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Westerhoffe:
But do you accept you blundered several times during our discussions?

OK thanks!

Corrections:
Who is the church?
At this point.....haven made concrete points backed by scriptures from the Bible am done arguing with you.

The church is the gathering that attracts Jesus' presence an individual is one whom you choose to help.
If you give your tithe to any individual it's wrong because the scriptures say:
"Bring it to the temple"
What confuses most of you is because you are not practicing Christianity so those in charge of your contributions can do and undo with the contributions that's why you're suggesting where or how you should pay it.
But according to God's word the tithes should be brought into the temple where the priests will distribute it to the appropriate quarters.
If you give it to anyone whether needy or not you're not paying the tithe because it must be brought before the true God inside the temple.

Steep:
I don't get you, where did you read that Adam created all things?
How can Jesus create himself? use your sense na

Who is the father of all inventors on planet earth?
If it's Adam then Adam invented everything we are seeing today apart from natural things.
Jesus was created by God that's what makes him the firstborn of all creations.
He can't be exempted from those being born!

Corrections:
I don't get your point bro you mixing things up here.......I ask again what makes up the congregation? Trees, mansions titles (mr/ Mrs or pastor or reverend) or human beings?
If I may ask, who are the Christians that Jesus Christ heads?
A. Goats B. Ram C. Tree D. Human-beings.
What is your answer? Are the disciples of Christ trees? Are they not human beings?
So, when you keep saying....... congregation!! Congregation!!! Are congregations trees?
Haba.....this is very clear!!
You also ignored all the Bible passages I stated there that clearly buttressed the topic.
I don't really understand you.

We are talking about the tithe here there's a difference between deciding to pay individuals or bringing it to the church.
That's what i'm saying.

Corrections:
See what you wrote… ..…..so who makes up a congregation or church ? Buildings? Public address system (speakers)? Is it not the people that make up the congregation as a whole in which Paul told them that their body is the temple of God? So what exactly are you saying?

The body here comprises of parts these parts are individuals from different places to form a congregation so God dwells in this body for a purpose, the individuals making up a congregation are imperfect humans but since God dwells in the body they will unitedly do God's will.
For instance read what Paul says here:

"But speaking the truth, let us by love grow up in all things into him who is the head, Christ. From him all the body is harmoniously joined together and made to cooperate through every joint that gives what is needed. When each respective member functions properly, this contributes to the growth of the body as it builds itself up in love" Ephesians 4:15-16


"because a husband is head of his wife just as the Christ is head of the congregation, he being a savior of this body". Ephesians 5:23

Is Paul talking about individual body here or a whole congregation?

Corrections:
Is human body (that consists of spirit and soul) no longer the temple/house of God according to 1 cor6:19-20 where God dwells? If it is, then your point is off focus.
1Corinthians 6:19-20 (ESV),
He asks, “Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.”

The body here is not referring to individuals but the church so when Paul said "your body he wasn't talking about each individual but the congregation as a whole"

Without Jesus no man can see everlasting life!

Of course all the dead must believe in Jesus first before they can gain access to everlasting life. From Abel to John the baptist must start to practice what Jesus taught before they can be granted Visa to everlasting life.

First of all it's Christians that will be resurrected that's what Jesus meant when he said "the first will be the last" {Matthew 20:16} no matter who you are as a descendant of Adam all what God promised you is the same with others: EVERLASTING LIFE.
So Christians of the last generation will be raised to life first then the generation before them then the one before. As for unbelievers who don't know anything about Jesus but lived by conscience they will be resurrected not as righteous but unrighteous since they never knew the righteousness of God.
While resurrection is ongoing true Christians will begin to teach resurrected unbelievers the commandments of Christ by so doing people like Abel, Noah, Enoch, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Elijah and many more will realize that those preaching to them are talking about the promised Christ which most of them were INSPIRED to write about during their lifetime.
For instance a prophet named "Daniel" asked God what he was writing because he doesn't understand but God told him "go your way Daniel, you will sleep (die) like all the others but when the time comes to restructure everything you will be called back to life for your own reward" Daniel 12:13
The same will happen to all other ancient servants of God {Job 14:13-15} but as for whoever is resurrected during that time yet chooses not to listen and act on what the Christians are preaching and teaching such a person will be allowed to live as a youth for just 100 years then angels will kill him because by that time sickness oldage and death has been removed! Isaiah 65:20

If you have further questions feel free to ask but know that without Jesus nobody can gain everlasting life!

EreluRoz:
How's lady Trivina doing

Don't mind the boss lady jàre, she's still in bed now that other women are preparing for their worship centers.
However thanks we're all fine!

EreluRoz:
I'm fine sir, I'm through. Thanks 🙏

God bless you my little angel!

Westerhoffe:
That does not change the fact that your doctrines are false, contorted, and misleading, with Bible edited to suit the NEW WORLD ORDER phase.
And why was the monument the same as the pyramid of the Illuminati?
This isn't about if my response will worth your time; (as a tactic to quit like Aemmyjah) I've read several of your replies to several of my questions and they've been off-point and dishonest.
I should be the one saying you have not been sincere and honest, puffed up in ignorance but refusing to admit to your errors, but I haven't.

