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Steep:
If a church is not different from the society then that church is an unholy church.
Holiness means to be separated to God.
Any church that values the rich more than the poor should be marked and rejected, and any teacher, or pastor that encourages this false teaching should be identified and rejected.

Good!
Now tell us the name of your own church where such is not happening, i mentioned my own: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!🙂

When i told him that he is programmed it sounds offensive to him but then can he prove otherwise?
He wants to me to believe what he says about the term FIRSTBORN yet instead of explaining how it correlates with reality he sticks to his TRINITY ideology!😀

Janosky:
The Wisdom personified in Proverbs 8:22-30 is Jesus Christ/ the Craftsman of Proverbs 8:22,30..
Paul identified him as Jesus Christ @ 1 Cor 1:24 & Hebrew 1:2 God made Wisdom as the beginning of his creation.
The same message of Paul in Colossians 1:15 & Jesus revealed in Rev 3:14.

Hhh4444:
they would not go to hell or heaven after death...alot of people have been brainwashed with this heaven and hell bullshit so they can be easily controlled. Free yourself from mental slavery. Check your politicians and top rich people,you think they believe they would go to hell after they die?No. Even your pastors don't believe in heaven and hell after death,they just use that idea to induce fear in their members and then manipulate them.

Of course politicians and pastors are not Christians nah, so true believers don't expect them to have faith!🙂

erad:
Why do the poor keep going to where they are not appreciate?

Because they are all worshipers of riches but their god only gives to few among them not all.
A sincere and honest hearted individual will not continue worshiping with lovers of money! Psalms 1:1

Hemanwel:
This is the exact answer I have been waiting for! Many people claim to practice Christianity but fail in the aspect of sacrificial giving.
I doubt any of today's christian would obey the clarion call if they were in Abraham's shoes to sacrifice their only child to God. They would say it wasn't God speaking.

So your pastor is your god shey?😟

Lzkdy:
In all the churches in naija. Money is what we now worship even if the money is an ill gotten wealth, no one cares. That's the sad reality

God's people have been separated from among false religionists and as He promised we now bear another group name globally: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

Hhh4444:
As a poor man,you have no business being in the church,if you value your mental health. You would be treated with disdain everywhere in the world,not just in church. A poor man is on his own in this cold world.

That is not the case among true disciples of Christ:

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

franchasng:
I never said poor people should not be associated with, I said nobody celebrates poverty.

You are right because Jesus himself was a poor carpenter from a poor family among the Jews that is why they never celebrated him even until now.

So what you said is true!

MetalJigsaw:
Show me the verses of the fierstborn to backup your claims.

Read Revelation 1:5
Jesus is the FIRSTBORN from the dead and that is because all those who have been resurrected in the past died later but he lives forever.
Read Colossians 1:15
Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creations and that is because he is the only creature God created directly.

If you have a contrary opinion quote and explain simply as i did!🙂

Christianity is what Jesus taught but that name Christians came from observers in an ancient city called Antioch. Act 11:26

Christianity is the religion God wants all humans to practice for our salvation but the group name "CHRISTIANS" is not what God intended to call His worshipers.

After Jesus has taught his listeners how to gain everlasting life many Jews realized he is teaching them what God promised in the time of Moses:

I will send them a prophet like you. This prophet will be one of their own people. I will tell him what he must say, and he will tell the people everything I command. This prophet will speak for me, and I will punish anyone who refuses to listen to my commands. Deuteronomy 18:18-19

From the moment Moses utter the above statement all Israelites have been expecting this prophet so even when they broke into two regions while ten tribes are called Samaritans while the remaining two tribes are called Jews they are still waiting for the Christ.

After explaining certain things to a woman from Samaria she responded to Jesus saying:

“I know that Mes·siʹah is coming, who is called Christ. Whenever that one comes, he will declare all things to us openly" John 4:25

God promised this nation that there will be a Way to holiness among them {Isaiah 35:8} so when Jesus told them that he is the Way to please their God {John 14:6} most of them remembered what Isaiah said.

So Paul was chosen by Jesus himself to help many understand what he taught the Jews {Act 9:15} and all the Apostles realized that truly Jesus is behind Paul's ministry.

