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Questionnaires:
Don't you go to church?

True Christians don't go to 'CHURCH' buildings designed for worship and nothing more rather we meet together to plan how we will do the work assigned to us as Jesus commanded {Matthew 28:19-20} and after gathering as a group we move to an assigned territory in pairs! Luke 10:1
That is the one and only true religion.
Spirituality has to do with how each of us is working zealously to make sure he preached and teaches in his territory so as to increase the number of disciples Jesus has {Matthew 25:14-30} if you read this Bible passage note how the master distributed talents (wisdom) to his slaves but how one failed to make any gain for his master.
So even though such a slave is part of religion he is not spiritual as he doesn't know what he's doing for the spirit for which they gathered as a group. Matthew 18:20

Kobojunkie:
Wow.... Jesus Christ is God's New Covenant/Will/Testament, a testament when He concluded when He declared "It is finished," on the cross, proclaiming His Word Everlasting ---Unchanging-- before He left the earth. But religion would not have that at all

If you're not ASSOCIATING with any group of people you have no business with Jesus!

He commanded his disciples to work together as a global team to preach and teach about God's kingdom in all the earth. Matthew 28:19-20

That is a religion on it's own so your inability to work with any known group or religion is a sign that you don't have anything to do with Jesus of Nazareth!

PoliteActivist:
You are conflating two types of faith - faith needed to achieve and faith needed to believe. It took faith for a contemporary of Lord Jesus to believe he was the Son of God, though they could see clearly he was a carpenter with neither money nor high connections.

Aemmyjah:
You're the atheists
Cunningly trying to create this thread
Atheists have nothing meaningful to teach
Just doubt nd confusion to enforce on others or subtly try to make them to adopt
Faith is not, was not and will never be illogical
Atheism is the definition of illogism

With the highlighted above my job is done on his thread!

At least he could refer to Jesus as "Lord" so if he wants to know what faith in Jesus means all he needs to do is ask for a free home Bible study with Jehovah's Witnesses at least he has noticed what FAITH means that it's not just laying claims but acting on what you completely trust!

isan:
Pure faith is when a pastor tell his followers he he drank tea with God and they all believed him .... I personally think it's just delusional

My guy that is not faith but self deceit!

Note that the one and only thing this man asks his audience to do is to pay for the way he has been entertaining them with his false stories {2Timothy 4:3-4} so both the man and his friends (followers) are deceiving themselves {2Timothy 3:13} he can never ever instruct them to do anything that will benefit either themselves or the society at large. WHY? Because both himself and his friends (followers) have nothing to do with FAITH which is the assured expectation of things hoped for the evident demonstration of reality even though it has not been seen! Hebrews 11:1
They are all idolaters worshiping Mammon the god of riches {Matthew 6:24} so each of them will do what makes no sense and can't be explained as long as they're interested in gaining riches through their illusion.
So that's how the love of material riches blinds people they have no faith in the true God who teaches us how to benefit both ourselves and our neighbours! 2Timothy 3:1-5

PoliteActivist:
Your quarrel is with the dictionary. See definition of faith below. Unless you invent your own language

So in what way does Paul's definition differ from what your dictionary says? Hebrews 11:1


Complete trust in someone will make you act on the instructions given by such a person and complete trust in something will make you work towards achieving it therefore FAITH has nothing to do with what happened in the past as you were trying to relate it to how creation began rather it's about your own part in supporting who or what you completely trust!

Expanse2020:
No be today we de tell una say Paul doctrine different with the Jesus own...
See the problem don come and apostle Sulaman don finally caught him

Only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES believe that Paul is a servant of God apart from us all of you are on the same page having the veil of deception blurring your sight spiritually.
No matter who you are or where you come from you have nothing to do with Jesus or the God that sent Jesus if you don't believe in Paul's teachings!

PoliteActivist:
You are conflating two types of faith - faith needed to achieve and faith needed to believe. It took faith for a contemporary of Lord Jesus to believe he was the Son of God, though they could see clearly he was a carpenter with neither money nor high connections.

