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cornelboy:
No verse explicitly says that Jesus is Michael. No verse outrightly say Jesus is not angel Michael. Indeed there are clues in the Bible that shows that archangel Michael could be the one sent as Jesus Christ by God.

My brother, you don't need to stress yourself delkuf is one of those vehemently criticizing Jehovah's Witnesses on this forum over many topics so obviously he has tried to calmly address one of our brothers in the field that's why he now seek backup from his fellow religionists to counter what our brother showed him.
Of course this has proved that he is challenged with the efficacy and the competency our brother displayed in the debate.
So now it's left for him to decide what to do at least the message has been delivered successfully let him figure out why only JWs who says their leader is Archangel Michael are the most effective and consistent preachers and teachers of God's word throughout the earth today! Act 1:8

Cybertroll:
Lmao! A man can rape and beat his slave, even kill her but he can't do the same to his wife and God forbid he disrespects a fellow man.

Yes, man can kill and eat an animal, proving the latter is indeed inferior but that doesn't change the fact that the animal worships God and may have a soul.

The slave that was murdered, is she souless? No!

The Africans who were tortured and killed by the early missionaries, are they souless? No!

Anything that is conscious of God's authority as it's creator and worships Him does so because of it's immortal soul, even the Devil recognises God as God! Everything on earth, above and underneath it does so too! Argue with the bible!

Faith is inherent, that's why there are thousands of religions and cults and such... Religion however is a human creation, it's creeds and doctrines too! Take these away and we do the same thing singing birds do, acknowledge and praise God!

You dodge my question!

Please i'm not here for arguments so if you're not ready to answer the question it's OK.

Once again:

Can a man by and kill a child to cook and eat publicly?

Can a man by and kill an animal to cook and eat publicly?

We all know that in ancient times slaves were beaten to death on the accusation that the slave disobeyed his or her owner who bought him or her for the purpose of serving the master. But never has any slave master killed, cook and eat a slave publicly!

That still show the huge difference between the life of a slave and that of an animal.

So if only animals could be killed, cooked and eaten publicly by humans then Man has been made a demigod over all other creatures:

Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth" Genesis 1:26

Your own son can kill, cook and eat your choicest pet but never will you spare a pet that kills your own son!

delkuf:
I had this argument recently with a jw and he showed me some bible verses that angel Michael is Jesus Christ. I must confess this guy almost won me and over with his argument. So I want to ask, can anyone bring out bible verses to refute this claim. I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ can never be angel Michael. I just want bible verses to refute this because the jw is coming on Saturday to continue this argument

My name is Maximus and i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses, though for the past five years of my participation on this forum i've spent a lot of time and data debating with people of different religious backgrounds but this is our new service year so i've decided not to engage any churchgoer in debates anymore but for you to ask this question it means you've seen the efficacy in the argument of the JW about Jesus being the Archangel Michael.

So these are few points i will like you to think about whenever anyone kicks against the opinion of JWs on this topic:

[1] After the event in Noah's day God turned His attention away from mankind in general because what they choose to do on daily basis always saddens Him {Genesis 6:6} afterwards an angel representing God {Exodus 13:21 compare to Exodus 14:19} began standing for the salvation of obedient mankind! Daniel 12:1

Who could be this angel who always represent God?

[2] When Moses died we read that God buried him {Deuteronomy 34:5-6} later we heard that Satan had a dispute with the angels God sent to bury Moses only for Archangel Michael to show up {Jude 9} so did God buried Moses or it was the Archangel Michael?


[3] We read in the Bible that the one and only person given the power to resurrection the dead is Jesus Christ {John 11:25} but then Paul said the Lord (Jesus) will raise the dead using the Archangel's voice! 1Thessalonians 4:16
So why using the Archangel's voice and not his own?

[4] We also read that Archangel Michael will lead God's people to salvation and many will gain freedom from the grave (sign of resurrection) and many evil things will occur but those trusting in God will be saved! Daniel 12:1-3
So why is Michael mentioned in connection to all these activities that we all know are Jesus' responsibility?


[5] Apart from Satan who is leading rebellious angels against God's sovereignty only Michael is mentioned to have his own angels and he'll lead them to war against all the agents of darkness {Revelations 12:9-12} Jesus also was mentioned as having his own angels! Matthew 25:31
So why is it that both Michael and Jesus were mentioned in connection with loyal spirit sons of God as their captain or commander?

I'm not here to argue with anyone but to see how that your Jehovah's Witnesses friend or any pastor can explain all of these.

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Cybertroll:


Alright...

