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Ohyoudidnt:
Are you for real? Show the absolute truth and nothing else

Government WILL rest on his shoulder is a prophecy that's yet unfulfilled but we can see it coming gradually as his true followers are gathering obedient people throughout the world to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Today JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have successfully gathered millions of peace lovers globally in preparation for the new government that Christ Jesus will soon start.
In fact some honest hearted individuals are saying it that if only Jehovah's Witnesses are on this planet life on earth will be a haven.

So it's you who can't see how Jesus is gradually achieving what God said about him because he said he will be with his true followers until the end of badness! Matthew 28:20

Therefore if you can see a global family making peace reign among them yet you're sticking to a religion that can't work out peace with all their book, act of worship and claims it's left to you!

Ohyoudidnt:
Does the verse or do the verses you quote exactly say sickness is a result of the sin/fall of Adam?
Or can you show where condemnation is equal to or composed of sickness?

Truth should be put side by side with falsehood that's the only way you can distinguish otherwise you will continue to lie deceiving yourself.

When God created Adam and Eve they were given a home and they lack nothing from that we can sense what God has in mind for the couple. Today mankind (their descendants) are plagued with sicknesses, suffering, and death so what happened?

Your Quran said they were driven down due to some reasons and ever since then mankind has been facing one problem or another and all these problems will end when mankind return to Aljana.

So between your religion that says the evil things affecting mankind is test from your God and the Christianity that says its consequences of disobedience of the first human pair which one makes sense to you?

Lucifyre:
Yes logic. But lets say u are right😁 right?! The interpretation is somehow according to logic that it took 150 days to dry up, 4 times the time it took to rain. 🧐🤔 But then again Gen 7: 11 and Gen 8 14 : 16 basically says it took 1 year and 10 days for the earth to dry up. So pls enlighten me with more mental gymnastics, sorry logic.

If the water subside within 150 days how long do you expect the ground to replenish for animals and humans to return to the planet for their day to day life?
Remember that all the creatures depend on whatever grows on the planet to survive {Genesis 8:6-12} while inside the ark God kept them safe by His power to sustain life! Matthew 4:4

Guy whether you like it or not some people will think intelligently to figure out what really happened as we would when investigating any case that's critical.

For 40 days rain fell nonstop and after for 150 days the water kept going down but in all it took a whole year for the planet to return to normal life. No critic can create any negative idea about this because it's what we all know about our planet regarding flooding and how it takes time to get things back in order!

AbuTwins:
Look into your corrupted scripture! Paul was accusing Cephas and others of hypocrisy!

So if Akeem confront Maliq for what the prophet taught them regarding love it means there's trouble among adherents?

Guy, you don't have to bury your head just for supporting something that's false.

Paul confronted Peter for pretending before fellow Jewish disciples that he doesn't use to eat with gentile disciples that's not hypocrisy rather fear of men the same thing he did when he was faced with the choice of declaring himself a disciple of Jesus.

So that totally differs from Muslims picking up weapons against fellow Muslims and trashing whatever their Allah says about love among believers.

There's nothing as in absolutely nothing that can make real believers pick up weapons against one another that's the message of the Bible from Genesis to Revelations.

If you read where some pick up weapons against others in our book it's not against fellow believers it's either some have turned their backs on the word of our God or fighting against unbelievers which still boils down to the same point that believers must never raise weapons against themselves.

That's where your Allah failed woefully claiming it's the same God as Jehovah in the Bible but by the activities of its worshipers it's obvious your Allah is FAKE! Luke 7:35

From now i will stop responding to your post at least i've born thorough witness to your that the Bible God is not the same as your God now you're free to continue if your conscience allows you to worship a false God.

Thanks for your time and may you have PEACE!

MrBrownJay1:
as much as i dont believe in this Religion mambo jambo, who are you thinking that you can decide what others do with their own life?
to each their own misery in life.

The blind man heard bus conductors shouting each call the destination of his own bus told the man holding his hands:
"Why can't these noisemakers be stopped?"
Abeg without the conductor's utterances how will the person guiding the blind man know the right bus to enter?

Some people just wake up from their slumber only to start making demands without thinking is it religion that's affecting you or foreign policies that's totally against your culture and traditions?
Fela Anikulapo Kuti sang:
" When we first start school~teacher be teacher#
For university~Lecturer be teacher#
When we start work~government be teacher#
Who be government teacher?~Culture and tradition#"
You trash your language, Culture, Tradition, Policies even mode of dressing only to start calling for the ban on religion that people chose freely!

Aemmyjah:
1. When is the judgment? Immediately after death or in the future?
2. What is hell? Are people being fast into the lake lof fire or later
3. The resurrection occurs immediately at death or in the future?