You're lying to your own soul!
The word BELIEVE connotes TRUST and before you can trust someone you need a measure of understanding about the person in question.
As a Nigerian who has never heard of Israel or whatever their God has said or done Jesus has no business with me but to an Israelite who has heard all the things the God of his ancestors has done in the past and all the promises this God has made it will definitely makes no sense to meet Jesus in person and disbelief that he is the promised Christ.

So how does FAITH come into the picture?
Is it simply by saying "i believe"?
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
It's by supporting whatever the Christ says so that by the end of the day you will be counted as one of those who worked with the Christ in achieving the purpose for which God sent His Son. John 3:16
If Jesus issues an order and you failed to act in line with his orders definitely you never had faith in him as God's Son. Matthew 7:21-23
So faith on the part of the faithful still means WORKING with what you understood though others may not see the clear picture of what you envisaged! Hebrews 11:1

Steep:
you have deviated.
Is The father or Jesus that will appear?

Who appeared to Pharaoh?

Steep:
see how you are dribbling yourself.
Simple question
Is it the father or Jesus that is appearing?
So where did yahweh say he will appear to Pharaoh?

Guy God told Moses not Pharaoh just as God is using the Bible to talk to His own people not everyone.
For your information God declared that Moses will stand before Pharaoh as God while Aaron will act as the prophet {Exodus 7:1} that's why God told Moses that another prophet will arise among the Israelites like Moses who served as God and prophet at the same time! Deuteronomy 18:18

When God's word said Elijah was taken in the heavens by flying horses on fire of course all of us will doubt it because we haven't seen horses flying before on fire but today can any right thinking person who has seen a airplane argue that flying vessel is impossible?

When God's word said a prophet in the Bible to look at the wall and begin seeing what was happening inside the temple like he's watching a smart TV of course nobody living back then can believe that but do you think a primary school child today will doubt the CCTV and smart TV?

So leave things that happened in the past God has said those things happen but we will surely get there if God permits us to live forever.

There are so many things God's word told us in the Bible that sounds impossible thousands of years ago but today we no longer doubt it.

God told Moses that He suspends the earth upon nothing {Job 26:7} so the whole world could be hanging out there with nothing to support it? Even those claiming scientists back then disagreed completely because it makes no sense to them but what about today?

God told Isaiah that the earth is spherical and all it's inhabitants are glued to it like ants {Isaiah 40:22} which means some people are living on the other side of the ball where they may be in darkness while the first ones are enjoying daylight?
All these happened in the past so it has nothing to do with our faith because we never need to play any part to make it happen but do you still doubt these things today with what we know now?

Steep:
Is it the father or Jesus that is appearing?

When God told Moses:

‭‭Exodus‬ ‭3:7‭-‬8‬ ‭NIV‬‬

The Lord said, “I have indeed seen the misery of my people in Egypt. I have heard them crying out because of their slave drivers, and I am concerned about their suffering. So I have come down to rescue them from the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land into a good and spacious land, a land flowing with milk and honey—the home of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. Exodus 3:7-8

Who did the Pharaoh of Egypt saw as the one coming in the name of God? Exodus 7:1

PoliteActivist:
So tell us how you define faith. By faith one can believe an entity spoke the universe into existence some 6000 years ago. It is NOT at all wrong to believe so, but tell us how it is logical

That is not faith this is what most of you need to learn but instead of humbly listening you will start arguing blindly.

Faith has nothing to do with what has happened in the past because you have no say or power or part to play in what has happened in the past rather:
faith is the assured expectation of what we hope for the evident demonstration of reality even though we have not seen it yet! Hebrews 11:1

So if you're talking about FAITH it should involve the faithful as in the part he is playing when nobody can see what he is working towards.

For instance the Wright Brothers had FAITH that it's possible for people to travel through the air and they started working towards it until it was achieved so if you want to talk about faith remember people like that who worked towards what no one has ever seen before their act of doing so is called FAITH not what has happened in the past that involves none of us living today!

Aemmyjah:
See how he defines faith
Baba cele definition
They'll give someone a pen to write his exams
The pen has one unique smell
The idiot does not read
Goes to the exams hall and think of a miracle but nothing happens.