Firstly, animals do feel emotions (from birds to dogs, dolphins and monkeys, tigers and snakes, etc)... As for reverence and adoration, that's faith and the expression of faith. You can't use biology to explain it; you can't explain why humans worship a God they can neither see nor touch but we do. Therefore, I can only use the Bible (which you believe in thoroughly) to validate my point.

Again, I'll quote this verse... Numbers 23-27
When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD standing in the road with a drawn sword in his hand, she turned off the road into a field. Balaam beat her to get her back on the road.

Then the angel of the LORD stood in a narrow path between two vineyards, with walls on both sides.

When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD, she pressed close to the wall, crushing Balaam's foot against it. So he beat her again.

Then the angel of the LORD moved on ahead and stood in a narrow place where there was no room to turn, either to the right or to the left.

When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD, she lay down under Balaam, and he was angry and beat her with his staff

If you read it, you'll understand that the donkey was entirely aware that it's master was being confronted by an Angel of God, the donkey recognised His authority and made several attempts to save it's master from God's wrath.

Secondly, with regards to this
So you mean Animals don't recognize God as their creator despite the Bible numerously stating that they do? They were instructed to praise God, along with man. The Bible is wrong? Or the ancients who wrote it were silly to give human attributes to animals?

Man isn't 'demigod over animals'... That's blasphemous.

God placed parents over their children, commanding the latter to obey and honour the former.

He also placed men over women, commanding the latter to obey and honour the former.

He also placed priests over their congregations, commanding the latter to obey and honour the former.

He also placed masters over their slaves, commanding the latter to obey and honour the former.

Are parents, men, priests, and masters demigods? The answer is NO! Because they were also given the responsibility to cater to the needs of those beneath them. Their privilege doesn't make them God's second-in-command but God's representative on earth. For example, the priest concerns himself with the spiritual needs of his congregation but that doesn't mean his followers have no souls nor the ability to worship God without his intervention. He was simply appointed by God to nurture and guide His people.

God made man in his image, yes but what had that got to do with faith? Does God worship a superior being? Our intelligence and higher consciousness makes us alike to God, that's it. But animals being inferior doesn't make them dumb beasts. If they were, why did God bother creating them? Why were they in the garden Eden alongside Adam and Eve? Why reserve them a place in the paradise to come?

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If you persist in claiming animals are oblivious to the presence of a divine creator, you're indirectly saying faith and religion is a human thing.

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Animals do have faith, they recognise that earth is the good work of God and they praise him however they can. Because they don't participate in elaborate human rituals doesn't change that.

Ọmọ you don't know what demigod means!

Can a man by and kill a child to cook and eat publicly?

Can a man by and kill an animal to cook and eat publicly?

That's what demigod means!

Merry100:
I pray that he eventually sees the light.

You're deceiving yourself simply because you feel Jehovah's Witnesses aren't Christians shey?
Well i've delivered the message:

Satan is the ruler and God of this present world so mankind in general belongs to him that's why Jesus came made disciples and sent them to go and make more disciples, that means to save the souls of millions under Satan's system.

So if you're contemplating light and darkness try to have a rethink about this and stop following misinformed religionists maligning the true disciples of Christ: Jehovah's Witnesses!

sonmvayina:
He is going to bring peace because Gods grace will rest on him..

It is God who promised it.....so God is going to make it happen through the messiah.

Jehovah's witnesses are idol worshippers, they are not obeying Torah.

Jesus is not the messiah...he can never be, because he never existed..

There is still no world wide peace......wars upon wars....

Don't worry yourself, God's favour will rest on the anointed king(messiah)...
When he come, you lot will not need to go from door to door. God will write his laws in our hearts, so they will become effortless to keep...

Continue deceiving yourself!

According to Daniel the Messiah will DESTROY all the governments {Daniel 2:44} definitely the Messiah will kill a lot of people just as it happened in Noah's day in order to restore sanity on planet earth.
Now how can such action be justified without a global campaign and education regarding how the government of the Messiah will be as man has been used to human rule for thousands of years?

Well you and your Judaists claiming adherents of the Torah that's obsolete are the IDOLATERS here because idolatry is about the worship of what you can't convincingly inculcate in the minds of another person.

You and those Judaists are worshiping what you don't know (Satan) who has blinded you to continue arguing without reasonableness.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have fulfilled that role that's why individuals who are in anticipation of the Messiahnic rule have used God's word to settle all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vowed never to raise weapons against anyone just as it's written at Isaiah 2:2-4 & Micah 4:1-3

Cybertroll:
Oxford dictionary
Noun
The feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity.

