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FxMasterz:
It was shares that was donated to your organization. Isn't it?
I have asked you what your reactions would be if the same thing had been donated to Winners or RCCG or any other church. Let me tell you the truth, if Winners or RCCG should be beneficiaries of this kind of shares, I would condemn it outright. I wouldn't be a hypocrite like you.

What concerns me with donations given to your people?
After all your pastors are buying properties in their names and riding private jets from the so called donations given to your god.
So i have no problem with donations you can go through all my posts on Nairaland i have never for once question the source of donations given to any religion on this forum.

WHY?

Because it's the heart of the donor that compelled him or her to give so why should i judge them?
So if your pastors are judiciously making good use of the donations nobody not even your church people will question them but as you have it they're just accumulating wealth for themselves and their children that's what you are thinking about God's organization whereas no single brother among us owns anything from the proceeds we get everything is used to support the kingdom work.
So your opinion doesn't count here my guy it's your own PERSONAL OPINION!

FxMasterz:
Your organization is well known for such manipulations. I'm not surprised.
Jesus was talking about restitution. Restitution isn't the same as salvation. It just an action done to right a wrong. In Mathew 19:21 which you quoted, Jesus clearly said sell what you have, distribute to the poor (not to JW or to an organization), THEN COME FOLLOW ME. That means the restitution itself is not a guarantee for salvation until you follow Jesus to the end.
Keep deceiving yourself. At the end of the days, you would be very sorry for yourself. Keep manipulating scriptures to support heresies!

Perhaps i should address the claims that we're manipulating people.

Only Jehovah's Witnesses has what it takes to convince sincere and honest hearted people.
The Bible belongs to us so when explaining we reach the hearts of unbiased individuals just as you noticed yesterday with CJStarz the young man started with complaints against God's organization saying there are bad people in the group but by the time i opened up the scriptures he confessed and said:

"You are making sense"

What about your friend achorladey?

The young man said:

"Achorladey just dey mis yan"

WHY?

Because you guys are only furious you don't have what it takes to convince anyone on the things you believe, that's why you people just throw everything up when you can't convince anyone you will say:
"go to any Bible believing church"

Abeg which church can you say is not Bible believing apart from your principal enemy JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?

All of you are contradicting yourselves so there is nothing like Bible believing church rather you don't have what it takes to convince your audience that your church is practicing true Christianity!

So if you like continue to cry all over the forum about manipulations that's exactly what first century Jewish religious leaders also claimed about Jesus Christ! John 7:45-49

So we are not surprised that you're here saying the same thing about us! Matthew 10:24-25

Ken4Christ:
The disciples of Jesus forsook all to follow Jesus. So, they already made their sacrifices.
The early Church sold their possession and it was shared to those in need.
Jesus taught an eternal principle. His message was not just for the audience of his days. So if you don't want to practice tithing, do what Jesus instructed us to do. Period.

The early Christians didn't practice tithing that is my point!

FxMasterz:
Jesus never said that please.

Matthew 13:45-46

Matthew 19:21

Luke 16:9

You can go and show all your friends let them meditate thoroughly then come back to explain what Jesus meant in those verses!

FxMasterz:
Please where did Peter learn to reject some monies? Who taught him?
I stand by your words that the shares were donated in exchange for salvation. And that Christ and God disciples never rejected any monies.
Who taught Peter how to reject money the way ge did in Acts 8?

The money wasn't given to the GROUP so he has the right to accept or reject just as you said you will do as an individual but if it's meant for a group of people ọmọ that's beyond you!

FxMasterz:
I have asked quoted a scripture that explained what Christ said. You rejected it. Christ already answered the question through the Holy Spirit in the verse.

2 John 1:8

"Watch out that you do not lose what we have worked so hard to achieve. Be diligent so that you receive your full reward."

Philliipians 2:12

"Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

Now, if salvation is the same as treasures in heaven according to you (Jesus never said in that verse that treasures in heaven = salvation), will the individuals who donated the unrighteous shares remain saved even if they become apostates tomorrow in spite of their treasures in heaven?

I have answered you that the question is not for me but for Jesus who said people can NEGOTIATE their SALVATION nah!

