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JuanDeDios:
You sat in your house and decided that senior pastors and rich Christians don't engage in open air preaching. Smh. You see in the Bible that Jesus preached to 5000+ at once but you say Romans arrested people for gathering, so they he didn't do it. More smh for you.

Mention any billionaire or politician we know in our society who has preached in the streets or public transport because i have never seen nor heard of one.
We do teach thousands of people who come to our assemblies or conventions such ones come at their own will not passersby who are going to their respective businesses.
In the first century Romans do arrest any Jew who gathers a crowd addressing them in the streets that is why Jesus always speak to men, women and children who wants to learn from him.
This totally differs from people shouting indiscriminately at passersby who are going to their place of work or disturbing passengers in busses in the name of religion!

Peace Sir, One love!

Diamonddris:
Ah! Easy my guy
I'm just observing out loud

I only showed you the practical sense behind what happened back then it's needless arguing aimlessly Sir.
I believe the point has been made.

[1] Shouting at passersby is offensive in any sane society.
[2] Normal humans found it absurd to go out shouting without getting paid.
[3] Those taking the lead in different religions claiming Christians today don't do it.
[4] Wealthy people who are recognized and highly respected in your religions won't do it.
[5] Jesus and his first century disciples didn't do it.
So if you still feel like arguing just go and convince your people as for me and my own church we don't engage in disorder and what is not well arranged! 1Corinthans 14:40

God bless you and may you have peace!🙂

JuanDeDios:
So you run the risk of being arrested in Nigeria if you shout? Lol. What are you on about exactly? Jesus preached to multitudes - on mountains, houses, etc. The disciples also did. So?

If you can't show me where Jesus or any of his disciples used weapons and Jesus approved it.
I believe you have gotten the message you're just trying to hide behind a finger!

Well that's why we don't fight to kill our fellow believers something that is common among you people! Revelation 6:3-4🙂

FxMasterz:
Lol. You're not even ashamed of your hypocrisy. The sane organization that says do not wear beards, do not do blood transfusion, do not do this and that, is now telling us that the law is already written in our heart's. Shameless!

Let me quote that illustration of Jesus for you. Illustrations are not real life events, but the illustrator puts his own thoughts, opinions , ideologies and beliefs into his illustrations most times. Audiences can glean insights and draw inferences

Luke 14:31-32

“Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Won’t he first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? 32 If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace. 33 In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples."

1. The first bolded part, look at what Jesus said the king with a 10,000 army should first consider. He didn't say the king is supposed not to go to war, but that he must first consider if he still has upper hands against his adversary.

2. Then, see the second bolded text, Jesus is telling us what the ruler should do ONLY IF HE IS NOT ABLE. That means, if he is able, hr should go ahead and match strength for strength.

Now, this illustration was a big opportunity for Jesus to explicitly condemn wars, and also condemn rulers who raise an army if that was indeed His doctrine. Do you think Jesus forgot? He simply didn't say anything like that because it was not His doctrine.

Let me tell you the most probable ending that illustration would have if Jesus was opposed to militarization.

"Woe unto you rulers, for you raise armies to kill one another because of offences. Such are rulers of Satan and not servants of God. I say unto you, no ruler shall see the kingdom of God."

The above would have been Jesus' ending for that illustration. But, He didn't end it that way. Why? Because it isn't His doctrine!

You condemn the use of swords and guns by rulers but you want them to use the same swords and guns to protect you. Don't you have shame?

Please Sir you have nothing meaningful to say on this topic so i will say goodbye!🙂

bolabizzle:
Dig deeper!
Am sure you will see posts were I called out JW for speaking and lying against Jesus christ.
Go back and dig deeper.

Back then Jesus wasn't calling multitude rather they were searching for him due to the miracles he performs!
It wasn't his custom to stand on the street making noise to call passersby! Matthew 12:19
The reason is before his time prophets in Israel has the right to shout in their streets because it's God's law that's the order of the day but by the time Jesus walked the earth it was the Roman empire that ruled Israel so making noise in the streets was offensive as Roman armies were given the order not to allow the Jews form a crowd that could lead to a protest.
That's why John the baptist who came before Jesus during the same period had to go and do the shouting in the wilderness not in their streets! John 1:23
So Jesus can't stand shouting in the streets otherwise he could be arrested for inciting the people to protest.