So apart from humans can you explain how an animal does any of the four:
Feeling
Expression
Reverence
Adoration

Cybertroll:
the language barrier stops us from communicating with animals, which therefore prevents us from understand their manner of worship (remember, just because it's different and incomprehensible doesn't mean it's non-existent or unimportant)...

This is what confused you!
If you want to stick to what the Bible God said about creation it's only man that was created in God's image so all other creatures live on instinct which means they have no ability to think regarding feeling, expression, reverence or adoration towards any deity, animals only regarding what is visible to them that's why God admonished man to become a demigod over all animals:

Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:26

So animals can only WORSHIP/ADORE Man as the VISIBLE demigod in Eden!

Merry100:
Okay, I have heard you. It's nice conversing with you. If you have more opinions, you can share them. It's just that I am not a talkative. I get bored when the discussion is not relevant.

You don't know what you're saying!

First of all Christlike ones (Christians) can't win souls for Satan. Matthew 12:25
Secondly Satan doesn't need anyone to win souls for him because all have sinned {Romans 3:23} meaning all humans are supposed to be destroyed along with the devil so what does he need to win?
Lastly there's a reason why Jesus commissioned the movement called Christians therefore only those in that setting knows how to win souls for Christ because he has trained them.
Enjoy the weekend, farewell!

If you make something and that thing is perfect as in working as intended we could say it brings you praise.

Likewise all the things God created brings him praise it doesn't mean they're worshiping Him!

Merry100:
I am not condemning you. God can save anyone. I pray that one of these days, He will guide you to see the true Light.

Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself you know nothing about the LIGHT!

BibleStudyForum:
Daniel recorded a messianic prophecy about The Son of Man who is Jesus. So by calling himself Son Of Man he was https://biblestudyforum.com/threads/why-does-jesus-refer-to-himself-as-the-son-of-man.46/#post-61

As a spirit being he is not qualified to pay the price, he must be a full fleshed human just like Adam {1Corinthians 15:45} that's why God transformed the life of this person into the womb of Mary to be born as a son of Man.
Note that the word "MAN" in the beginning refers to the first human couple:

And God went on to create the MAN in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them! Genesis 1:27

So when Isaiah said:

"For a CHILD has been born to us, A SON has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace" Isaiah 9:6

He was talking about Jesus the child/son born to MAN-kind that's why Jesus whose existence was before the world could refer to himself as the son of man!

Merry100:
😂 Lol, you are very funny. I pray you eventually see the light.

What are you saying again?
Hope this is not because you feel holier than thou?
Well the truth is that Satan doesn't need to win souls because all sinners are already on his side {Romans 3:23} it's Jesus who sent out his disciples to fish out {Mark 1:17} deserving souls for salvation! Matthew 28:19-20

correctguy101:
See you, it's like you want me to start charging you abi? 🙄
See context you dey mention this ancestor on...🙄

Oya na name your price!

correctguy101:
Fact
HighPriest Maximus. How far na.
Been a while.
We dey miss ya wahala for religion section.

correctguy101:
You're now an elder?
And you didn't tell us,.. how many drinks you go buy wey make you dey hide am?
All the same, congratulations to your appointment. Me like to see people who focus on a faith they believe in. Continue keying into your faith brother.
I envy you guys though, I can never be in any organized religion, that part of this ancestor is no more ... smh

cornelboy:
Exactly Sir.
If you examine his post well, you'd surely see that he's an atheist who doesn't take the Bible or Jehovah serious.

I just pity misinformed churchgoers spitefully following apostates but it's their loss God's word warned us:

“You must not spread a report that is not true. Do not cooperate with a wicked one by becoming a malicious witness. You must not follow after the crowd to do evil, and you must not pervert justice by giving testimony to go along with the crowd. You must show impartiality in the dispute of a poor person" Exodus 23:1-2

So i really pity all those spitefully supporting apostates against God's organization!

bolabizzle:
most especially you mr max.

nans24:
God bless you bro!

Both of you should go and erase the things i've taught lots of people on this forum these people said the following about Maximus

Rozz: Sugar Daddy (SB)
Correctguy101: High Priest Maximus
SeniorMan715: Max you know everything.

And many others that i can't remember have all fallen in love with God's organization due to my comments on this forum.

So if you're talking about positive results due to the comments of Maximus on Nairaland?

YES! I came, i fought and i conquer!

correctguy101:
Fact
HighPriest Maximus. How far na.
Been a while.
We dey miss ya wahala for religion section.

My brother i've received more responsibility in the congregation that's why even now you may not see me for weeks.

