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Dtruthspeaker:
Only because this is an issue where I oppose you. If it was an issue i agree with you now you would not praise me and not insalt me.
So, your opinion is clearly biased and wrong and you know that whenever I tell anyone that they are wrong, they cannot reasonably prove otherwise, so that is why you immaturedly resorted to abuse me while running away.

MetalJigsaw:
Prove. 8 v 1- 3
1Does not wisdom call out?
Does not understanding raise her voice?
2 At the highest point along the way,
where the paths meet, she takes her stand;
3 beside the gate leading into the city,
at the entrance, she cries aloud:
(then she continues to make her speech in the rest of the verses which you presumed to be Jesus')

God's word came to mankind through Jesus that's why he is called the word of God. John 1:1; Revelation 19:13

Regarding wisdom the scriptures made it clear that Jesus is the wisdom of God. 1Corinthans 1:24

MetalJigsaw:
The Holy spirit was also involved in creation not only Christ.
If you read verse 7 it tells you. Its actually "Wisdom" speaking as a person its a proverb

So you are saying it's holy spirit that says all that shey?

Now who is dishonest?🙂

MetalJigsaw:
Bros haba
Does Prov 8 identifies who is speaking in those verses? yes or no. And who is that if yes?

Guy nah Jesus otherwise tell me who else could say all of that if not the only person with God in the beginning of creation! John 1:2

MetalJigsaw:
Does Prov 8 identifies who is speaking in those verses? yes or no

When i said you were PROGRAMMED to believe lies it sounds to you like insults but you were saying i am dishonest even though i'm quoting scriptures to help you get out of those lies.

Well if you must know Jesus is the only person with God in the beginning of creation {John 1:2} the one speaking at Proverbs 8 said he was created by God as the first thing {Proverbs 8:23} so he was with God throughout the creative days so you can choose either to delete Proverbs 8 in your own copy of the Bible or agree that Jesus who is the first born of all creation is part of the creatures!🙂

MetalJigsaw:
WhoProv. 8 v 22-31 Who is speaking according to the verse?

Who was in the beginning with God? John 1:2

MetalJigsaw:
Notice how I reply you with the scriptures that you're, wrong but you keep arguing pointlessly because of your ego and lack of intellectual dishonesy, even though I proposed us to have a honest discussion. Shows yo have been wasting my time all along.
This will determine if this discussion continues or not. Show me where the Bible says Jesus is Firstborn because he is a creation.

Ọmọ if you're not convenient with this discussion you can opt out no one is forcing you.
Proverbs 8:22-31 answered you:

“The Lord MADE me in the beginning, long before he did anything else. I was formed a long time ago, before the world was made. I was born before there was an ocean, before the springs began to flow. I was born before the mountains and hills were set into place, before the earth and fields were made, before the dust of this world was formed. I was there when he set up the skies, when he drew a circle in the ocean to make a place for the land. I was there when he put the clouds in the sky and made the deep springs flow. I was there when he set the limits on the sea to make it stop where he said. I was there when he laid the foundations of the earth. I grew up as a child by his side, laughing and playing all the time. I played in the world he made and enjoyed the people he put there."

That's Jesus in his prehuman existence talking about his origin take it or leave it!

Omooba77:
Why do we celebrate the rich more than the poor in some Churches?

Because you people are not Christians Jesus commanded his REAL disciples:

“Stop storing up for yourselves treasures on the earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal. Rather, store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal.  For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. Matthew 6:19-21

“No one can slave for two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stick to the one and despise the other. You cannot slave for God and for Riches." Matthew 6:24

So in a religious gathering where riches is celebrated do you think those involved are followers of the man whose words are quoted above?

Jesus said:

"You are my friends if you do what I am commanding you" John 15:14

Of course any religious gathering where people are doing otherwise should be called "ANTICHRIST"

Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the ANTICHRIST is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared, from which fact we know that it is the last hour. 1John 2:18

Expanse2020:
So you are saying no Christians in Arm forces abii

Use what the Bible said to judge that:

“You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? And if you greet your brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing? You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect" Matthew 5:43-48

So it's only the group of people who are living by this command that you should consider as followers of that man not just people claiming they are his followers.

