Enemyofpeace:

This is purely history. Read with an Open mind.

In the very beginning, there was only one Christian World, the Catholic Church until....

In the beginning Rome as a nation stood against the disciples of Christ and all of them suffered greatly in the hands of Roman Emperors in fact Apostle Paul was beheaded by a Roman Emperor.

Politicians often seek means to expand their territory by all means so when Constantine a Roman Emperor discovered that he could use the Apostates (former members of the church) to strengthen his government he invited them and formed a council this council are the ones who started the Roman Catholic Church but it wasn't easy for them because the real disciples (Christians) knew these ones aren't really interested in what Jesus taught they're only yearning for positions. 3John 1:9-10
So these Apostates started instigating the Roman Emperor against the real Christians claiming they're against the Christ and since the Emperor's main objective is politics while true Christians don't practice politics he gave the apostates all the support they needed to wipe out the true Christians.
That was how the Catholic Church became the prominent religion people knew back then as Christians. The real disciples of Christ don't engage in politics or military services because their leader commanded them to be harmless as dove {Matthew 10:16} which will be extremely impossible for politicians who only want the backing of men! Matthew 19:26

If you are open minded you will notice that the Catholic Church has nothing to say or do when members of their church are fighting against their fellow worshipers in other lands, that's totally unchristian because Jesus commanded his own disciples to have love among themselves just as he love them {John 13:34-35} meaning that it's better for them to lay down their lives in behalf of their fellow believers than to be the ones killing their brothers in the faith.

So my friend the Catholic Church is the religion that promoted what the Bible called the Antichrist religion that bears the name of Christ but has nothing to do with his opinion rather they're doing the direct opposite of what he laid down as legacy! 1John 2:18; 2John 1:7

If you want to know more about this Google "the dark ages" you will be shocked to see the atrocities committed by the same Catholic Church in the past which led many to protest against the church becoming PROTESTANTS.

Catapault:

Are you aware that there is actually no evidence he ever lived?

If you read about someone who said:

“It does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction. But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8

And after thousands of years you now have a global family who have come out from different geographical locations in all the tribes of the earth practicing what this person said as if he is still somewhere instructing them to do exactly what was written what else do you need to believe that such a person really exist?

Well there is much more evidence that even my own great grandfather can't be compared to such an historical figure when talking about the reality of his existence because i don't know anything about my great grandfather other than the idea that people gives birth to people but when talking about the legacy Jesus laid down and the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the earth today ọmọ it will take the greatest lie ever told in the history of mankind to say such a person never existed!

achorladey:

Your madness and insanities peddling brains cannot relax after not seeing my mentions of you . I hope your mental instability peddling brains is getting fixed.
That the only religious organization practising what Jesus taught lost me to the hands of brocab is giving your madness and insanities peddling brains unrest
You will love him to bear fruit for your 9 GODS of men housed in USA but your love for stealing like thieves what does not belong to you will not allow that as you love stealing the name Christian then abandon the name in order to take upon yourself the name Jehovah’s witnesses.
Bookmarked! Na for reference purpose.

Who did this to you?
Don't you think of something reasonable again other than madness and insanities?
Well that's what demons does to people who turns back on truth so enjoy your bliss!

Ken4Christ:


Please, interpret the passage below to me:

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

"Before Abraham (the ancestors of Hebrews) i exist"

Michael547:

You guys should leave Mr Emusan alone.
I gave up on him when He agreed that it was 'Jesus' that told 'Jesus' to sit at his right hand in psalm 110:1.
How could you possibly reason with such a person that made sense out of that statement?
So just leave him.

EXACTLY!

Emusan:


The person who wants attention won't come up with facts.

You're the one who has never provided a single fact to back up your claim.

I repeat, Emphatic Diaglott and Kingdom interlinear (Both Watchtower works) don't have the name Jehovah in any NT.

See screenshot below how Rom 10:13 was translated, what did you see? Lord not YHWH or Jehovah.