Westerhoffe:
“The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.”
— Proverbs 8:22 (KJV)
This didn't say, "The LORD created me…" this is why we'll always never agree.
Below is the meaning of "possess"
possess
uk /pəˈzes/ us /pəˈzes/
Verb
possess (third-person singular simple present possesses, present participle possessing, simple past and past participle possessed)
(transitive)
To have (something) as, or as if as, an owner; to have, to own.
Synonym: inhold
Of an idea, thought, etc.: to dominate (someone's mind); to strongly influence.
Of a supernatural entity, especially one regarded as evil: to take control of (an animal or person's body or mind).
(also reflexive, chiefly literary and poetic) Of a person: to control or dominate (oneself or someone, or one's own or someone's heart, mind, etc.).
To dominate (a person)
(archaic)
To cause an idea, thought, etc., to strongly affect or influence (someone); to inspire, to preoccupy.
To occupy the attention or time of (someone).
(also literary) To obtain or seize (something); to gain, to win.
(also reflexive) Chiefly followed by of or with: to vest ownership of something in (oneself or someone); to bestow upon, to endow.
Synonym: seise
Antonyms: dispossess, unpossess
(law) To have control or possession of, but not to own (a chattel or an interest in land).
(obsolete)
To give (someone) information or knowledge; to acquaint, to inform.
To have the ability to use, or knowledge of (a language, a skill, etc.)
To inhabit or occupy (a place).
Chiefly followed by that: to convince or persuade (someone).
(intransitive)
To inhabit or occupy a place.
Conjugation
How does this rhyme with your explanation of JESUS CHRIST being created?

OK thanks.

EreluRoz:
I saw through him long ago and how he's always friends with any government in power.
They are more of politicians than men of God, don't be deceived.

How are you doing and how is your schooling now?

All those that come to Jesus were healed but Jesus made it clear to his audience that miraculous healing and gifts is for Israelites only! Matthew 15:24-25

Miracles and other spiritual gifts ended when Jerusalem was destroyed by the Roman army in the first century and ever since then there's no miracles again.

Paul made it clear that those gifts are for a purpose: to show that the Christ has come and help Israelites to identify his group afterwards the miracles seized! 1Corinthians 13:8-10

Today people claiming they're miracle workers are deceivers because God only used Israelites to prove that when His kingdom comes all our problems will be over not that some people will continue to perform signs while others won't!

There is nothing Adeboye can do among those politicians, the man is trying to be diplomatic he's only doing his own business and making his own money, he is not a man of the Bible God!


He was targeted by politicians few years ago for speaking against the ruling party and when they planned to deal with him he escaped.


Do you people remember the time when a bill was passed that all Churches must change their spiritual head that has spent more than twenty years in office?
Well it was a plan against Adeboye all others like Oyedepo, Oyakilome, TB Joshua, Kumuyi were ranting saying nobody can take over their BUSINESS from them but before that law was announced in the morning someone among the politicians has leaked the secret to Adeboye so earlier that day the man declared that he is no longer the spiritual head of RCCG in Nigeria and immediately appointed another man.
His enemies were shocked because he proved smarter than them they wanted to disgrace him as he was their target not those ones ranting.

So leave the man alone politics is a dirty game and as long as the old man is trying to be diplomatic there are things he is expected to say and things he's not expected to utter since most Nigerian churchians see him as their spiritual head!

Steep:
It means he is the source and ruler of God's creation because all things were made by him.
Scrupture says without him nothing created would exist meaning he himself is not part of created things.

Automobiles, Electricity, Skyscrapers, airplanes, fast trains and all the things we see today as technological advancement on this planet none was without Adam do you agree?

Because it is through Adam that mankind spread to all the earth and it's his descendants that are subduing the earth just as God told him! Genesis 1:28

So all the things made were created through the first creature God made by himself alone! Proverbs 8:22-30

Westerhoffe:
Hey!
Come on!!
We still have a lot to discuss…

I only spend my precious time with sincere and honest hearted individuals not puffed up argumentators desperate to argue blindly.

Are you now convinced that CT Russell's tomb differs from what his enemies posted on line for you?

Your sincere response to this question will determine if you worth my time!

Sunnyrado:
Please I want to ask this and I stand to be corrected.. it's about Gospel songs or music in Nigeria, back then we listen to many gospel songs and we were blessed, like Mama funmi aragbaye, amona tetewa, timi osukoya, good women and some foreign ones like Kirk Franklin, woman of faith, Fred Hammond, Ron kenoly, don moen and the likes and we enjoyed and also blessed... in all their songs they have never for once cabash if you know what I mean by that.. but now the ones we have today if they haven't cabash they haven't sing..what has changed so far that makes it to be like that.. just asking to know... Thank you

Most likely you won't like to know the truth but i will tell you anyway!