Ọmọ the title "firstborn" only belongs to people who first got involved in some of sacred matters.
So Jesus is not exempted but as for creation he is the first creature made by God directly that's what the scriptures says.

MetalJigsaw:
Col. 1:15-17
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

In the Bible, Jesus is called the "firstborn" (prototokos) to signify his supreme authority, preexistence, and status as heir over all creation, rather than indicating he was the first created being.

Hope you get it now brother. The word firstborn is not literal but a title of christ preexistence

This term highlights his role as the Creator (Colossians 1:15-17), his resurrection from the dead (Colossians 1:18), and his special relationship with God.

The term signifies a close father-son relationship, often pointing forward to the messianic, divine sonship of Jesus (the ultimate "firstborn" in a theological sense).

You are not mature enough for me to be engaged in serious discussion so please stop quoting me.
Thanks!

Dtruthspeaker:
Malachi already shows you that like Sabbath, people had already long stopped obeying God's Commandment on tithing. And go and read The Commandment, even the levites were supposed to pay tithe. So that means that the High Priest too will pay tithe

MetalJigsaw:
I hope we be as honeat as we can okay
So we're all firstborn of God since we are a creation, listen to yourself. Stop the fashood.

There is always a firstborn in any arrangement. All you need is ask what qualifies that person to be firstborn!

NO!
They should play HEAVENLY MUSIC!😀

FxMasterz:
All these ramblings are unnecessary.
This is what the Word of God says:
Acts 10:34-35 "God does not show favoritism, and in every nation, whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him."
God accepts whoever fears Him and does righteousness. He doesn't have to be part of a gathering.

Now it's clear that you are a worker of Iniquity. On the other thread you talked about paying of tithe which can only work when worshipers gather and they'll use the funds for the upkeep of priests, singers, instrumentalists, widows and orphans but if someone refuses to assemble with that gathering how will he be of assistance or benefit from the arrangement?
Ọmọ whoever refuses to gather with all other worshipers of the same God isn't a Christian o!🙂

FxMasterz:
Are you telling me that Jesus was a law breaker?
Would He tell people not to leave tithes unpaid if The wasn't doing the same?

So you only said that based on assumption!😟

Well Jesus is the Highpriest himself that is why he never paid tithe to anyone and he condemned those receiving it because they failed to make good use of the arrangements! Matthew 23:23

After Christianity was established all the services of priests in the temple ended that is what brought an end to tithing in Christianity! Hebrews 7:5-12

FxMasterz:
Why would Jesus receive tithes when He Himself attended synagogues where He paid tithes.

Please can you show me where Jesus paid tithe in the Bible?

Thanks in advance!

Those fearing God and working with Him for righteousness always gather for worship {Psalms 133:1-3} so whoever refuses to join that assembly will not be saved! Hebrews 10:24-29

Why?

Jesus was a judaist before Christianity was established through his ministry but until Christianity was established Jesus continues to assemble with worshipers of God even though he knew the Jews were seeking ways to kill him but when God is about to condemn the nation of Israel and it's temple Jesus declared that it's no longer about a geographic location but anywhere Christians gather for worship. John 4:22-24

So if Jesus always gather with his fellow worshipers whoever refuses to do the same is not a Christian!🙂

FxMasterz:
My guy, let's leave all fluffs and face the real thing. This is the Word of God:

Acts 10:34-35 "God does not show favoritism, and in every nation, whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him."

God accepts whoever fears Him and does righteous. He doesn't have to be part of a gathering. Being part of a gathering is good. It brings support and extra nourishments for the soul, but it's not a prerequisite for being accepted of God. You lied.

MetalJigsaw:
Always get your facts night bro.
The Godhead is a grammatical word used to identity the divine being or any other deity in its entirety. Pls Check your dictionary. At your second point. If we're to go by your logic that means Jesus was the first person to die, since he's also identified the Flrstborn of the dead.

