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FxMasterz:
Abeg, military service is not religion. Every soldier fights for his country because he believes he's doing the right thing. They even pray before going to war.

YES! They are all praying to the same God while the God watch them destroy one another!😂

Jesus said to Jehovah's Witnesses in the first century:

“Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword." Matthew 26:52

Glory to our God in the heavens today Satan is blindfolding unbelievers to kill one another {Revelation 6:3-4} but God's people have vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again be it friend or foe! Isaiah 2:4; Matthew 5:43-48🙂

FxMasterz:
If you asked Absalom when he was fighting his father, he'll tell you he was on God's side. Every soldier on the battlefield is on God's side.

So ISIS, BOKO HARAM fighting as soldiers could also be on God's side!😂

In fact they are completely empty when it comes to spirituality.

Imagine him saying God supports His worshipers to kill one another.

I wonder what he will say when people are killing themselves in the name of different religions.

Perhaps he will say they are supposed to fight and kill as soldiers not believers. 😂

cornelboy:
Were both Absalom and David on the same side? One was on God side and the other wasn't. God has nothing with the wars going on today. That's why God's people will never engage in wars and kill one another.

FxMasterz:
If he's a Christian, he wouldn't hold a weapon against me, just as I am one, and I have held no weapon against him. If he does hold up a weapon to harm me, I will defend myself against his attacks. Hypocrite, if you were, would you lay down your neck to be slaughtered by a so called fellow Christian who will no longer be appeased?

If he's fighting because his government ask him to do so and you're fighting for the same reason who will obey Jesus as his Lord between the two of you:

"I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another" John 13:34-35🙂

FxMasterz:
Good!
Let governments all over the world withdraw protection and defence for all JWs. Let them announce that Bandits, Islamic terrorists, etc are free to do anything with JWs. Is that not okay?

Go and tell them that Jehovah's Witnesses believe only in God's protection!🙂

FxMasterz:
Can you imagine the Israelites saying God is their protector, and therefore never go to battle?

That is what Jesus God's only begotten Son taught those who listened to him among them {Matthew 5:43-48} when they were leaving Egypt God's order is for them to see how He will fight for them {Exodus 14:14} when they become a nation God commanded them to fight any enemy of the HOLY LAND not their own nation o?
But when Jesus said there is no more a holy land {John 4:22-24} fighting to defend any place becomes unscriptural for faithful servants of God.
WHY?
Because we have to love our neighbors just as we love ourselves {Mark 12:31} so if we should join in killing people in other lands we are depriving them of the Good News and if we should fight or kill a fellow Christian due to command from a human ruler that means we are disobeying Jesus who commanded us to love fellow believers the same way he loved us! John 13:34-35
So before Jesus Israelites needs to fight and defend the holy land but after that has been cancelled faithful servants of God must never again raise a weapon against anyone be it friend or foe! Matthew 5:43-48

I will continue to teach you the laws of our God as written in the hearts of His modern day worshipers! Isaiah 31:32-33🙂

cornelboy:
I don't think I can continue a discussion with someone with that reasoning. That's obviously against Jesus teachings and true Christianity.

He makes a lot of noise in the past but now he's running away from me o!😂

Before he will be the first to come and start talking trash on my thread.

So she will not be RESURRECTED?😟


“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. ‭‭John 5:28-29 NIV‬

cornelboy:
So it's right for a christain soldier in Ukraine to kill another christain soldier in Russia because Zelensky ordered it?
Does that even make any sense? Killing a fellow Christian brother is what you call defense? Smh.

It makes perfect sense to him as long as he wants to fight or defend his nation he can kill his fellow believer in the name of WAR!😂

Because those so called SINNERS were willing to learn from him whoever feels he knows better Jesus condemns! John 3:16

FxMasterz:
There's no fellow Christian out there who aims at me. Anyone who aims at me can't be a fellow Christian.

