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AbuTwins:
Ishmael is the first born of Abraham!
So whatever they like make them write!
We believe in Ishmael and Isaac both as Prophets of Allah!
We believe Jesus too was a Prophet of Allah after John and before Muhammad!
May the peace of Allah be on them all!

Muhammed is no part of God's prophets his people can patch him along with Israelite prophets in their own story book but since he is not a descendant of Jacob then he's out as in on his own!

What God said in the Bible is that He is the God of Abraham the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob (Israel) from this we know why no prophet has been raised from other children of Abraham and other child of Isaac because God stated clearly where He is going regarding prophethood!

AbuTwins:
The salvation of the Muslims during Jesus's time and in those 570 years does not depend on Jesus's death or resurrection!
Even if they believed Jesus died or not it doesn't matter!

So Muslims have nothing to do with Jesus!

AbuTwins:
Muhammad's legacy still exists in Saudi Arabia!
Israel only inherited the violence of the Old testament! The Qur'an existed during Muhammad's era! He did proof-read it many times! The Bible especially the NT was written mostly by unknown figures decades later after Jesus! Israel has more Muslims than Christians in population! How can you compare?

Guy prophet nah prophet as long as some people believe in them.
So it's your own opinion that disqualify others not a general view applicable to everyone.
If you want to claim that Muhammad is also a prophet of God then no discrimination all those claiming prophets are also prophets in their own realm!

Nah them go patronize am.
Church yapa for town!

AbuTwins:
Confusion is when you have several translations of the Book called Bible through the ages! Many people have died believing the falsehood discovered now!
Jehovah had to keep people in error right?

Your muhammed was born 570 years after Jesus so if your Allah could wait till then before sending your muhammed then there's no need querying Jehovah for waiting till now!

AbuTwins:
I can't even compare Jesus to all those you are comparing to our Prophet!

Guy they claim prophet too so if you don't want to compare them with Jesus then don't compare your muhammed with Jesus. Period!

AbuTwins:
The ones that had migrated to Arabia will write the story in Arabic and you'll now add it to your Hebrew Bible? Make it make sense!

That's their own story it has nothing to do with the Israelites and if they do you supposed to have it as the genealogy of the Ishmaelites the Israelites have their own twin brother Esau the Edomites so how do you expect them to cross that one and start thinking of Ishmael?

AbuTwins:
God is not the author of confusion!

You don't know the meaning of confusion!

You think translators having issues with what was written is confusion?

Guy confusion is when what you believe failed to unite your fellow believers under one so called "GOD" as long as there is fighting and killings among those claiming worshipers of the same God then there's no evidence such a God exist in the first place!

AbuTwins:
So because your Bible writers and historians stopped writing about Ishmael at some point then Muhammad is not an Ishmaelite?
The Jews won't follow up on Ishmael since Muhammad came after Jesus. The Bible has been written and completed before Muhammad so he is not expected to be in your Bible.
So why is the country of Muhammad still strongly Islamic and Jesus's country was never for once Christian?

Ọmọ Japan is still Buddhists, India is still Hindu so that doesn't mean Buddha and Krishna are from the true God jọọ.
If Ishmael was part of God's plan the Israelites aren't the ones to keep record of him it's his own descendants who later bore your prophet that supposed to do that the Israelites have no business with your muhammed nah?
They never kept any record of Esau's children who are their real brothers through Isaac so it's Ishmael's descendants they will keep.
Ọmọ use your brain nah!

AbuTwins:
You are always thinking south! Muhammad has related the message and his companions admitted he completed the message to them before he died! His country of Saudi Arabia still remains largely a Muslim country today! Which country exists as a Christian country today?
Muslim nations can fight for politics, to defend their sovereignty and many other reasons which may or may not be related to Islam. How is this Muhammad's fault? Is Israel's fight related to Jesus? Abi which kind IQ be this? Muhammad has completed his message! This is a lie! Jesus died a Jew! He never established anything called Christianity!
Till the end he was worshipping his God by putting his face on the floor in prayer! So na JW start this about 100 years ago leaving people to have been perishing for about 1900 years? What sort of Jehovah is that? You started your own cult, created your own translation of the Bible, HQ in US with the Governing body giving you rules as God gave Moses rules! Of course we don't have a cult like JW!

Funny Muhammeddan!

How come Muhammad claimed he is God's prophet to start another religion after almost 600 years that Jesus the last prophet left?

So far your muhammed can't meet up with that criteria then all other people claiming prophets like T.O Obadare, T.B Joshua, Odumeje and the rest are also prophets of the same God.

