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zoer:
He should have been a Jew then, an Israelite.
If the Jewish prophets were his predecessors how comes his God is Allah n not yawah, Jehovah. The Jewish prophets never identified with Allah except Mohammed...so how do we believe him now.... The way he got his revelation is different, his own heaven is different everything is just opposite.

The true God promised to establish His covenant with Abraham and his descendants. Genesis 12:1-3
God specifically told Abraham that the covenant will be established with Isaac (Abraham's second son) not Ishmael! Genesis 17:18-21
There are two covenants to be established the first is with the sons of Jacob which is making them a nation of priests! Exodus 19:5-6
The second covenant to be established with the same nation will open the way for people of other nations to be blessed through the nation of priests. Genesis 12:3
Moses was the messenger of the first covenant that's why God gave him supernatural gifts to perform SIGNS as if he's a God in their midst! Exodus 7:1
Jesus of Nazareth is the messenger of the second covenant {Malachi 3:1} that's why God said he will also act like God in their midst! Isaiah 9:6
This has been foretold long ago when God promised the Israelites that another prophet will rise from among them just like Moses! Deuteronomy 18:18 compare to Act 3:22

In Islam we were made to believe that the prophet that's coming in the manner of Moses is muhammad but if so what is the significance of Muhammad since he's not an Israelite?
What are the miraculous SIGNS to prove that he is the one coming in the manner of Moses?

Well the Jews will prefer anyone that can come in replacement of Jesus because he didn't do what they wanted him to do which is leading them to destroy or intimidate all their enemies {John 6:15} whereas he was preaching love for everyone including enemies! Matthew 5:44; Luke 6:27-28

They conspired against Jesus to have him killed so after centuries of waiting in vain for someone else they spitefully embraced Islam to console themselves but many of them know that Muhammad can't be the messenger that's coming in the manner of Moses!

cornelboy:
Check out what understanding and infinite mean in the dictionary.

If you read some couple of verses after verse 5 and before, you'd see that the psalmist was praising God for his immeasurable comprehension of creation and everything existing and he created them with his abundant strength or power. For example, he could call all the stars by name. He definitely named them himself.

God has great comprehension and endless knowledge of the universe and that makes sense since he made the universe.

All he wants to hear is that God's word makes no sense so he's not arguing to know rather his arguments is to misconstrue everything and thereby justify his choice of unbelief!

cornelboy:
You will have to ask God himself if Jesus and others gods are false. If God himself could call men Gods, does that mean that those men he called Gods were false Gods? Jesus is not the "word" in God mouth. Besides God's word is not plural. God speaks multiple "words".

Presumptuousness is their problem as they're determined to add meaning to what Jesus said only chosen ones will teach others whereas God's active force (Holy Spirit) will guide chosen ones.

There are many GODS {1Corinthians 8:5} among them are false Gods that humans are worshiping and those given the supernatural powers to act like God {Exodus 7:1; Isaiah 9:6} so when God said there's no God beside Him He is not talking about those He Himself gave the powers to act like Gods because such ones will always direct worshipers to Him {Deuteronomy 6:4 compare to Mark 12:29} rather God is disqualifying anything else humans are worshiping instead of Him.

That's the confusion misinformed churchgoers has!

Chai!

Janosky really have time for all these confused religionists. Well i am busy chatting with those who want to know the one and only true religion. So if anyone is spreading malicious lies against the true disciples of Christ Jesus it's a welcome development! Matthew 5:11-12

Stellar360:
Christianity has always been about the Divinity of Jesus, while exceedingly being influenced The Roman Catholic Mission.

This is the lies Judaists are spreading because they stubbornly refused to believe the Torah!

According to the Torah there are just two prophets sent to establish the two covenants from God: Moses is the first prophet given the supernatural powers to perform SIGNS like a God in their midst {Exodus 7:1} and their God promised to send another prophet from among them who will come in the same manner {Deuteronomy 18:18} and just like Moses this prophet will also serve as God in their midst {Isaiah 9:6} performing great signs to prove his authenticity as the messenger of the new covenant! Malachi 3:1

So why two covenants?

The first covenant was to fulfil what God told Abraham about his descendants being God's people so Moses was the messenger of that covenant to establish it. Exodus 19:5
The second covenant will be to open the way for people of all other nations to benefit from priestly nation (Israel) Zechariah 8:23

The Israelites proved to be unfaithful towards that first covenant {Jeremiah 31:31-33} but God kept His own side of the covenant until the messenger of that second covenant appeared in their midst as Jesus of Nazareth.