There was, there is and there will never be any gospel music or song. Those people you are talking about sang to make money not praise God so if the purpose is money making then it was their generation that failed to realize their intentions just as you've proven saying "they are gospel musicians and their audience were blessed"
As long as they did it to make money then the next generation will also target money and since people are growing from bad to worse the next generation of music lovers would take it to another level after all it's money making venture.
Mammon is the god they were all singing for not the true God and the next generation of Mammon worshipers are the result you're seeing today.
If you care to know more i'm still very much with you but if you don't it's OK i believe you asked to know the truth not what will suit your mind!

According to God you're not to determine what happens to your tithes God said bring it to His house and not to the needy.
So if you don't bring it to His house you're still owing Him the tithe!

Aemmyjah:
Don't mind the attention seeker

When we take our leave in their houses they used to think they have won arguments that's why i often push them to a place where they will commit the blunder and once they want to continue arguing further i will stop responding to them.

Today i went to the field and as the captain i'm so busy telling everyone where to work and also monitoring the groups then i got to a house where four women were complaining about how domineering and lazy most of their children has become when it comes to house chores. After a greeting they all attacked me saying they don't have the time for preaching so i waited a bit then i spoke Yorùbá to them and asked:
"can i also contribute in the discussion?"
They first felt reluctant to respond then one of them said i should speak so i asked them what each of them is expecting from the children they're training presently.
Come and see the fools all of them said they're expecting the children to buy them mansions and big vehicles.
So i asked:
"how would you treat such a person, like a house help or master of the house?"

Then they realized they're the problem and not their children.

Immediately i told them i'm leaving that's the time they wanted me to stay longer!

Westerhoffe:
JWs have always avoided me after we engage… not new to me you also gave up.

OK thanks!

Aemmyjah:
Highly ignorant fellow
Eating lies from the internet like chicken feed on grain
The structure is no longer there on his tomb yet he says illuminati
Does he even know what illuminati means?

They don't do any investigation rather it's their own thoughts that's pushing them so whenever they hear anything against JWs they are ready to push it without a second thought!

Aemmyjah:
Did someone tell you or your mind is dribbling assumptions into your head?

When next a JW comes around he will respect him or her and treasure the time we sacrificed to chat with him!

Westerhoffe:
For the fact that you read me scrutinize MaxInDHouse to the last drip should sure make it worth your time.
Just say you can't go as far as he does and I'll understand and let this slide.

When next a JW gives you a audience you will treasure the time spent not bragging over your ignorance!

How can you be so ignorant yet puffed up with pride claiming you want to expose something?

Westerhoffe:
Are you listening to Aemmyjah or you gave up just like that?

Another question?

Well keep on asking! Matthew 7:7

Aemmyjah:
You're not worth my time cos I discussed it with MaxInDHouse
If you wish, go and read it yourself
If yo can't, it's your own migraine

Until he admits his folly regarding CT Russell's tomb there's nothing for him, let him go and meet his fellow religionists!

Westerhoffe:
You've chickened out too like Kobojunkie and Aemmyjah…? 🤨

Another question?
Well keep on asking! Matthew 7:7

How do apes and monkeys feel at the point of death?
Atheists strongly believe they descended from apes so to answer your question find out how an ape will feel at the point of death!

Aemmyjah:
My son
I spent 19 years of my life in Yoruba land
De cap nonsense

You must answer them o otherwise heaven will fall!

Maamin:
The Bible teaches that Jesus was the creative agent through which God the Father acted to make all things.

Jesus is God's FIRSTBORN Son in the spirit realm while Adam is God's FIRSTBORN Son on planet earth.
The firstborn in the spirit realm continues to give all the glory to his father and God that's why he remains approved by God but the firstborn on earth became rebellious and lost it all.
If Adam never died who would have been the Son of God to whom all the advancement in technology would be ascribed?
Is it not Adam?

Aemmyjah:
Let him go and fight his people
Everyone knows Jesus disciples and they are not violent

I can only take him seriously if he apologizes for the nonsense he was spewing regarding the tomb of Charles Taze Russell.

I have shown him that he was misinformed but instead of reasoning he wants to continue bragging over ignorance that's enough to tell that he doesn't worth my time!

Aemmyjah:
Ok na
Give me like 7 weeks
When I have your time, I'll attend to you

When JWs comes around they will say they're busy or drive our brothers away but when we are chatting with interested ones on line they will start asking stupid questions claiming they want to EXPOSE falsehood yet there are over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.
Which of them all is the truth?
Ọmọ some people just love deceiving themselves walahi talahi!

Westerhoffe:
Oh!
The highlighted indeed.
Just as I said, I love peace, harmony, and serenity. But that does not mean I can't be violent indeed when I have to...
So, tell me about your god that you always compare to Krishna, Zeus, and Buddha… because since you've admitted it is not the same LORD GOD ALMIGHTY of the Bible.

Keep on asking! Matthew 7:7