Wow!🙂

So as a CHRISTIAN you hold a weapon against your neighbor in the name of fighting for or defending your country but at the same thing you don't believe there could be anyone from the other country who is also a CHRISTIAN like you in their army shey?😂

FxMasterz:
Answer my question. Soldiers use weapons to defend and protect people. Should they stop protecting you and your fellow JWs?

YES! We don't trust in humans for protection Jehovah is our protector!

Human governments can't save you! Psalms 146:3-4


The Lord will fight for you; you need only to be still.” ‭Exodus 14:14 NIV‬🙂

MightySparrow:
Well said.
Please watch this from your members and organization in legal battle.

You haven't gotten the sense behind it:

Two individuals may quarrel between themselves but as One family the group will never ever take any member to court rather when anyone stops being obedient to the group Jesus said we should ostracize such ones:

“Moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go and reveal his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.  But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, so that on the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter may be established.  If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector" Matthew 18:15-17

That's what true Christians do:

Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them Romans 16:17

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. 2John:10

We don't take our family matters to the pagans all in the name of COURT! 1Corinthans 6:1🙂

MightySparrow:
What does that matter? If they not divorced and living like strangers?

It's not all matrimonial issues that needs the involvement of a third party so if they are married and staying with each other despite their troubles it is still a matter of for better for worse that's what matters to God and man!

Jesus said:

"What God has yoked together, let no man put apart.” Matthew 19:6

When a teacher says:

“You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’  However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? And if you greet your brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing?  You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Matthew 5:43-48

Surely he is teaching his listeners never to see anyone as evil due to their race rather we should judge by actions and his own people hate such truth definitely they will hate him and whatever has to do with him!🙂

AntiChristian:
Morality is derived from the Islamic text or the authorities where you are domiciled!

From my own understanding the word "GOOD" could mean a lot more than just seeing a matter from one angle.

Samson is fighting for the land God gave his ancestors as a promise while the Philistines he was killing were seeking ways to drive God's people or exterminate them from the land.

So from one angle Samson may be seen as doing what is bad by killing the Philistines but from another angle he is doing God's will by keeping God's people safe on that land!🤔

FxMasterz:
Abeg, shift.

We are both trying to reason with Jesus and his teachings but if you don't want it it's OK!

FxMasterz:
Yeah, soldiers have to kill if the threat poses danger to people's lives.

So if you are a Christian soldier in Nigeria can you aim and pull the trigger at a fellow Christian with whom you once enjoyed praising your God?🤔

FxMasterz:
Should government stop defending you and your JW brethren now?
Answer!

Jehovah is our refuge not man! Psalms 46:1

DemonSlayer:
Makes sense 💯

The peace your thread is asking for can't come automatically it worth making sacrifices for others which means whatever religions wants to do in the neighborhood there should be consideration for others and such requires sacrifices on the part of the religionists involved we can't force ourselves on others but we can make sacrifices for the peace of our neighbors.
That's why i said majority of people claiming they know God don't understand that peace is not optional rather it's a need worth making sacrifices for.
I remember a day when i spent some time with my friend who happens to be an estate agent a man (Pastor) came angrily complaining bitterly regarding the apartment my friend rented out to him. His complaints is he doesn't want an apartment close to any church due to their noise but this same man used to make a lot of noise in his RCCG church where he is the assistant pastor!😟
Only the true religion understands this.

Many who were excommunicated in our organization have families in the organization and their families often cry as in shed tears when such ones are ostracized but we have to make such sacrifices if we want inner peace we can't just continue putting up with someone who knows the right thing but chooses to do the wrong thing in our gathering!😟

FxMasterz:
Are you saying a nation should not be defended?
Why then were you.angry when I said government should stop defending you lots?