Jesus actually foretold a time when all his teachings will be brushed aside by individuals who will also claim they are Christians {Matthew 13:25} in fact he said what he taught will completely vanish on planet earth {Luke 18:8} but then a group will bring it back due to their humble research {Matthew 24:45} this group will be given another group name since false religions and their prophets have taken up the name first century disciples of Christ were called and they committed a lot of atrocities while bearing that name. 1John 2:18

God promised to call His own worshipers by another group name in the time of the end because towards the end time there will be a separation leading faithful and sincere individuals out of false religions and they will form another religion! Isaiah 65:15

That religion has been separated today and many can see the difference between true faith and false religionists! Malachi 3:18

Everfrank:
Agreeing with the teachings of Jesus may not mean agreeing with Christianity.
Jesus neither taught Christianity nor was he a Christian. Christianity was invented by Paul long after Jesus and around jesus's death and resurrection rather than on what he actually taught. Words and doctrines like Christian, Christianity, trinity, the cross, atonement of sin, divine sonship were never taught by Jesus.

You don't know what you are saying but it's OK after all you too deserve someone to hail you whether you are making sense or not?🙂

What thing?😟

MetalJigsaw:
You see how people like you have to lie about the Bible just to appear knowledgeable even though, it deceive the ignorant ones.

Just a single verse to backup your ridiculously false interpretations, you can't bring up any. Who is now programmed between you and me

You must be a "Jehovah Witness".

This is really bad.

Ọmọ a son is someone brought to life by a father so Jesus is simply God's Son that is what the scriptures say! John 16:13-18

1John 5:7 was fabricated by trinitarians as an addition to God's word.
Please check other versions of the Bible to see what was originally written in 1John 5:7

"For there are three witness bearers"

The above is what you will find!

MissyB1:
OUCH!!!!!

I'm too happy rite now.        

I love the verse 7 of that chap.
THE FATHER,THE WORD AND THE HOLYGHOST:THESE THREE ARE ONE!!!  


Lemme see how people wil stil argue even when he said it himself that THEY are one.(and we knw the WORD=JC)
Olowa whroeva come on ere baby,i gwanna see u argue

MetalJigsaw:
I didn't say you're crazy bro. Your assumptions are crazy that's what I meant.
Now, show me the verse:
# That tells you that Christ is firstborn because he was created.
# Show me the verse that says Christ is firstborn of the dead because he is the first to rise into eternal life.
I'm waiting..

Can you show me the verse that say Jesus is the firstborn because he is the Almighty God?
Come on my guy you cannot show me any verse that explicitly say all what you are claiming about how David and Israel were called firstborn all you do is just to explain it away.

So let's face the truth God uses terms we humans are familiar with to reveal things that are sacred. John 3:12
The word FIRSTBORN means the first of its kind therefore the firstborn of all creation means first to be created.
Simple as ABC unless you want to go back to that programming which can never ever make any practical sense!

We are living in the last days!

But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, 5 having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away. 2Timothy 3:1-5

Would you like to know what's happening in the spiritual realm that led to these events?🤔

The beast is human government so the mark is political affiliation, you must belong to go into big business that is if you never inherit wealth from your ancestors.
Today the beast is curbing all those who are not born with silver spoon making them slaves to those who have received the mark so if you didn't inherit a big business venture from your parents you can't enter the club of big business men and women it's either you continue to manage the investment your ancestors left for you which will gradually diminish if you refuse to accept the mark of the Beast!

Expanse2020:
But he hang the picture where he was baptized on his house was that not certificate

My guy go out there and ask anybody as in anybody if JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES can be in the military service.
I'm telling you the first and foremost rule that makes anyone a member of JWs not just an option.
So if you see the picture it means that was his baptism in another religion not with Jehovah's Witnesses.
Please ask the person himself if JWs can baptize a serving military officer as one of us!🙂

This is in obedience to the commandment Jesus gave us that we must love our fellow believers just as he loves us {John 13:34-35} in addition to the law that we must love our neighbors as ourselves! Mark 12:31

This is what i'm telling you that exposed all false religions because due to politics, racism and tribalism they will carry weapons and kill their neighbors including those who are members of their own faith {Revelation 6:3-4} but true faith will never allow for such a thing!

Truthseeker10:
So are Christians required to worship God together in agreement?

So Paul was wrong! Hebrews 10:24-24😀

FxMasterz:
"Here mortal men receive tithes, but there (in heaven) He (Jesus) receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives" Hebrews 7:8.

What exactly did he receive?
Is it their material possessions?

I told you Jesus is the Highpriest so when did he receive money or any material possessions as tithe from anyone?

Well if you must know the tithe true believers are paying today is the time we spend in preaching and teaching that is the only thing that Jesus receives from us not money that's why you will always see Jehovah's Witnesses spending their time in the field ministry because whoever is not doing that work has refused to pay his tithe to Jesus our highpriest.🙂

BXNX:
The poor can't rule the church!..
No scriptural backing, but I know this is true!