And to crown it all, Watchtower made it clear that the use of the name isn't IMPORTANT as God doesn't see the need to preserve the PRONUNCIATION.

You can't eat your cake and also have it.



You can call yourself anything but the truth remains the truth as the saying goes "You use scripture to form doctrines but you can't use doctrines to form the scripture."

If you want to discuss on WITNESSING you can start a thread on the topic so interested ones will join you but as for us we are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES even Jesus is a witness of our God:

and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood. Revelations 1:5

Jesus bear WITNESS to JEHOVAH! John 17:6, 26

cornelboy:

I see you as inferior when it comes God's word and its accurate interpretation.

He has helped achorladey to become a REAL Christian so he believes others too can join him!

Emusan:

If your evidence is solid, of course I will.
I'm not follower of Satan who will see fact and reject it. I'm glad you said IT'S A QUOTE and I've given you more than enough evidence why no one will UTTER THAT NAME during the time of Jesus not even when both Jesus and His disciples were under the watch of the Pharisees to find little thing to accuse them for. Also, your quotation came from NWT only, yet you mention another translation below for comparison. Why? Lastly, both Peter and Paul were talking about Jesus Christ so applying OT to Jesus isn't new. Only a dishonest person will say otherwise. This is also quotation. I'm expecting you to provide the NT manuscripts that was discovered to support your claim.
YHWH never appeared in the NT, how many times will this be hammer into your head.
Emphatic Dialogue and Kingdom interlinear never used JEHOVAH in any place in the NT.
You can only proof me wrong be providing the manuscripts that contain the name. So, how will you make use of the name YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO PRONOUNCE? That's impossible.
Meanwhile, USAGE IS DIFFERENT FROM Quote

Compare this with what you quoted above:
Acts 9:15 "But the Lord said to him: "Be on your way, because this man is a chosen vessel to me to bear my name to the nations as well as to kings and the sons of Israel."
Acts 1:8 "YOU will be witnesses of me (Jesus) both in Jerusalem and in all Ju·de´a and Sa·mar´i·a and to the most distant part of the earth."
Revelation 12:17 "So the dragon became enraged at the woman and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her offspring, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness concerning Jesus."
Mark 9:38-39 "John said to him: "Teacher, we saw a certain man expelling demons by the use of your name and we tried to prevent him, because he was not accompanying us." But Jesus said: "Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one that will do a powerful work on the basis of my name that will quickly be able to revile me;"
1 Corin 1:2 "I am writing to God’s church in Corinth, to you who have been called by God to be his own holy people. He made you holy by means of Christ Jesus, just as he did for all people everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours."
These are direct usage of Jesus name because it's the ONLY NAME for us today and Jesus is the one we need to witness to.
Jehovah isn't important that why God didn't bother to preserve its pronunciation.

You see what i said?

Guy you only want attention and i've given you enough if you don't agree with what Jesus and his disciples quoted there's no need arguing further.

We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Emusan:

just provide single place where the NAME JEHOVAH was used by early Christians for anything. That's the challenge you still couldn't take up since.

Even if i do you will not accept it because you're bent on discrediting God's personal name!

And everyone who calls on the name of JEHOVAH will be saved.”’ Act 2:21

For “everyone who calls on the name of JEHOVAH will be saved.” Romans 10:13

Here Peter and Paul quoted the prophet Joel:

And everyone who calls on the name of JEHOVAH will be saved; For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, just as JEHOVAH has said, The survivors whom JEHOVAH calls.” Joel 2:32

Check your KJV you will notice that the LORD there is in capital but trinitarians changed all to seem as if there's no difference between the two persons David referred to at Psalms 110:1

JEHOVAH declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” Psalms 110:1

The divine name is spelt out so whether we know it's original pronunciation or not God has a PERSONAL NAME!

