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In fact JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have the best teachers ever on this planet!

How can you type almost 14 epistles naming them as CHAPTERS and expecting sane individuals to come arguing aimlessly with you?

Each member of Jehovah's Witnesses have thousands of things to tell you but we won't bombard you with too much topics rather we will INTELLIGENTLY pick a topic of discussion and with choice of words strike a conversation with you.

For your information that's why most of your pastors who have noticed our competence do tell you not to listen at all when we visit you in your homes because if you do you will certainly fall in love with our choice of words, manner of approach and presentation!

jaephoenix:
Til now, you haven't said anything about the topic but you're quick to bash other theists about their silence. Are you nuts?

Obviously you don't read comments you're just hurriedly responding.

I said your topic is simple but 13 chapters of epistles has complicated it all!

So pick few quotes and go straight to what you want me to address not complicating the whole thing, that's why you became helpless when commentators where derailing your thread, if you have just two or three points it will be easy for you to drive them back to the main points you want them to comment on!

jaephoenix:
Are you aware that there are other peaceful sects/denominations?

There are lots of soft drinks like Coca cola but they're not globally recognized like Coke {Isaiah 2:2} that's the undeniable difference!

FRANCISTOWN:
That their story book doesn't even worth my time no more

After the above statement almost five comments followed including the below:

FRANCISTOWN:
Thanks for furthering the confusion and gaffe.
If nothing was created but by the Word according to John , and the Word said he is the beginning of creation.
Some things:
1. What was the "Word" created of?
2. The word is still a creation
3. The Word is not the beginning, because the word was also created.
4. The Word was with God as a separate entity.

Surely that book worths no atheist's time walahi talahi!

paxonel:
Jesus says my kingdom is not of this world

So pray for this kingdom of God that's not of this world (human being) to come from heaven and establish righteous rule on the earth! Matthew 6:10

jaephoenix:
Ok, bro. Then have a good day

None of them is interested in Bible discourse because they're not trained to engage in such discussion unlike Jehovah's Witnesses who are fully competent and completely equiped to strike meaningful conversation with strangers.

So if you want to engage a real Bible student like me just pick few Bible quotations that you feel is really contradicting then type just two or three sentences to explain what you want to know. I will make myself available and i promise not to allow for any distraction from all these misinformed churchgoers.

jaephoenix:
Ok. You're right.
Lets ignore your derailing and dodging antics and focus on the topic.
What is your take?
I kept the main gaffes aside thinking I'd have more challengers from christians, but look what I got….

I told you i will teach you how to strike what is called MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION!

Now this is what God's organization taught me and i will like you to borrow a leaf from our way of engaging people in our neighbourhood.

First of all what you typed is too lengthy so it'll be really difficult for any interested person to engage you. All you need is pick just three to four Bible quotations that you feel will drive home your point followed by two to three sentences, in that way you'll be able to drive any derailing commentator back to the main points but since you're not focused on what you want to establish it will turn out to be aimless and purposeless.

jaephoenix:
This part of your post doesn't make sense. But lets say Rutherford is the founder, how does it make your organization 'the right one'?

I've told you several times but it's obvious you don't just want to know. Isaiah 2:2-4 repeated at Micah 4:1-3 specifically mentioned what God intended to achieve through the global campaign that the Messiah is coming to commission so out of all the religions claiming Christians only Jehovah's Witnesses met that goal.

jaephoenix:
Lol. You're the one that derailed the thread with your regular 'we da best' quote. So I ignored you up til now

You're not honest with your own findings otherwise you shouldn't have been taken away from your own personal research.
If you say: The book of Bible gaffes

Nothing concerns you with whatever any adherent of such a book say all you should be concerned is your own PERSONAL findings.

But since you're not trained like true disciples of Christ (Jehovah's Witnesses) you were taken away into another theme which has nothing to do with your thread.

Stupidity in atheists!

He started his thread with almost 14 chapters of what he wants to dispute with churchgoers only for him to start posting over 30 comments about Jehovah's Witnesses on the same thread, what about his own 14 epistles or chapters?
TRASHED!