I can never ever get angry with you but i will continue to show you why we find it difficult to do what you are asking!🙂

Back to our discussion:

If a soldier is trained to defend his nation and in the process he or she will have to kill some people as enemies of his nation who are the ENEMIES such a person can kill as Jesus commanded all his disciples never to raise weapons against anyone be it friend or foe? Matthew 5:43-48; 26:52

Please the highlighted how can someone defend a nation without killing people?
And who are the ENEMIES such a person is going to kill as Jesus commanded all his disciples never to raise weapons against anyone be it friend or foe? Matthew 5:43-48; 26:52

FxMasterz:
If someone was a soldier, he'll join Jesus' group and remain a soldier. A soldier is not someone who kills people. A soldier is someone who defends a nation.

MightySparrow:
I once told you about the problem involving my brother and his family when they problem and the shameful response of the elders. Why couldn't your elders solve their problems?

Are they still married or divorced?🙂

MightySparrow:
How do you conclude what is going on in my family as an outsider?

When families takes a member to court nah!🙂
Elders in any sane family should settle matters amicably to maintain oneness but when the elders in the family can't handle matters that's what exposes the family for outsiders to know what is going on in the family!

AntiChristian:
This is what i am emphasizing! We are not talking about the actions of Samson whether that is good or bad!

How do you quantify GOOD or BAD?🤔

DemonSlayer:
You don't go imprisoning anyone that disagrees with your political party, do you?

Of course you can't imprison anyone who disagrees with your political party but then EXCOMMUNICATING such a person will prevent a lot of confusion in the party.

Today the population of the world is about 10,000,000,000 inhabitants but Jehovah's Witnesses globally are not up to 9,000,000 which means if anyone is ostracized or excommunicated in that organization he or she still have over 9,000,000,000 people to replace JWs.
The ratio is 1000+ against 1 so what is the reason why they can't forget about JWs if truthfully they have meaningful ideas that could work elsewhere?

The truth is they have taken peace of mind as something they can opt for as in want whereas to JWs peace of mind is a need something we can't trade for anything.

You can't eat your cake and have it the best thing to do is choose between eating your cake and having it.

Meanwhile the guy coming here to malign God's organization can you ask him a simple question?

Since he was a JW and he has left the organization has he found peace in any other religious group?

Your thread is about how religions chokes peace in our society but here is a religion that stands out differently so if anyone feels he still disagree with the organization let them go and find peace elsewhere!🙂

Like other qualities of God's holy spirit PEACE is a need and not want!
Humans do seek what we want and not what we need that is why God's word said:

The fruitage of the spirit is LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, KINDNESS, GOODNESS, FAITH, MILDNESS, SELF-CONTROL. Against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23

In reality 99.9% of us don't truly want any of the aforementioned qualities because we were born imperfect which means selfishness and greed often drives our innermost thoughts so when we are faced with a hard decision most of us will trash NEEDS and go for WANTS thereby forgetting all the nine qualities of God's holy spirit.

Our world today is filled with violence because majority of people will choose wants over needs. For instance take a look at your neighbor and ask yourself:

Why can't we live together as a family?

The next thing that will come to your mind is:

"I don't WANT to loose my steez if i talk to him first he may take me for a ride"

So what we WANT is ego even though we NEED to be loved as a neighbor most of us will be thinking of how to keep our ego and so when Love, Joy and Peace will result from our humble friendship with a neighbor we will prefer to be respected highly as if we are on the top.

Well Jesus conquered this devilish trait in humans by coming down from heaven where he has a very high position beside the Almighty God and put on human flesh, he did not go to the house of a king or wealthy person rather he was born by a lowly carpenter and despite knowing his real father {Luke 2:49} Jesus subjected himself to his lowly parents! Luke 2:51

At age 29 Jesus went to John a prophet sent to prepare his way and humbly asked to be baptized by John even when John tried to prevent him {Matthew 3:14} and afterwards Jesus the only begotten Son of God Almighty began going from house to house talking to neighbors about what we NEED which is the government of God! Matthew 4:17

Today many are running from one place to another or from one religion to another but are they doing in search of peace?

The answer is NO!

How do we know this?