According to their pastors each individual will stand up before a court and start telling stories so that they will be sentenced but at the same time those who died as evildoers has been sent to Hell before the day of judgement o!
When Jesus said those who refuse to accept the message of peace with all the vivid evidences has already been judged! John 3:18
Doesn't that tell any intelligent person that the so called JUDGEMENT DAY is totally something different from what humans think?

FxMasterz:
This is Revelation 20:15

"And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. "

You mean you have changed 'lake of fire's to 'non existent'? Are you not deceiving yourself?

So lake of fire is the same as 'non existent' '?

Are death and Hell living creatures to be taken to lake of fire for tormenting?
When we tell you the meaning of scriptures you want literal meaning oya make sense out of what you're saying nah!
DEATH and HELL both conditions not part of God's purpose for mankind were thrown into the lake of fire then the Bible said the lake of fire means the second death yet you're not getting the sense.
Guy if that's what's holding you back from evil deeds you better do whatever your soul crave {Ecclesiastes 9:10} because there is no punishment after death it's either you live or you die that's the two options God gave Adam and Eve! Genesis 2:17

AbuTwins:
Jesus doesn't need to fight! Moses, Joshua, Samson and other fought for Jehovah killing His enemies.

Confused religion!
How many times do i need to tell you that those fighting were securing the place where pure worship is established?
Jesus commanded his disciples to take pure worship to all other lands so practicers of pure worship could be found everywhere therefore where do you think practicers of pure worship should fight to protect today?
The inhabitants of your Mecca today remain so quiet and liberal because they don't want their business to end yet adherents of the same religion are fighting and killing themselves claiming they're defending their countries!

AbuTwins:
Even Samson committed suicide with his enemies while having the holy spirit!

Sure! He was fighting to protect pure worship in Canaan.

AbuTwins:
Where did he claim such? Agbalagba oniro!

Thanks for confirming your prophet is not any comforter!

AbuTwins:
Elijah did not reincarnate in John!
John was given birth to and lived as John the son of Zechariah!

Nobody told you Elijah reincarnated that's simple metaphorical speech.
People do call humans like themselves names like Parrot, Slug, Cat, Dog, Cheetah, and many more based on the characters involved these people aren't reincarnate of such creatures rather its their attitude that makes people liken them to other creatures. The same is what happens regarding Elijah and John the baptist.
You can see how reasonable and logical God's word is unlike your Arab book that's only designed to make you bow towards the black stone in Mecca alone without any benefit attached!

AbuTwins:
Isaiah may have been a Prophet! But he wasn't mentioned in the Qur'an and Sunnah as far as I know! Even among the disciples there was no peace after Jesus!

The highlighted is according to your Arab book shey? Perhaps they were fighting against one another to defend their countries like Muslims does!

Lucifyre:
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You said the inspired writers never contradict themselves. I said tor. How many days did the rains falll for, you come dey talk plenty to perform tangential mental gymnastics.

Ok . pls explain this differing lengths of the rainfall in Gen 7: 17 and Gen 7 : 24. It didnt even go to a different chapter to contadict itself. lol!

The flooding continued for 40 days on the earth, and the waters kept increasing and began carrying the ark, and it was floating high above the earth. 17

And the waters continued overwhelming the earth for 150 days. 24

For forty days it rained but it took 150 days for the water subside! Genesis 8:3

Simple logic!
Ordinarily when a place is flooded with a heavy rain for a whole day it often takes more than a week for the flood to subside so that the place could be accessible like before nah!

Can you imagine the planet covered with water for 24x40 hours none stop then someone said it took up to four times the period it rained for the water to dry up and you are confused!

Aemmyjah:
This is very lovely
Very very lovely

When you meet faithless people who are claiming they believe because they want to see others suffering i laugh at them.
Can you imagine one of them said he would be evil if there is no Hellfire which means there is no love for God in him talkless of love for his neighbours what is holding him back is the threat of been tormented in Hellfire!

CaptainJune:
Faith in who? God? Please tell.

Your faith without VISIBLE WORKS is DEAD! James 2:26

Most religions do claim they are performing signs but to what avails?

What God promised as the goal of pure worship is a global family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} that's what Jesus' teachings should produce among believers in God's word.
Only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are producing that fruit today! Matthew 7:16-18
So if your faith with all your signs can't work out such fine WORKS then it's useless! Matthew 7:21-23

FxMasterz:
Everyone dies, including the righteous, but only sinners die the second death because that's the wages of sin.

Death is the wages of sin means whether you're righteous or not since you inherited sin through Adamic sin you must pay the price.
That's the FIRST death.
But the SECOND death only things God doesn't have in his purposes will DIE.
For instance DEATH and GRAVE (Hell) aren't part of God's purpose so they must return to non-existent {Revelations 20:14} and as for those whose names aren't found in God's memory book for a remembrance of their fine WORKS will also return to non-existent! Revelations 20:15

That's the import of what you're reading!

