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So in a nutshell you fabricated what you said there was no time God asked people to keep any Sabbath before the time of Israelites entering the promise land!🙂

QuinQ:
You are the one roaringly funny!😂😅🤣
Please show us where God mentioned thou shall not kill before the time of Israel or any of the 613 commandments for that matter. Better yet, show us where Sabbath was abolished or stated to be only for Jews - bearing in mind the Lord said he came to fulfill the Law not abolish it

kayjordan:
I want to know if you keep records of your faith the same way writers in the bible kept records of Christianity - that's by the way.

There was no point in time when God's servants listed the names of wealthy ones and their net worth among them.
However we keep all records of things we've been doing since the time Jesus returned as a spirit king until today!🙂

kayjordan:
The question here:
If man achieves wealth through HARD-WORK - can such man use his "Hard Earned" wealth to help the needy?
If so,
What will be the reward of the "Hard-working" wealthy man for his kind gesture?

The needy in God's word refers to individuals who wants to support God's work but are financially incapable not beggars in the streets that is why you can never ever see where a servant of God gave any beggar a dime in the Bible. If any of us becomes rich in this system of things his riches will be useful to help those who are willing to support the preaching and teaching work Jesus assigned to his faithful disciples so such funds are gathered to build Kingdom Halls, print Bibles and literatures and other things requiring money. Today if anyone wants to study the Bible the printed publications will be given to him/her freely it's whatever he/she has that will be taken as donations if he/she also wants to support financially because our God doesn't view people as important due to their riches rather what they are at heart! Luke 21:1-4 compare to 2Corinthians 9:7🙂

kayjordan:
Interesting insight!
Practically, miracles were reserved for the "chosen ones" in Israel - and seized to exist after Jesus's rejection - Hmm!
The Golden Question is why they rejected him?

*Was Jesus rejected because he was a fake magician?
*Was Jesus rejected because the people were not blind?
*Was Jesus rejected because he was a public nuisance?

The Jews as a nation rejected Jesus due to their long awaited expectations that Jesus didn't fulfill in their eyes.
God promised that the Christ will conquer all the nations {Daniel 2:44} and make them subjects to the Jews in Jerusalem where King David ruled {Isaiah 2:3; 9:6-7} so when they saw that Jesus was performing miracles like Moses prophesied the Christ will do {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} they decided to make him their king by force {John 6:15} but he rejected it because there is still lots of works to be done before God hand over the nations to the Jews.
They have to learn humility from Jesus so they can go out to other nations and declare the message of God's Kingdom {Matthew 10:6; 24:14; 28:18-20} if not the destruction of other nations can't be justified since they don't know God's program so it's after the Jews have accepted Jesus' wise counsel and move to all the nations with the kingdom message that destruction of disobedient people could be justified. In fact God said in the last days His true worshipers will be all over the earth each person discussing with his neighbor about how to please the true God and the names of those participating in this program will be written before God in heaven {Malachi 3:16} so that by the time Jesus and his heavenly armies come to destroy evildoers it's the names found in that book that will serve as means of escape for those who studied God's word with God's servants in the last days! Revelations 20:15
But the Jews were impatient they want it to happen immediately as Jesus has proved to be the Christ, even his own disciples were affected with the Jewish impatience but they were willing to do whatever it will take for them to rule with Christ when his government begins! Act 1:6-8
That is why 99.9% of first century Jews rejected Jesus leaving just few Jews to do the work Jesus assigned to all Jews. Today Jehovah's Witnesses preaching and teaching throughout the world are just fulfilling a prophecy in the Bible that millions will support those few Jews by assisting them to complete the huge task of preaching around the globe! Zechariah 8:23

kayjordan:
If one ask a true believer for a miracle from God and doesn't "demand" - and God promises to show his miracles through such believer or - better still, by Himself - what magical stunt could God possibly pull off in 21century that since last happened in 1st century?
And please don't mention people's daily physical experiences and testimonies as your God's miracles...

God never promised such a thing it started and ended with faithful servants of God in the land of Israel.