Do you agree?

SheikhMuniru:
Paito MADinDHouse Jesus didn't know your religion kiriyo

That's what those alfas told us back then but Jesus is from Israel not Saudi Arabia so those alfas can't determine what Jesus know or doesn't know.

Reflect7:
When the whites forced their religion on you,

Today i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses, before i was a Muslim my parents were Muslims too so i can't speak for my parents because i don't know how they became Muslims but as for my faith today i was the one who treated those that brought it to me harshly they are very polite and humble that's why i was moved to embrace their message.

That's the same thing i think you should do for now you're not a ruler so you can't force anything on anyone you will only continue to insult them and getting insulted too!

MrPresident1:
I saw it cavorting with you on that thread where we were bantering
But he has become a drone now is it your drone?

If you want to crack jokes please find your mate i'm not interested!

honesttalk21:
Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him,

How can there be peace with a teacher whose students are always fighting and killing one another?

If his message and teaching failed to make peace work among his followers do you think he is a true prophet?

Each time you people say PEACE (SALAM) it's really funny when there is no peace among you.

Politics and Racism easily split your people like Cracker biscuit the only thing that you're doing together is bowing towards the black stone in Mecca apart from that you people have nothing specific that unite you as PEACEFUL FAMILY yet you keep saying peace be onto the man who taught you people such a fruitless thing.

To any sane person that's the height of deception it's better to worship the stone in my town (Olúmọ rock) since there's nothing special!

AbuTwins:
Divine Guidance, Role models, Bearer of Glad Tidings and Warnings, Intermediaries with God, mission of unity and Justice, etc.
Guidance, Call to Worship, Establish Justice, Warn of Consequences, Community Building, Revival of Spiritual Values, Spread of Divine Message, Reformation and Guidance, etc.

With the above muhammad failed woefully!

There is no unity and justice among Muslims that's why there is WARS between Muslim nations so Muhammad is not a prophet!

Let's talk about the Israelite prophets.

They had those who are faithful and obedient so there's no dispute among those following what the prophets of God says.

Jesus of Nazareth established Christianity by his teachings and warned that Satan will mislead many yet they will be claiming Christians (followers of Christ) so how are we going to IDENTIFY those following Christ?

They will be united, there will be no division among them, worldly politics can't divide them and they will be known globally as messengers of Godly peace.

Do you have something of that nature in your Islam today?

AbuTwins:
Where it is today!

So what happened to them in the Bible?
Keturah no dey Qur'an!

They have no share in the covenant just as billions of Adam's descendants don't have a share so God has a chosen lineage that's what the Bible focused on not just stories about the lineage of Abraham otherwise Noah who lived before Abraham also had children and God did not make any covenant with Noah's children so why must some miscreants start claiming that they are descendants of Ishmael and therefore what the Bible God promised Abraham belongs to them whereas after Ishmael no story followed up with his lineage.

So how can some settlers cook up some false narratives and expect honest hearted people to fall for their story?

The fact remains that since there was no follow up with Ishmael just as there was none with the other six sons of Abraham it's clear that God never has any prophet from those children!

AbuTwins:
You refused to answer any of the questions!
Are you pained so you quickly pithed the Qur'an against your Bible, no be Qur'an case i bring here grandpa? I was thinking you'll say you NWT is the best and prove it.
Were there mistakes in NWT just as the KJV?

Stories copied and recopied surely must have errors most especially when some copyists are TRANSLATING the message so that's inevitable unless there's something you want to hide.

AbuTwins:
The son's of Keturah and Keturah didn't move to Arabia! Only Hagar and Ishmael did!
And their generations are the Arabs aka Ishmaelites!

What is Arabia?
Anywhere they move to supposed to be okay after all they are also descendants of Abraham!

AbuTwins:
Where's your truth?
Do you mean all Children of Abraham must produce offspring or that only one of them should always continue the Prophethood line?

First of all what is the essence of prophets?
What should a prophetic message accomplish?

If you know then we can talk about who is and who is not a true prophet!

Errors in translation shows sincerity on the part of those handling the book but as for your Quran thousands has been killed yet there is no oneness in your religion politics is still making you people to kill one another.
God's promise is that His message will bring about peace among worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} if there's no global group with such a result it simply means your Quran is FAKE!

AbuTwins:
No children of Ismael are found in the Qur'an since none of them were Prophet till Muhammad! Allah chose Muhammad from Ishmael's lineage!

That's the lie!

AbuTwins:
Why the discrimination against Hagar and Ishmael by Jehovah?