Emusan:

The quotation is straight forward English.
The name isn't IMPORTANT if not God would've preserved the pronunciation.
If you asked any Hebrew man, you'll get the pronunciation.
Olodo....we translate because we switched from one Lang to another if you are a native speaker of Greek or Hebrew, you will pronounce the original.
Firstly, this shows that you know the PRONUNCIATION of your name. You can't tell someone what you don't know in the first place. Pronunciation is key in communication because you can say something that will lead you to trouble by pronouncing it wrongly.
In fact, like Yoruba lang signs are used to differentiate two words that have the same spelling. Why? To pass the accurate message.
Secondly, even given that you know the pronunciation, you're just telling the Brazilian your name not that you want to pass a message to the Brazilian in his/her native language.
Lastly, If you want to pass any information you must TRANSLATE to the native language.
Or in NWT Yoruba version did it retain the English Jehovah?
You're just dancing around because watchtower also informed that "...and Bible names generally have been translated rather than transliterated." Awake! 1973 March 22 p.27
You can keep dancing around but truth shall set your free.
It's not!
"Thus it is evident that the original pronunciation of God's name is no longer known. Nor is it really important. If it were, then God Himself would have made sure that it was preserved for us to use..."
The importance are:
1. God original pronunciation is lost
2. If the pronunciation can be lost
3. Then it means it's not important for us to USE.
4. If not God would've preserved it.
This isn't a big grammar just plain English.

Ọmọ you can't change the truth the Hebrew names changed to Joseph or Benjamin today is not the original pronunciation in that language because there was no letter "J" in the original Hebrew language so if they don't want the translations JEHOVAH then they shouldn't have named their most cherished city "JERUSALEM" and funny enough their president is named "BENJAMIN"

Do you now see the reason why nobody can rightly condemned the name JEHOVAH or JESUS in Israel?

So if it's important that we stick to the original pronunciation then there's no reason for translation of those names!

AbuTwins:

I asked what is worship?
Why is bowing to humans without God's permission okay but bowing to stones not okay?
Or is it that only Muslims' own get fault?
This is your David bowing towards the Holy temple!
Of David. I give You thanks with all my heart; before the gods I sing Your praises. I bow down toward Your holy temple and give thanks to Your name for Your loving devotion and Your faithfulness; You have exalted Your name and Your word above all else. Psalm 138:1-2
This is your Solomon!
1 Kings 8:29
May Your eyes be open toward this temple night and day, toward the place of which You said, 'My Name shall be there,' so that You may hear the prayer that Your servant prays toward this place.
This is David again!
Psalm 5:7
But I will enter Your house by the abundance of Your loving devotion; in reverence I will bow down toward Your holy temple.

This is David again!
Psalm 28:2
Hear my cry for mercy when I call to You for help, when I lift up my hands toward Your holy sanctuary.
And Daniel got on his kneels and prayed facing Jerusalem!
Daniel 6:10
Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before.
Ignorant hypocrites and liars!
Who told you we worship the stone from our texts?

There was no Temple in David's time so he was talking about the presence of his God not an object. Note that Moses bow before the burning bush when he heard God's voice that's a sign of respect for the person talking to him. But in the case of Muslims the black stone is of no significance so it's just an object!

AbuTwins:

How is this biblical?
The Church should report! If you don't report it then you condone it. You are always against the laws and constitution of the land!

You need wisdom walahi talahi!
It's whatever you can't resolve amicably within you that should be reported not what you can settle within the family.
For instance the EFCC do arrest fraudsters but if your own wife or son or daughter steal your money will you report to the EFCC?
Ọmọ even if they know you will say it has been settled, that's the meaning of a family!
It's because your Allah is not a living God that you find it hard to see your fellow believers as members of your family that's why you often fight to kill them when you can't resolve matters among yourselves!

AbuTwins:

If David did that then he should be stoned!
There's nothing like family issue. The soul that sins should die! That's what your Bible say!

You misconstrued God's word because the soul is precious to God that's why there is room for REPENTANCE sin that God can't forgive is that which the sinner refuses to accept discipline.
David slept with another man's wife and killed the husband but why didn't God kill David?
Because he was repentant.
King Saul didn't do up to that yet he was rejected because he was adamant.
That's the difference!