This is really funny walahi talahi!🙂

OK because God said He rested on the seventh day He commanded people also to do the same before Israelites were chosen shey?
Please show me where God mention the Sabbath before the time Israel o!🙂

QuinQ:
You are the one who never actually read and contemplate the Bible for yourself but rely entierly on your leaders interpretation of the day!
Sabbath was instituted at creation when God rested on the seventh day and blessed it (Genesis 2:2-3). It is a universal, creational ordinance for humanity and predates Israel by thousands of years.
Until Abraham no one was Jewish (Genesis 11:26).
Jesus honored the Sabbath by keeping it every week (Luke 4:16).
The disciples kept it (Acts 18:4, 11; 16:13).
It will be kept in heaven and the new earth (Isaiah 66:22-23).
The Bible presents an unbroken cycle of Sabbath observance from man’s creation to the earth made new.
The ONLY reason you observe Sunday as Sabbath is ROME, no other reason!
History records some Christians kept the pagan worship day (Sunday) in Rome and other places where the church was compromising to escape persecution and to maintain membership. As the church grew in political power it officially sanctioned Sunday keeping instead of the Sabbath. And infact today Popes and the Catholic Church point to success of Sunday Sabbath as proof that their authority and tradition are superior to the plain teachings of the Scriptures!

So you be woman sef.

Abeg shift joo!🙂

Lovelink1991:
Whether clean or not is not for you to judge. And why are you referring to me as guy. Do I look like a man in your face? Nobody is judging the priest and the level with which the man collapse into the grave cannot be for skit. A situation where you use your face to slap the casket in the grave and remain motionless is a skit. Let's be human for ones. Thank you

kayjordan:
Who are the richest JW members in 2026 and state their networth in dollars or naira?

And what has this got to do with your thread?🙂

You need to STUDY the Bible not just what you heard from religions claiming Christians!🙂

From the days of Adam till the time of Israelites in Egypt there was no single person given the power to perform any miracle.

WHY?

Because God has not chosen a nation as His own worshipers but by the time He wanted to establish Israelites as His own people God began using Moses to perform miracles.

From that time God never used someone from any other nation except Israelites to perform miracles because He wanted people from other nations to know that He is the only true God.

People from all other nations were worshiping demons so God wanted to prove that He is the only true God that is why He restricted miracles to only that nation.

The last miracles God used humans to perform was in the first century when Jesus' disciples started the work God gave all His those willing to worship Him.

So after the death of Jesus' first century disciples miracles through humans ended.

WHY?

Because the nation of Israel rejected God's only begotten Son despite all His loyalty to that nation.

Today if anyone wants to know for sure whether that same God is still working among His worshipers all you need to do is ask for what He promised not just making demands.

I thought we have passed this stage nah!🙂

kayjordan:
The issue with "Defenders of Christianity" is the inability to separate spiritual context from physical context.
If I ask a physical question - I get an abstract response that doesn't relate to current societies. How can 21st Century people work with biblical knowledge of ancient times that are too "supermanish" for a physical and secular world that has never seen any of the magic that took place in the biblical stories?

kayjordan:
What about if he grows it wisely?

That is HARDWORK!
Which means he is not lazy.
There are two types of laziness:
One who fails to use the muzzle of his hand to work and one who failed to use his brains to calculate or improve on what was given to him!

QuinQ:
Yet almost all churches have crosses.
God's commandments also say:
Remember Saturday to keep it holy. On that day you must rest and do no work.

You never studied the Bible you only joined a religion that called themselves church of Christ.
Crosses are signs of paganism and the Sabbath was given to Israelites only it's not for Christians.
If you want to know the laws affecting Christianity check what the first century disciples of Christ held seriously.

QuinQ:
Plus the other 613 commandments.
Besides, suppose your JW leaders interprete tomorrow that you'd start having images, does that mean you have stopped priducing good "fruits"?

The use of images is not just a law but principle.
God commanded His worshipers not to use images because they don't need to see an image of Him to know that He is with them.
So if you enter any of our Kingdom Halls you can't see a single image.

And as for the fruit of faith that God foretold about His worshipers in the last days read the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3 any religion that's not meeting up with that criteria is fake!🙂

Lovelink1991:
Make sure you collect your drugs before going to bed because no normal human being will say this.

Guy that's what most people does but if it's not a skit then the so called priest has offended God in secret.
For a person to fall into the pit dug as grave for someone else during burial means he is not clean spiritually.

QuinQ:
Any mam who eschews the world and even marriage and devotes his life entirely to the service of God and is so without blemish that he was voted Pope is an upright man with good "fruits"!
Catholics have exppained they don't worship the images but what the images represent. And they only have those representations because most human beings are very visual and find it hard to worship what they can't visualize.