Abraham had eight sons because after the death of Sarah he married Keturah and she bore six sons for him {Genesis 25:1-2} why aren't those ones also claiming they should produce prophets?
Those Arabs are liars!
That's the truth!

AbuTwins:
Na your Governing Body brainwashed you o!
You are an elder and please don't think like a kid! No Muslim think less of any Prophet, this you know well. You don't believe in the last Prophet but we do believe in them all!
We have no business with Israelites. Those who believed in God among them will get their reward from God! And yes we speak Arabic that's why the Qur'an and Hadith are still preserved till today unlike the Bible. JW had to create their own Bible! Assuming you guys could learn Greek and Hebrew which Jesus didn't speak and your scriptures was written in! Make it make sense! God had a covenant with Abraham. Abraham had Ishmael as his first son. He and Ishmael built the foundation of the Kaaba! You can't hear of any Prophet or the Jews wrote whatever they wished to write!
Na so that JW elder won fight me like this when i told him i be Muslim!
He said na Abraham caused all this trouble!
He couldn't blame Jehovah for approving the fertilization of Ishmael!
He for beat Abraham if he sees him!
Na that kind vex dey your body too!

You're just eager to respond no sense in what you're saying!

If God chose Ishmael then how many children of Ishmael are prophets of God whose names are found in your Quran?

johnw47:
the names i call you are true.

Same here!

AbuTwins:
I agree your Jehovah is discriminatory but not Allah!

It's not about discrimination rather it's about orderliness so that some miscreants won't cook up lies and start claiming they're also part of the arrangement.
The reason God chose Israel is for that nation to serve as example to others that's all whoever chooses to become a worshiper of that same God is welcomed as long as you follow His arrangements.
Your muhammed has no business with Him so get that straight otherwise all other nations supposed to produce prophets to it shouldn't be only Israel and Saudi if you don't want it to be discriminatory!

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max
you ran away from this like you run away from what is said in many posts
changing the subject, don't you oh fearful one:
rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

That's the point!

If you and i never agreed on the same belief it's wrong calling me names simply because i choose to differ in faith.

So from the look of things your brother who chose to differ from you should be left alone just as you're supposed to leave the JW since we differ in faith but you're so obsessed with JWs that you want to set standards for us even though you and JWs aren't on the same page.

Can you imagine telling me what a JW should or shouldn't say publicly as if nah you be my teacher or brother in faith!

johnw47:
Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool
lost false jw mad max
of course a Jehovah's witness would never tell everyone about his and his wife's sex life
oh deluded false jw.

You see the problem with your brain now?

You're so obsessed with what someone said about his life that you now choose to be the judge over what people should or shouldn't say whereas you and i don't belong to the same faith.

And what's more you're still the one going on with name calling even when i decided to stop so who is the devil now?

AbuTwins:
Why do i need to know every Prophets when they are not sent to my nation?
That's your own Jehovah that restricts himself to Israel! Muhammad is from the lineage of Abraham whether JW like it or not!

You see the lies they used in brainwashing you?

They told you God can choose prophets from any nation to make you think less of Israelites then they introduced their own guy to you as a prophet sent by the same God and trashing all the things those prophets stands for only to turn you into their puppet speaking their language when praying, calling their guy's name and bowing towards their black stone in Mecca.
Ọmọ the true God only had a covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob so all others should follow that arrangement not that someone will come and tell me that since Abraham has many sons then all his children must produce prophets.
There were eight sons born to that man when God chose only Isaac as the child to continue with the covenant and there were two sons born to Isaac before God chose only Jacob to continue with the covenant that's why you can't hear of any prophet from the remaining children of Abraham apart from the children of Jacob who is called ISRAEL!

johnw47:
Job_15:12  Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at
lost false jw mad max
see how dum and unknowlegable you are, telling all that your wife loves to play with your dic isn't being romantic, it's disgusting to throw out there your marital sex affairs, your wife even said herself that she tried it up the bum once. only deluded people believe telling all about those things is romance

Ọmọ she's still playing with it till now so what can you do about that?

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max
some people like you, well amazing things will never cease
you believe like them that you are a angel at heart, but we know by your own words that you are anything but
an angel at heart wouldn't say to all that your wife loves to play with your dic
you r very deluded false jw

So someone who is an angel at heart shouldn't be romantic shey? Songs of Solomon 4:5

Ọmọ humble yourself and learn godliness has nothing to do with your pharisaic lifestyle and man-made traditions! Matthew 15:7-9

MrPresident1:
Guy, I no dey see Michael547 again, he has become a drone

Is he your church member?