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AntiChristian:
What does bread of life mean in John 6:22-59

Which between the two can you say a child of five doesn't understand, Bread or Life?
This where you prove that you are just deceiving yourself!🙂

Roycemadeit:
But that doesn't follow. Peace, love, preaching, unity, and nonviolence aren't unique to one group,

This is where you choose to lie!🙂

There is only one group that has all these qualities you may choose to deny it but that's the truth.

*Can you mention a group that has no politician as member throughout the world? John 17:14-16

Well if you must know the reason why i asked you it's because politics is the only reason why people invent weapons so there is no way someone in politics will not use or be around those using weapons.

*Can you mention a group that a member could just get to any part of this planet and he already has a home simply because his fellow disciples will house him? Matthew 19:29

*Can you mention any group that goes from house to house and door to door speaking with people in their homes and going back to teach whoever receives them just as Jesus commanded his disciples? Matthew 28:19-20

*Can you mention a group that is united to the point of having the same beliefs so that people in all the earth knows what they believe because they are truly united in their faith? John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthans 1:10

*Can you mention a group where you won't see any force man either Army, Navy, Air Force not even a police man in their midst? Matthew 26:52

I'm sure by now you will wonder if there could ever be such a global group having all these qualities!🙂

AntiChristian:
Almost all Jesus's Parables were unknown/not understood by the listeners. He had to explain them to the disciples in close doors.
Why are you playing coy to this fact?

Have you heard of Proverbs before?
Do you think a child doesn't know the words used in Proverbs or it's the meaning they don't understand?
Jesus used illustrations when teaching a crowd but the things he mentioned in his words are known to all his listeners it's the meaning they can't know unless he explained to them but as for each subject he uses in the illustration they all know.
So now mention an illustration Jesus used and the word in such illustration that even a child in Israel doesn't know!🥱

Roycemadeit:
But how do they know which attitude is correct? How do they know which interpretation of the book is right? How do they distinguish the wisdom in the book from the parts that require reinterpretation?

Jesus said "By their fruits" Matthew 7:16-18
Which means each organization of Bible students has a fruit that you will see anywhere they may be.

So the group that has the right attitude will do the things expected of God's people at the right time.
For instance this is what God's word says:


In the last days the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and all nations will stream to it. Many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. ‭Isaiah 2:2-4 NIV‬

Verse 2 says this group will go throughout the world to gather their students.

Verse 3 says they will use the information found in the book of law authored by the God of Israel to teach themselves.

Verse 4 says this teaching will help them to settle their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, stop producing, buying, selling and/or using of weapons and bow never to raise weapons against anyone again!

This is the FRUIT expected of the group that truly understood God's word and that is what Jesus came to teach his disciples as the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} and Jesus said they will be his Witnesses throughout the world {Act 1:8} this means if you can't find any organization of people who can't do without weapons know that Jesus' followers have achieved this globally among themselves and all you need to do is IDENTIFY the group. And Jesus didn't leave you in the dark he said his true disciples will have LOVE among themselves and the whole world will testify to it that this global group have love for their members! John 13:34-35

Reinvented:
Luke 18:18-23, 25-28 NIV
A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’” “All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said. When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was very wealthy. Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

The question is, would the priest, pastors, bishops, etc of TODAY have asked that the ruler sell all his possessions and give all to the poor?
This is a sharp contrast to what Jesus did in the times of His ministry. We need to retrace our steps so that we can continue to enjoy the usearcheable riches of His Grace.
Manifold Grace of God Church (MGGC)

None of Jesus' disciples sold all their possessions yet Jesus promised them saying:

“Truly I say to you, in the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will sit on 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel" Matthew 19:28

So what Jesus asked the man to do isn't literal but illustrative. The young man is to view himself as a person without any possessions so he could join Jesus' disciples in going from house to house and door to door {Matthew 10:11-13} this is a difficult task for anyone who feels important because of his or her networth {Luke 18:24-25} that is why you can't find politicians like him among Jesus' modern day followers known today as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Roycemadeit:
I wonder why your God would state something so plainly in Isaiah 45:7, then leave it to you thousands of years later to explain what he “really meant.”
If an omniscient God knows how people interpret language, why communicate so straightforwardly and rely on followers to correct it?
That is the convenience of biblical interpretation: when the text says something uncomfortable, believers become God’s public relations department.
You call my reading erroneous because it conflicts with your theology. I call it reading the sentence without deciding in advance what it may mean.

You are not reasoning like a mature individual!

To help you will give you an illustration.
Imagine a teacher claims he is the best and there is no teacher like him only for thousands of to read his testbook and fail in the task expected by his students. Isaiah 65:13-14
But then the teacher explained that it's not everyone reading his textbook that can perform. Matthew 7:21-23

WHY?