God's commandments says:
“You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth. You must not bow down to them nor be enticed to serve them, for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation of those who hate me," Exodus 20:4-5
Catholics makes images: offense number one.
Catholics bow to images: offense number two
Yet you want to swallow their excuses shey?🙂

QuinQ:
But anyway what has this to do with "fruits"?

Jesus knew that it will be difficult for people like you to IDENTIFY the true worshipers of God since you don't know the meaning of symbolic terms used in God's word.
So to help you he said instead of arguing over words {2Corinthians 3:6} written in the Bible watch out for those producing the FRUIT of faith. Matthew 7:16-18

In Jesus' day the religious leaders said Jesus was lying just as you are saying now because they don't understand God's word. Yet none of them could produce a group doing what God foretold His worshipers will do when the Messiah is around!🙂

kayjordan:
So who are these true servants and what types of riches are you talking about?

Read the Bible quotations first and see what Jesus said.

Moreover Adam was the richest of all men because everything on planet earth was handed over to him {Genesis 1:28} but Jesus is the richest of all Jehovah's Witnesses because God gave all things to him! Matthew 28:18; Colossians 1:15-16

kayjordan:
Let me put this way; JW member gets a windfall amount of millions either through inheritance or merit award...
Would it still be right for such member to be rich?

Inheritance is not what makes people rich but hardwork!
If the son of Dangote inherit the wealth of his father but refused to work hard the riches will go!🙂

kayjordan:
Therefore, a JW believer must be modest - yet Bible verses would say - "for man shall be blessed with riches"... as prosperity pastors often highlight.
So, what's your definition of "riches" in this context?

The riches mentioned in God's word has to do with spirituality knowing the will of God and doing it.

So only true servants of God are rich not people accumulating material possessions! Matthew 6:19-21; Luke 12:16-21

kayjordan:
So if one (JW member) wins a lottery and becomes a millionaire - what would such member be advised to do with the money?

LOTTERY?🙂

Ọmọ we true Christians don't go into gambling it's robbing Peter to pay Paul so greed led unbelievers into such habits, what our God appreciates is HARDWORK! 🙂

QuinQ:
Not everything needs interpretation.
The Pope is a very holy and upright man who has devoted all his life to God. That is his "fruit'. Still, if he interpretes the Bible to say to bow to graven images, that's still a LIE!

You have repeated the highlighted i thought you were joking but it seems you are serious about it.
Please to which God is a Roman Catholic Pope devoted?🙂

Ọmọ Roman Catholic Pope are pagans o if you don't know it's time to know.

Because they carry the Bible doesn't make them worshipers of the Bible God as long as they worship images they are pagans according to the Bible! Exodus 20:1-3

QuinQ:
So also with JW saying the Bible says there's no lake of fire of eternal tirment. A lie is a LIE - regardless of what fruits you or your group happens to be producing!

Are you talking about the meaning of Lake of fire or if there is nothing like that?
Come on JWs believe there is like of fire but it means something totally different from what you people think!🙂

Jesus said it's by their fruits! Matthew 7:16

So you can't know whose interpretation is a lie when you ignore Jesus' wise counsel.
Those teaching you what God never had in mind as they don't have the spirit of God to interpret the Bible are the liars not those producing the FRUIT of faith.
That's what you failed to understand!🙂

QuinQ:
That has nothing to do with lying about what the Bible says. The Pope may be the holiest and most upright person on earth but if he says the Bible says to bow to graven images, that's a LIE. One thing has nothing to do with the other. A lie is a lie regardless of how righteous or holy the person or group telling it happens to be!

kayjordan:
In other words people should not help the needy if they have the capacity to?

NO!
You don't need all the money in the world to render help so whatever you can do within your capability is welcome by our God.

kayjordan:
Also what should be ones motive to work hard and become rich?

Our God doesn't rule out hardwork {Ephesians 4:28} so our hardwork is to survive not stop up treasures {Matthew 6:19-21} thinking it will save us in the evil days! Matthew 12:16-21

kayjordan:
One thing one should know is that, being "Holy" isn't sustainable but being "natural" is permanent.

Holiness is pursued by those willing to please God while those pursuing selfish cravings has no business with our God! Leviticus 19:2; 1Peter 1:16

kayjordan:
What about one who acquires riches on earth and uses it to help others? Has one done wrong for chasing wealth to help mankind?