Dictionary is not a spiritual book but the collection of words used by majority of people so what it says is invalid regarding sacred matters. YES Jesus is the first spiritual son of God to die and cease from living. Since God created all His spirit sons none of them ever went into non existent except Jesus. Revelation 1:5

MetalJigsaw:
Respecfully, you really misunderstand the bible alot. The title "firstborn of all creation doesn't mean jesus was created. Its a term that points to the of supremacy and pretty eminence of Christ over all creation. remember God also proclaimed David as his firstborn even though he was the youngest of his brothers.

First born of all creation means the first creature you can read the Bible book of Proverbs 8:22-31 then come back and tell me who is talking in that passage.

MetalJigsaw:
Firstborn of the dead is his supremacy ove death as he rose from the dead with an immortal and glorified body. He lsubdued death. Your third point is the context of the beginning of creation and not the beginning of Christ.[/quote ]
God never died so Jesus was a creature who died just as God said regarding all those who were called gods! Psalms 82:6

[quote author=MetalJigsaw post=138544214]"In the beginning was the Word and the word was with God and the word was God The Word was in the beginning with God. The word became flesh... All things were made by him and nothing that was made existed without him.

"With God" is evidence that the word is not the same God nah! Psalms 110:1

MetalJigsaw:
The verse is saying Jesus was involved in creation of EVERYTHING alongside the father and the Holy spirit. So he's outside of creation, hence the verse: Nothing came into existence without him.

Ọmọ holy spirit wasn't mentioned in that verse and according to Proverbs 8:22 the person who was with God in the beginning was God's first creature!

The highlighted is programming!

The word "Godhead" was fabricated by trinitarians, it's from pagan traditions long before Jesus was born.

According to the scriptures Jesus is one of God's creations that's why he is called firstborn of all creation there is no firstborn who is not part of those being born.

The Son had a beginning that's why the Bible could say "in the beginning was the Word" only God has no beginning but as for the son his existence occurred at the beginning of creation that's what made him the First born of all creation! Colossians 1:15

MetalJigsaw:
I am not programmed to believe anything. I'm not an illiterate or a child.

The father and the son in the Godhead are eternal beings, neither are they human. Eternal beings have no beginning or end. Both the father and the son have no beginning as the father eternally generates the son, while the Holy spirit proceeds from him. There are clear verses that we can both look up bro.

FxMasterz:
Why didn't Jesus force anyone to join His congregation?

That is what holy spirit will teach them {John 16:12-13} and it helped them as they formed a congregation under the leadership of the Apostles! Act 2:42

FxMasterz:
The oneness of Christ's Body is premised on Christ Himself.

Of course it is directed to all his followers for them to have the same line of thought {1Corinthans 1:10} so they must all be under the guidance of one group: Apostles and Elders in Jerusalem! Act 15:1-2

FxMasterz:
When Paul and Barnabas separated, was it due to confusion?

They quarreled over Mark not teaching. Act 15:37-39

FxMasterz:
They're bound to be doctrinal differences.

Satan promotes such politically but Jesus prayed for oneness among them {John 17:22} so do you think Jesus' prayer wasn't granted?🤔

FxMasterz:
Why are you lying? You are referencing a point at which Philip was made a deacon, and another point in time at which he was visited by some believers. How do this establish that he didn't travel alone?

If there is lone ministry how can they have the same belief as Christians? 1Corinthans 1:10🙂

FxMasterz:
1. Tell me who went with him to Samaria before the Apostles Peter and Join came to baptise the people in the Holy Spirit?

Quote where the scriptures say he went alone.

FxMasterz:
2. Who was with Philip when he was ministering to the Ethiopian Eunuch?

I can teach someone who is reading the Bible alone that doesn't mean i don't belong to a congregation of believers where i will direct the person for further teaching. Matthew 28:20

FxMasterz:
3. When he was caught up by the Holy Spirit and was found in Azotus, who was in his company?

Christians are to work according to the direction Jesus gave them which is they must go out in pairs {Luke 10:1} so he can't be there alone without other disciples to work in the ministry.

FxMasterz:
You're even quoting David who was known to praise God alone. He wrote many of his Psalms in his closet. God is Glorified in His individual Child. God was Glorified in Jesus individually. Jesus often prayed alone, and God was Glorified in His prayers.

This your doctrine stems from demons. God said to Jacob "You are my servant (not servants) Jacob in whom I will be Glorified." Isaiah 49:3. Yet you are telling us that God is not Glorified in one servant?