If we tell you to keep praying for God's kingdom just as Jesus commanded us you people will say:
"Jehovah's Witnesses are devils, they don't want good things"

Continue following your prophets nah at least they're wishing you well even though it's all lies!

jaephoenix:
Bro, rephrase…
Doesn't make sense

How will it make sense as you've been robbed of your own thread?
You're demanding akpu and vegetable soup with assorted meat only for churchgoers to set garri and water on the table for you, and instead of being consistent with what you want you stupidly carry and start drinking the garri even savouring it like you don't know what you really want!

jaephoenix:
Right.
Russell founded the group, Rutherford took a splinter group and renamed it. Seemed like stuff regular mortals do: bicker and baulk over inane stuff. So where does Jesus Christ come into all this?

How easy it is for others to channel your brain to what they want instead of you focusing on the right path?

If changing names doesn't make the changer founder of his group then it simply means all the sects claiming "Christians" from Catholics to Anglican, Methodist, Apostolic, Presbyterian, Deeperlife, MFM, Christ Embassy, Synagogues and the rest all belongs to Jesus of Nazareth because they keep on changing names whereas the name used to draw followers is "Jesus Christ"

So it's either you agree that Rutherford is the founder of the group he named or Jesus is the founder of all religions claiming Christians.

Ọmọ you're not chatting with misinformed churchgoers o!

AntiChristian:
What's antibody?
Who is on the throne?
The writer of Acts said he saw Jesus standing on the right side of the father...

AntiChristian:
Nope! Explain the drift!
A human being exist as an entity! The body and soul never separates except in death! And there's no difference between spirit and soul!
See Max's comment above, the writer of Acts said he saw Jesus standing at the right side of the father!
So who is giving us lamba here?

The writer of Act is a disciple named "Luke"
He isn't the one who saw Jesus at God's right hand rather it's Stephen another disciple killed by the witness of Saul (later became Paul)

The dogma of TRINITY has been infused in their heads so even if they read in their Bibles that God and Jesus are two separate beings both in heaven and earth TRINITY doctrine won't allow them to think straight.

If God is three in one person then it would have been that the one who came to the earth as Jesus parted from that body when leaving heaven and after returning to heaven he should go back into that body not seen as a separate being the way David and Stephen saw two separate beings in heaven! Psalms 110:1 compare to Act 7:56

jaephoenix:
Nobody was interested in addressing the topic. Even you weren't interested in addressing it. I just got disinterested in the thread. Instead you theists have derailed it so I had mo choice than to follow suit. But if u r still interested in discussing it, by all means do

That shows the level of your IQ!

If you start a foundation and you allowed those against whom you purposely got a rifle to channel your brain into aiming something else instead of being consistent at pulling the trigger at them then something is missing in your brain!

jaephoenix:
Rutherford named your denomination just like Kumuyi named his.
By the way, change of name doesn't mean its a different organization. International Bible Students changed its name to Jehovah Witness. And both names were given by mere mortals. You'll have to do better, bro

Ọmọ you're the one dying over what hasn't got anything to do with you.
John the baptist baptized Jesus of Nazareth and afterwards Jesus began his own ministry with few members of John's group while the rest of John's group never followed Jesus.
That's exactly what happened to Russell and Rutherford, the group Russell led splited into various groups and Rutherford named the one he headed so in your right senses the founder should have been Rutherford going by your analogy because neither Kumuyi nor Oyedepo or Olukoya brought people from the space it's the same people from other religions that came together to form what they named and started being the founder.
So tell your friend the truth Russell can't be the founder it would have made more sense to say Rutherford founded the group since he named it just like others also named their own foundations
I will teach you how to use your brain!

advocatejare:
No. I’m only tired of dignifying a dishonorable nincompoop with long write up, we shall continue when you have answered my questions

The answer is simple and even the atheist has helped you enough to see your folly, Russell can't be the founder of a group he never named!

AntiChristian:
Isaiah's Vision of the Lord in His Glory Isaiah 6:1-3
In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted; and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him stood seraphim, each having six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying. And they were calling out to one another: “Holy, holy, holy is the LORD of Hosts; all the earth is full of His glory.”…

Who was on the throne?

Jesus, Yahweh, Holy Spirit or three in one!

Let them know that you, whose name is the Lord— that you ALONE are the Most High over all the earth.‭‭Psalms‬ ‭83:18‬ ‭NIV‬‬

That men may know that thou, whose name ALONE is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.Psalms 83:18 KJV

May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You ALONE are the Most High over all the earth. Psalms 83:18 NWT

So it's not Jesus or holy spirit but JEHOVAH ALONE he saw!