There is a difference between hardwork and desperation for wealth. Satan is watching each person to know our weaknesses {1Peter 5:8} what did Judas Iscariot said when a lady poured a costly perfume on Jesus' feet?

He said such a thing should be sold so that the proceeds could be used to help the poor. John 12:3-5

Lesson!
God feeds the birds of the air without your help so He knows what to do regarding the poor there is no need to hide under the pretext of helping the poor while you are in love with material riches! Luke 18:18-23

You have many schools of thought that claims they are interpreting God's word for their followers.
Jesus said:

By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Matthew 7:16-18

So if any group is LYING about God's word regarding how they interpreted it you can't know if you reject Jesus' wise counsel to look out for what that group or religion produces out of people they gather.🙂

QuinQ:
Like I said before, it's okay to believe what makes sense to you without commenting on or twisting what the Bible said. It is quite another thing to go about LYING and TWISTING about what the Bible said. Example, believe a loving God would not have hell - but don’t LIE that the Bible said there is no hell. Another example, the Bible clearly says don't make any images. Catholic and other churches make images - but you don't see them lying or twisting that the Bible doesn't say what it clearly says!

It wasn't an illustration but real life story.
We see people the way God see them so when i said many Jehovah's Witnesses were once hardened criminals it doesn't mean all those who passed through our spiritual hospitals responded positively to treatment most of them actually returned to their former ways of life but then they have had a fair share of what God promised all humans which is opportunity to get help. So it's no longer God's fault or nature but the type of person they chose to be after having the chance to make a wise choice!🙂

kayjordan:
Interesting illustration!
Certainly, people will learn from their mistakes because life is a teacher from a philosophical perspective.
The funny thing - some people often forget what they learn - NATURE.
When one doesn't know why he's in a rehab center - you said: the effort of all those who took him there is wasted - is synonymous to a "wasted time trying to convert a Supermarket Theif".

kayjordan:
A man's brain is fixed and molded. Even alcoholics that go to rehab, can return to alcoholics once again; even a born again Christian that gave his life to Christ, can return to a sinner once again.

Such a person never knew why he went to rehab in the first place!

I grew up hearing my grandma calling my own senior sister "jóo-jóo" which in my language means "hot-hot" though my sister doesn't like it but i just love the way grandma always repeat it like a song. So i asked grandma the meaning and she told me that while my sister was about 11 months old she loves playing with candles but grandma always run to protect her from getting her fingers burn yet my sister will cry and cry because she was deprived of playing with candles so one day my dad told grandma to allow her play with the candles for them to see what exactly draws her attention to candles.

They later discovered that it's the light that's attracting her as it looks like a flower so they allowed her to touch the light and she burnt her first finger.

From that day the little girl started calling candles "jóo-jóo"

Do you think she still needs anyone to tell her not to play with candle lights?

Well if someone doesn't know why he's in the rehabilitation center the effort of all those who took him there is wasted!🙂

kayjordan:
Your Bible chapter and verses simply mean - "Money is the root of all evils".

WRONG!
Read again:

For we have brought nothing into the world, and neither can we carry anything out. So, having food and clothing, we will be content with these things. But those who are determined to be rich fall into temptation and a snare and many senseless and harmful desires that plunge men into destruction and ruin. For the love of money is a root of all sorts of injurious things, and by reaching out for this love some have been led astray from the faith and have stabbed themselves all over with many pains. 1Timothy 6:7-10

Let your way of life be free of the love of money, while you are content with the present things. For he has said: “I will never leave you, and I will never abandon you.” Hebrew 13:5

It's not money but the love of money

Theawakensoul:
You told me not to ask “how.”
But history is literally the study of “how.”

You can't know how God's word was preserved now just as ancient Israelites can't distinguish between true servants of God and false prophets.
Back then several individuals claiming prophets were telling people different things so if you lived in ancient Israel you may be tempted to start asking:

"How come we have so many books?"

Which exactly is inspired by the true God?

Note that the false prophets two will write their own messages down to counter what God's ancient servants are saying.

So what will help you?

Focusing on who is doing God's will!

When you know God's will then there is no way you can be misled no matter how many writings are available you will know which one align with God's purpose but if you want to know how God is preserving the message or how He will preserve His message then you will condemn all the writings just as you are in fact doing now!🙂

Nollywood movie!

