop, you resort to insults such as Ode, Mumu, etc. Now, the true you is coming out again. The demons can no longer hide. The power of the Holy Ghost has blown off their cover. All the pretence and camouflage has been removed.
Prove to me right now that the accusations are false. You noise making servants of a cursed blood sucking god have been exposed.

Ọmọ that's no insult but exactly what you are!

How can you say members of an organization should not talk when they're accused by those from divers schools of thought and because they are responding you're insulting them?

If you don't know how to respect others then you can't ask for respect from them!

MightySparrow:
Is your NWT a translation, transliteration, or commentary?
If you put it side by side Hebrew and Greek versions. There are more of JWs doctrines and views than the original writs in content, context, and intentions of the writers.
So, which is your NWT?

Make the best use of what you have there's no need for comparison if you can't mention the name of your church!

MiddleDimension:
You are a former Witness?
You don't practice the JW craft anymore?

I am a PRACTICING WITNESS OF JEHOVAH.

The thread is for FORMER JWs.

Do you understand now?

MightySparrow:
Hahaha. Old friend.
Show us where the word Bible is in the Bible!

Mumu Churchian!

That's why our version is called NEW WORD TRANSLATION of the Holy Scriptures!

MiddleDimension:
@maxindhouse

https://www.nairaland.com/8111618/thread-former-nigerian-jehovahs-witnesses#130257613

FORMER not PRACTICING.

Thanks!

FxMasterz:
My dear, you like making unnecessary noise.

I have told you that all the weapons of mass destruction you've been producing are not enough to silence the children of God.

Mumu!

You don't even understand anything at all!

Is it JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that's crying on the forum or you and your cohorts as you keep on coming with different accusations against God's organization to SILENCE us but became frustrated with your friends as you started wailing because we aren't SILENCED? Isaiah 54:17

FxMasterz:
They're just shameless liars. How can a sane human being still be here defending his investment in something he has condemned? They're far gone. They're not even worth arguing with.

Here you are frustrated that God's people are giving meaningful explanations to show that the accusations are false!

Ọ̀DẸ̀!

FxMasterz:
Please bring proof that members of my religion who joined your cult were the ones who gave away the shares your cult have in a weapons production company. Your cult also shamelessly accepted it and continued to enjoy the profit? Bring proof anyway. I saw proof your cult has shares in a company producing weapons of mass destruction, otherwise, I wouldn't join in condemning your cult. If you have any proof to the contrary, present it. I don't want noise please. Just proof. Only proof.

Mumu!
So someone invested his hard earned money in the production of something and at the same time sending millions of preachers and teachers to discourage potential clients from buying the same products shey?
PROOF kọ ROOF ni.

Why not ask for proof from your friends that Jesus never existed and see how they present countless documents to that effect?

If you can't use your brain i'm sorry for you!

FxMasterz:
The guys are pissing me off honestly. They're a very dishonest and conscienceless set of people. They're as evil as Satan himself.
Aemmyjah, Maxindhouse, Janosky, Cornelboy, Michael547, Tell me, how can you be condemning war and be justifying the production of weapons of war at the same time? Is something wrong with you?

Something is really wrong with your brain!

Did God's organization produce weapons?
NO!
Did God's organization invest in weapons?
NO!
Did God's organization support wars?
NO!

It's members of your religions who later studied God's word with us and converted that decided to give away the proceeds of their investments to God's organization but you won't listen to that rather it's the lies parked into your empty skull you're repeating like a broken stereo!

FxMasterz:
"No weapon that is formed against you will succeed; And every tongue that rises against you in judgment you will condemn."

Mumu!

Here is the verse from KJV

No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.Isaiah 54:17

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=bible.kingjamesbiblelite

Ọmọ God's servants will SILENCE falsehood but you're so ashamed of God and Jesus that when Courz/oteneaaron said the name of God belongs to demons and that Jesus was just a myth you said it's none of your business because you don't know how to prove him wrong.

If you don't know he have SILENCED you spiritually speaking.

For your information he's disturbed that with all his tactics he couldn't silence Jehovah's Witnesses on this forum all his spiritual missiles were rendered useless.

So it's not about physical weapons otherwise Jesus and many of his disciples were killed with physical weapons but was anyone about to kill their faith or silence their outspokeness?

NO!

achorladey:
He wants us to abandon the thread for him

Perhaps you have forgotten here is the topic of the thread again:

7 Reasons Why I Respect The Jehovah's Witnesses

So if you don't respect Jehovah's Witnesses it's OK but don't come here to malign God's organization that's what i will not accept from any faithless miscreant.

The investments in weapon production wasn't the doing of God's organization rather it's what your own people established and agreed upon as legit business but it's some of the investors after becoming members of God's organization that decided to will all their benefits to promote God's Kingdom work their intentions is to see what happens if weapon production should fold up due to the preaching and teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses against wars at least the shares will be returned or diverted into something else! Isaiah 2:4

But your own people who wants to settle their disparities with violence won't allow that so the business stays and the benefits gotten by this individuals are given to God's organization for the propagation of the GOOD NEWS of God's kingdom.