This prophet was speaking to them in the name of the same God who established the first covenant with them using the Torah {John 17:6, 26} he made them realize that they don't need to keep malice with nations around them if they must welcome the second covenant {Matthew 5:44-48} otherwise they will not be able to fulfil the assignment given to them as a means of salvation for all other nations! Genesis 12:1-3

The Jews knew very well that Jesus surely proved to be that promised messenger of the new covenant {John 7:31} but the problem they had with him is their malicious intent to avenge all the errors of the surrounding nations most especially the Romans who were forcefully ruling over them. So when Jesus of Nazareth spoke about love for neighbours {Mark 12:31} they specifically wanted to know what he meant by that word "NEIGHBOUR" Luke 10:29

Jesus proved to them that anyone can be their neighbour it depends on how they treat others {Luke 10:30-37} this really got on their nerves because by that time the Jews (three southern tribes of Israel) has harbored resentment against Samaritans (ten Northern tribes of Israel) for centuries. So for Jesus to illustrate that a Samaritan can be their neighbour is something unacceptable to the Jews!

So don't allow them deceive you anymore Jesus never claimed to be their God rather he consistently told them that he was a messenger from their God! John 3:16

I saw their misconstrued rendering of Isaiah 9:6 where they changed the writings from what Isaiah wrote regarding the coming Messiah who will prove to be a wonderful counselor, mighty God, everlasting father and Prince of Peace in their midst. This was a way to divert the attention of interested individuals away from thinking about Jesus being the promised Messiah.

Please when next you find a professed Jews or Judaist ask him or her to quote any verse in the Tanakh where God asked the Jews to go preaching and teaching people of other nations about their Torah.
They have missed the mark!
If they reject Jesus of Nazareth then they have nothing to prove that their God actually sent them to convert people of other nations, Jesus is the one and only connection between them and other nations that's why he commanded the few Jews that accepted him as the promised Messiah saying:

“All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things" Matthew 28:18-20

The Jews are malicious LIARS all they are doing after rejecting Jesus of Nazareth was to look for support from anyone who will not accept Jesus as the promised Messiah (son of God) that's why they embraced Islam but they short themselves in the foot because Muslims can't reject Jesus completed due to the fact that it's through Jesus' establishment of a group who were preaching and teaching that Muslims got the idea of preaching and teaching to other nations but instead of them to follow Jesus' instructions which says his disciples must be harmless as doves {Matthew 10:16} Muslims kept waging wars against those that resist their politically oriented religion.

I have a lot to tell you but if you want to know more please welcome a free home Bible study with Jehovah's Witnesses. We are not worshiping Jesus rather Jesus is also a worshiper of our God! John 20:17

Thanks, God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Janosky:
No be today we know that you are a WAILER spreading FALSEHOOD on this forum.
DSpeaker Low life efulefu.

My brother, you really have time for all these confused religionists o!

Let them come and stop us from doing our work or from enjoying freedom of association nah.

Stellar360:
This is preposterous.
Christianity is literally influenced by Judaism.

This is a lie!

Judaism isn't the religion Moses handed over to the Israelites, Jewish returnees from Babylon interpreted what Moses wrote and misconstrued it by mixing it up with Babylonian mythology hence Judaism became a problem even for the Jews themselves.
That's what led to contradictions among those claiming Judaists so that several rival sects emerged with conflicting doctrines.

So by the time Jesus of Nazareth walked the earth the Jews themselves were tired of their religious leaders who were contradicting themselves regarding how to worship their God acceptably.

Ọmọ Christianity started on a clean slate having nothing to do with Judaism but because Jesus and those Judaists were quoting the same books most of you think Christianity stem from Judaism. The only thing there is the Judaists started their religion centuries before Jesus arrived but as for beliefs NO that's what led to his persecution and assassination!

jaephoenix:
Omnipotent
All powerful, unlimited power
Omnibenevolent
All merciful/loving/kind
Omniscient
All knowing
They should start English classes in that Kingdom Hall of yours. Y'all really need it.

Definitions that will soon be UPDATED like all others no be humans talk am?

jaephoenix:
What do you understand by this?
Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;
His understanding is infinite

His understanding is timeless: because all the things He created can't operate beyond what He gave them.

