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MetalJigsaw:
What do you mean by "one of God's sons"?🤣 Which bible verse tells you that?🤣

Jesus is the unique/only begotten son of God the father. He and the father are of one divine nature. The Holy Ghost as well. Gerrit??

That's what you were taught to believe but according to the Bible did God have spirit sons?🙂

Expanse2020:
In Islam we don't discriminate , about tribe, countries once you are Muslim. we believed we are one, brothers, sisters ...
And if you take arms against your brother the prophets said such person will enter hell fire so Islam don't support WAr too not even political or tribe except when God allow them to fight in the cause of Allah after 10years of the persecution of Muslims in makkh...
You can fact check me on all what am saying too ...
Those was mostly were started by the disbelievers of the then time because Islam is growing..

So according to you now there is no single Muslim among all those called "SOLDIERS" on this planet today?🤔

MetalJigsaw:
Lol... u are funny. who dey tell una all did lie bro🤣

Jesus is one of God's sons true or false?

FxMasterz:
It seems you don't even understand the history of these things. Government banished someone into seclusion, who is that person that would go and meet him there? You don't understand that it was a crime for anyone to even go meet him at Patmos. There's no record of anyone going there to meet him. Give us such records if you have them.

Can you quote any reference work in the history of mankind that says nobody can visit the person banished?🙂

FxMasterz:
You want to digress to "the work He gave His disciples", meanwhile the argument is about serving God in a gathering. My friend, you don't understand how salvation works.

There is no salvation without WORKS as Jesus assigned to his disciples {James 2:18-26} anyone who wants to be saved must join Jesus' disciples in doing that work. Luke 18:22

FxMasterz:
Little do you even know that Jesus can return to take only one man if that man is the only man serving God on earth.

Funny thing is Jesus said to his disciples:
"You (millions of disciples) will be WITNESSES of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8
Ọmọ Jesus confirmed that his disciples will be everywhere on this planet even though they may be few in relation to the population of the earth! Matthew 24:14

FxMasterz:
It is the height of ignorance to think that God moves with gatherings. He moves with individuals even inside gatherings. That's why on the day of judgment, it will be everyone to.himself. And, starting from now "EVERYONE is to strive for HIS OWN SALVATION with fear and trembling."

God is not glorified in the worship of just one person that's why angels assemble before him in countless numbers!

FxMasterz:
Walking with God is a personal thing. Gatherings are just to help.for support and spiritual fellowshipping. It isn't a prerequisite for salvation.

Paul said you are wrong Sir! Hebrews 10:24-25

FxMasterz:
One man was serving God all alone in the scriptures. The disciples saw him and asked him to stop doing any work for God "Because he goeth not out with us" He didn't join the gathering of the disciples. Do you know what Jesus told them? He said "Leave him alone. He that is not against us is for us." Jesus said that lone preacher is for Him. Who are you to say he's not?

He was not serving God but preaching about Jesus something that has not yet been established that's why Jesus' disciples shot him up but Jesus made them realize that he should be viewed as one of them which means they should encourage him to join them not shot him up. That is what later happened to Apollo and the disciples brought him in to assist him! Act 18:24-26

So they were practicing a religion as they walk together in the faith as one group! John 17:22

Well if that is the agreement you have in mind but it's not an agreement rather its a barrier which Satan must not cross no matter what he does to Job.

mysticwarrior:
You are wrong, there was an agreement that job's life was not to be taken.

Expanse2020:
K
Ok continue
Am here

So let's put sentiment aside for now and focus on what the two books teaches regarding how peace could reign among faithfuls.
Of course there was wars in an ancient Israel which was due to pure worship as God told the Israelites to hold the place for sacred reasons but then whoever is worshiping that same God it's what God lay down as rules they should use to settle their disparities in a peaceful way among themselves.
So when Israelites were waging wars it was against enemies of pure worship not because of politics, race or tribe as God won't support that.
When Jesus walked the earth he warned his disciples never to raise weapons against anyone again because God no longer hold anywhere as sacred land but wherever faithful gathers is holy to God.

From that moment anyone taking up weapons against others in the name of WARS is on Satan's side not God's so if you hear of people claiming Christians but joining the army know today that they are not Christians because they are going to kill innocent people in other countries as well as their fellow believers during war and such could only be on racial, political or tribal grounds which shouldn't be among those claiming faithfuls before God.