Elijah served God alone. There was no one known with him. Yet, God was Glorified in Him. He belonged to no congregation. Jesus didn't force anyone to join any congregation. The Apostles didn't force anyone to join any congregation. Who are you to force anyone to join your congregation? The scriptures never said, nor inferred that only a Congregation can make anyone accepted by God.

David always join other worshipers in the temple and Elijah kept telling his own people Samaritans that they must join other worshipers in Jerusalem for their worship to be acceptable.

FxMasterz:
Can you point me to where I said there's no need to belong to a gathering? My position is that it is not a prerequisite for being accepted by God. Infact, God has the attitude of acknowledging single individuals from NG many fake members of a congregation.

It's a must because each person we preach to needs to be baptized in the for others to accept him or her as one of us!

FxMasterz:
My guy, you are yourselves one of the many contradictions.

Obviously we are not worshiping the same God with you people so there is no contradiction it's when i accept you as my fellow believer yet our beliefs differs that's what is called CONTRADICTIONS!

FxMasterz:
Anyone who professes Jesus, and has been washed by the Blood of the Lamb, and a has departed from iniquity, is accepted by God.

Acts 10:34-35 says "God does not show favoritism, and in every nation, whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him."

God accepts the 'Whosoever' that fulfils the above criteria. Joining a gathering is not part of the criteria.

So if you believe that why aren't you worshiping with any visible congregation?🙂

MetalJigsaw:
What do you mean "programmed". Do you know me before?
By the way, can we have a respectful and honest discussion about the Bible? Thanks

When a person is programmed he or she will just continue arguing on quotes but won't think of expatiating so that if his or her listener doesn't believe Bible stories they could get the sense of what he or she is saying.

How can a person be a Son but not born as in brought to life by his father?🤔

MetalJigsaw:
What is are u saying.

I said quote what is written in Bible and not what you were programmed to believe!🙂

MetalJigsaw:
Then its obvious you're intellectually dishonest.

Honesty is saying exactly what is written in God's word not twisting it to support your church doctrine.

God has many spirit sons! Genesis 6:1

Only one out of them is begotten! John 3:16

The begotten was God's first born son! Colossians 1:15

So begotten means one of its kind!🙂

FxMasterz:
🙂
Why are you digressing? Stay on the lane! Your position was that one person serving God alone cannot be accepted without a gathering! Where exactly did Jesus say that no one would be accepted if he serves God alone? Apart from that lone preacher I referenced, remember the mad man of Gadara? Once he was healed, he wanted to join Jesus' disciples/gathering and follow Him everywhere. Remember what Jesus told him? He asked him to go back to his family and city, and proclaim what good things God has done for him. He was literally left to go serve God alone. The Bible says he went throughout all Decapolis proclaiming as commanded so much so that at a latter time when Jesus returned to that area, a massive crowd awaited Him. Did that man serve God alone? Yes! Did he have a gathering? No! Did Jesus accept him? Yes!

You are mixing different things together but i will simplify it for the sake of others who are following this thread.
By the time Jesus was teaching his disciples there was no congregation for any new convert to join so if anyone becomes a believer in Jesus all what such a person could do is to tell others that he is the long awaited Christ the Jews has been expecting but after God's holy spirit has been used to anointed the group that will lead Jesus' disciples in the preaching and teaching work {Act 2:1-4} all Christians no matter where they are must be submissive to direction coming from the Apostles! Act 2:42 compare to Hebrews 13:7, 17

That is how they can be one not when each person decides to preach and teach whatever comes to his mind claiming it's from Jesus and that is why Paul emphasized on our gathering together as one religion! Hebrews 10:24-25

FxMasterz:
This is one of the doctrines of demons that the Bible warns us about. The Bible says that God gives every single child of God the Holy Spirit, and one of the major functions of the Holy Spirit is to Glorify God through us. The Holly Spirit does this in the life of every individual believer. We Glorify God through worship, service and by leaving a life of holiness and righteousness. By imitating Jesus through the help of the Holy Spirit.