For instance God word says:

As for the heavens (all the bodies in space) they belong to Jehovah, But the earth he has given to the sons of men! Psalms 115:16

Humans can't live on any other planet except earth because this is where God GAVE us due to His infinite understanding.

But you people can start living anywhere apart from this planet o so you can prove Him wrong!

jaephoenix:
Have you checked up the meanings of omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent? Please do that and revert. I can't teach you everything

Those words aren't found in the Bible so those using it still need to UPDATE the definitions.
As for what the Bible says such words doesn't apply anywhere around the Bible God!

cornelboy:
Ask you questions again in fewer and precise words with a verse or two. I'll definitely reply you.

I have told him that with Jehovah's Witnesses his cunning attitude can't work.
If he wants to address any issue it's one at a time not putting everything together just for arguing aimlessly!

jaephoenix:
What was his error in that Numbers 22?

You have seen the truth but dodging it!

@ Genesis 3:1-5 we read about a serpent who convinced Eve to eat the forbidden fruit.
Where in the five books of Moses was it written that the spirit being who possessed that poor creature is Satan?

Yet when we talk of the Serpent everyone will say it means Satan.
WHY?
Because Jesus revealed the Identity of that mighty spirit being who possessed the serpent in the Bible book of Revelations 12:9

So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

So what makes it hard for you to agree that the offence Balaam committed is what the same Jesus revealed @ Revelations 2:14?

You can continue dribbling yourself around with misinformed churchgoers but know that i have given you the simple answer to your question!

jaephoenix:
Lol. So Yahweh isn't all powerful and all loving/merciful? Please I need a yes or no answer. Not those passages that don't relate to the topic. Thank you

That you're never going to get from me!

There's YES and NO answers to the same question so if you detests explanation then do whatever pleases you. I have told you that nobody is answerable to you on this we are here to reason not just read and swallow hook line and sinker without substantiating.

All powerful? YES! Our God can do whatever He purpose and nothing can stop Him.
Omnipotent? NO! There are many things our God can't do because whatever is not Holy He can't do it.
All loving? YES! Whatever our God does is motivated by LOVE.
All merciful? YES! Whoever turns back from his or her evil deeds our God will show them mercy.
Omni-benevolent? NO! He will not always put up with evildoers because He purposely create this planet for obedient mankind to enjoy lasting happiness and peace therefore He will surely destroy unrepentant evildoers.

cornelboy:
Good morning sir
I will stop replying him

Good morning my brother, how was your night?

It's good to have the experience so that when you come across such insanes in the field ministry you will know why they often say:

"Jehovah's Witnesses always run away from me when i open the Bible to teach them"

Now you have noticed how speechless he became when the atheist tried to engage him in a meaningful discussion, but the same fool will be agitating that JWs are running away from him and when you try to reason with him he will start quoting scriptures out of context saying he doesn't want to chat with JWs.

So it's better to shun the idiot and use your time for profitable things! Colossians 4:5

overcomersfaith:
What do you understand to by “Myths”? As human we believe in so many things… do you know that some people still worship inanimate objects as God … that is why you and I must stand up and be part of this end time armies of the Lord Jesus…
Read more @ https://overcomers-faith.org/six-myths/

The only way to figure out a myth is by putting it to test. Just ask the adherents to show you how their beliefs (myth) to be proved as a reality if it yields no positive result then know that it's just a myth.
Meanwhile a myth does not always translate to something inactive for instance if i tell you a lie i can also set up something to back it up but if it's true as in real then it should work everywhere you go.

Now i know why those guys killed Deborah Samuel. She's Satan's seed!

cornelboy:
It's my fault na. I shouldn't have started any discussion with you in the first place.

Have you ever seen a madman before?
Well there are many in the society but you can only decipher through a conversation with them. A sane person will speak coherently but an insane will continue to talk aimlessly that's when you will realize that his tongue is still functioning but the brain is not assimilating.

Now you know why i shunned johnw47 all the time! Proverbs 14:7

cornelboy:
He wants to prove to us that the Bible is full of lies. Whereas it's his understanding that's wrong.

His case is like a student who keeps dragging the board and marker with his teacher claiming he knows mathematics better but by the end of the day he can't solve any equation due to his arrogance whereas the teacher has produced thousands of engineers in the society!