Aemmyjah:

Don't mind him
He's just using you to gain relevance on NL

He is really worried that there's no way he can rub off the name of God yet keep the name of the son.
The original pronunciation of the divine name is lost and even if we have it today we must translate it the same way we translated Jesus' name. So if it's important that we stick to the original pronunciation then there's no reason translating the name of God's son too!

AbuTwins:

So I ask you again what is worship?
If bowing, Kneeling and putting the face to the ground is worship then all the above are pagans!

The culture of Asians is to bow before someone they RESPECT like an ELDERLY person just as Yorùbá will do before our elders.
I remember when a Congolese first came to Nigeria seeing us doing so for elderly ones he objected furiously saying it's like worship in his own culture. So those people showed respect not worship that's why the commandments God gave Israel never said they shouldn't bow before a human because it's a sign of respect in their culture rather God said don't bow before OBJECTS! Exodus 20:4-5

AbuTwins:

Are there not fornicators in your midst that you excommunicate?
For example, in 2015 in Australia, the Jehovah Witness recorded 1006 cases of Child sexual abuse from 1950 and none was reported to the police! And there are many cover-ups within your organization which if you want we can proceed to expose here and you defend them!

Excommunication is for UNREPENTANT sinners not those who feel sorry wholeheartedly.
We only disfellowship anyone who is not ready to accept he or she is wrong because that's the first step into helping the sinner.
If you say we don't report wrongdoers to police who do you expect to go and make the report o?
We are one family and a member of the family did what is wrong of course it's a family issue nah it's when something like that involves none member of the family that the person who is not a member of our family will go and report to those whom he or she trusted can handle the matter in the best way.

Take for instance David's son molested his own sister abeg who do you think will go and make the report to the elders of Israel?
Is it not within the same family?
So in God's organization it's a family issue that is why you can't see us picking weapons against anyone or our own brothers and sisters unlike you people who will report to the police and when they failed to do what you want it will turn to community fight between Muslims and Muslims!

Aemmyjah:

Question
No insult
Will you attribute your mother as terrible?
Yes or No?

Spiritual meaning of Lion in the Bible is justice.

The four living creatures around God's throne have four different faces! Ezekiel 1:10

MAN'S face representing LOVE which is God's predominant quality.

LION'S face representing JUSTICE.

EAGLE'S face representing foresight (wisdom)

BULL'S face representing energy (power)

So when the scriptures called Jesus the lion of the tribe of Judah it simply means he is completely impartial when handling matters!

Emusan:

Liar!
Let me refresh your memory again:
"Thus it is evident that the original pronunciation of God's name is no longer known. Nor is it really important. If it were, then God Himself would have made sure that it was preserved for us to use..."
Direct from the horse mouth

You're missing the point in what you're quoting!

What is the ORIGINAL PRONUNCIATION of the name Jesus?

If it's important that we stick to it's original pronunciation then there's no reason why we should translate or transliterate it.

I am Akeem if i travel to Brazil and i happen to have a friend he can't think of translating my name nah he must pronounce it exactly as i told him.

That's the import of the comment you kept quoting!

The TRINITY!

Emusan:

God that there's no DIVINE NAME there you just added to it. Like I said, there no DIVINE NAME, it's just your own delusion. So, just like your organisation says if the name is so IMPORTANT God would have PRESERVED the pronunciation. You're the one who is looking for what is not. The New Testament is so clear on THE NAME Christian should operate under.
That's why you can't provide just a single verse where something was done with the name Jehovah. It never even appears in the first place.

Even a Jew was shocked after reading those verses because it's clearly stated that there is a divine name so if you don't want it we know why!

Emusan:


"I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El-Shaddai—‘God Almighty’[a]—but I did not reveal my name, Yahweh, to them." Exo 6:3

"Then they will learn that you alone are called the Lord, that you alone are the Most High, supreme over all the earth." Ps 83:18

Can you point out where you see Divine NAME in the two verses even from your NWT?