God's holy spirit is not for confusion Sir that is what is happening among you people today as each person just wake up to start his own ministry independent of the body teaching whatever you like! 1Corinthans 14:33; 40

FxMasterz:
Philip was a lone missionary who went on evangelism alone. He travelled to far lands and preached all alone. He worshiped alone. He prayed alone. He preached to the Samaritans alone. He preached to the Ethiopian Eunuch alone. He confronted Elymas the Sorcerer alone. He performed miracles among the Samaritans alone. He travelled everywhere alone with no gathering whatsoever. He went far away from the Jerusalem fellowship. There was no record that he joined any fellowship anywhere else. He actually went to.places where there were no believers.

Wrong!
Philip was working with others disciples and he traveled with other disciples to places and his daughters were also disciples working with the group {Act 6:5 compare to 21:8-9} otherwise if he is alone how do you think the direction from the Apostles and Elders in Jerusalem will have influence on all Christians back then?🙂

FxMasterz:
God was not Glorified in him? God was not Glorified by his service? God was not Glorified by his worship? God was not Glorified by his prayers? Answer me!
Paul never said you won't be accepted if you do not belong to a gathering. The purpose of gatherings is support, as iron sharpens iron. Simple.

God is never glorified with a loner rather His name is glorified among multitude of praisers {Psalms 133:1-3} that is why we must remain in union as a congregation as Paul emphasized for our spiritual growth! Hebrews 10:24-25

FxMasterz:
Just show me a scripture that says, not belonging to a gathering gets you rejected by God. I'll be delighted to see it. Can you see your gymnastics? Your response shows you were taken aback by that reference, and had to concoct a lot of gibberish to defend your error.

Paul already said it at Hebrews 10:24-25 so it's left to you whether to believe the scriptures or continue judging others as if you are holler than them. For your information it's the holier than thou attitude that makes you think there is no need to associate with your fellow worshipers that is what Jesus never approved!

FxMasterz:
1. You said he was preaching Jesus but not serving God. Now, I know that those JWs who carry bags about pretending to be preaching Jesus are actually not serving God. Well, the Bible didn't tell us what he prescribed. The Bible says he was casting out demons in Jesus' name.
2. You said Jesus' statement meant he'll join them. Did Jesus say he should or would join His disciples as you claimed? Please show us where He said that. Jesus said THEY SHOULD LEAVE HIM ALONE.

These are two different cases, Jesus was just getting to be known as the promised Christ among his people that is why he insisted that the preaching of his disciples must first be restricted to the Jews {Matthew 10:6} but by the time his disciples have become numerous they must form a congregation so as to keep the same line of thought {John 17:22} if not there will be contradictions just as you people are doing today! 1Corinthans 14:33🙂

MetalJigsaw:
Happy weekend!
Please answer my question. I need a direct answer because the Bible is a sacred book. Let's follow the scripture for what is teaches okay.
Does the Bible teach that the word of God, Jesus is one of God's sons or God's begotten/unique son? Which one?

Son will forever remain a son that's what the Bible teach if you don't know the meaning of BEGOTTEN ask and mind you Google is not God's Holy Spirit!

MetalJigsaw:
Jesus is the one speaking in verse 22. He was making a direct statement. Even google confirms that

Quote what Jesus said and not what you are programmed to say.

Pootle:
you dont need to deprive yourself of food to have sense. The only thing i see in the holy book that make sense is LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF if you like do all the fasting of all religion and you cant follow that law then you useless.

Real fasting has nothing to do with starving oneself of food but liars and deceivers will prefer worthless things to truth.

The fasting and devotion God require of us is to deprive oneself of worthless things like smoking since you know it's not good for your health abstaining from it and staying away from those who don't appreciate good things, to share what we have with the needy, kick against your son who is doing yahoo yahoo and stop supporting the female child who is sleeping around with other people 's husbands. Whoever stands on this things will have no friends in this generation!🤔

Expanse2020:
Have been sincere with all what am saying and I asked you to fact checked all am saying.

There is a difference between quoting a book and presenting faithfuls who are PRACTICING what is written in the book.
So if the Quran teaches something good your only evidence that the book is from God are faithfuls doing exactly what was written in that book. I know you are not a baby when talking about intelligence therefore you can distinguish between theory and practical if your theory can't be put into practice by any known group then something is wrong somewhere.