Jehovah gave mankind the Bible for a purpose which is for adherents to cohabit peacefully among themselves but the atheist thought it's all about reading without purpose so they kept arguing just as they always do in all matters they choose to intervene whereas Jehovah's Witnesses are making the best use of the Bible to achieve LOVE, JOY and PEACE in their midst the main goal of the Bible's Author! Isaiah 2:2-4

No wonder the Author said:
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways are not my ways,” declares Jehovah. “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So my ways are higher than your ways And my thoughts than your thoughts" Isaiah 55:8-9

Please tell the atheist that the Bible is not all about reading without a purpose because the Author has a purpose for giving mankind that book so whether atheists grasp this or not the Author is already achieving His goal! John 5:17

jaephoenix:
That's interesting. So Yahweh isn't all powerful or all merciful? Lol. These JWs…

Potency in the case of omni-potent has to do with ability to do anything whether good or evil but Abraham challenged God saying:
it's unthinkable of God to do what is wrong! Genesis 18:25

Benevolence in the case of omni-benevolence has to do with ever tolerable regarding what is evil but Habakkuk under inspiration said:

Your eyes are too pure to look on what is evil, And you cannot tolerate wickedness. Why, then, do you tolerate the treacherous And keep silent when a wicked man swallows up someone more righteous than he is? Habakkuk 1:13

So from the two verses above it's clear that He can't be omni-potent neither omni-benevolent!

jaephoenix:
Are the words Omnibenevolent and omnipotent in the Bible? Yes or no. Please don't beat around the bush

Of course not because God is none of those things nah!

cornelboy:
I have already answered you. God knows everything in the universe he created. He has great expertise in that. When it comes to our choice and the outcome of things happening in the world today, he doesn't know because he doesn't pay attention to them.
But he can know and accurately predict the future if he needs or wants to. He can read anybody's mind and know what the person is about to do. He doesn't do that spontaneously and continuously. And he cannot control it because of the free will he gave us.

I have told him all these countless times but the teachings of Christendom that's blurring his senses yet he doesn't believe in the teachings he wants to hold on to.
Is that not funny?

cornelboy:
Lol.
There was a day I was trying to explain to an atheist on Facebook that hell fire isn't real that hell is simply the grave. This guy started using the Bible to show me that it's real and he doesn't even believe in hell fire. He later started insulting me haha.

Atheists always try to play smart by provoking misinformed churchgoers and religionists they just want to make fun of them but when they come in contact with Jehovah's Witnesses and we beat their intelligence they're the ones who now turn to provocation!

jaephoenix:
Lol
1. Maybe you skipped kindergarten(which is highly possible considering your comprehension issues) but I learned the definition of omniscient. This is the definition
knowing everything
There was no mention of the words omnipotent or omnibenevolent in the bible. But you use those to attribute Yahweh don't you? Those words were later connotations that came up as language grew. They simply mean all powerful and all merciful, respectively. And those later 2 words all powerful and all merciful are replete in the Bible. Does it mean the words omnipotent and omnibenevolent are wrong? No.
Like I said, do your kindergarten. Learn Words and Synonyms and revert

2. Coming from a black man that receives his orders and instructions from 8 bald men in the US, this post of yours reeks of stupidity and ignorance at its finest.
And just so you know, there is no atheist Holy book or Bible. We get our morals from our conscience. No atheist would tell the other how to live his or her life, no matter how highly placed in the society he or she is. And definitely no atheist is a white supremacist. How you got that information, I wouldnt know. Maybe your Kingdom Hall pastor told you that just like they told you cholesterol is related to asthma and masturbators have mood swings. Lol

Ọmọ if the word "OMNISCIENT" didn't appear in the Bible then you can't force it there each person will rather stick to his interpretation!

cornelboy:
@MaxInDHouse
When I saw this from the beginning, I knew it was your post.

YES! That's my former account which i deleted due to disturbances from social media beggars!

Nowhere in all these verses is "OMNISCIENT" mentioned!

So you should know that something is wrong with your interpretation.

Instead of quoting countless verses as directed by your white supremacists ATHEISTS do your own homework and pick just two or three you feel no believer can explain then present it and leave the rest to me.
Know that our understanding doesn't mean you must accept but a presentation of our own interpretation of what you quoted.

jaephoenix:
Lemme oblige you and repost those verses again. Maybe you're dyslexic.

Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;
His understanding is infinite.

1 John 3:20
in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.

Psalm 139:4
Even before there is a word on my tongue,
Behold, O Lord, You know it all.

Matthew 10:30
But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Psalm 147:4
He counts the number of the stars;
He gives names to all of them.