That is what Jesus meant when he said:

"By their fruits"

So they don't belong to Jesus because the man called Jesus in the Bible was not rich neither his Apostles.

achorladey:
That's what the conclusion becomes when the past is nothing to write home about. 🤣🤣🤣😂
I raised a question, you decided to join in and answer and your answers seen. Wetin remain again?

Cheers!🙂

achorladey:
Consequences of your past actions.

Ọmọ forget past and live in the present this is 2026 but it's OK if you feel there is nothing to laugh about enjoy the rest of your weekend!

achorladey:
Your itchy fingers eventually give you away today again. I don see you and your definition of worldly music.

Ọmọ we are not enemies o if you choose to be exjw it's a choice nah i choose to be a JW for life but when it comes to matters like this we can both laugh it out.

Meanwhile do you agree with my definition of worldly music?🙂

Expanse2020:
Abeg shift...
The man is conc. Jehova witness
There is a certificate of baptism in his house where he hanged him before he joined army self ... Stop lieing guy

Ọmọ Jehovah's Witnesses don't give certificates for baptism that's why i said "Make sure of all things" 1Thessalonians 5:21

You can ask anybody around you if JWs do give certificates for baptism that means his former religion before he started studying the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses!🙂

MetalJigsaw:
This is crazy!
Going by your logic
Jesus is Firstborn of the dead, that means he's the first to die, right

Imagine the highlighted but you will claim someone is insulting you for saying you're programmed.

Ask questions!

Instead of running to conclusion that will lead you to insulting others.

Jesus is the FIRSTBORN from the dead because he is the first dead to be raised back to everlasting life.

MetalJigsaw:
David is firstborn too so I guess he is also the first creation.

David is the first human King chosen by God that's how he got the title.
Ask more about those given that title so you can know why they are called FIRSTBORN.

MetalJigsaw:
The people of Israel Israel too ar the first creation since they're also firstborn

The nation of Israel is God's FIRSTBORN because that is the first time God chose a nation as his worshipers. Exodus 19:5-6

You are free to ask for more!🙂

MetalJigsaw:
What has Adam got to do with this , I don't understand your point.

Jesus is the first creature that makes him the first born of all creation {Colossians 1:15} Adam is the first human son of God {Luke 3:38} it's through Adam that God created a woman {Genesis 2:18, 21-22} the same way God used Jesus to create all other things and there is no creature that Adam didn't know because he was given the assignment to name them all {Genesis 2:19-20} no wonder the Bible equates Adam and Jesus because one of the two caused mankind's misfortune while the other was sent to redeem us. 1Corinthans 15:45

So if Adam had not sinned and brought mankind to this deplorable state we don't need Jesus again neither would we have to do anything with him because we will all be perfect sons and daughters of God.

MetalJigsaw:
Show me where in the John 1:1-5
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.
5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
Do you have any other questions?

I'm in agreement with all these it's with your interpretation that i disagree.

Adam is the first human on planet earth and there is no human that comes to life on this planet without Adam does that make Adam more than being the first human?🙂

achorladey:
How do you define worldly music?

Music written, composed and sang by the inhabitants of the world but heavenly music is the direct opposite.
Clap for me nah!

MetalJigsaw:
preacher of the word of God and the word of God are two different things.

ONLY Christ is identified as the word of God, no other person.


*The preacher of Gods word is a mere human
*The word of God is of God's essence and it is eternal.
*Jesus is identified as THE word of God itself, which means he's eternal and from the same essence as the father.
* He is also THE son of man in the revelation from Daniel 7. (are you aware? let me know)

The word of God simply means the angel who always represent God or speak in place of God so both in heaven and on earth the angel who later became Jesus is God's spokesman.

MetalJigsaw:
When he said him and his father are one, was he lying? No.

At your last paragraph, I already showed you the context that its a proverb where "Lady wisdom" is speaking as a person. It is even a women not a man.

Go and look it up.

One with God means in agreement with God's will that is why he prayed for all his disciples to be One with God in the same manner! John 17:22

Expanse2020:
Well o know a particular Jehovah witnesses who's was in navy before, he wa a Carew too in Ibadan that time...
So he didn't understand the verse or what.

He wasn't one of Jehovah's Witnesses but an interested person attending our meetings, before a person could be counted among us he must become baptized and we will never ever baptize a person whose work is to kill!
Many people do attend our meetings but we don't count them as members since they have not dedicated their life to our God to live by His standards so we are not like other religions that keep counting the crowds at their place of worship therefore if we give you a figure of all members of Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the world we are talking about those who are dedicated and baptized as preachers carrying bags to visit people in their homes to teach them what we believe and practice.