Perhaps he has a hand in the death of the deceased!🙂

This is why Jehovah's Witnesses have peace in our gathering while all others gather in fear! Isaiah 65:13-14🙂

Whoever is not satisfied with what he has doesn't qualify to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses:

For we have brought nothing into the world, and neither can we carry anything out. So, having food and clothing, we will be content with these things. But those who are determined to be rich fall into temptation and a snare and many senseless and harmful desires that plunge men into destruction and ruin. For the love of money is a root of all sorts of injurious things, and by reaching out for this love some have been led astray from the faith and have stabbed themselves all over with many pains. 1Timothy 6:7-10


Let your way of life be free of the love of money, while you are content with the present things. For he has said: “I will never leave you, and I will never abandon you.” Hebrew 13:5

That is how Judas Iscariot a sound Christian lost everything for not being one of Jehovah's Witnesses!🙂

kayjordan:
"Man have insatiable wants" - man can never be fully satisfied - you must continue to buy food, clothing and provide shelter for yourself - even after retirement, fear will control you and you will still want more security for the future. No matter how rich you are - if money doesn't make you ask for more - then it would be another desire that will. Adam was rich as you quoted - but he wanted more - he wanted POWER!

kayjordan:
If you ask a NATURAL BEING why he stole - given the fact that you KNOW he would lie - it would be a fantastic way to release more bandits into the society. If JW members were police officers, criminals would be glad to be arrested by you.

This is where WISDOM comes in!

Many Jehovah's Witnesses were into all these criminal activities before they dedicated their lives to our God and changed completely.
The question is:
Were they arrested? NO!
Were they punished? NO!
So what changed old personality?
It's by reasoning with them using God's word not CCTV or police.
Today most law enforcement agents do wonder how thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses gather without a single security personnel watching over us.
Well the answer is simple:
We are walking by faith not by sight! 2Corinthians 5:7🙂

kayjordan:
Even Adam and Eve, broke the law - and God didn't show mercy like a JW - he punished them accordingly.

Obviously you don't understand the story of Adam and Eve so you need to be enlightened!
Adam is the RICHEST human on planet earth married to the most beautiful girl ever, he has the prospect of indirectly controlling the planet as the one who knew the names of all the creatures both great and small, he had perfect health and all the time needed since he doesn't have to think about time.
So what is the reason why he rebelled against his God and father?
He wanted to RULE over other creatures while he becomes Independent with no one to direct him.

God has warned him not to do that but since he wants to know whether it's possible for him to cease living God let him see the consequences of rebellion.

How do you compare a pauper to Adam?
It's like comparing Tinubu's son to an homeless, fatherless and hopeless child.
Ọmọ you are far away from wisdom!🙂

QuinQ:
😅🤣😂
You know you're lying

Thinking of tormenting living creatures has never occurred to the Bible God! Jeremiah 7:31
So what is written in the Bible book of Revelations is not meant to be taken literally that is what God told Daniel:

Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand. Daniel 12:10

Despite your teachings of tormenting living creatures how many members of your churches have strong faith in Christ like Jehovah's Witnesses?

We don't believe God will roast people yet we are the only group doing the work with all our hearts.

So that's enough to tell you where the UNDERSTANDING of God's word is!🙂

kayjordan:
That definitely would tell you the reality of a natural world; not a superficial world you paint.

You want to talk about the REAL world?
Think about what condition makes people do what is wrong not just the wrong they committed.
Tinubu's child will never steal from a supermarket because the father has all the money needed to buy whatever the child wants but when you catch a pauper and sentence the fatherless to prison how does that make your world real?🙂

kayjordan:
Science is in no competition with any school of thought.

The Bible stands as only school of thought established by God!🙂

kayjordan:
Then that will be a classic example of - "Go Supermarket Theif ! - for your sins are forgiven".

Yet - you preach your God will not spare unbelievers on the surface of this earth - and will destroy them.

NO!
Our God doesn't judge irrationally.

There are two categories of unbelievers those who have not been convinced of the goodies about God's Kingdom and those who deliberately chose to be stubborn after knowing the good God's Kingdom will bring to inhabitants of planet earth.

So you see criminals only after they committed a crime but we investigate by knowing what exactly makes them steal.

Can you find Tinubu's son stealing in a supermarket?
That is to tell you your CCTV doesn't care about people for real!🙂