Expanse2020:
Like wise no Muslims country in the world you people call it Muslims country...
Prophet Muhammad SAW didn't know Saudi Arabia too he was formed by the kins Saud himself so why would you said Muslim country killing Muslims country in the first place... Did you see that nowo

I never said Muslim country because i know there is no Muslim country anywhere it's novice that's saying such but what i'm saying is anyone practicing what Jesus taught in the Bible won't take up weapons against anyone in the name of WARS not even on tribal, racial or political grounds!

MetalJigsaw:
If your son is begotten of you who is a human being, is he not a human as well?

A son is of his father's likeness but not his own father. There are many sons of God according to the Bible and Jesus is one of them though the first born son of God! Colossians 1:15

First of all there are claims about things we want to accept or reject so please try to focus on what the person called Christ taught let's not complicate issues by using sentiment in this.

Jesus' words has been recorded in the Bible just as the words of Allah is found in the Quran that's why i never question the authenticity of your Quran rather i welcome what is found written as God's word if it will help faithfuls to make peace reign among themselves.

So leave the argument and focus on what is written in the BOOK that's what i will gladly welcome from the Quran if there is not condemning the BOOK or questioning it's authenticity.

People following what Jesus taught can't raise weapons against themselves this shows that there is no Christian country anywhere as true Christians are people following what Jesus taught.

Expanse2020:
Did Jesus said he his the founder of Christianity or some people calling those who follow Paul Christianity just like we called the Hausa kids almajiri....
The last time I checked
Yeheshua Peace upon him was a Jewishh rabbi... Who come to warn people and give those who follows a glide tiding..

Who is Matthew because according to historian most of what you christian claimed mattew wrote he was not the one wrote it..
You can fact check me..

So explain to me what did verse said and why the christians country killing people am revering to America and European at large

MetalJigsaw:
The begotten son of God. That's Jesus

Still the son not God Himself!

According to what Jesus the founder of Christianity said in the Bible book of Matthew 5:43-48 do you think people fighting and killing fellow worshipers are his disciples?🙂

Expanse2020:
Ok
Your religion accept WAR
That why it's easy for the European to be blowing everywhere in every part of the war...
I get the logic...

Was Russian, Ukraine, congo, Rwanda, Azerbaijan, Armenia also Muslim country that they wage wr against each other neighbouring countries or besiege by war by another

They are all worshipers of the same God nah!🤔

Expanse2020:
Which WAR is that

Are Muslims among those fighting as soldiers in different countries?

If there are Muslims, what else could be the reason for killing their fellow Muslims in other countries if not tribal, racial or political reasons?🤔

What a waste?

He's fighting for his means of livelihood without considering what could end the fight. Proverbs 17:14

Now is the time to regret all his actions! 🤔

sonmvayina:
God called Cyrus his servant/messiah....which simply means anointed king.
i will drop a video from youtube for you to watch.

Jehovah used that pagan King to fulfill His promise regarding the restoration of pure worship in Judah so the idea that Cyrus is the Messiah or anointed King doesn't apply to pure worship but chosen for a special assignment among all the kings of the earth.🙂

If no then why do Muslims join in WARS to fight and kill fellow Muslims?

Expanse2020:
No oo

FxMasterz:
Please name his attendants with verifiable references.

Wrong question. His fellow believers knew where he is so they can visit him he was banished not to continue converting new ones not to stop him from seeing his fellow believers.

FxMasterz:
Jesus lives in all believers by His Spirit in us. Tell me where the Bible says individual prayers, worship or spiritual exercises cannot be accepted.

Individual prayers is to be directed to God not Jesus {Matthew 6:6 & 9} Jesus only comes to the scene when it involves the work he assigned to his disciples so he joins them to lead and direct them on how to do it. Matthew 18:20; 28:20

FxMasterz:
They walk the Way. They're the imitators of Christ.