FxMasterz:
The question is where did Peter learn how to reject money from? Who taught him?

Let's take things one after another remember NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION {Revelations 22:18-19} so if you can't find where the group rejected gifts during Jesus' time it simply means the gifts weren't meant to get something in return it's the laws they received from their God that they were following.
They must be kind to strangers that's why any Israelite who treated Jesus' disciples with contempt is on the danger list {Matthew 10:11-15} because such a person is not kind to strangers just as their forefather Abraham did!{Genesis 18:2-3} Jesus knew that real Israelites must provide for strangers visiting them {Matthew 10:9-10} but when it's time for team to cross the boarders of Israel Jesus ordered them to provide for themselves! Luke 22:35-36


So the gifts weren't given in exchange for any favour that's why they can't reject what their God commanded their own people.

But as for the other man he wasn't giving the group rather he wanted to bribe the two men perhaps they can reveale the secret behind that power to him!

FxMasterz:
We've quoted the scriptures that further explains what Jesus said. You deliberately cut out that part because you want to reject it.
Let me ask you this question. The person who sold shares to your cult now has treasures in heaven according to you, isn't it? According to you, he is now saved, isn't it? What happens if he becomes an apostate tomorrow even in spite of his treasures in heaven? Does he remain saved because of his treasures in Heaven?

You always mix many things together!

They didn't sell it to the group rather they sold it to those who will give the proceeds to the group.

And as for those NEGOTIATING for their SALVATION it's Jesus that you should ask not me after all you saw what he said that people could actually NEGOTIATE their SALVATION!

FxMasterz:
Can't you see how dubious you are already?
The group was collecting funds without Jesus' knowledge? Please answer me!
If the group never rejected any funds, whee did Peter learn how to reject some donations as he did in Acts 8:20:
"Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money!

Was the gift available before Pentecost?

So those giving them material things were buying gifts from them shey?

oteneaaron:
Following your logic of manipulating scriptures, can Watchtower be regarded as "poor"?

Well you don't believe any of these things so it's a pity for you.

Here is what Jesus said:

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:3

For your information Jesus' brothers are the poor in spirit that's why Jesus said only those who cared for them will be allowed into God's kingdom! Matthew 25:34-40

Meanwhile they have been given the Kingdom {Luke 12:32} so if you fail to NEGOTIATE with them i'm sorry for you! Luke 16:9

FxMasterz:
Treasures in heaven is not the same as salvation of the soul. Okay? You can have treasures in heaven and lose them if you're not saved.

You just love arguing blindly!

Jesus said people can have treasures in heaven but you think such ones are not saved.

Must you continue deceiving yourself?

FxMasterz:
Jesus actually collected funds,

Why are you this dubious nah?

Jesus never collected a dime from anyone it's the group that's given the material things just as God's organization is collecting gifts today as a group.
So it's not what any individual can determine whether it should be received or not meanwhile you can't find a single verse in the Bible where the group rejected any gift.
Perhaps there was no unrighteous riches back then in Israel! Luke 16:9

FxMasterz:
Is that the reason why someone must donate his shares to negotiate his salvation?

But i thought you claim to believe what is found written in the Bible nah!

Well here's what Jesus himself said about negotiations for SALVATION.

"If you want to be perfect, go sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come be my follower.” Matthew 19:21

You're free to ignore what Jesus himself said o!

FxMasterz:
Luke 8:1-3
"After this, Jesus traveled from one city and village to another. He spread the Good News about God’s kingdom. The twelve apostles were with him. 2 Also, some women were with him. They had been cured from evil spirits and various illnesses. These women were Mary, also called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out; 3 Joanna, whose husband Chusa was Herod’s administrator; Susanna; and many other women. They provided financial support for Jesus and his disciples."

Who is the one collecting the money nah?

But Judas Is·carʹi·ot, one of his disciples, who was about to betray him, said: “Why was this perfumed oil not sold for 300 de·narʹi·i and given to the poor?”  He said this, though, not because he was concerned about the poor, but because he was a thief and had the money box and used to steal the money put in it. John 12:4-6

Do you now agree that Jesus never collected a dime from anyone?
Whatever gifts the group receive was kept in the money box in Judas Iscariot's hand Jesus doesn't even have a single wallet with him.
So anything given belongs to the group!