Because the understanding of his textbook is tied to the attitude of a reader. Zephaniah 2:2-3; compare to Proverbs 2:1-5

And after so many years a group of scholars changed their attitude towards their study of the textbook and soon people started talking about this group but the funny thing most people are saying is that members of these group have turned the textbook upside down.

But in everywhere they may be found they are the best performing students.

Would you still say the teacher's textbook makes no practical sense?

I told you the meaning of God's word you are arguing yet you have concluded that the book is useless but there is a group of people making me best use of this same book and the whole world can testify to it. Matthew 5:14🥱

AntiChristian:
Didn't Jesus mentioned many things that his listeners never knew before? How did they grasp the message?

Please quote where Jesus mentioned what his listeners never knew!

Roycemadeit:
“I make peace and create evil.”

Translation error as most translocators don't know that languages sometimes do mean word for word. For instance if someone says:
"What is on ground?"
An unintelligent translator will think he is talking about the floor hence direct his own audience to the floor whereas that's not the meaning.
God is talking to Isaiah who is scared of the Jews!

Roycemadeit:
And more importantly, if your position is that God deliberately limits his own knowledge, then you cannot use “God knows everything” when convenient and “God chooses not to know” when a passage creates a problem.

God has the ability to know everything but He chose not to know that is what happened but it seems you don't want to know why He chose not to know.

Roycemadeit:
You claim my interpretation is wrong, so explain Isaiah 45:7 and show exactly where my reasoning fails. “Humble yourself and learn” is not an argument.
Isaiah 45:7: “I am the one who made light and made darkness, who makes peace and creates evil/things bad; I am the Lord God who does all these things.”

I've been busy today please accept my apology for not responding to this I'm time.
@ Isaiah 45:7 God is telling his servants that whatever he knows as evil is not as destructive as he could think because God created it. For instance God created the gases that makes up fire so He (God) can redirect the gases and change what we all know it for. Shadrach Meshak and Abednego were thrown into the fire but God turned it to air-conditioner for His own servants whereas the same fire consumed the strong men that threw the three boys there.
We all know that lions eat flesh but when Daniel's enemies threw him into the den of lions God changed lions to pets yet the same lions consumed the men who planned the evil scheme.
So the message God is passing to His worshipers is not to fear what humans fear because there's nothing no matter how destructive it is that God can't redirect and mind you there is nothing simple that God can't redirect to destroy. Matthew 10:28

Roycemadeit:
And whether the word “omniscient” appears in the Bible is irrelevant. If you reject the idea that God knows everything, argue that point. Otherwise, you are debating a word instead of the claim.
If you have the correction, put it here. Let everyone judge the argument for themselves.

According to the Bible God doesn't know everything as most people often assume.
Take for example these two cases:

God said to Abraham:

“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Genesis 15:20-21

Again God said to Abraham:

“Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me.” Genesis 22:12

If you still want to know why God who has all the powers choose not to know everything i will show you in the Bible!

Roycemadeit:
I wonder why your God would state something so plainly in Isaiah 45:7, then leave it to you thousands of years later to explain what he “really meant.”

If an [b]OMNISCIENT God knows how people interpret language, why communicate so straightforwardly and rely on followers to correct it?[/b]

That is the convenience of biblical interpretation: when the text says something uncomfortable, believers become God’s public relations department.

You call my reading erroneous because it conflicts with your theology. I call it reading the sentence without deciding in advance what it may mean.

Ọmọ humble yourself and learn!

Each time you try to prove you know one or two errors keep popping out of your comments.

Abeg the word "OMNISCIENT" is not found written in God's word. So if you don't want to learn it's your own cup of coffee!🥱

Lucifyre:
Lazy mental gymnastics.

Funny enough this lazy mental gymnastic has achieved what humanity couldn't achieve for thousands of years.

Mankind have tried all forms or organizations just to make people love their neighbors in other countries yet even though they are able to form organizations like FIFA, OLYMPIC and so many more members of this organizations still end up warring against one another while organizers watch helplessly but the so called lazy mental gymnastic have successfully organized people from all the nations on planet earth and made them:
*Settle all their disparities peacefully among themselves whereas members of other organizations are out there panicking over racial disputes.

*Diverted their resources to production of food and information materials whereas members of other organizations are spending billions of dollars yearly to make or buy destructive devices.

*Vowed never to raise weapons against anyone be it friends or foe whereas the members of all other organizations are worried despite all their judicial system of international courts.

Ọmọ i am telling you that this lady mental gymnastic is performing miracles that no one can deny!🙂

sonmvayina:
It Is an everlasting covenant of love. Nobody or nothing Is coming between them. The earlier you understand that the better...

Everlasting covenant that warrants the Jews to always turn to idolatry shey?

Continue deceiving yourself.