It's only when they found themselves in bigger troubles that they think of peace but once they are able to maneuver they don't think of peace so they have made peace a choice (want) instead of a neccesity (need)

Please at what point in time did humans practiced the highlighted?🤔

Willokafor:
Christ main goal and purpose is to bring back his lost sheeps?
Why? Humanity lost track of who they are.
Before man were more concern about community development, relationship and helping one another but at some point they became so proud and filled with pride which lead to them conceiving evil intentions for members of their society.

These started with the rulers ( kings and priests) of the community feeling they are superior to the citizens of the community.

For on this watch how Christ reconciled man to his original identity;

Watch Jesus as he explains his love for sinner

FxMasterz:
Because they were not soldiers.

So what if someone was a soldier and wanted to join Jesus' group what must he do since Jesus commanded his own disciples not to hate or kill anyone be it friend or foe?🙂

DemonSlayer:
Is it true that you run our religion like a cult? There's massive internal pressure to conform, ostracizing nonconformists, plus to leave na war.

I won't use the Bible to answer your questions because it's obvious you don't believe our book so let's reason intelligently.

Imagine a society harming themselves but a small group began learning how they can stop the bad habit whoever joins them already knew what to stop doing and that's how the group keeps getting members after teaching them how to avoid getting into trouble.
Please how would you treat someone who has learned so much, vowed to stop hurting himself and others but later chose to go back to his old lifestyle where they are hurting themselves and others?

I will say such a person should be quarantined so as not to infect others which means cutting off closeness with him or her since he or she already knew the implications but chose to endanger his life and others close to him!

What do you say?🙂

FxMasterz:
Jesus and His disciples never fought or kill.

WHY?🙂

MightySparrow:
Scoundrels hunt for scandal; their words are a destructive blaze. Prov.16.27 NLT

So i'm not saying you don't have your family but we don't want to be families of people who don't value family ties! John 17:22🙂

nairalandankrah:
You will pray for years! Nothing.. but if you go to ekwensu he answers you immediately..
Why is it like that?

Satan doesn't want anyone to have a future so to take away that future he'll throw whatever they want at them even when it means rendering them useless!😟

DemonSlayer:
Interesting.
What's that one true religion?

Ironically it's Christianity but Satan has established false religion and multiplied them in thousands so that if care is not taken you can't identify true Christianity where tens of thousands of sects are all claiming Christians with their contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines. Matthew 13:25

But the true God allowed Satan and his human agents to play around for centuries until He sent His holy spirit to separate faithful people throughout the world and gather them in a group {Matthew 13:30} so when they are all hinging to that group name (CHRISTIANS) which they have defamed with their atrocities the true God began calling His own worshipers by another group name: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

See what many people including atheists are saying about the true Christian group:

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

DeepSight:
I am not sure the respect JWs have is on account of what you say. It is more on account of their general simplicity, general adherence to bible truth, and the fact that no one can accuse them of being commercialised or money or power focused like most other denominations are. Alot of people see a purity in them which is lacking in many other places. I should know, for as I told you, in my youth, I used to be one.

HardMirror:
unfortunately, JW are the best Christians if we will be honest.

Matthew 5:14-16🙂

DemonSlayer:
I appreciate your religion respecting the peace of others. Truly. But you see that one true religion talk, that's your opinion bro.

There is only one God (Creator) so there is only one true religion the reason why no one has come to comment on this thread should tell you that they don't know what exactly their religion is doing.
Darkness is what the Bible God call religions that's false because worshipers can't explain what exactly their religion teaches or the practical sense/benefits of their religion they are in spiritual darkness.

Just wait and see if any religion can come up to prove they have something worthwhile doing! 🙂

See what shouting indiscriminately at passersby caused between two preachers claiming born again Christians!
https://youtube.com/shorts/ncYnWRA27gY?si=Ha0btmLlVxD4PhyJ

DemonSlayer:
Good on you! I wish more of your religious mates follow the same protocol.

There is only one true religion as i have said and globally that is what we are doing! 🙂