God's Holy Spirit is not a person but the active force of God, it operated on a disciple of Jesus called Stephen and when he saw the same throne Isaiah saw this is what he said:

“Look! I see the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.” Act 7:56

David also foresaw in a vision about what will happen after Jesus has finished his earthly mission:

Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”. Psalms 110:1

So from what we can gather through reasoning from the scriptures Isaiah saw only JEHOVAH when Jesus hasn't earn the position to sit beside God's throne!

Funny people!

An atheist posted almost 14 lengthy epistles to disqualify the Bible and rubbish all it's adherents, no member of Christendom churches has come to address the issue but he no longer have interest in his own topic only to start worrying over the rumor a member of Christendom brought up against another group.

Ọmọ wahala dey for Okpoko!

advocatejare:
The chief of denials

OK nah you're tired typing of long story shey?

jaephoenix:
Same way 'Jehovah' gave Kumuyi, Adekoya etc the inspiration to name their churches. You claim the same shit every 'churchgoer' says, all without a shred of evidence

So it's Kumuyi who named his own Deeperlife as founder nah!
How is Charles Taze Russell the founder when he knew nothing about the name we bear now?

Janosky:
" What do we mean by oneness?
unity of thought, feeling, belief, aim, etc.; agreement; concord. a strong feeling of closeness or affinity; union: He feels a oneness with God.
Oneness Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com
www.dictionary.com › browse › oneness"
Confused LYING TRINITARIAN exposed

I have discovered that the more they're trying to uphold their trinity the more confused they are among themselves.
If you call members of the whole 41,000+ churches to speak about their God not even two will agree on what their God stands for yet they are agitating over what Jehovah's Witnesses believe!

sonmvayina:
the people he meant where those obeying his commandments... not those worshipping an idol... so you are way off the mark..

And what's the essence of COMMANDMENTS?

advocatejare:
Hehehehe, it has gotten to the point where you will disown your founder.
Now tell us who is your founder ?
Who is Russel?

Keep on asking! Matthew 7:7

sonmvayina:
and you are ignoring Gods only solution on how to achieve it for a human idea...
that's where you keep missing it...

Funny you!

Your God's idea ISN'T WORKING while the so called human idea is ACHIEVING it so go and have a rethink my guy.

If something is WORKING out perfectly while the one your god infused in your head isn't then obviously you don't know the true God!

jaephoenix:
Actually, you're wrong.
A dude named Rutherford took over from Taze after years of a 'bloody civil war' and named it.
At a convention at Columbus, Ohio on July 26, 1931, Rutherford made a psychological break with the large number of disaffected Bible Students by proposing the adoption of the name Jehovah's witnesses, based on the scripture at Isaiah 43:10, "Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord"
So you see, your organization was founded and named by a human, unlike your claim

Ọmọ God has never spoken to unbelievers about how his worshipers should be called nah!

It's from the mouth of His worshipers that you should find out what they're to be called not the other way around.

So Joseph Rutherford pronounced it but it's JEHOVAH that put it in his mouth that's why only this group has been able to achieve what God promised regarding His worshipers in the last days! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

jaephoenix:
Ok. I found this online.
Jehovah's Witnesses started in 1870 when Charles Taze Russell led Bible studies in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. The Jehovah's Witnesses movement came out of the Bible Student movement, also founded by Russell. When he started to dispute some traditional Christian views, the Jehovah's Witnesses were born.
Now if you claim, your group was founded by Jesus Christ, can we have proof to that effect?
Hope you know many denominations claim their groups were founded by the same Jesus Christ dude, yet they haven't provided any evidence to that effect.
Now if you declare he founded yours, then we need evidence since he was rumored to have died centuries ago

Now you're talking!

Charles Taze Russell was a member of that research group called International Bible Students Association (IBSA) he was made their spokesperson and president because he declared all his assets and gave it all for the work the group was doing that's what led to the trouble he had with his wife who thought it supposed to be a money making venture to enrich the family!

Now back to the matter of founder!

There are many religions all claiming followers of Jesus of Nazareth but Jesus himself said it's by their FRUITS that you will IDENTIFY them {Matthew 7:16} note that the human founders of each sect stands in position of the prophet whose legacy those groups are following {Matthew 7:15} therefore if any group claims they are following Jesus of Nazareth all you need to do is find out what was the aim and objective of Jesus the founder of Christianity?