I believe you know why it wasn't normal in the first century for his disciples to shout in the streets now?🙂

JuanDeDios:
So Jesus' most famous sermons were given to multitudes. He told his disciples that if they enter a house and find good ears, they should stay there, and NOT GO HOUSE TO HOUSE. It seems the idea was for people in that community to go over there to listen - like it happened in Zaccheus' house.

So if our churches decide to emulate Jesus by peaching to multitudes on TV, in crusades and in public busses, why are you questioning that?

Bolded is WRONG. The evidence on hand says churches that have adopted mass methods of preaching are more effective at gaining converts than those who have adopted house to house. The evidence is there.

Note: Acts 20:20 and the other one are irrelevant to this conversation because the disciples were talking about visiting THE BRETHREN in their houses, not going to the homes of unbelievers.

Sir these are your six threads on this forum:

https://www.nairaland.com/8588964/falanas-wife-blames-male-leadership

https://www.nairaland.com/8167587/planned-protests-suspend-bbnaija-human

https://www.nairaland.com/8163863/meta-removes-63000-instagram-accounts

https://www.nairaland.com/8031364/79-year-old-squid-game-actor-o

https://www.nairaland.com/7942868/japa-bank-manager-skyscraper-cleaner

https://www.nairaland.com/7780396/japa-surge-only-over-9000

None is about Jesus!

So if you never cared about Jesus how can you know the truth about what he taught?🙂

bolabizzle:
I have a lot to say about your organisation that lies against Jesus.
Thank me and Bless me so I can tell you more things about your organisation.

Please Sir how come you never said anything about Jesus for the past 38 months on this forum yet you have put up six threads?

Should i conclude that Jesus and his teachings means nothing to you? Matthew 12:34🙂

bolabizzle:
Are you tired of telling me "thank you and God bless you"?
Thank me so I can tell you more things about your organisation.

JuanDeDios:
Not true. Jesus did not preach house to house. In fact, he rejected that mode of preaching.

What Jesus told us is once we find someone who is willing to learn we should concentrate on that person instead of leaving him for another house where we may not be welcomed. Luke 10:7

It's only by house to house that we can reach the heart of our listeners {Act 5:42; 20:20} because we have to go back and teach them. Act 15:36

Jesus told us:

When you enter the house, greet the household. Matthew 10:12

Please Sir if i may ask:

The OP (Jesusjunior) is worried about billions claiming they know Jesus like you but refused to preach about Jesus and i also noticed that it's more than three years as in 38 months that you've been on this forum.

Why haven't you open a thread about this Jesus if truly you know him?🙂

bolabizzle:
You are welcome.
Jesus loved and preached truth so do the same thing. Dont preach lies.

bolabizzle:
You are welcome.
Jesus never said anything and later changed mouth like those JW leaders in warwick. Dont be like them. Okay.

bolabizzle:
You are welcome.
Do not believe the lies of those JW warwick leaders. If they were the only true organisation they wont be making changes up and down to look like other churches.

Thanks and God bless you Sir!🙂

bolabizzle:
You are welcome.
Jesus never said anything and later changed mouth like those JW leaders in warwick. Dont be like them. Okay.

Thanks and God bless you Sir!🙂

bolabizzle:
You are welcome.
Jesus loved and preached truth so do the same thing. Dont preach lies.

For just as the rain and the snow pour down from heaven And do not return there until they saturate the earth, making it produce and sprout, Giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, So my word that goes out of my mouth will be. It will not return to me without results, But it will certainly accomplish whatever is my delight, And it will have sure success in what I send it to do. Isaiah 55:10-11

Mankind has been worshiping different deities for centuries but none ever said the above except the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob!🙂

Thanks and God bless you Sir!🙂

bolabizzle:
You are welcome,
No more lies. say the truth and God will bless you too.

Thanks and God bless you Sir!🙂

bolabizzle:
Make sure you dont hide anything from them. tell them the truth that some of your members died for nothing and your leaders lied when they made the quote below. If you say the truth, God will bless you too.
You are welcome.

Diamonddris:
Jehovah's witness on the beat..
Very easy to identify you guys..

For seriously doing what Jesus taught us. YES!

"But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8

Thanks and God bless you Sir!!🙂

bolabizzle:
Please don't forget to tell your bible students that JW can now accept blood. I believe MrEar has reminded you of that several times.

Jesusjunior are you hearing your people?

All these people will claim they are Christians but do they see anything reasonable in the work Jesus assigned to his disciples?

The answer is boldly written on the wall!

I'm sure you know that no member of JW can say he won't do this work because that is what makes us Jesus' disciples for real.

