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MoonWater:
For deep frying and roasting. Una god like roasted meat.

It's the traditional religion that teaches such things the Bible God hates seeing people suffer in fact it pains Him. Jeremiah 7:31

Hell simply means grave and the lake of fire means complete destruction that is why death and grave are both said to be casted into the lake of fire because neither death, grave or evildoers will exist in God's Kingdom! Revelation 20:14-15

It's really difficult to convince whoever holds the traditional religion so tightly because even when they see in the Bible that death removes all the sins a person commits when living they still finds it hard to agree with the Bible! Romans 6:7

PastorAIO:
Believe as how? I believe such a thing exists. I believe it contains some historical events. I also believe it contains some cultural and mythological stories. I believe it contains some politically motivated stuff too.
I also believe that the creator is expressed in creation.
In what sense do you mean believe?

Do you believe the Bible is God's word?

dollytino4real:
yes o heaven at last is our goal

Of course few Christians will go and live in the heavens permanently because they have been chosen to rule with the Christ but no one can be in that number by his or her own personal desire God chooses who will rule with His son.
So if you wish to go to heaven know that it's not about your faith or goodwill rather God determines who is to be taken along with His son.
However the person quoting you hates faith in Christ with a passion the only reason why he is maligning me is because i have proved his religion (Islam) fake several times so he is now determined to continue opposing me in all things.

Here is what he said about faith in Christ:

DoWhatThouWilt:
But to be frank and honest... Christians of today don't know anything about their God, Their saviour Christ Jesus and their scripture the Bible.

DoWhatThouWilt:
Wow. Our daddy is now old and weak. Old age comes with ailments.....ailments daddy G.O. cant cure even though the power of "god" is in him.

To him faith in Christ is satanic and demonic!

PastorAIO:
Who said god arranged anything?

Do you believe the Bible?🙂

dollytino4real:
dat is eh, wen u talk faith they talk history and science.

If you are not interested in discussing it i believe there is no need arguing over it, you choose to go to heaven and that's OK i just wish to show you what the Bible really teach.
Thanks!🙂

dollytino4real:
When we get there we go know!!!

Animal no dey heaven and humans no dey go there nah angels dey live there will God. As for humans nah this planet God make for us! Psalms 115:16

God established an organized religion with the nation of Israel and told Moses:

"Now if you will strictly obey my voice and keep my covenant, you will certainly become my special property out of all peoples, for the whole earth belongs to me. You will become to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words that you are to say to the Israelites.” Exodus 18:5-6

As a nation the religion became like a covenant between God and the children of Jacob so God gave them laws that will separate them from other nations.

There was also a national center were they must gather as a nation to worship God annually and this place needs to be catered for also some of the people needs to work as permanent officials in the tabernacle that is why God chose a tribe out of all the tribes in Israel to serve as priests in His tabernacle. This tribe will not be given any inheritance they are to serve throughout their generations as priests in God's house. Numbers 18:20

This tribe is called "Levites" and they'll be the ones to be officiating inside the tabernacle. God commanded the rest of the tribes to work using their inheritance as capital but when they make gains (profit) they are to divide their profits into ten parts so ⅒ of their profits will be brought for Levites as food. Deuteronomy 14:26

Later when the people began worshiping other Gods they abandoned the Levites in the temple and due to hunger the Levites serving as priests and singers went away seeking food to survive! Nehemiah 13:10

This is the reason why God reminded the people that they are robbing Him as they are now depriving Levites their own share of the bargain since they weren't given any inheritance. Malachi 3:8-12

The covenant God has with that nation ended as they consistently decline playing their part of the deal {Jeremiah 31:31-33} this means there won't be any need for some people to serve as priests who aren't working anymore neither would any worshiper of God rely on whatever other worshipers bring to feed his own families rather all worshipers of God will know what is required to be holy no more sacrifices or burning of incense.