They can't do the work Jesus assigned to them if they are not together as a team that is what makes them members of a RELIGION! Act 11:26

They are deceiving people who think that is their real looks (the more you look the less you see) that's the watchword of demons!🙂

Obrigardo:
You seem to miss the point. They are all real, the ones who shapeshift and can be invisible, one that moves through dimensions and have terraformed body.
A new knowledge is coming and we will know more

Expanse2020:
I don't support War....it not a good thing any of it

Not you in person since no reasonable individual will support wars my question is does your religion encourage faithfuls to support wars and killings that has to do with tribes, races or politics?
I'm asking because this is what a religion from the true God supposed to erase in the midst of faithfuls.

Expanse2020:
In which war...
Be specific

Tribal, racial or political!

So Muslims can join in WARS right?

Expanse2020:
That what Quran also said..
Those who cause mischievous on earth annihilate them to put a stop from spreading corruption..
Then Quran also said you shod not killed a soul unjustly.. killing a soul in the eyes of God is like you killed the whole humanity...
Like wise saving a soul

Expanse2020:
Yes I agree
and continue to where you are going

This means the only true religion should be able to quench hated caused by racism and killings caused by politics among themselves.

That is what the Bible God promised to achieve among His worshipers in the last days! Isaiah 2:2-4

Now you are getting the sense of what i'm saying because whoever lift up weapons against anyone in the name of WAR is not a follower/believer in Christ so such a person no matter how many they are or what they claim are not Christians!

This is what Jesus commanded and taught:

“You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’  However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous.  For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing?  And if you greet your brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing? You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect" Matthew 5:43-48

Do you think anyone carrying weapons in the name of WAR is a follower of this man talking?🙂

Expanse2020:
Because some ppl trb killing some tribe means Islam cause it....

Someone from river State said and I quoted that Christians are braving up now that they were successful killed 12 people in their state...
Whereas what initially happen was Hausa christian and a hausa christian fighting because of space... And the Igbos start killing the north Muslims that doesn't even concerned them...
Should I now said that what Christianity bring...
No because I know what the prophet bring..
Will I a said Russia and Ukraine are Christians country fighting because it is in the old testament to kill...
No but that is how typical Christians think ...
So ignorant and don't ready to learn...

Obrigardo:
They do show themselves to people. The indian tribe in peru, bolivia all know these things for millenias and call them Machupanku.

The highlighted is true but what they're showing isn't real that's why those seeing them can't agree on their appearance!

True religion should have God as center goal not just worship that has no visible benefits for adherents.
So if the religion is from God adherents should quence hatred and killings among themselves.
That is evidence God is really involved.

Do you agree with this?🙂

Expanse2020:
Bring it on I don't have problem with that.

Constantine is a politician not a believer!

FxMasterz:
Please tell me who those people were.
The Churches received his notes only after he was restored to Rome. But all those years, he was alone on the island.

John had attendants visiting him nah it was only him that was banished from among the people he was teaching as they are all doing like his biological children. 1John 2:1; 3:18; 5:21

FxMasterz:
You see how your lies are exposed?
That means that individual would still strive even without a gathering!

How can their worship be accepted when Jesus said it's only in the gathering that he could join them? Matthew 18:20

FxMasterz:
The name of my Church is The Body of Christ.

The real body of Christ has many worshipers practicing true RELIGION! 🙂

mysticwarrior:
An enemy that was able cajole one third of God's Angels into his side and staged a powerful rebellion in heaven shouldn't be invited to the same heaven to attend a meeting don't you think?

All children of God including rebellious ones do take their stand before God in heaven though rebellious ones may choose not to be there after all they are going about doing whatever pleases them not God's will.

mysticwarrior:
Secondly why did the devil even went there without being afraid that God might use that to capture or completely destroy him if he attend the meeting?

Satan knew God won't do such a thing nah because it would mean God lost the challenge!
What Satan told Adam and Eve is that they can do better without God's guidance so it's until that has been proved wrong that Satan could be arrested but until then Satan has the right to move and do whatever he likes!

mysticwarrior:
Thirdly would you enter an Agreement with your worst enemy to allow that same enemy bring death upon your beloved and faithful child's family?

It's not an agreement but a challenge!🙂

kolosman:
We are told that God is all-powerful, all-knowing, and perfectly good.

I love this your opening words:

"You were told"

not

"You knew"

So try to study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) because God never claimed to be all knowing the way Religionists presented Him rather He is HOLY.