That's what you and your cohorts need to get into your skulls otherwise no sane investor will send out antagonists in millions to go from house to house discouraging potential clients from purchasing his own products!

Ken4Christ:
The subject is tithe. My point is that those condemning it should practice what Jesus taught about giving. And those who receive it should review how they administer it.
Both parties have flaws.

WRONG!

When God called the Israelites out of Egypt He promised to take them to a place where they will be established as an independent nation and secure them so that no nation no matter how mighty can make them to tremble! Exodus 29:45

He also said they will become a nation of priests {Exodus 19:6} so there will be sacrifices and other sacred deeds among these people therefore God told them that the inheritance should be shared among all the tribes except one tribe: LEVITES! Numbers 18:20

So when sharing the inheritance of Israel Levites were exempted and God commanded the rest of their brothers that is the remaining children of Jacob to make use of their own inheritance then after they've realized gain they should divide their gain into ten parts and bring one out of the ten for the Levites in the Tabernacle! Deuteronomy 14:26

This means it's not tenth part of what they were given that they are to bring rather it's the tenth part of what they gain!

The Levites also must pay tithes and who are to benefit from these? It's the orphans, widows and stranded travelers in Israel so the orphans, widows and stranded travelers are completely exempted from paying of tithes as they are on the receiving end. Deuteronomy 14:29

This is what the Israelites continue with until they were captured and taken into exile in Babylon but when God brought back the Jews to their land pure worship was restored and what happened? Most Jews don't want to pay the tithes anymore they felt since the nation has been conquered and they're no longer with the rest of the ten tribes it's no longer reasonable to go paying tithes in the rebuilt temple. Nehemiah 13:10
That's why God sent Malachi to remind them that it's because of pure worship that He brought them back to the promised land and they are robbing Him if they stop paying tithe as Levites wouldn't have food to eat neither would orphans, widows or stranded travelers! Malachi 3:6-11

So is tithe paying required after the religion of the Jews has been discarded?

Since the temple was destroyed in the year 70.c.e the duties of Levites ended and their services (slaughtering animals, burning incense and other things) is no longer required so there's no reason for worshipers of God to pay tithe again because what Christians practice today has nothing to do with sacrifices or burning of incense with is the primary reason the tithe was instituted! Hebrews 7:5-12

Thank you, God bless you and may you have PEACE!

FxMasterz:
They're just shameless liars. How can a sane human being still be here defending his investment in something he has condemned? They're far gone. They're not even worth arguing with.

So keep shut!
That's what our God said we will do as in He made it clear that His worshipers will silence all faithless miscreants like you! Isaiah 54:17

FxMasterz:
So, before weapon production ceases, you guys must quickly make all the money that could be made from producing those weapons?
When I said my God said nothing about weapons production, I meant He didn't command us to produce weapons. And I gave you an example that even in Saul's days there were no weapons in Israel. But being a son of the devil himself, you must turn the matter mischievously.
Is your god so poor that he must make blood money by all means? Please show me a pastor that makes money from weapon production. Do it with proof.
You guys are just shameless and lacking in integrity.

Their idols are silver and gold, The work of human hands. A mouth they have, but they cannot speak; Eyes, but they cannot see; Ears they have, but they cannot hear; A nose, but they cannot smell; Hands they have, but they cannot feel; Feet, but they cannot walk; They make no sound with their throat. The people who make them will become just like them, As will all those who trust in them. Psalms 115:4-8

JEHOVAH said your gods are material things so since these things can't speak you will be the ones making decisions for them!

That's why you cry over what the true God said and is doing with His own worshipers otherwise you should be ashamed of yourself and your hopeless gods that with all your rambling here and there it's God's people who are making the best use of money to produce Bibles, Bible based literatures, relief materials, places of meetings for believers and of course most of your own people are benefitting by picking up some of these things to use them instead of wailing because some individuals gave up their benefits so that God's organization can make the best use of the money.
Your own pastors are out there fighting against one another because of the earnings of their poor members dragging with their poor members whether they should pay tithes for them to live big whereas God's organization is tapping from the money and using it to benefits everyone that's willing to enjoy it.

Shame on you and your useless gods!

Ken4Christ:
Busy body. Stay away from my thread if you have nothing to say.

You asked a question and i answered nah!

Instead of converging on the thread where they were CALLED to welcome one another they wanted to die for our neck as if it's a must we must follow to leave God's people with them.

I purposely engaged them throughout on this thread to prove they had nothing worthwhile to say against God's organization where imperfect humans are trained to exhibit the nine qualities of God's Holy Spirit. Galatians 5:22-23

Anytime you come around learn to RESPECT Jehovah's Witnesses whether you use subtle words, cunning words or harsh words Una go meet Maximus for house.

With JEHOVAH wẹ are fully competent and are completely equipped to meet up with whatever challenges you bring be it hot or cold. 2Timothy 3:17

Therefore let it be known among all apostates that spiritual WEAPONS designed against our faith will be neutralized, any TONGUE speaking against us we will render dumb that's our HERITAGE and as for our RIGHTEOUSNESS it's no go area for faithless miscreants because it's from our God Himself: JEHOVAH! Isaiah 54;17