Lucifyre:
Simple question u running mouth like tap😄. You cant even get ur story straight.

You see your problem?

Different books from different races told stories and after considering it all i agreed with one as the real truth of the matter so it has now become my story shey?

AbuTwins:
The context of Isaiah 6 shows no Jesus but Isaiah's commission:
6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar. 7 With it he touched my mouth and said, “See, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away and your sin atoned for.”
8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”
And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”
9 He said, “Go and tell this people:
“‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’
10 Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.”
11 Then I said, “For how long, Lord?”
All these are mere theories from the Governing Council of Jehovah witnesses in USA. They are usual false foretelling that do not apply!
Those verses were never about Jesus but can be related more to Muhammad !
Jesus died on the cross unlike Moses! Also Moses was not to save people with his blood! Moses married and commanded a nation like Muhammad! They were both involved in many Physical wars! Moses and Muhammad were raised by other than their parents!
It's the same thing! John 3:16 God gave him to be sacrificed! Don't lie grandpa!
Jesus supports murder!
Which knee dey bow? And why are the words in bracket?

Do you believe Isaiah?
How come your religion failed woefully to make peace reign among adherents nah? Isaiah 2:4

Ohyoudidnt:
Simple evidence of a verse clearly stating sickness will spare you all this adventure to prove what isn't.
In any case it's your conviction.

No matter the verse quoted i know people who are deeply rooted in the religion of their parents like you all you're doing is supporting your parents religion.
I quote you argue, i gave you logical reasoning you turn back to quote.
Which means you're just deceiving yourself.

Can you prove your own religion with logical reasoning?
NO!
It's whatever your Arabian Allah say whether it's reasonable or not!

Ohyoudidnt:
There's nothing to get. Clearly in the observed records when Jesus existed government didn't rest on his shoulder.

OK you believe some part of what he said that suits your religion but ignored those that expose your religion shey?
Continue!

AbuTwins:
He said he came to make war! And we have proven his dad has sword! He even told the disciple to get swords Luke 22:38. Probably the church fathers didn't include Jesus's war in the compiled New Testament!

I wonder why your muhammed refused to tell you people how Jesus fought with sword after all he misconstrued all other stories to suit his agenda but forgot to include where Jesus used sword against his enemies!

AbuTwins:
Of course when you own people fights you you should turn the other cheek to them!

I thought your prophet claim he is the comforter sent by Jesus?

AbuTwins:
What does "in the likeness of" mean?
Can't he come of his own?

That's the essence of fulfillment of prophecies someone will prepare the way for Jesus and its someone who will be like Elijah in lifestyle!

CaptainJune:
A complete departure from the truth as South is from the North. You JWs deny the power of God through the manifestations of the Presence and gifts of the Holy Spirit making your gathering a cemetery for the living, you deny the reality of the afterlife as the dangers of ignoring it...something the Bible has consistently mentioned, you deny the Word of God itself and support the perversion of the truth yet you have the guts...the guts to expect an eternity with the Almighty Father whom you have denied. It is the guts for me.

With whatever you have try to make a global family of peace loving worshipers as promised in the Bible that faithful people will do in the last days because Jehovah's Witnesses have fulfilled that today! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

So your faith without such fine WORKS is DEAD!

AbuTwins:
So Jesus was speaking to Jewish children only and not to Nigeria Children like you right? Or when did you become Jewish?

Guy i'm a grandpa if i was one of Jesus' contemporaries i supposed to be like his dad so he can't refer to me as babies that should come to him.

AbuTwins:
You mean Jesus told a lie in those verses? Jesus's father had a sword in Zephaniah 2:12. Jesus may have inherited it.

Did he raise a sword throughout his life?
Guy he's not your muhammed who was using swords to defend himself from his own people o!

AbuTwins:
So what's the Governing council of Jehovah witness's point of view on the Elijah-John the Baptist matter?

They are Jesus' disciples so John is the prophet who will come in the likeness of Elijah not Elijah himself!

Ohyoudidnt:
The verses you shared didn't explicitly say sickness or is sickness now synonymous with condemned?

Before God condemned Adam and Eve was there a reason for them or their children to fall sick?
Perhaps your Allah just chose to test people with bad bad things shey?
Well sicknesses came along with condemnation that's why God promised He will hear the prayers of those who make it to Paradise under Christ's reign! Jeremiah 31:34

So suffering, sicknesses and death came along with the condemnation at Genesis 3:17-19

Ohyoudidnt:
If the Messiah spoken of in Isaiah 9:6-7 is your Jesus please explain the emboldened?
6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this.

