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Templee333:
i'm absolutely sure that you know everything while I know nothing, that is why i keep asking you to teach me.

If you are sincere why quoting and never ready to point to practical application of what you quoted?

It's either you don't believe in the Bible at all or you humbly accept correction by imitating the people who are PRACTICING it instead of arguing blindly claiming no one is practicing it that's tantamount to saying Jesus never existed because if he does there must be a group of people PRACTICING what he laid down UNDERSTANDABLY!

Templee333:
Have you ever read Mat 6:1,2?

"Take care not to practice your righteousness in front of men to be noticed by them; otherwise you will have no reward with your Father who is in the heavens. So when you make gifts of mercy, do not blow a trumpet ahead of you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be glorified by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full." Matthew 6:1-2

Gift of mercy that Jesus is talking about was it outside their community or within where they all practiced the same faith?

Ọmọ that's what JWs are practicing that's why you can't see beggars among us despite the fact that poor ones are in our midst but don't think we will carry what our own brothers contributed for the sake of their fellow believers and start giving to faithless ones like you it's meant only for the needs of faithful worshipers who are in need of support to continue running the race of life!

Templee333:
Mat.5:36 "thou canst make one hair white or black"
Does nature not teach you that the creator of man made him with beard and was satisfied that everything he made was good? Yet you JWs have waged a serious battle with the hairs in a man's face. Why is a person's beard your business? Did God make mistake in giving us hairs? Can your governing body create a single hair?

OK you've given up on giving the poor shey?

Guy i'm not here for stories what i came here to do i've done.

Nature doesn't teach that some should be poor while others are rich we should all be equal that's the only way peace and security can reign on this planet.

Farewell!

I wish you go back to what started this discussion:

What nature teaches?

It's like you've seen how difficult that is for you as you don't even know what you're saying.

Mr Nature teaches that you give the poor.

Who is comfortable with poverty so that others will always give him?
Who doesn't want to be in the shoes of the one giving and gaining favour?

Ọmọ abeg leave matter for Matthias you know nothing about nature or Jesus of Nazareth!

Templee333:
You want to talk about nature? Ok let's check Mat.5:45 that ye may be the children of your father who is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. / but you say that generosity is restricted to those who are your fellow JW only. V.48 says you should be perfect, yet you JW use imperfection every now and then as an excuse to carry out your evil intentions.

Are you now scared of quoting me?

Well we are good to everyone around us just as our God gives what is meant for everyone but when it comes to loyalty our God only gives that to His faithful servants that's why we are loyal only to our fellow believers if it's what is common that we can give to everyone that's surely what we do not our loyalty.

So present a verse where Jesus or any of his disciples give a dime to unbelievers if you truly understood what you're quoting!

Templee333:
in that case jesus was being hypocritical when he said: "give to EVERYMAN that asketh of thee"- Luke 6:30.
why was the rich man punished for refusing to help a beggar? Luke 16:23
my dear you need to know who jesus is before you start presenting him to the public. Jesus is not Anthony Moris, neither is he Geofrey Jackson or David Splane. Stop following men and start practising unhypocritical love, for that is the only way to know God. God is not found in books. God is love and without love you cannot know God.

Can't you present a single group practicing what you think Jesus said?
Or you don't think someone reasonable said such things?

Pick one!

AntiChristian:
Yes!
Our Lord no fit die!
Our Lord no get son!
Jesus is not an Angel!
Jesus is not the son of God!
Peace!

It's OK!

AntiChristian:
So na even JW?
Aemmyjah, so you GB cultist member too!
Of course sir!
You worship the Governing Body of JW worldwide!

It's OK we don't have any business with your religion after all you don't see Jesus as Lord over your faith.
Please let this slide.
Peace!

Templee333:
Hahaha! Your answers show that you don't even believe the bible you claim to defend neither do you believe the words of jesus that you claim to follow. You are still using your canal wisdom to question the words of the one you say is the son of God. If you don't take your jesus' words serious, why do u expect people to take you serious?

Point to where Jesus' disciples sold everything they had and give to beggars after all it's not apostles that initiated selling what they had it's new converts who feels like assisting their fellow believers.

Aemmyjah:
AntiChristian
Is this true?

We have no business with Muslims since they don't claim Jesus is Lord over them our focus is those who are misrepresenting Christianity:

But what I am doing I will continue to do, in order to eliminate the pretext of those who are wanting a basis for being found equal to us in the things about which they boast. 2Corinthians 11:12

So please we don't have anything to do with Muslims as it's clear that we aren't worshiping the same God with them!

Templee333:
As for giving to those who aren't your church members, please listen to jesus:
Luke 6:27 but i say to you which hear, love your enemies,do good to them which hate you. V.30- give to every man. V35- but love your enemies, and do good and lend". Acts 27:34-38- Paul fed his enemies who wanted to kill him in the ship. so Mr. Max what are you up to with this ur theory of giving to your church members alone? Who taught you that one? Please go and tell him to attend Sunday school and learn the story of the good samaritan.