I have other active witnesses here so whatever anyone wants to know about the truth on this forum they will call me so that i can just drop a comment or two but to be active on this forum not as before!

cornelboy:
If é answer make I bend

He has become an atheist just as all apostates when they can't prove God's organization false the next thing is to attack the Bible but they will disguise for foolish and misinformed churchgoers to see them as friends.

What is difficult in answering that simple question?

Well he's dodging but he can't be smarter than Jehovah's servants.

The answer is simple:

All those destroyed outside Noah's Ark are God's enemies whether 800 years old, a day old or fetus in the womb!

Merry100:
I am a Christian and I stongly believe that Christianity is the true religion. This is just a wake-up call to my fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord who are unknowingly pushing people away from Christ with their actions and words. Some of us, not all of us, are missing the main purpose of evangelism.

This is true but whoever is doing such should know that his or her godly devotion can't bribe Jesus Christ, he knows all the things we does in secret. That's why we must be honest hearted and sincere in whatever we do so even though we mistakenly commit blunder our sincerity coupled with humility to lay low before his Majesty will save us! Luke 23:39-43

sonmvayina:
Messiah means "anointed king' ...don't loose sight of that...

Solomon was a messiah so was David his father...
But the one he promised them was still going to come through the line of David through Solomon his soon..He is going to bring peace, isaiah said men will hammer their swords into ploughshares and learn of war no more...kingdom will not rise against kingdom...that has not happened..so we are still waiting. He never said his son was coming to die for sins...he has already given them a solution to the problem of sin...confess and forsake, he would forgive...this is all I have been saying. Jesus can't be the promised messiah ...he failed woefully in that regard. And there is no arrangements for a second coming......
I think you should rethink your beliefs....if you are really sincere with yourself..

The highlighted shows you just want to remain blind spiritually speaking!

How will the Messiah make peace?

Is he going to turn everyone into robots?

Well the Messiah has come in the person of Jesus Christ and that verse has been fulfilled today by JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES globally.

So expect Jesus anytime from now as he's coming to destroy all opposers of this fine works! Luke 19:27

achorladey:
The instructions your master gave you his go to people of all nations and Not go to only people who believe the Bible

Out of desperation to prove smart you've displayed your foolishness again.

Who is talking about going to people that believe the Bible?

Is it not through our preaching and teaching that people can believe (trust) the Bible? Romans 10:13-15

Guy it's enough of this your madness if you can't answer a simple question just keep quiet.

The question again this time no story just go straight to the answer:

Are people destroyed outside Noah's Ark God's friends or enemies?

According to the Bible Satan doesn't need any workers to win souls for him because the whole world is already in his cage {Luke 4:6; John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} it's Jesus who needs workers to win souls that's why he ordered his disciples to go and fish out workers! Matthew 28:18-20; Act 1:8

Satan's agents are only lying to brainwash people, they themselves are deceived and they are used to deceive others.


By spreading lies about soul winning for Satan there will be suspicion everywhere so even the real disciples of Christ will also be suspected when people don't know how to IDENTIFY Jesus'real disciples.

So let no one deceive you all the inhabitants of this planet are already under Satan's system that's why God's word said:

"The world (99% of all the inhabitants of the earth) is passing away and so is its desire, but the one who does the will of God (just a handful few practicing what Jesus taught) remains forever" 1John 2:17

Jesus said:

"Moreover, just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be in the days of the Son of man: they were eating, they were drinking, men were marrying, women were being given in marriage until that day when Noah entered into the ark, and the Flood came and destroyed them all". Luke 17:26-27

In Noah's day, in Lot's day, Rahab's time in Jericho those that escaped destruction were well ORGANIZED, the same thing will repeat itself while those that will be saved are well organized having the same line of thought {John 17:22} those to be destroyed will be scattered in their reasoning! Luke 11:23

So what all sincere and honest hearted individuals who want to be saved should try to do now is figure out the group that's practicing what Jesus commanded as their assigned duty in this endtime {Matthew 7:16-18} as for the rest there appearance of godliness can't save them {Matthew 7:21-23 compare to 2Timothy 3:5} they're all reserved for destruction! Matthew 7:13-14

Must someone PRAY for you?

achorladey:
Based on the lies and manipulations of the scriptures by your GODS housed in Walkill abi na Warwick. Definitely not in Deuteronomy 6:6-7 or anywhere else. Manipulator changed it your consistency. The hands of your GOD is short and handicapped to know who are his enemies or friends Liar and manipulator of the scriptures the children were born within a fine background and never became God's enemies as babies. Another lie and manipulation bookmarked. The boys that dishonoured Elijah were not babies. Another lie and manipulation bookmarked. Had your intelligence worked well, you would have Read, seen and noticed that when the Israelites were exiled as judgement and punishment for wrongdoings even those that kept to doing God's will his friends were among the Israelites and were all exiled together in order to save them. Now see how you remove your head and face from the lies and manipulations used here to worship your GODS housed in Walkill abi Warwick who said babies are God's enemies.