That New covenant began after Jesus died {Matthew 27:51} and resurrected the Old Covenant ended. Jesus revealed this using an illustration that he will demolish the temple and in three days rebuild it {John 2:19} from that day Jesus became the Highpriest and our spiritual temple. Hebrew 14:4

So the covenant through which tithing was established has been changed there is no need paying tithes anymore {Hebrew 7:5-12} nobody is serving as priest under Jesus to collect tithe because in the old testament it's the Highpriest who share the tithe after taking his portion. Musicians in the temple back then always sing so they also share in the tithes {Nehemiah 13:10} but today all of us raises our voices together to praise our God.

This doesn't mean if anyone feels like paying tithes he can't pay it but let them know that it has been cancelled among Christians!

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What is the difference between SOUL and SPIRIT?

Mymansky:
What Happens After Death?

1) Direct answer
When you die, your body goes back to the dust, but your soul goes to its place. Those who are in Christ go immediately into a conscious rest in the presence of the Lord; those who reject Him go to a conscious prison, awaiting judgment. Later, there will be a bodily resurrection: the righteous are raised at His coming, and others are raised afterward for the final judgment. Then comes the final state—life with God in the New Heavens and New Earth, or destruction in the lake of fire.
2) Scriptural explanation
- Body and spirit: “Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it” (Ecclesiastes 12:7).
- Conscious after death: The Lord showed a comforted man and a tormented man after death (Luke 16:22–23). He told the repentant thief, “Today shalt thou be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). That’s not sleep; that’s conscious presence.
- For the believer: “Absent from the body… present with the Lord” (2 Corinthians 5:. We have “a building of God, a house not made with hands” (2 Corinthians 5:1)—a heavenly, waiting body. Paul desired “to depart, and to be with Christ” (Philippians 1:23).

Continue here:
https://truebibleteachingsai.org/answers/what-happens-after-death-c101c1a

I don block am already if he feels like chatting let him find his own brothers if there is any!🙂

Truthseeker10:
Don't mind the unserious fellow. He clearly does not understand his own teachings that Is why he contradicts himself.

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kayjordan:
Then I have validated my argument.

kayjordan:
Then my article is validated.

Faith in itself is not a possession of all kinds of people {2Thessalonians 3:2} we don't know people by appearance or by things they do rather we reach their heart to know who they really are.
Everyone decides on what to do with the message of the Good News and you too must not be restricted from choosing your own path! Matthew 7:13-14
Farewell!🙂

Truthseeker10:
You are clearly mischievous....

Instead of humbly asking for help he is pretending yet contradicting himself but at the same time mentioned my name as if i must agree with him.🙂

QuinQ:
Most people don't mind NOT going to heaven. They just don't want to land in hell. JW taught people like MaxInDHouse that there is nothing like hell?

Bibelipo:
1) Direct answer
No. The Bible does not authorize women to serve as preachers or to hold the fivefold ministry offices (apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers).

In the congregation of God where there are BAPTIZED males the woman is to be silent {1Corinthans 14:34; 1Timothy 2:11-12} but they can go out to preach before unbelievers who don't know what our God says that's why we have female prophets in the first century:


Leaving the next day, we reached Caesarea and stayed at the house of Philip the evangelist, one of the Seven. He had four unmarried daughters who prophesied. ‭Acts 21:8-9 NIV‬


So women can assist in the preaching work while in the congregation of God they are to remain silent but when there are no baptized males yet then a baptized female can lead with a covering on her head signifying she's not supposed to do that in a normal setting because of angels! 1Corinthans 11:30

If that's what you choose.🙂

kayjordan:
Would I be correct to say Jesus was just an influential man in the Biblical days - and not necessarily a son of God - but rather the "son of God" statement was just a title exaggerative people gave him just to please him (they knew he wasn't) - and people began believing for real that he's a son of God when it's physically and universally not realistic?