FxMasterz:
Hmmm!
Using blood money to negotiate his salvation!
Aemmyjah, Cornelboy, Michael547, Janosky
Are you in agreement with what your brother Maxindhouse said in this screenshot?
He said the person who donated the armament shares to your cult was using the money to negotiate his salvation.

The funniest part here is that oteneaaron publicly declared that there is no God or Jesus but you have no problem with that it's donation that you can't quote any verse in the Bible against that you're crying over.

Ọmọ nah wah o!

oteneaaron:
Lol.
I wanna bribe your god to negotiate my salvation.
How much would that cost?

You know where to donate nah why blow the trumpet ahead of you? Matthew 6:2

oteneaaron:
Are you guys still on this matter.
MaxInDHouse clearly admitted that it doesn't matter where the money comes from.
He also mentioned that the money they make from the sale of weapons of war and tabbaco cigarettes are actually bribes to their god as a negotiation for salvation.
Those were his exact words.

Ọmọ anyhow you put it jàre after all you don't believe in God or Jesus you're just here to talk against your principal enemy:
God's organization!

FxMasterz:
And the unrighteous wealth was fitting for your unrighteous organization. I agree.
Zachaeus gave away his unrighteous wealth too (Luke 19:8 ). No, he didn't give it to Jesus, Jesus would have rejected it. He distributed part to the poor and returned the ones he unlawfully collected in folds. Can you imagine Jesus taking such shares? Don't bother to respond. I'm sure you would never even see any lesson in the Zachaeus episode. You'll go on justifying the action because your soul is sold out to an organization and not to God. So, God's word doesn't matter. Meanwhile, if the shares were donated to Winners Chapel, then you'll likely quote this Zachaeus story to condemn it. Shame on you!

Can you remind me a verse where Jesus took a dime from any human?

FxMasterz:
Jesus never taught you like that? So Jesus taught you that national defence is not good? Or that he died for 144,000 people only, or that Her came in 1914 before you started peddling such lies? Can you see how hypocritical you are with that response? Even accusing me of being self righteous for rejecting such bloody shares?

Someone felt remorseful that his wealth is not RIGHTEOUS so he decided to give it away so that God's organization can utilize it properly and you said you will reject such as if the organization belongs to one individual like you who will say YES or NO.

Ọmọ we are talking about an organization of millions around the world so it's not what an individual like you will decide how the owner should dispose his UNRIGHTEOUS RICHES.

So no matter what you call it that's your own PERSONAL OPINION the spirit of God that touched the heart of the giver is a million times wiser than you!

FxMasterz:
I have also asked you why JW didn't reject the share offer. I personally would reject such a gift on the grounds of my personal morality and Christian standing.

That's your own SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS Jesus never taught us like that! Luke 7:38-48

The investors are now lifetime pioneers going from house to house like any JWs in your neighbourhood while their former business colleagues laugh at them for humbling themselves so low to the point of going to knock on doors of people whose level is too low to them.
Most of their children hate them so much that many of them have become apostates always speaking against the organization and writing different articles just to malign the religion that doesn't allow their parents to pass over such wealth to them.

Who will tell you all these stories?

Well you are free to choose whatever you want to believe it's a free world!

FxMasterz:
Open a thread on my friends, then we'll discuss them too. You're free to open a thread on me and discuss me too. This thread is a JW thread. I can't be discussing my friends. That's derailment. But you could see that I once challenged Achorladey for calling insulting you by always referring to you as madness and insanity peddling brains. Didn't you see that? He justified his stand by referring me to a first aggression from you where you called him all manner of names including asínwín. He uploaded screenshots as proof.
So, please you have not proven that I have been insulting you.

Obviously you don't know Maximus!

I don't open threads just to talk about anyone na dem dey follow me back to back as for me my presence here is to preach the Good News of God's kingdom!

FxMasterz:
Maxindhouse, Aemmyjah, Janosky, Michael547, Cornelboy, please tell us what your reactions would be if you see a similar document indicating that Winner's Chapel, Redeemed Christian Church of God, Deeper Life, Nigerian Baptist Convention, Four Square Gospel Church, Assemblies of God or any other church owns shares in a company producing weapons of mass destruction?.