Exodus 6:3 NAME of the Almighty God.
Psalms 83:18 NAME of the most high God.

You can't deny that there is no name in those verses you can only pretend to continue arguing because you don't want to admit that there is a DIVINE NAME!

Emusan:

Who called it DIVINE NAME?

Exodus 6:3; Psalms 83:18

AbuTwins:

So you think all those people over there are Muslims?
And one other thing!
In cases of emergencies who attends to them?
Like someone fainting or the likes!
And many ritualists have been caught by these securities!
So Grandpa please sir use your brain!

Of course i'm using it to the fullest!

Your fellow worshipers can't help during cases of emergency because the black stone they're worshiping will be annoyed for the break in transmission to save the life of a worshiper!

And there are RITUALISTS in your midst even after all the things you people read about your Allah, prophet and book?

Ọmọ you just kept making it more amusing!

Emusan:

the original pronunciation of God's name.

So there is a divine name which Jesus said he made known in his time! John 17:6, 26

AbuTwins:

Christians can mix in to come do evil!

This is the funniest thing you have said in this year!

How can you imagine that people who has been warned seriously by their leader never to harm anyone {Matthew 10:16} come into the midst of stone worshipers to do evil?

Ọmọ just admit that you people aren't having the same line of thought so you need security guards to keep watch over the worshipers of your black stone even though they claim they're worshiping God.

Emusan:


That's it!

Let me drop the Watchtower statement since you're afraid to mention what went wrong about the name Yahweh that Jesus didn't use.

"Thus it is evident that the original pronunciation of God's name is no longer known. Nor is it really important. If it were, then God Himself would have made sure that it was preserved for us to use. The important thing is to use God's name according to its conventional pronunciation in our own language." The Divine Name That Will Endure Forever p.7

Here Watchtower is telling you to your face that the Divine Name isn't necessary today.

That is why the only name used throughout the NT is the Name Jesus, that is why:

1. It's on the basis of Jesus name that people will receive remission of sins.

2. It's on the basis of Jesus name True Christian will be persecuted.

3. It's on the basis of Jesus name people were healed.

4. It's on the basis of Jesus name we are to BE HIS WITNESS.

because salvation is found in no one else and there is no name given under heaven that men will be saved. Acts 4:12

So anyone doing anything outside Christ name

So there is a DIVINE name that we need to know but it's pronunciation is what caused the argument shey?

Then the name Jesus also has issues since it's not what his contemporaries called him!

FxMasterz:

Solomon was the one who built the temple. It wasn't it existence in Dave's day. How can David bow to a temple that didn't exist? You Ignorant Muslim.
David wrote a portion of the Psalms, not all the Psalms. Research before calling someone a liar for educating you.
May God open your eyes. They even said Abraham built the ka'aba. Liars!

The Hebrew word David used may also be used for TEMPLE but there was no Temple in Israel in David's days so what does he have in mind?

It should be noted that the word Temple refers to a place of worship where the name of each God is placed therefore when David said "Temple" he was referring to the congregation of God or the assembly of God's people which is the spiritual temple that's higher than anything man could build.
That's why Paul told his fellow disciples that it's not the physical temple that God counts rather it's the congregation or BODY of worshipers that God view as His holy temple:


And what agreement does God’s temple have with idols? For we are a temple of a living God; just as God said: “I will reside among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.” 2 Corinthians 6:16

Emusan:

The Father is Almighty God
Jesus is Almighty God
Holy Spirit is Almighty God.
Which means the Three are ALMIGHTY GOD.

Now you're making a lot of sense!

During the call to prayer in Mecca you will see security guards standing around the stone while worshipers are bowing towards the stone.

Questions:

Are those guards not Muslims?
What are they guarding against?
Are there criminals among Muslims?
Is the call to prayer not for the guards?

Simple!
To scam the self righteous people who will not put on earrings and makeups and those who feels it's not a serious matter.
Unlike Kumuyi who lost so many fans due to condemning makeup, jewelries and sexy clothings Adeboye is a diplomat who knows that would lessen his chances of making more money.
So today someone who likes Deeperlife style of righteousness and another who like Christ Embassy lifestyle can both claim they are under the control of the same Holy Ghost at the Redemption Camp!