You don't believe the Bible so there's no need exchanging words with you.

If you believe the Bible just answer one question:

All those destroyed in the flood are God's friends or enemies?

nans24:
Of course I am. Thanks for the compliment Max the apostate.

You're welcome!

nans24:

With this alone you've proved that you're 150% sane!

Why must someone PRAY for me nah?

cornelboy:
No where says babies are God's friends or innocent. Show me the verse and I won't say anything again.

Of course all babies are God's enemies until we inculcate God's laws in their hearts {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} so it's our consistency that will help to distinguish God's friends and God's enemies among the children we have.

Eli and Samuel both served as Highpriests in Israel but their children proved to be God's enemies despite having fine background.

The boys that dishonoured Elijah were children of Israelites who supposed to fear the prophet of God according to God's law but their parents didn't caution them while they were doing so, definitely they have proved to be God's enemies.

The children that came to Jesus were also Israelites but unlike Elijah's case these young ones ignored their faithless parent's attitude against Jesus rather they stick to what God's laws said about honouring God's servants so he blessed them.
Jerusalem's destruction supposed to happen immediately the Jews rejected Jesus and started persecuting his disciples so why wait until 33 years later?

Of course those children Jesus blessed need to grow up and dedicate their lives to the God of that prophet who blessed them so by the time Jerusalem was destroyed those blessed children will surely escape with faithful disciples of Christ while millions of other children died.

So Jehovah knows how to SAVE His friends when it's time to DESTROY His enemies!

Aemmyjah:
That will be lovely
But today is our meetings by 4:30pm
Can the group chat be shifted a little?
Besides, send me a mail at incredible1emg@gmail.com

I can't connect you to the group for now so you just have to chat with me alone until your effectiveness is felt then i can confidently introduce you to the rest of the group.

I'll send the message right away!

jaephoenix:
Same way you spend days and night over it.
Meanwhile this evasion tactics won't work again. Again did you do Words and Synonyms in Kindergarten?

Who cares what works with your brain anymore?

If you say something is not yours yet you wake up each day to mark register along with those adhering to it as their own don't you think something is seriously wrong with you?

Meanwhile the Author of that book said:

At that time those who fear Jehovah spoke with one another, each one with his companion, and Jehovah kept paying attention and listening. And a book of remembrance was written before him for those fearing Jehovah and for those meditating on his name. Malachi 3:16

Ọmọ whatever makes you wakes up everyday thinking about what is written in that book you're surely serving as evidence that the Author is REAL!

Aemmyjah:
Anyone who believes a liar and someone who modifies other people comments is a fool just like Mr Curse

Good morning my brother, how was your night?

The post is also for you and Janosky, i don't have enough to give you my brothers but i can connect you all.

So call me in the evening so we can chat on Whatsapp.

We have a group chat but the admin are three persons only one is a brother so we can't invite anyone new to the group unless the person has proved to be business oriented.

That's why i have to train you first on how to get in and become a member of the group.

So call me around 5pm if you're interested i'm at the hall now preparing for field service.

Good morning!

cornelboy:
No where says babies are God's friends or innocent. Show me the verse and I won't say anything again.

Today is the last day of this service year.

I will like to connect you with the big boys in town, we deal in precious stones and iron scraps so if you're interested call me on the number i gave you.

I know you will need it now that other businesses are suffering setback.

Everything is online, after we have strike a deal each person gets his or her share we'll discuss the sharing formula.

Call me later in the day around 5pm for now i'm off to the field.

Good morning!

Fool!

My posts here are directed to jaephoenix not you.

I'm not having any discussion with you but if you want to dare me start your own thread and tag me.

johnw47:
Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorn bushes under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool
lost false jw mad max, your jehovah is less than all mighty, as you say
and your jehovah is less than all knowing as you also say
and you are also right about atheist dope being really really dumb o, like you
your god false jw mad max is the devil:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
The Christians Jehovah is: Almighty Jehovah, all knowing Jehovah

jaephoenix:
Lol. You won't engage me but you'll engage your fellow dumb JW theists. You know you'll run outta Nairaland if you try me. You just don't have that mental capacity.
Anyway, ciao.

That's the OP if you have anything to say face him i'm not interested in whatever gibberish you want to type!