I have told you the simple explanation behind such investments but you just won't listen.

Pastors invests the money collected from their members to build schools and universities whereas the common member who is part of those contributing the money can't send their child their.

So Jehovah's Witnesses had no investments rather it's converts who willed their shares to Watchtower that's the cause of such benefits and they know that it will help their brothers in poor countries.

For instance Jehovah's Witnesses don't buy Bibles, and other publications you see in our hands, how do you think the organization is covering such huge expenses?
During COVID-19 i received food stuffs only to know that it's our rich brothers in America and other lands that organized it.
So if you keep arguing that investors deliberately sends out enemies against their own products it will only make sense before an enemy of truth reasonable people will just look at the matter and walk away.
That's why you're not seeing people coming to support what you're carrying as if you've seen something incriminating against God's organization!

Aemmyjah:
Fxmasterz is far gullible that a fish
Let him continue

CJStarz has given him a heavy blow with the sudden turn around.
Now he wants to prove that i've been the one insulting him all along whereas he is just here to support any accusations against Jehovah's Witnesses!

FxMasterz:
When you see someone who can lie freely, deny evidences without remorse, disparage the Bible to establish men's doctrines, have conflicting views on the same subject matter

All of these is what your friends here are doing yet you sweep everything under the carpet as if their own no matter.
So if you can do that then how can you truly know who is lying?

Open your heart and question everyone around you not just directing all your energy towards one side because by doing so you will judge wrongly.

Now face the fact.
Courz said JEHOVAH is the name of a demon.
Ask him if he has repented of that.
Then oteneaaron who said humans created God is here, face him and ask what he meant by that.
He also claimed that Jesus never existed all these you swept under then you want to claim Jehovah's Witnesses are lying because they don't agree with you.

Is that not the height of hypocrisy?

CJStarz:
As e be so, anyone wey talk talk anyhow about you go collect from me😂

Haaaaaaaaaaa! no be so my friend.

We are used to their kind! Matthew 5:11-12

What i won't take from them is accusing God's organization yet unable to present their own church!

FxMasterz:
I've gone through and couldn't see anywhere where I insulted you. Can you bring them out for me?

Check these:

CJStarz:
Those people can be so unforgiving.
Bitter souls.
Have them as neighbours and colleagues

Above is his first comment on the thread but i discovered he's open minded just like a first century Jew who indirectly insulted Jesus but Jesus noticed how kind hearted he is! John 1:45-46

But after much interaction this is the same person:

CJStarz:
Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.
But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check

CJStarz:
Dat @Janosky na bad example of a witness.
He lacks the attributes of a witness.
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

But what about you?

JWs are demonic, they don't have conscience, they are hypocrites, they live on blood money, as for me who engaged you:
Max is a security guard in their hall that's what he used for a living and so on.

And you are here claiming you aren't insulting people?

Come on guy, it's OK to have a contrary opinion when talking about faith but going all the way to join faithless miscreants in accusing others simply because they don't agree with you is evil!

I point out to you that Courz said JEHOVAH is the name of a demon and that oteneaaron said Jesus doesn't exist at all even claiming humans created God. All that is OK by you except JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES simply because we don't share your line of thought OK present the church that has exactly the same beliefs as you do NO WAY.

Do you expect anyone to take you seriously with all that nonsense?

CJStarz:
Blockhead like you 😂

Haaaaaaaaaaa please don't do that!

It's better you ignore him instead of making him feel bad.

Your comment about me will surely make some of them come after you now because you have added to their pain!

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

CJStarz:
Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.
But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check

CJStarz:
Dat @Janosky na bad example of a witness.
He lacks the attributes of a witness.
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

With the above you've finished them as they were desperately looking forward to say hurtful things to those speaking well of MaxInDhouse!

CJStarz:
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

When i first noticed achorladey i began studying his moves and how he responds to posts then i discovered he's so bitter about the organization so i asked him:

Are you worshiping the same God with JWs?

My intention was to see how i can help him if he says NO and if he say YES i will ask him how he's coping with Jesus' order that we should go out, make disciples, teach and baptize them.