Whatever you choose!🙂

kayjordan:
So let me re-interpret this with my scientific mind in lay-man terms:
"Jesus came into this world in human form but was "assumed" a spirit possessed by a human body - After he died, his followers "dreamed" of him appearing to them at night high above the sky and he promised them he will come again in a dream to them".
This my interpretation above is more realistic.

kayjordan:
Probably I have read it and missed the point.
Nevertheless, I'm safe to assume, Jesus Christ of Nazareth was 100% "no different" from a current pastor of today or a current magician on stage today.
Therefore, people should realize that they worship a "man".

Jesus wasn't like the usual pastors you know in your streets because he will not make a noise for people to hear his voice disturbing them {Matthew 12:19} neither does he call people to come and watch his supernatural acts the miracles occured out of pity for his people.

His disciples never see him as their God in fact he told them they are his brothers while himself and all his disciples have the same father and God! John 20:17

So once again that is another evidence most religions claiming Christians are FAKE!

kayjordan:
Does a spiritual Jesus exist? - where is he now?

Jesus wasn't a human when God created him but a spirit (angel) so when he came as human everything he is coming to do was listed, he has no choice than to live by what God wanted him to do.
After his death he resurrected the third day not as human again but as a powerful SPIRIT {1Corinthans 15:45} from that time he started showing himself only to his faithful friends until the day he departed left the planet and an angel told his disciples who were eagerly looking into the sky where Jesus was taken away from them:

“Men of Galʹi·lee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus who was taken up from you into the sky will come in the same manner as you have seen him going into the sky.” Act 1:11

So Jesus will never ever appear physical again we just have to watch out for things he promised regarding his presence in our midst.

He said when he returns there will be signs globally that a powerful spirit king is around! Matthew 24:3-14

Most are anticipating a flying man from the sky but have they seen Jesus before?

So it's by the signs that we will know Jesus is around not seeing him physically!🙂

Now you are going in circus because i've answered this question in my previous posts!🙂

kayjordan:
Christianity in the B.C period, is just like politics where the people expect so much from leaders and get disappointed. By the way, I'm curious to know Jesus. I want to know why he was so slow to impress the people - is it because he was 100% human with limitations and not a superman at all? You just mentioned here, that God wanted to show his miracles because some worshipped demons - that's why I'm asking what miracles can God or his anointed men possibly do - or is God and His anointed persons in the bible physically inclined with zero spiritual powers?
I want to be clear on whether people worship a 100% theorical God - or a 50% theorical/50% superpower God.

https://www.nairaland.com/8674310/does-god-really-torment-people

Does God really torment people eternally in Hell?

“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life" John 3:16

For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23

The wicked will retreat toward the Grave, All the nations who forget God. Psalms 9:17

So follow the way of good people And stay on the paths of the righteous, For only the upright will reside in the earth, And the blameless will remain in it. As for the wicked, they will be cut off from the earth, And the treacherous will be torn away from it. Proverbs 2:20-22

In all of these it's clear that death or destruction is what God had in mind for evildoers! Genesis 2:17

QuinQ:
My friend there was no time God asked people to keep any of the other laws neither. God's laws were in effect right from creation. That some were later given to Moses in written form doesn't mean that's when they started.
You still haven't told us where Sabbath was abolished or stated to be only for Jews.

Just try to erase my name from your head it doesn't worth it when you feel someone is wrong yet keeping their matter in your brains. I never thought of you until you mentioned my name in fact i'm not even interested in this thread because i know it's the usual stuff of heaven is real hell is real issue.

Abeg delete my name in your head go and share whatever you think you know with whoever is willing to listen to you!

QuinQ:
Most people don't mind NOT going to heaven. They just don't want to land in hell. JW taught people like MaxInDHouse that there is nothing like hell?

Farewell!🙂

So in a nutshell you fabricated what you said there was no time God asked people to keep any Sabbath before the time of Israelites entering the promise land!🙂

QuinQ:
You are the one roaringly funny!😂😅🤣
Please show us where God mentioned thou shall not kill before the time of Israel or any of the 613 commandments for that matter. Better yet, show us where Sabbath was abolished or stated to be only for Jews - bearing in mind the Lord said he came to fulfill the Law not abolish it

kayjordan:
I want to know if you keep records of your faith the same way writers in the bible kept records of Christianity - that's by the way.