Just quote where Jesus or any of his disciples give a dime to beggars.

Paul fed his neighbours who were traveling with him not beggars!

Templee333:
Luke 18:22 sell ALL that thou hast,and distribute to the poor. Verse 28: "we have left ALL and followed thee"
Luke 13:33 so likewise,whoever he be of you that fosaketh not ALL that he hath, cannot be my disciple. Philippians 3:8 I count ALL things but loss...ALL things I count them but dung,that i may win christ" Acts 4:32,34"...but they had ALL things common...for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold.

so Mr Max, what are you defending? Simply put, you are not ready to practise christianity, what you are practising is Americanism and Europeanism.

I know you're not interested in the truth after all the book in itself means stupidity to you so how on earth will you reason with what those practicing what it says does?

The apostles traveled with Jesus from towns to towns living their businesses behind that's what they meant they never sold anything as you're insinuating.
Paul was a lawyer trained to fight and defend Judaism by the Pharisees so after he has turned his back on that course what else does he have other than menial jobs to feed himself? Act 18:3
If they sold everything they had then what will they use to cater for their families?

Ọmọ it's either you present a group practicing what you're interpreting or stay on your lane since you don't believe in Christianity and as for nature it never taught that some should be rich while others are poor that's why the system is not balanced, if anyone no matter how generous he is should live with his wealth without security it's the same people he is giving that will come to kill him and steal what he has just to enrich themselves.
So until we all agree to have everything equally we aren't doing things according to nature.

For now that can't work because the government in power is promoting greed all over the earth but when Jesus begins his own rule over the earth whoever wish to have more than his neighbour can't be his subject!

Templee333:
So why ignore the cited verses?

You quoted Matthew 19:21 & James 1:27

“If you want to be perfect, go sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come be my follower.”
Jesus was telling the politician to forgo all his prominence and celebrity lifestyle in order to join Jesus' humble disciples who don't go about with security guards nor have anything to flunt.
Note that Jesus told the man to give it all away and not to keep anything for himself.

The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself without spot from the world
James is telling us to take care of our brothers and sisters and make sure we're not the cause of their misfortune in anyway.
True Christians takes care of their fellow believers and you can't quote a single verse where they give a dime out to someone who is not a member of their Faith!

Emusan:
You didn't know that before engaging my post

Meanwhile, my post is still in line with the OP.

So, here are my questions again:

Did you claim Apostles made mistakes the same way Watchtower made mistake?

Was the mistake the apostles made appears in their teachings the same way watchtower mistake full their publications?

I never engaged you because i know you have nothing tangible to offer so if you're interested in my post tell me the name of your own church or that of the OP that's the only way to resolve all these nonsense otherwise your questions are irrelevant to my post!

press9jatv:
hmm 🤔 you may be true here. I guess he realised his mistake, so he apologised immediately. He sees that he will lose much members to other church with his clueless utterances against Pastor Jerry Eze

It's not the members he has presently that matters to him but recognition.

With what just happened millions of Ghanaians have known his face so next time a crusade is held in any part of Ghana he will be called upon as one of the popular pastors.

That's Ghanaian man sense!

Sand2022:
Don't you know what JW PIMO means?

Who cares?

The fact that you're running after other religions and still not able to get one for yourself is an evidence that you're not a Jehovah's Witnesses!

Emusan:
Yet he didn't still answer my questions but just jumping around.
Here are my questions again:
Did you claim Apostles made mistakes the same way Watchtower made mistake?
Was the mistake the apostles made appears in their teachings the same way watchtower mistake full their publications?

So many people are quoting the OP and telling him what's wrong in his opinion but you left all of them to jump at me simply because of my own religion that's why i'm asking you to name the religion of the OP otherwise your questions are irrelevant!

Steep:
Abraham was declared righteous on the ground of faith.
No John1 :11 and 12 didn't say you become God's son by mastering Jesus words and actions.
John 1:12 But as many as [b]received him,[/b to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
The next verse says becoming Sons of God is not by human will, it is by God's.
John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

So can a faithless miscreant be born of God's will?

press9jatv:
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You guys don't understand the game.

He did that so as to gain popularity and now that he's popular he wants to hide under the wings of the popular pastor to start his own business on a higher level.

Dtruthspeaker:
See stupid jw demons talking bout the bible.
What did God tell Abraham? Go and see if you won't see that is the very same thing Moses repeated.

Guy your grievances is not for me if your Mama is a killer tell us because you said "WOMEN are killing God's children" and your Mama is also a woman.

So don't come quoting me up and down the forum simply because i asked you a simple question!

Dtruthspeaker:
So because your mama mass murderer so everybody mama must join your mama?

You said "WOMEN" and your mama is one of them!

Is your mama one of the women or your own mama is not a woman?

Aemmyjah:
Chai
God have mercy on us

Guy when Jesus said:

"In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you." John 14:2

And by the time his disciples witnessed him ascending upward in their presence he is still a man according to STEEP CHRISTIAN!

jesusjnr2020:
Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:
Of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words.