Now what does being HOLY mean?

Well it means to be pure in thought this is why God refuses to see any evil in the Good Works He did in creation {Genesis 1:31} someone who is Holy doesn't have any negative thoughts towards anyone but it's after humans begin to increase that God discovered that their thoughts and actions is always evil! Genesis 6:5-6

In fact He had to send some angels who has eyes all over their bodies to go out and see what humans are doing to one another on the surface of the earth {Ezekiel 10:12 compare to Revelation 4:8} they are the ones who keeps reporting back to Him what is happening in most places {Genesis 18:20-21} these are hard facts proving that you've been lied to that God knows everything while He only knows what He chooses to know due to the fact that He doesn't like seeing evil things {Habakkuk 1:13} as it always sadden Him and He loves happiness always! 1Timothy 1:11

mysticwarrior:
In Book of Job, Satan appears among “the sons of God” in a heavenly council (Job 1–2). Why would he who staged a rebellion against God in heaven be allowed to attend a meeting in heaven in the presence of God?

God doesn't reason like humans {Isaiah 55:8-9} so to understand what happened you have to read carefully and meditate thoroughly.
It's not only Satan that rebelled against God many angels later joined him and since God is the father of all they have the right to assemble among His children. God can't justifiably drive them away when they have not been judged it's after they've been judged that God can justifiably disfellowship them.
So as God's children who believe they are higher than humans in all things God promised to use humans as their judges.
How?
What this angels failed to do is obedience to their father and they feel it is impossible for humans to meet up such a huge task but after Jesus has come and taught humans how to serve God in holiness many Christians became born again children of God through their faith in Christ {John 1:11-12} it's this ones that God used to replace Satan and the demons who were formerly spirit sons of God but rebellious and God started revealing sacred secrets to these born again Christians something that no angel could receive before then! 1Peter 1:12
From that moment Satan and his friends knew there is trouble because they now have humans who have proved faithful to God even in the face of death! Revelation 12:11
So during the time of Job God's promise of replacing Satan and other spirit sons who became rebels seems impossible not until some humans proved faithful to God until death and became born again children of God!

mysticwarrior:
Secondly God and the devil even entered an agreement for the devil to bring tribulation upon job household just to test Job. Judging from the above would anyone be wrong to assume that the devil and God and working together and humans are meant to believe that they are enemies?

Satan and his demons are interested in proving that what God promised about humans being obedient and faithful isn't possible when we are facing difficulties so God used Job to prove that what He promised will surely come to pass because there will be many who will prove to be faithful like Job when the Christ walk the earth.
So it wasn't an agreement but a death blow to Satan and his colleagues who were nursing the idea that humans can't be faithful, loyal and obedient to God in the face of trials!🙂

FxMasterz:
Meaning when John was banished into the island of Patmos all alone by himself, he stopped being a follower of Jesus. He was no longer accepted by God since he had no fellowship to join?

Why deceiving yourself nah?
Who are those receiving the messages he is getting if there was nobody with him?

FxMasterz:
Meaning that those to whom Jesus revealed Himself through dreams and visions in isolated circumstances among Arab Muslims for example are all fake believers?

YES!
Otherwise there is no reason to spread the GOOD NEWS if Jesus could reach the places without his disciples having to go there. Matthew 28:19-20

FxMasterz:
You are one of the many religions with contradicting teachings to others. What difference does it make especially when your behaviours, doctrines and ways of life are completely anti-scripture.

That is exactly what we should call each other so the next thing to figure out now is what is the name of your own church so that we can examine the WORKS of faith your church is producing in Christ? James 2:18-26

Obrigardo:
Alright guys, haven't we 've come full circle here? Now the US government has basically claimed there's non-human intelligence and they've been out here
And this is to let you know some of them look like this.

Demons are fallen angels they have spirit bodies which is immaterial so you can't see them no matter what you use.

At times it's reasonable to consider what traditionalists also say on this matter for instance the traditionalists do say that spirits cannot be seen unless they want you to feel their presence and to do that they will come up with any format for the onlooker to know that there is a life around even though they can dismantle that body anytime they want.

So it's what you can relate with that they will use to show themselves which may differ from place to place depending on people and beliefs.