PulsingPurple:

You mean to say I stopped disturbing you because you weren't replying my questions? And because you were changing topics and making unprovable claims in order to divert my interests? Unlike you that argues for clout, I argue to make a point. And I think I made my point, which is reminding you and everyone that followed the conversation that you're still deceitful, still a liar

Even Jesus was a liar to the Pharisees and other first century Jewish Rabbis so if you ask me a question and i ask you a question the way forward is you answer me first before expecting me to answer you.
I never invited you here in the first place!

Emusan:

At this level, you still don't know that Jesus actually prayed to the Father.

Emusan:
The fact no one can deny is that Jesus is ALMIGHTY GOD, those who have problem with are those who doesn't understand their Bible.

So who is the father that Jesus was praying to?

Is it a less mighty god?

AbuTwins:

What does School of thoughts mean in Islam?
Which different schools of thought claim Muslim groups?

Do you support the activities of Boko Haram, Al Shabab, ISIS, Al Kedah just to mention a few of terrorist groups fighting and killing people and claiming they're Muslims?

AbuTwins:

Show where the woman repented? Show where she begged to be forgiven before we continue?

Brainwashed zombie! So while dragging her to a place where they will stone her to death she will be arguing with them that what she did is lawful or begging for her life?
Are you this dumb?

AbuTwins:

I have said it earlier you were never a Muslim before. You just keep proving me right by spilling more ignorance about Islam. There are bad Muslims just as there are bad Jehovah witness. Your Bible says ALL MAN have sinned which includes Jesus!

There are bad Muslims and what is the provision in your Quran to discipline them in the way of your Allah?

AbuTwins:

Anyone who killed for religion does not mean he is following that religion! At least Jehovah did kill apostates and disbelievers in the Old testament and you didn't blame Him!

Jehovah ordered the killing not of His loyal worshipers but in your Islam who are the ones that aren't loyal that are killed during the war between Iran and Iraq?

AbuTwins:

So when there were wars in the old testament Jehovah was dead then?
Ignorance at its peak!

JEHOVAH ordered the killing of those who are enemies of pure worship not practicers of pure worship that's the difference!

justlove91:

My parents and siblings are Muslims, most of my friends are either Muslim or Christian and I'm loyal to them even though we don't have the same beliefs, so what are you saying??
I don't think there will ever come a time when everyone on earth will have the same beliefs and there is no need for that. Everyone just needs to live by the Golden Rule and we will create heaven on earth in no time.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm now i know why you don't grasp what we're discussing.

For your information everyone on this planet wants the Golden Rule but then there is one supernatural being who will never allow it to work.
Only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES has the key to render this supernatural being inactive in our midst as for the rest no matter how they want to keep the Golden Rule Satan is very much around to manipulate them into doing the exact opposite of what they intend to do.

For instance if the Golden Rule is working then how come people are still killing people?
Only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES knows that it's not just about the Golden Rule but someone really powerful is behind all the mishaps affecting people's brains! 1John 5:19

CaptainJune:

You and I see the Holy Spirit's manifestation, you see the signs and gifts of the Holy Spirit in manifestation, the miracles and power of God demonstrated in the lives of people as I have witnessed His miracles in my life, His fulfillment of His Word, His incontrovertible proof of existence that agrees with His Word. The Apostles of old, and witnesses (now dead or alive) testify to the same thing, and the Apostle Paul even said if he himself or any angel or anyone preaches any other besides Jesus let them be cursed. There is no other name under heaven given by which any man can be saved but the name Jesus.

Do you think other religions don't have some similar experience regarding their Gods?

Ọmọ when you hear names that are attached to the Gods of the nations know today that it's one supernatural event or another that makes them believe strongly in their God.

So your supernatural experience doesn't mean others don't experience the same! Matthew 7:21-23