God bless you and may you have peace!

DeepSight:
But why is he so vicious and violent?

Because He wants His worshipers to know what will happen when His own rulership begins on planet earth as at that time people will die without been attacked by beasts or angry mob rather it's angels that will be killing defaulters who deliberately chose to go against His orders unlike today that some people can steal, rob or rape and continue living angels will just strike the criminal to death at the spot during that time we will know what killed such a person because by then death is no more! Isaiah 25:8
So when He said:

"You must be holy" Leviticus 11:45

He wasn't talking about this system of things rather when His government rules the entire earth whoever refuses to be holy will die without being mourned. Isaiah 65:20; Jeremiah 25:33

Jesusjunior see what i just said.

This person is telling you what is in the minds of 99.9999% of Christendom!🤔

illicit:
All these no dey put food on the table...

This doesn't make any sense that is why 99.9999% of Christendom can't do it and those doing it are viewed as unserious beings even by their fellow worshipers.

Before Jesus established the preaching work he first led them from house to house visiting people in their homes some people welcome them while others drove them away. Matthew 4:17
Do your church leaders like Kumuyi, Adeboye, Olukoya take the lead in doing what you expect members to do?

Secondly Jesus sent his disciples out in pairs {Luke 10:1} this is in line with the scriptures {Ecclesiastes 4:9} because they will be asked thought provoking questions which they need to use the scriptures to answer.

Again Jesus don't shout at pedestrians or passersby {Matthew 12:19} instead he goes straight to the house of someone {Luke 19:5} who may ask him questions regarding what he's preaching and what they need to do!

After preaching they must converge in a place to discuss about the experience they had {Luke 10:1, 17} this means they don't just do it randomly but were well organized with a specific territory in mind! Matthew 10:6

Another important thing is they should have a common theme in mind upon which their preaching supposed to center {Matthew 10:7} this will help any individual who has met them before but ignored them to remember that he or she has had something similar from someone in the past.

Lastly your leaders often preach about material blessings which makes all your members to become materialistic yet billionaires among you don't go to the streets to make noise claiming they are preaching for Jesus so most of your people will conclude that this thing is only for those who want to become pastors, poor or jobless people!😟

These and many more reasons makes it difficult for many of your people to participate in doing what you are saying!

DeepSight:
Better leave Yahweh on this matter oh. Before he sends a bear to tear you to pieces.

Yahweh (Jehovah) will never ever do that to someone whose ancestors had no business with Him!
The Israelite children who were killed by bears had been warned not to provoke the God of their forefathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in fact it was written that Jehovah (Yahweh) will send wild beast to devour them if they go against what He commanded them!

I will send the wild animals of the field among you, and they will bereave you of children and annihilate your domestic animals and reduce your numbers, and your roads will be deserted. Leviticus 26:22

They will be exhausted from hunger And eaten up by burning fever and bitter destruction. I will send the teeth of beasts against them And the venom of reptiles of the dust. Deuteronomy 32:24

"I will send against you famine and vicious wild beasts, and they will bereave you of children. Pestilence and bloodshed will overwhelm you, and I will bring a sword against you. I, Jehovah, have spoken.’” Ezekiel 5:17

All the Israelites knew these because it's written in God's law that they should TEACH their children all the laws of God! Deuteronomy 6:4-9

So when Elijah angrily cursed the children mocking him and wild beasts appeared from nowhere to devour the children their Israelite parents will remember the warning from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!😟

MrPresident1:
Christianity is the religion of Rome.

Christianity is a religion for sure but the truth is there is a purpose why God sent Jesus to come and establish what His first century faithful worshipers were doing back then so if you don't know that purpose you will surely conclude that there is no organized people doing the same thing today just as you can't identify the tree if you don't know its fruit you will continue to misconstrue all trees as fake even though the correct tree is standing right before you producing the right fruit! Matthew 7:16-18

Morality is inbuilt in all humans it's like a property we inherited at birth but faith in God and Christ fine-tuned it.

How?

As humans we find it hard to do what is bad if we're not under pressure but it becomes harder when we know how negatively it's going to affect our future.

A girl may feel irritated sleeping with a boy/man who has not paid her dowry but much more disgusting to sleep with a man who already has a wife.

WHY?

Because she just doesn't want to sleep around jumping from one bed to another but now she has a solid reason to say no to someone's else husband.

In the same way we may hate doing the wrong thing but hate it more when we know the consequences!