Who taught Christians about faith?
Is it not Jesus or Nazareth?

Did he use such logic for personal gain?

Well when Satan asked him to go against logic Jesus told Satan that it's against faith in God:

“If you are a son of God, tell these stones to become loaves of bread.” But he answered: “It is written: ‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every word that comes from Jehovah’s mouth.’" Then the Devil took him along into the holy city, and he stationed him on the battlement of the temple and said to him: “If you are a son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written: ‘He will give his angels a command concerning you,’ and, ‘They will carry you on their hands, so that you may not strike your foot against a stone.’” Jesus said to him: “Again it is written: ‘You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.’" Matthew 4:3-7

The highlighted in blue are things that are really illogical but did Jesus support it? NO!

Aemmyjah:
He's not thinking of where to switch to
He wants entertainment

Naaaaaaaaaaaa that's how they pretend when they're fed up with false religions because all the promises of their pastors about jumping from grass to glory never came true that's why he is saying faith lied to him!

Aemmyjah:
And he wants to play umpire

He is simply telling you to fight over his soul as he's now on the fence thinking of where to switch to!

Aemmyjah:
Very poor definition
It's like a group of scientists listening to a bushman define a scientific term according to his own knowledge or what he heard other people say and he thinks he's speaking fact

Don't blame him that's what false religion taught him but he ought to ask:
What is faith?
Get the clear understanding of Paul's definition before speaking about it!

PoliteActivist:
I guess we have to define "logical". Logical is scientific. It is from A you have to go through B to get to C. Faith is from A you can get to Z without the intervening steps of B, C, D, etc. Faith is also if A=1, and B=2, A+B can equal 44.
I'll be the umpire, playing devil's advocate for both sides.

This is exactly what i often tell you guys, the way you've been indoctrinated in false religions makes you think the highlighted is how to define faith whereas you're wrong.
That has nothing to do with REAL faith!

Questionnaires:
Okay, Understood now.

Does it mean that going to churches and mosques to fellowship is not Spiritual But A Religious Indoctrination?

For many yes!

Questionnaires:
Your First And Second Paragraph was Quite Understood.
However, I Couldn't Comprehend Your Third Paragraph.

Spirituality makes you knowledgeable but religiosity render you gullible and you continue following whatever you hear!

PoliteActivist:
I'll remove your name. But faith is illogical and is meant to be illogical. If you don't know that then you don't understand what is faith. What do you think is meant by evidence of things not seen nor felt?
Also if you are intellectually honest for once, you'd acknowledge there's something funny about creating someone, giving them a certain type of brain, knowing in advance they'll disobey you, THEN when they use the brain to disobey you, you don’t punish them temporarily so they'll learn a lesson and not try such again...

Nothing is logical if you think faith is illogical but that's for another day.
If you want to debate atheists go ahead don't bring me into your fight with them!

englishmart:
In a case where kids are indoctrinated from birth, you can't say religion is not imposed on people in society. How many people have the liberty to change their religion?
If everyone was allowed to get to the right thinking age before introducing them to religion, then would your submission be apt.
The lies they've been exposed to from childhood have sunk so deeply into them that nothing can expunge them.

You guys just love deceiving yourselves!

We were all indoctrinated into one thing or another but as we grow older and exposed we began seeing many things differently from what our parents told us.

This affects all humans whether religious or not!

I don't debate atheist they don't believe in true logic faith is logical as you can't see anything done under the sun without faith.
So remove my name because atheists know me that i always present logical reasoning they can never refute!

Ken4Christ:
Russell and Rutherford were the Apostles of Satan. And you have foolishly bought into their lies which I have consistently exposed on Nairaland.

You said many churches also disagree with you on your Hellfire doctrine so Russell and Rutherford are also responsible for all those churches shey?
You're just lying to your own soul.
What you should have said is that there are churches upholding your Hellfire doctrine while others disagree but shouting Russell and Rutherford as if they're the cause of your problem is lying to your own soul!

Ken4Christ:
How can I be in agreement with every church when our Lord Jesus himself said that there will be false prophets and teachers. I mentioned names of many of the true churches. Did I mention just one? There are many false churches and the Jehovah Witness is one of them and in fact the worse.