Some 600 years before the birth of Jesus two Jewish prophets foretold God's plans which will lead to the destruction of all evildoers on this planet {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} through this plan a global family of peace loving worshipers will emerge as adherents of the God of Abraham, they will all speak in harmony as if they're speaking the same language! Zephaniah 3:9

So when Jesus walked this planet he commissioned a movement that will go throughout the earth in gathering peace loving people {Act 1:8} by teaching them all what he commanded {Matthew 28:19-20} regarding love for humanity in general: LOVE
For neighbours! Mark 12 31
For fellow believers! John 13:34-35; 15:12-13
For haters! Matthew 5:44; Luke 6:27-28

Therefore if any sect or religion claims they are practicing what Jesus taught they should be able to PRODUCE this FRUIT everywhere they go to prove that Jesus is truly working with them! Matthew 28:20

Since 1914 the IBSA has been declaring that Jesus has returned as a mighty spirit King and is now working with them.

Where is the proof?

They were practicing Christianity the same way all other groups were doing until that year but from then they began making adjustments as if someone is making corrections in what they believe and gradually many who can't cope with all the adjustments started leaving to form their own religions claiming they belong to the popular American Pastor Russell.
So there are many groups that came out from the IBSA but those who stood firm during the adjustments became another religion totally different from all the others and by the year 1931 they adopted that new group name:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

Only this group has achieved what Jesus said regarding his future disciples today in line with what God planned as written in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3


That's why i keep saying only Jehovah's Witnesses are truly following Jesus Christ!

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advocatejare:
It is you who is ashamed of the life your useless FOUNDER lived that is not worthy of emulating

Funny churchgoer!

Russell who never knew about the name of our group is the founder shey?

Kumuyi founded Deeperlife, Akindayomi founded RCCG, Oyedepo founded Winners Chapel, Olukoya founded MFM, Oyakilome founded Christ Embassy, TB Joshua founded Synagogue, Babalola founded C.A.C., Oshoffa founded Cele, Orimolade founded Cherubim and Seraphim, Mouka founded Lord chosen.
All these founders named their foundation but in the case of Charles Taze Russell he didn't even know about the name Jehovah's Witnesses.
So can he be the founder?

jaephoenix:
Did he come here proclaiming his denomination/sect/organization etc is the best? No. Since you made that declaration then you should defend it. Its very simple. If he comes and says so, my sect is da bomb, then we'll have to examine his claim

What has this got to do with the fact that the man he's referring to is not the founder of our group?

Ọmọ sincerity is required to solve this matter not just trying to be biased simply because we are saying what our founder said in the first century {John 14:6} which led all Jewish sects back then to hate him and his disciples! John 17:14

We are the one and only true Christian group as FOUNDED by Jesus who is called CHRIST.

That's what your friend is trying really hard to dodge by raising irrelevant questions about a 19th century man (Charles Taze Russell) who isn't the founder of our group!

Dtruthspeaker:
Meaning, you don lie before and you dey normally lie, so you don prove my case finish. hehehehe. And case don finish

OK nah!

Dtruthspeaker:
Offu Point. No one asked you devil and we all know that you are a liar like your father Satan.

What's the lie here?

Is it that Jesus has a father who is also my father and God who is also my God? John 20:17

Ọmọ you no fit survive this one because that book Bible belongs to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES so we will always judge you by quoting what is killing your father Satan! Isaiah 54:17

Dtruthspeaker:
Kai! Jw devil will always lie and twist Truth in proof that they are truly children of Satan. See how he don bend the meaning of believe.
Anyway, kill yourself on top John 11:25.

You're the one killing yourself on what we believe:

Jesus is archangel Michael who is organizing us to doing God's will globally but if you're not OK with that then present a better performing group that's working towards God's will instead of crying hopelessly here on Nairaland!

sonmvayina:
so you will rather be in a performing group that worships an idol than be counted as one that keeps Gods divine laws and statues...
now i know where you stand..

Ọmọ GOD is not Torah neither is He in any law rather GOD is in the Love, Joy and Peace of humanity.

So if your intellect is restricted to what is written instead of the Love Joy and Peace of humanity then your god is worthless to me!