Alexander was criticizing God's word just as the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis did to Jesus and Jesus declared WOE upon them! Matthew 23:13-36

When Jesus prayed for forgiveness he wasn't praying for those criticizing God's word rather the soldiers executing him because they were commanded to do so and instantly God answered Jesus' prayer as one of them declared:

But when the army officer and those with him keeping watch over Jesus saw the earthquake and the things happening, they grew very much afraid and said: “Certainly this was God’s Son" Matthew 27:54

What else does he need for faith in Christ Jesus after acknowledging him as God's Son? John 3:16

Steep:
James said I will show you my faith through my works.

The law of Moses embodies every moral law, when it comes to working living the type of life God want, we are already failures.
Working for Jesus can not cover your failure, only the shed blood of Jesus can atone for your sin

You guys don't understand a single thing in the Bible!

Did Abraham live after or before the Mosaic laws?
Was he declared righteous?
On what ground was he declared righteous if he never had the mosaic laws?

Well there's nothing a Christian need in the laws given to Moses after knowing Jesus because if you can master Jesus' thoughts, words and actions you become God's son {John 1:11-12} that is what no observer of Mosaic law had!

FAITH is the assured expectation of things hoped for the evident demonstration of reality though not seen. Hebrews 11:1
WORKS is the act of exertion towards expected goals.


Paul said believers need faith not works the works he is referring to here are the mosaic laws that some first century Christians are still going back to observe whereas God has blessed some gentiles for having faith in things they heard about Christ and acted upon not their observance of the Mosaic laws {Galatians 3:26-27} Abraham was declared righteous not by observing the mosaic laws but by faithfully doing what God asked of him at that point in time {Galatians 3:8-9} whereas the scriptures laid a curse on anyone who failed to observe everything written in the mosaic laws {Galatians 3:10} so if anyone today chooses to live by the Mosaic laws he must observe the whole laws without a single one which is not possible for any of you today since you're not living in Israel neither worshiping on Saturdays (Sabbath)
Whoever wants the blessings promised to Abraham shouldn't think of works of the law rather faith in Christ Jesus and everything he taught through thought, words and actions. Galatians 3:26-29

James on the other hand is buttressing Paul's word by telling his fellow believers that just as their forefathers carry the mosaic laws on their heads to do what the law says now is the time to do all the things Christ Jesus commanded as WORKS of FAITH so whoever claims he has faith in the blood of Jesus but not ready to do the WORK Christ Jesus assigned to his disciples is a failure because such faith has no works so it's dead! James 2:18-26 compare to Matthew 7:24-27

So both Paul and James are saying the same thing:

You must back your FAITH with WORKS and the works must be things Jesus commanded his disciples not what is written in the Mosaic laws!

The world is fast changing the only solution to such problem is God's Kingdom it's not about spirituality.
According to God's word Eve first ate the forbidden fruit and later gave some to her man the symbolic tree means right to set standards for right and wrong but when God later analyzed how things should work he said the man is head (oga) over the woman just as God is oga for Jesus {1Corinthians 11:3} most women today wants to be equal with the man they are choosing as husband it's only men who are fully competent and completely equiped with God's word {2Timothy 3:16-17} that can handle such cases but then most women aren't interested in spiritually fortified men rather they want men who are domineering over others but at the same time they want such a man to make them his equal.

So by the time they set out to get themselves a husband each looks for qualities that's not in support of lasting relationships.
How can you make him feel he should dominate others but then you're his equal?

That's why God told Eve the repercussion of what she did in the garden of Eden:

To the woman he said: “I will greatly increase the pain of your pregnancy; in pain you will give birth to children, and your longing will be for your husband, and he will dominate you.” Genesis 3:16

So if a woman wants to get married today she should thoroughly meditate on these scriptures and see how she can cope with the situation otherwise even after getting married divorce is knocking at the door.

Going without food has nothing to do with pure worship but that's a topic for another day!

Aemmyjah:
Who exalted him according to the scriptures?
Is Jesus still humanity?
Remember the scriptures say that in future time, he'll hand over all authority to Jehovah so that he and all creation will remain under one sole rulership

These people only enjoy arguing with Jehovah's Witnesses it makes them feel better but go to other threads and watch how they're insulting, accusing, abusing and cursing each other on the same subject yet when it comes to Jehovah's Witnesses they will team up just to support one another as if they believe the same thing!

Emusan:
You should have first answered all my questions. So why did you boycott them?

Settle the confusion among your fellow religionists that's what the Governing Body does among Jehovah's Witnesses, if we tell you people that you're not Christians but pagans you will be prepared to insult us.
According to Jesus his disciples must be one in thought regarding their beliefs {John 17:22} and he uses the GOVERNING BODY to do that {Act 2:42} but since you people don't agree on the order set by Christ Jesus there will never be such oneness in your midst.
So face the fact or settle whatever difference is making your so called "Christians" contradict one another.
That's what makes Jehovah's Witnesses unique before you can speak sincerely about faith the first thing you have to do is single out the group that's teaching what Jesus laid down not just anxious to insult whoever demands to know such a group!