This what the Bible God said regarding covenant:

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“Therefore the Lord, the God of Israel, declares: ‘I promised that members of your family would minister before me forever.’ But now the Lord declares: ‘Far be it from me! Those who honor me I will honor, but those who despise me will be disdained." 1Samuel 2:30

Do you understand God's thoughts now?

It's those honoring His He will honor not a covenants the Jews treated with contempt! John 1:11-12🥱

sonmvayina:
What has Isaiah 2 got to do with Jehovah's witnesses?

They are humble people from all the nations of planet earth {Isaiah 2:2} they stick to words of the Author, attributes and virtues of Bible characters as the Author declared some righteous {Isaiah 2:3} and they have used what they learned to settle disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, stop producing, buying, selling and using weapons to kill their neighbors and vowed never to raise weapons against anyone be it friends or foe! Isaiah 2:4

Surely Isaiah 2 is talking about this group so whether you like it or not there is nothing you can do about it God has blessed the Jehovah's Witnesses and no one not even your cult of Jewish faculty can curse them! 🙂

When that word "PEACE" is mentioned everyone will say "i want" but how many people truly believe in peace?

After God has condemned Israel shey?

Why have you chosen to continue deceiving yourself?🥱

AguluLiar:
Yes, because you can idle around all your life and still live better than those who work,
Parasites calling themselves men of God!

Naaaaaaaaaaaaa!
What he said is correct but then Satan has spinned the whole thing i work for my God as a minister but i still work secularly to cater for my family because in the work of the true God we spend our money to assist the needy.
So it's false religion that milk their followers not the true servants of God in true religion!🙂

Racoon:
“Christianity in Africa is characterized by unreserved faith, fervent prayer, and reliance on God’s supernatural intervention,” a rekindled passion for the authority of Scripture, holiness of life, and expectancy for miracles.” - Nigerian pastor William Kumuyi

You can't help anyone by just telling them they have been fooled it doesn't work like that!😟

Rucheen:
This is a concise thesis, very succinct
Anytime I see religious people, I feel like using force to change their minds but...

This is the reason why you need to first study the Bible before you can think of helping anyone you feel is brainwashed by Bible carriers.
America has declared Freedom of speech expression and worship because that's the major cause of World War 1&2
You can't rewrite the history by going back to revive what they have silenced so to help anyone you feel is in need you must study hard to know how to go about it otherwise the dog suffering from pain may attack you who wants to help it!😟

Lucifyre:
Jesus wept. It is in a book therefore that's evidence it's factual.
I rest my case.

You people don't reason you're just out to argue as you have erroneously concluded that there is nothing to think about in religion whereas religion is as old as humanity.
Well i will still tell you that instead of demanding that Dangote should build another refinery for me to believe he once build one i will rather ask him to tell me what gigantic project he will embark on next and if he fulfill it just as he promised i have no reason to doubt his claim that he built a refinery!🥱

Would you like to know what the Bible says about the TRUE RELIGION?

It's really funny i have been through your religion before so i know how shallow the thinking faculty of members of your religion!

Since you just want to play around with false stories i will allow you to continue running around in the circus but if you want to address any issue feel free to ask me i'm always open to REASONABLE discussions not childish talks!🥱

DoWhatThouWilt:
1. The Organisation is a cult founded by a zionist that made numerous failed prophecies.

2. There is nothing wrong in keeping beards

3. There is nothing wrong in blood transfusion

4. Truth doesnt change, the way JW doctrines change.

5. There is nothing wrong with University education

6. Child abuse is a serious matter that MUST BE REPORTED not covered up.

DoWhatThouWilt:
Protecting and covering up the crimes of pedophiles is evil.

Funny Muslim!🤣

MightySparrow:
Okay. Are you and other Abrahamic faith worshipping the same Allah?

Just two questions will direct you to the right answer.

Jesus said false prophets will be known by their FRUITS! Matthew 7:16-18

Question:

A.
Do false prophets say they worship the same God with all others or their God is different?
B.
Why do true prophets in Bible times (including Jesus) always separate themselves despite being in the same geographic regoy with others?

Exactly!
A none existent figure can't promise and fulfill it nah!

That is what really baffles me because if this person doesn't exist as you think then He couldn't have made a promise in that book and bringing it to life despite the fact that i can't see Him i'm seeing what He promised to do!😟

Lucifyre:
It's not about judging matters one way or another. All claims about objective reality - no matter how extraordinary - are only taken as factual/true after being demonstrated. And the only thing that's been able to do that constantly is the scientific method. The rest like yours just make extraordinary claims they can't backup. So stick to taking it on faith and you won't have to play by the rules of objective reality.
This is shadow boxing. Before anyone claims anything, they need to exist. Before investigating claims someone made I need to make sure there was a someone and that someone exists. But obviously that's undemonstrable ergo the need for this tangent. Stick to faith like your bible says. Facts and truths about objective reality are a different ball game where ud always fall due to having no evidence and just assertions.