Expanse2020:
Are the christians now faithful to each other's, re they stop fighting against each other's, have they stop bombing each other's..

Please try to be intelligent nah.
I said "there has never been a Christian who picks up weapons against faithfuls on the ground of tribal, racial or political grounds" so stop following claims and focus on actions.
If some people are claiming Muslims yet eating pork and drinking beer inside their place of worship would you agree that such people are Muslims and their place of worship a mosque for Allah?
Of course not because they are going against what Allah commanded in the Quran.
So stop calling disobedient religionists "Christians" simply because they claim so instead look forward to those practicing what Jesus commanded!

Expanse2020:
I didn't denied it...
So are you insinuating that no christian is a soldier and no christians killing each others.

YES!
The one and only Christian Organization on this planet are Jehovah's Witnesses and we will never ever support any race, tribe or political party against another so anywhere we go to on this planet is our home as long as Jehovah's Witnesses are there.
Racial, Tribal or Political barriers cannot separate us we all stand together to condemn anyone who goes against what Jesus commanded in fact there is no place on this planet where Jehovah's Witnesses will welcome whoever goes against what Jesus taught us because such a person has turned his or her back on our global family!

That programmed mind will not allow it to sink!

Janosky:
This is the clearest verse where Jesus expressed the hierarchy in heaven to debunk the Trinity doctrine of men.
The God in heaven is worshipped by Jesus & other beings , proving they are all messengers of Yahweh the One true God.

Expanse2020:
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Did you know David is a prophet and he went to wat
Did you know Moses is a prophet and went to war and can continue mention...
Jesus itself said he brought sword ..
Coming back to the book that lack integrity you maynot know even if Jesus or his followers went to war because the book has been edited and redefine to suite the slave master....
Coming back to your question
In the bible many prophets went to war and command batterllion.

Please let us be sincere with this we are not arguing in support of our own place here rather we are trying to figure out which scripture could make peace reign among faithfuls.

I told you that before Christ God told the Israelites to fight and defend the place where PURE WORSHIP is stationed that is why they are fighting against enemies of pure worship not due to racial, tribal or political reasons. If anyone worships the God of Israel no matter where that person comes from he or she has become one of them so they must not lift up weapons against such a person.

But when Jesus came he told his disciples that because they are taking pure worship to other lands they will have fellow believers throughout the world so anywhere their fellow believers assemble has become holy ground. John 4:23-24
For that reason faithfuls should no longer engage in tribal, racial or political wars because it will involve killing their fellow believers but they must have love for their fellow believers! John 13:34-35

Expanse2020:
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There many christians who believed they are Christians and follow orders killed another fellow Christians in another country..

This is where sincerity is required on our part. I explained why there was wars in ancient Israel against other nations who were against PURE WORSHIP not tribal, racial or political reasons. So why are you trying to return to what you yourself condemned?

Expanse2020:
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On Islam it said there should be some people who will be curbing some people who loved to cause mischievous on the planet...
Those who uphold law..
Like judge, military and polices and the likes whose uphold truth..
So it's agree to have a soldiers and other military in Islam.. In as much s it can curb mischievous

This is what you typed with your own hands:

You said:

Expanse2020:
In Islam we don't discriminate , about tribe, countries once you are Muslim. we believed we are one, brothers, sisters ...

So how can a Muslim be a soldier in one country and vow to fight and kill the enemies of his country without killing his fellow Muslims in other countries?🤔

MetalJigsaw:
That's not true

You only knew what you were programmed to believe prove my wrong by quoting the Bible to support what you believe.

God gave Jesus and Jesus passed it to John through an angel. Revelation 1:1-2

Expanse2020:
I never said there is no Muslims soldiers
There is everywhere soldiers Muslims
Muslims soldiers.

Is there no christians soldiers

Going by Jesus' command to his disciples there has never ever been one Christian who vows to kill his neighbor at the command of someone else since it's only Jesus we see as our commander!

So back to you, since there are Muslims everywhere who are into military service do you think such ones won't kill there fellow worshipers in other countries due to racial, political or tribal differences?