There was no point in time when God's servants listed the names of wealthy ones and their net worth among them.
However we keep all records of things we've been doing since the time Jesus returned as a spirit king until today!🙂

kayjordan:
The question here:
If man achieves wealth through HARD-WORK - can such man use his "Hard Earned" wealth to help the needy?
If so,
What will be the reward of the "Hard-working" wealthy man for his kind gesture?

The needy in God's word refers to individuals who wants to support God's work but are financially incapable not beggars in the streets that is why you can never ever see where a servant of God gave any beggar a dime in the Bible. If any of us becomes rich in this system of things his riches will be useful to help those who are willing to support the preaching and teaching work Jesus assigned to his faithful disciples so such funds are gathered to build Kingdom Halls, print Bibles and literatures and other things requiring money. Today if anyone wants to study the Bible the printed publications will be given to him/her freely it's whatever he/she has that will be taken as donations if he/she also wants to support financially because our God doesn't view people as important due to their riches rather what they are at heart! Luke 21:1-4 compare to 2Corinthians 9:7🙂

kayjordan:
Interesting insight!
Practically, miracles were reserved for the "chosen ones" in Israel - and seized to exist after Jesus's rejection - Hmm!
The Golden Question is why they rejected him?

*Was Jesus rejected because he was a fake magician?
*Was Jesus rejected because the people were not blind?
*Was Jesus rejected because he was a public nuisance?

The Jews as a nation rejected Jesus due to their long awaited expectations that Jesus didn't fulfill in their eyes.
God promised that the Christ will conquer all the nations {Daniel 2:44} and make them subjects to the Jews in Jerusalem where King David ruled {Isaiah 2:3; 9:6-7} so when they saw that Jesus was performing miracles like Moses prophesied the Christ will do {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} they decided to make him their king by force {John 6:15} but he rejected it because there is still lots of works to be done before God hand over the nations to the Jews.
They have to learn humility from Jesus so they can go out to other nations and declare the message of God's Kingdom {Matthew 10:6; 24:14; 28:18-20} if not the destruction of other nations can't be justified since they don't know God's program so it's after the Jews have accepted Jesus' wise counsel and move to all the nations with the kingdom message that destruction of disobedient people could be justified. In fact God said in the last days His true worshipers will be all over the earth each person discussing with his neighbor about how to please the true God and the names of those participating in this program will be written before God in heaven {Malachi 3:16} so that by the time Jesus and his heavenly armies come to destroy evildoers it's the names found in that book that will serve as means of escape for those who studied God's word with God's servants in the last days! Revelations 20:15
But the Jews were impatient they want it to happen immediately as Jesus has proved to be the Christ, even his own disciples were affected with the Jewish impatience but they were willing to do whatever it will take for them to rule with Christ when his government begins! Act 1:6-8
That is why 99.9% of first century Jews rejected Jesus leaving just few Jews to do the work Jesus assigned to all Jews. Today Jehovah's Witnesses preaching and teaching throughout the world are just fulfilling a prophecy in the Bible that millions will support those few Jews by assisting them to complete the huge task of preaching around the globe! Zechariah 8:23

kayjordan:
If one ask a true believer for a miracle from God and doesn't "demand" - and God promises to show his miracles through such believer or - better still, by Himself - what magical stunt could God possibly pull off in 21century that since last happened in 1st century?
And please don't mention people's daily physical experiences and testimonies as your God's miracles...

God never promised such a thing it started and ended with faithful servants of God in the land of Israel.