Lovelink1991:
But why copying other people's religious in order to deceive the masses. It is vital to stay on one direction. If you are a traditional worshiper let me people know not combining traditional and Christianity together to deceive people.

It's what you call "CHURCH" in this side of Africa that makes you feel like that.

If you travel to Ethiopia their mode of worship will shock you and they claim you that's not worshiping like them is FAKE. In fact the picture you posted is much like the Church in Ethiopia!🥱

Lucifyre:
All that just to come up with Bare Assertions and Empty Claims as evidence for previous bare assertions. SMH! You guys should just stick to "Faith" cause when you talk evidence you end up saying really silly stuff. To demonstrate something exists, I need to "watch" the very thing I'm investigating if it exists. Talk about circular, and that made sense to you.

Well we don't judge matters the same way you on your part will demand that whatever someone claims he did in the past even though the person perfected the job should be repeated but i won't demand for a repetition of what the person has done rather i will ask:
"what other impossible things should i be expecting?"
Once he is able to achieve an impossible task then i won't doubt the former things he said!🙂

Roycemadeit:
Even Isaiah 45:7 has Jehovah taking responsibility for creating “evil” or calamity, depending on the translation. It is a rather impressive arrangement: Jehovah gets to commit or authorize the unpleasant things, while humans are expected to maintain the moral cleanliness of the brand.

Instead of humbly asking me to TEACH you what my God meant in that verse you decided to keep your erroneous thoughts.

Well that's your own cup of tea!

ParadiseDark:
Uhn!? If the “true religion” is the only thing capable of creating global peace, then what happens to everyone who does not accept it? Do they all have to convert, disappear, or die before this promised peace can exist?
If peace is only possible when everyone belongs to the same religion, then you have not really described the elimination of hatred. You have described the elimination of religious difference and may be the assumption that peace requires uniformity.

The man who taught his followers to always seek for peace declared:

"Moreover, bring these enemies of mine here who did not want me to become king over them and execute them in front of me.’” Luke 19:27

He warned us not to allow provocation to lead us into joining violent people {Psalms 37:6-8} because by the time he returns he will wipe out all lovers of violence and those infuriated by violence then peacelovers will be allowed to live a peaceful life {Psalms 37:9-11} and that is how we will live forever! Psalms 37:29

So we are to continue preaching and teaching whoever is willing to listen until the end of all badness comes! Matthew 24:14

ParadiseDark:
No religion can establish itself as “true” simply because its followers believe it, inherited it, or made it dominant.

The true religion explained what leads people into killing people and promises to erase hatred and killings in the heart of all its members globally.
So if you think of peace know that it's only the true religion that can and have achieved it globally among all its adherents! Isaiah 2:4🙂

I just told you what he meant as one of his Witnesses! Act 1:8
So if you see people killing people know that such ones have nothing to do with Jesus who COMMANDED his disciples to:
[1] Love their neighbors as themselves! Mark 12:31

[2] Love their fellow believers just as he loved them. John 13:34-35

[3] Love and continue to pray for their enemies! Luke 6:27-28

So ask yourself: in what way did Jesus advocate violence if his disciples live by his teachings and commands?🙂

Vifx:
That still doesn’t answer my question. Matthew 10:34 says, “I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” You’re changing the subject from what Jesus actually said to what his followers later did or didn’t do. I'm not claiming Jesus personally went around attacking people with a sword. Bro the question is whether he advocated or predicted violent division. And the immediate context actually makes the point: he says he came to set family members against one another and that a person’s enemies would be members of their own household (Matthew 10:35–36). So capping that, his disciples didn’t use swords doesn’t refute the argument. A person can cause or predict conflict without personally committing physical violence.
And claim that Christians are the world’s most peaceful religion is just an assertion. It doesn't magically determine what Matthew 10:34 means. If you want to defend Jesus, deal with the actual text and its context rather than redefining the premise. 😏

Vifx:
Conveniently side stepping the whole premise of our exchange....
Mathew 10:34
Or you just can't made a defense for Jesus advocating and promising violence right 🤣

You should learn from his actions and that of his first century disciples that he was talking about what relatives and the countrymen of believers will do to them not the other way around.
If Jesus was advocating violence as you erroneously concluded then why is it that neither himself nor his disciples in the first century lift a sword against anyone?🙂
In Russia, Ukraine, North Korea, Israel, Eritrea and many other places the true disciples of modern day (Jehovah's Witnesses) are being attacked by their own people just as Jesus foretold. Matthew 10:34
So learn to use intelligence because it's his teachings that's making people from all the nations hate their own families despite the fact that we are the world's most peaceful organization! Matthew 24:9

Vifx:
Well Switzerland, japan and many other nations have enshrined in the Constitution laws against wars since you'd love to know.

So there is no weapon carrier moving from one place to another in the name of SECURITY OPERATIVE in those places?🙂