Hebrews 4:13
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.


Psalm 139:1-4
O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

Psalm 44:21
Would not God find this out?
For He knows the secrets of the heart.

1 Chronicles 28:9
“As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the Lord searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.

Isaiah 40:28
Do you not know? Have you not heard?
The Everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth
Does not become weary or tired.
His understanding is inscrutable.


Isaiah 46:9-10
“Remember the former things long past,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is no one like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things which have not been done,
Saying, ‘My purpose will be established,
And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’;

Psalm 139:1-3
O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

1 Kings 8:39
then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive and act and render to each according to all his ways, whose heart You know, for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men,

Acts 1:24
And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen

What does Psalms mean by His understanding is infinite. What do you understand by the word 'infinite'?

In 1st John, the verse stated Yahweh knows all things. It didn't say he knows only about his creations. Even the other Psalms says before you utter a word, Yahweh knows it all, from what you're about to say or do(everything). Your whole anatomy, the stars etc are all laid bare(as stated by the other verses). He even knows the secret of our hearts, said Psalms 44. In fact every of your actions is noted. In fact, in Isaiah, Yahweh himself(not any prophets) stated he knows the beginning of the world to the end.
There is no limitations of his knowledge anywhere else. The only limitations comes from you and your gang.
Its unfortunate its an atheist that should explain the bible to a theist like a JW. Yahweh must be shaking his head in bemusement.

Hidden Treasure and riches:

My son, if you accept my sayings And treasure up my commandments, By making your ear attentive to wisdom And inclining your heart to discernment; Moreover, if you call out for understanding And raise your voice for discernment; If you keep seeking for it as for SILVER, And you keep searching for it as for HIDDEN TREASURES ; Then you will understand the fear of Jehovah, And you will find the knowledge of God! Proverbs 2:1-5

It's not about materials riches but spiritual!

jaephoenix:
Please read those bible passages I posted on Yahweh being omniscient. Thank you

Ọmọ you're misconstruing everything and it's obvious you don't want to know the truth.

No verse tells you God is omniscient, He knows everything about His own program from start to finish but as regards what human will choose to do regarding righteousness He doesn't know.

That's why He told them:

‘“As surely as I am alive,” declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, “I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that someone wicked changes his way and keeps living. Turn back, turn back from your bad ways, for why should you die, O house of Israel?”’ Ezekiel 33:11

So man has the freewill to do good or evil just as Balaam did!

cornelboy:
You are the ones saying he's omniscient and want him to be what you him to be. You can't control God.

If we are talking about general knowledge, he knows everything. He knows what the universe is made of, how everything happened, how life begin, what our bodies is made of, just name it.

But when it comes to our action, what will happen in the very next minute, he doesn't know.

I have told him this countless times but he is stuck to the teachings of Christendom churches and that's what he wants to use in judging everyone who believes the Bible.

This is what God told Abraham about Sodom and Gomorrah:

“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Genesis 18:20-21

About Abraham's faith God said:

“Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me" Genesis 22:12

From the two accounts does it show that God is what the churches of Christendom taught our friend?

But instead of him to rejoice that he has found the truth he is bitter!

WHY?

Because he's selfish so he wants to determine what God should be and do exactly what he wants as long as God doesn't turn out as he expected he's not only satisfied with being an atheist but to stop everyone else from having faith in God!

cornelboy:
Have I ever quoted NWT here before?
You still went ahead to say "I was just wondering why you quickly abandoned NWT for another version...".
You're not very honest and I will stop responding to you.
You can boldly admit that you now see that Jesus was a spirit being just like every creatures in heaven. Don't say it shyly.

Now you know why i ignored the arrogant fool!

All he's poised here to do is exchange hurtful words with JWs, apart from that he has nothing tangible to say!

cornelboy:
You're the dog here running after the JWs for crumbles of bread.

He is empty nah me he wan follow talk make he just dey quote verses without applying it coherently.

cornelboy:
I certainly know my God doesn't feed his eyes with the atrocities committed in the world today.
Imagine an holy God seeing and knowing all the things going on all over the night clubs in the world.
My point is GOD can know anything whenever he wants to know.

Hmmmmmmm who said you're not one of HIS servants?
Fully competent and completely equiped! 2Timothy 3:17

jaephoenix:
Your own is even worse. You talked rubbish anf ran off. His own issue is he's too cowardly but you're an ignorant megalomaniac

OK Sir!