This is really funny walahi talahi!🙂

OK because God said He rested on the seventh day He commanded people also to do the same before Israelites were chosen shey?
Please show me where God mention the Sabbath before the time Israel o!🙂

QuinQ:
You are the one who never actually read and contemplate the Bible for yourself but rely entierly on your leaders interpretation of the day!
Sabbath was instituted at creation when God rested on the seventh day and blessed it (Genesis 2:2-3). It is a universal, creational ordinance for humanity and predates Israel by thousands of years.
Until Abraham no one was Jewish (Genesis 11:26).
Jesus honored the Sabbath by keeping it every week (Luke 4:16).
The disciples kept it (Acts 18:4, 11; 16:13).
It will be kept in heaven and the new earth (Isaiah 66:22-23).
The Bible presents an unbroken cycle of Sabbath observance from man’s creation to the earth made new.
The ONLY reason you observe Sunday as Sabbath is ROME, no other reason!
History records some Christians kept the pagan worship day (Sunday) in Rome and other places where the church was compromising to escape persecution and to maintain membership. As the church grew in political power it officially sanctioned Sunday keeping instead of the Sabbath. And infact today Popes and the Catholic Church point to success of Sunday Sabbath as proof that their authority and tradition are superior to the plain teachings of the Scriptures!

So you be woman sef.

Abeg shift joo!🙂

Lovelink1991:
Whether clean or not is not for you to judge. And why are you referring to me as guy. Do I look like a man in your face? Nobody is judging the priest and the level with which the man collapse into the grave cannot be for skit. A situation where you use your face to slap the casket in the grave and remain motionless is a skit. Let's be human for ones. Thank you

kayjordan:
Who are the richest JW members in 2026 and state their networth in dollars or naira?

And what has this got to do with your thread?🙂

You need to STUDY the Bible not just what you heard from religions claiming Christians!🙂

From the days of Adam till the time of Israelites in Egypt there was no single person given the power to perform any miracle.

WHY?

Because God has not chosen a nation as His own worshipers but by the time He wanted to establish Israelites as His own people God began using Moses to perform miracles.

From that time God never used someone from any other nation except Israelites to perform miracles because He wanted people from other nations to know that He is the only true God.

People from all other nations were worshiping demons so God wanted to prove that He is the only true God that is why He restricted miracles to only that nation.

The last miracles God used humans to perform was in the first century when Jesus' disciples started the work God gave all His those willing to worship Him.

So after the death of Jesus' first century disciples miracles through humans ended.

WHY?

Because the nation of Israel rejected God's only begotten Son despite all His loyalty to that nation.

Today if anyone wants to know for sure whether that same God is still working among His worshipers all you need to do is ask for what He promised not just making demands.

I thought we have passed this stage nah!🙂

kayjordan:
The issue with "Defenders of Christianity" is the inability to separate spiritual context from physical context.
If I ask a physical question - I get an abstract response that doesn't relate to current societies. How can 21st Century people work with biblical knowledge of ancient times that are too "supermanish" for a physical and secular world that has never seen any of the magic that took place in the biblical stories?

kayjordan:
What about if he grows it wisely?

That is HARDWORK!
Which means he is not lazy.
There are two types of laziness:
One who fails to use the muzzle of his hand to work and one who failed to use his brains to calculate or improve on what was given to him!

QuinQ:
Yet almost all churches have crosses.
God's commandments also say:
Remember Saturday to keep it holy. On that day you must rest and do no work.

You never studied the Bible you only joined a religion that called themselves church of Christ.
Crosses are signs of paganism and the Sabbath was given to Israelites only it's not for Christians.
If you want to know the laws affecting Christianity check what the first century disciples of Christ held seriously.

QuinQ:
Plus the other 613 commandments.
Besides, suppose your JW leaders interprete tomorrow that you'd start having images, does that mean you have stopped priducing good "fruits"?

The use of images is not just a law but principle.
God commanded His worshipers not to use images because they don't need to see an image of Him to know that He is with them.
So if you enter any of our Kingdom Halls you can't see a single image.

And as for the fruit of faith that God foretold about His worshipers in the last days read the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3 any religion that's not meeting up with that criteria is fake!🙂