When Jesus returns to take over authority from all human rulers he will destroy them and establish his own righteous rule forever! Daniel 2:44

His disciples were confused when he didn't do that after his resurrection {Act 1:6} he made it clear to them that the warning must go round the earth for mankind in general to humbly accept his counsel and surely individuals from all over the earth will come out from their own race and become his disciples {Act 1:8} it's after this that Jesus will return to exterminate all those who refuse to accept his authority as preached and taught by his disciples! Luke 19:27

Do you get it now?
So don't think because Jesus never started ruling back then it wasn't him that Isaiah was referring to, everything must follow due process in a logical sense!

AbuTwins:
The children Jesus was commenting on had no faith about Jesus too! They are kids!

They are Jewish children so they had faith in the Messiah because the law says their parents should teach them all what is found written in the scriptures! Deuteronomy 6:5-7
Meaning they've been taught by their parents to have prior knowledge about the coming Messiah! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

AbuTwins:
Jesus said:
Luke 12:51
Do you think that I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I tell you, but division.
Matthew 10:34
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Oya reinterpret am!

That's idiomatic expression because he never raised any sword so it simply means his teachings will cause a division among the Jews as some will not accept it and that may lead to serious dispute involving killings which actually happened later!

AbuTwins:
That's what it looks like!

From your own point of view!

CaptainJune:
Should I say that you not mentioning that Death and Hades gave up their dead is an oversight? It is like calling prisoners out to appear at their trial. If the prisoner was really, factually non-existent where would be the need to summon him? In that case, where were the dead before their sentencing to the Lake of fire? You say that hell means the grave and that those who are dead know nothing but in this Scripture we see the dead being judged. I thought you said the dead know nothing so how come they are being judged?

There are two categories of dead people to be resurrected:
RIGHTEOUS ~ Ancient servants of God who lived and served God faithfully throughout their lives.
UNRIGHTEOUS ~ Unbelievers who lived by their God's given conscience without knowing God's laws. Act 24:15

Both will be brought back to life and Christians who never died {John 11:25-26} along with the Christians who resurrected first {1 Thessalonians 4:16} will start teaching all these people the law of Christ that's the time Satan will be imprisoned {Revelations 20:1-3} during all those 1,000 years there will be no religion to stand against the JWs globally as we will teach all resurrected once undisturbed for 1,000 years how Christ want the earth to be a peaceful planet under his rule as the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 2:2-4} it's after mankind has become perfect that Jesus will now release Satan to go about with his last effort to tempt not imperfect humans this time around but perfect humans!
At that time the blood of Jesus can't save anyone again because it was meant to save the imperfect descendants of Adam not perfect humans so whatever anyone chooses to become then will be the basis for judgment against each person. Revelations 20:11-13

At that time there is no more death nor graveyard {Revelations 20:14} because nobody will grow old, get sick or die under Christ's reign! Isaiah 33:24

So after Satan's final test whoever failed to put faith in the teachings of Christ and live accordingly will be destroyed for good along with death and graveyards there will be no such things again. Revelations 20:15

That's the meaning of the Lake of Fire!

CaptainJune:
Meekness as a quality will not save you.

Go and ARGUE with JESUS! Matthew 5:5

CaptainJune:
The Apostle John saw the Lake of fire. Is that not enough for you?

Second death! Revelations 20:14

CaptainJune:
Are you implying that meekness replaces the salvation of the soul?

Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you.
Seek ye the LORD, all ye MEEK of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek MEEKNESS: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger. Zephaniah 2:2-3



Blessed are the MEEK: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:5



There is no salvation for you if you're not MEEK!

@ Reflect7
If you have no answer to the questions below then know that Jesus ascended just as your gods descended!

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, so let's consider your last sentence thoughtfully.

How can people come from the sky?
Is there a place in the sky where people lives?
If so in which of the planets?

Ohyoudidnt:
Where does this then put 1Kings 4:25 and Isaiah 38:8?

Judah and Israel lived in security, everyone under his own vine and under his own fig tree, from Dan to Beʹer-sheʹba, all the days of Solʹo·mon. 1King 4:25

Here I will make the declining shadow of the sun on the stairway of Aʹhaz go back ten steps.”’” So the sun went back ten steps on the stairway that it had already descended. Isaiah 38:8

Which of these two agrees with the promises of God that the Messiah will establish righteousness forever? Isaiah 9:6-7

Aemmyjah:
You're not serious
It was our first parent that sold us into sin
Emwe received death, sickness, pain a d other

He wants to use REASONING to explain their book when it's totally impossible to do so their religion never gave room for reasonableness.

Imagine saying their Allah was using evil things to test people abeg for what reason?

CaptainJune:
Lies! The Apostle Paul had a near death experience (NDE) he talked about in the book of 2nd Corinthians 12. This was after he was taken out of the city and stoned. He was left for dead. The Apostle John's experience was an OBE (Out of Body Experience). Everything he saw or did was done by his spirit while his body was left on earth. Stop spreading lies to support your ignorance of the Scriptures.

So did he relate the experience of Hellfire?