Ken4Christ:
It's only your organization

You're just deceiving yourself with the two highlighted!

Aemmyjah:
American Standard Version
looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
While we look for the blessed hope and the revelation of the glory of The Great God and Our Lifegiver, Yeshua The Messiah,
New American Bible
as we await the blessed hope, the appearance of the glory of the great God and of our savior Jesus Christ,

He's just trying to hide behind a finger the truth is that only Jehovah's Witnesses keep Paul's word and PRACTICE it.

*Jesus said abandoning one wife unlawfully and many another is adultery {Matthew 19:9} but it's Paul who expatiate it that frontiers in Christianity must marry only one woman.1Timothy 3:2; Titus 1:6
*Jesus cursed apostate Jews for turning against God's purpose {Matthew 23:13-29} Paul said we must stop associating with anyone who claims he is a Christian but not in agreement with oneness among fellow believers! Romans 16:17
*Jesus said we must pray for our enemies {Luke 6:27-28} and Paul prayed for misinformed Jews who are seeking to have him killed! Romans 10:1-3
*Jesus said whoever chooses not to engage in sexual relations throughout his life for the sake of the Good News should be allowed {Matthew 19:12} Paul said he would like most Christians to remain unmarried like him! 1Corinthians 7:1, 8
*Jesus prayed for his disciples to have the same line of thought {John 17:22} Paul said we should all speak in agreement! 1Corinthians 1:10
*Jesus commanded his disciples to preach and teach {Matthew 28:19-20} Paul said it's by going to revisit the householders we preached to who welcomed us and our message! Act 15:36
*Jesus said Paul has been chosen as apostle of the nations {Act 9:15} Paul wrote letters to all the nations where Christians have formed congregations giving them instructions on how to practice Christianity.

Only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION hold all these dearly so when they are arguing among themselves we know it's due to turning against the one and only apostle Jesus chose to connect people of other nations to himself!

Ken4Christ:
Where you sleeping when you read my comment. I said every true church agree on the believe of the afterlife. It's only your organization established by the devil himself that teaches otherwise. And I have proven it over and over again that your teachings are lies from the pit of hell.

The highlighted is evidence that you're a liar if you say "EVERY TRUE CHURCH" that means you are not in agreement with all the churches but when you say "ONLY YOUR" that surely is a contradiction.
You can't say only when all the others are still having issues on what you want to establish!

Steep:
No it is one person, the Greek interpretation actually mean that both great God and saviour is actually referring to one person and again It is Jesus christ that is appearing and hence both titles refers to him.
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

while we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of our Savior, Jesus Christ,

Oya nah prove you people are Jesus' worshipers by acting on his prayer to God @ John 17:22
If all of you are worshipers of the same God let the oneness be known by agreeing on what your God prayed for!

Aemmyjah:
There's a difference between poor and beggar

I told you they don't understand God's word.

Imagine Bible say the poor he is equating it to beggar but ask him if he wish to be a beggar or any member of his family to be a beggar he will say "God forbid"

Ken4Christ:
There will certainly be divers understanding on trivial issues but on cardinal doctrines like the teachings on the afterlife. Every true church agree there is a place of torment known as hell. Whether, it's Redeem Christian Church, Assemblies of God, Deeper Life Bible Church, Christ Embassy, Salvation Ministries, Living Faith etc. We all believe the same thing on the doctrine of the after life.

Satan and demons are lying to you people because TRUTH doesn't contradict each other if you people are arguing on how the afterlife will be it simply means the idea is based on lies that's why you people can't agree it's like gathering liars and thieves to agree on what they want to pursue of course they will all say they're in agreement but when you ask each one to come out and tell how things goes that is when they will start contradicting one another!

Aemmyjah:
He did not
He was referencing two persons
The Great God and
The Savior, Jesus Christ.

I just want to watch their show of shame after all they used to unite against JWs saying they're Christians so let each one declare the name of his church so we can know where each teaching is coming from.
Please don't allow them to change the subject sebi they're all Christians and according to them they all worship Jesus so how come they're divided against one another?