But to my shocking surprise the guy couldn't give a straightforward answer!

So i angrily told him he's mad!
How can you be so passionate about a group always on the forum to speak against them and support whatever evil anyone says against them but you can't even answer if you're worshiping the same God with them?

But later i decided to go through his profile just to see how he started on the forum my guy, my guy i shed tears when i saw the same achorladey defending God's organization!

So what happened along the way?

He must have been a victim of the bad eggs in God's organization and instead of him to focus on his own journey his selfish desires led him astray now he's always supporting the same set of people who were criticizing him back then.

Can you imagine that one of them actually laid a CURSE on this brother that he won't last among JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES and that in few months he will be excommunicated?

From that very day i stopped exchanging hurtful words with him because i know he was once my brother but fell off from the race to everlasting life.

Try to engage him and see if he believes in God or Jesus again after leaving God's organization you will discover he has lost everything! Matthew 12:43-45

CJStarz:
Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.
But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check

CJStarz:
Dat @Janosky na bad example of a witness.
He lacks the attributes of a witness.
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

Hmmmmmmmmmm that's what i've been telling you all these while.

True Christianity is like an hospital just as Jesus said that he didn't come for those who are hail and healthy but those who are spiritually sick! Matthew 9:12-13

Have you ever been to an hospital before?

Well if you do try to notice how patients are responding to treatment and you will discover that they're not responding at the same pace while some will not even respond at all.
So when i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses i have come across some individuals who are even worse than the worst kinds of people I knew back then in Islam.
What kept me among Jehovah's Witnesses till today?
You have said it all:

"They have the GOOD NEWS of God's kingdom"

So i never allowed individual flaws of members to distract me rather i focus on what i was looking for: the religion that's doing God's will!

Today i'm one of the overseers in the congregation but what if i told you that after getting the sense of the fact that they have the Good News it took me more than two decades before i dedicated my life to Jehovah and got baptized as one of them?

Why do you think it took me so long a time?

Well i wanted to be 100% sure that i've found God's organization despite the flaws imperfect humans who are there may have.

Today i can explain in details to anyone who cares to listen that God has just one organization of worshipers:

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Aemmyjah:
But he's ashamed of mentioning which part of Christendom he affiliates himself with. All of them can't mention

JEHOVAH'S Organization stands tall above all so they're ashamed to mention their house.

It's like someone condemning a huge mansion housing people of different tribes and inside the house they're living together as one family but those who can't cope with the criteria to be there left and started complaining bitterly outside so the homeless man joined the wailers mimicking whatever they say about the gigantic mansion but when you ask him:

Please where do you live so that i can pack my things and stay where you live?

He gets provoked!

WHY?

Himself and those who lost their former homes have become fugitives so they're all crying to see everyone become homeless!

CJStarz:
This is is someone who has related,worked and lived with members of your sect.
Thanks for quoting me.

If you happen to live in the first century Jewish community and after hearing about Jesus you later hard that one of his closest confidants sold him out for money, another denied him publicly when the rest ran away and abandoned him, then you also heard of one member who is sleeping with his father's concubine will you still see anything good about Jesus' teachings?

Note that there were thousands of religious teachers (Rabbis) in Israel each with his own philosophy but they were all relating one way or another with the laws of Moses when Jesus declared:

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" John 14:6

Would you still see anything worthwhile in the assertion after considering the way his friends (whom he TAUGHT primarily to go and teach others) treated him and others?

Will you allow any of his disciples to sit you down with the motive of TEACHING you the way of holiness?

Well that's exactly what happened in the first century, they were not some holy looking and perfect guys rather they committed a lot of blunders so if you want to know what honest hearted people found in the scriptures before accepting their teachings {Act 17:11} you will marvel it wasn't some perfect miracle performing guys with no blunders o!

Janosky:
Galatians 2:11-14.
Luke 5:8 " Lord, depart from me because I am a sinful man",
Oga, did Peter the apostle stop messing up?
Komot your fallacy from this thread.
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Oga,just carry your IBERIBEISM komot from this public forum.

Oh Janosky my brother, it's not all who have lost the race some are just not seeing things clearly so such ones needs tender affection! 1Peter 3:15