Holy Spirit means God's Active Force so it made Samson more powerful than he supposed to be.
It entered Elijah and made him run father than horses! 1Kings 18:45-46

https://www.nairaland.com/8658726/rev-omolehin-retract-false-claims#139191840

Omolehin will be taken to court for what o?🙂

MightySparrow:
Show an evidence where Deeper Life took RCCG or lFC to court or any other.

Ọmọ unah dey carry unah members go court wella wella no be even for criminal case sef but person wey won start hin own church!

There is only one true religion and we don't disturb neighbor's peace with noise {Isaiah 42:2} instead we pay them a courtesy visit as neighbors {Matthew 10:11-13} who are concerned about mankind's future {Matthew 10:7} due to circumstances some may say they are not interested we will move quietly to the next door or house but in most cases many who have turned us down during the first visit often welcome us at other times perhaps due to disturbing questions lingering in their hearts that's why we don't give up on our neighbors but as regards noise we follow the part of our founder whose voice is not heard in the streets! Matthew 12:19

MightySparrow:
We are just having family challenges.

Families taking members to court!🙂


If any of you has a dispute with another, do you dare to take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the Lord’s people? ‭1 Corinthians 6:1 NIV

Does any one of you who has a dispute with another dare to go to court before unrighteous men, and not before the holy ones. NWT

Bí ẹnikẹ́ni nínú yín bá ni èdè-àìyedè sí ẹnikejì rẹ̀, ó ha gbọdọ̀ lọ pè é lẹ́jọ́ níwájú àwọn aláìsòótọ́ bí, bí kò se níwájú àwọn ènìyàn mímọ́? KỌRINTI KINNI 6:1

MrPresident1:
Now imagine that all those big big church houses and congregations are indeed populated by Christians like we had in Antioch and not churchgoers.

Christian-ity does not mean to be Christlike

To be Christlike is not an organised religion.

How did the DISCIPLES conducted themselves in Antioch before they were called "CHRISTIANS"?

Was it only one person the inhabitants of Antioch noticed or an organized group of people unitedly doing what Jesus taught?

Note that the inhabitants of Antioch called them "CHRISTIANS" which means it wasn't just one person they saw but a group of people and again it couldn't have been one person that will act like Jesus because the attributes of God's holy spirit is what Jesus exhibited which no imperfect human could adequately act in line with all those qualities. Galatians 5:22-23


Moreover it's possible to find nice and kind individuals in different religions does that makes the nice person a Christian?

Of course not!

So what makes the disciples Christians back then is how an organized group of people were doing what Jesus did because Jesus was with them in the spirit {Matthew 28:20} so he's guiding them in the work he assigned to them that is why observers could notice they were doing like Jesus who is called Christ but individually each of them has his or her own flaws which if considered nobody can call anyone a Christian!🤔

This thread is about LOVE and so far so good you have said the below about my comments.

KobolanderSegun:
You are Totally on point MaxInDHouse. I cannot add anything more you have said it all because what you have said is from the Bible.

But because you want to see people perform miracles you changed and typed the below:

KobolanderSegun:
Na wa persin that do not know the difference between Paul and Jesus ? Bros Please Kindly Never Ever comment in my threads again

It's OK there is no need to be angry we have just come to discover that both of us aren't worshipers of the same God.

Thanks for your time!🙂

Illustration differs from real life.
Jesus commanded his own disciples never to raise weapons against anyone {Matthew 5:43-48} that is why none of his disciples was recorded to have fought or kill anyone during battle something that is common in the Old Testament!
So this is the New Covenant not the Old {Jeremiah 31:31-32} where you expect servants of God to start quoting WRITTEN CODES like "you must not do this" "you must not do that" {2Corinthians 3:6} so this New Covenant is WRITTEN IN OUR HEARTS {Jeremiah 31:33} that is why we can read meaning to the thoughts, words and actions of Jesus Christ who didn't say "you must not join the army" or "nations must not have an army" but we see this in his manner of handling matters and the way his disciples peacefully conducted themselves in the first century! Matthew 5:9 🙂

FxMasterz:
You just like talking and writing off point.
The truth is that Jesus never asked anyone to disband his armies. Jesus even gave a war analogy in which he advised that a king with a smaller army should think well before joining war with another king that has an army twice as large as his. His analogy posits that if you still think you can win, go ahead and fight to victory, but if you think you cannot win, then, seek conditions for peace. Luke 14:31-32.

You guys just like spurning up doctrines from thin air. Nothing you hold on too as roots in the Word of God.