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Truvelisback:
Is their refusal for not possessing the lands not disobedience?

NO!
They got enough land to share among themselves and God was pleased with their settlement that He didn't condemn them for their failure.
But then it's fighting and killing of God's servants that Jesus emphatically spoke about:
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you" Matthew 23:37-38

As regards their blunders which has to do with imperfection God overlooked such flimsy issues:
"As far off as the sunrise is from the sunset, So far off from us he has put our transgressions. As a father shows mercy to his sons, Jehovah has shown mercy to those who fear him. For he well knows how we are formed, Remembering that we are mere dust" Psalms 103:12-14
But when they rejected Christ Jesus the greatest sign they never experienced was given:
The large curtain showing that God is with them in the temple was torn from top to bottom. Showing that their system of worship and temple has been abandoned by the angel inside it! Matthew 27:51
From that very day God had no dealing with Israelites unless anyone who has been baptized in the name of Christ Jesus! John 1:11-12
So their rejection of Christ brought them from grace to grass just as God has warned them centuries before then! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

Most religions have books and whether we know the author or not what really matter is the influence the book has on its adherents.

It's like food that we don't know the chef who prepared it normally we may be skeptical or even suspicious of such meals but then if we watch closely those who have eaten as in consumed the food the results will move us either to flee or draw closer to the meal whether we know the cook or not.

The same thing happens to religious books, if your religious book hasn't been able to produce any quality gathering all your arguments will make no practical sense! Matthew 7:16-19

The holy spirit has only one FRUIT!


But the FRUIT of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. ‭Galatians 5:22-23 NIV‬

But the FRUIT of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Galatians 5:22 KJV

On the other hand, the FRUITAGE of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23

So the FRUIT of God's holy spirit is one but it has several attributes!

Today the false religion disguising to be what it's not is gradually loosing members as most followers aren't proud to declare publicly the name of their church.
Decades ago members of the churches do preach in buses and afterwards they will announce the name of their church for everyone to know where such teaching is coming from but today you'll see them preach and say:
"You can attend any Bible believing church"
So they know very well that the churches have lost their esteem in the society therefore they are telling people to claim Christians but not to be affiliated to any church after all there is no church that stands out.
But is this how it supposed to be?
Jesus told his disciples saying:

“You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden." ‭Matthew 5:14 NIV‬

This means Christianity supposed to stand out as the world's most adorable group of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:4

But sadly the churches of Christendom have dragged the legacy Jesus laid down in the quagmire with what they are producing in the society.

No wonder politicians are now using them as tools to secure public offices and thus rivals in politics view churches as a threat to their ambitions!😟

enemyofprogress:
One of the best decisions I made in my life was leaving the RCCG in 2018.

With all the trending issues surrounding the woman who recently said she has left the RCCG, I actually congratulate her family.

The journey of faith is individual thing!

Do not be amazed that members of her family may view her as Satanic especially when she can't present any better gathering. So if she leaves one of the churches of Christendom but failed to tell people the one she's now associating with it simply means she is just a wanderer with nothing to be praised for.

We all eat everyday but if someone say he no longer consumes food prepared by his preferred chef whoever celebrates such a person is surely bias we can only celebrate sush a person if he or she presents the new chef who is now making his or her dishes.

Two things will be gained:
1. As we compare the delicacies of the former chef to that of the new chef we are edified spiritually speaking and we can all see the clear difference which makes him or her switch from one to another.

2. We also compare the sound health of those consuming the delicacies of the former chef to the consumers of the new chef. Jesus said "by their fruits you will know" {Matthew 7:16-18} so merely saying i am sacking my chef for whatever reason you may have but failure to present your new chef means something is wrong with you after all you can't say you are no longer eating.

I will prefer to remain in RCCG as long as you can't present a better performing group Jesus knows that i'm coping with what i know is good where there is no better option! 1Thessalonians 5:21 😟

Truvelisback:
They didn't. Joshua and Caleb didn't possess all the lands God gave them to possess. What you are talking about is completely different. We are talking about physical lands.

God's promises to that nation is tied to their OBEDIENCE {Exodus 19:5} but if they refuse to obey then the privilege will be lost. Deuteronomy 18:18-19

That is what Jesus told them! Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38

If it's just automatic then why should God judge any other person or nation for disobedience?🙂

I believe haters of God's organization are seeing how to handle someone who wants to discredit the Bible without throwing insults up and down! 1Peter 3:15

This is why most pastors often tell their followers not to engage Jehovah's Witnesses in intellectual discussions because we are fully competent and completely equipped with the scriptures! 2Timothy 3:16-17

This is what the God of Jehovah's Witnesses said:


No weapon forged against you will prevail, and you will refute every tongue that accuses you. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and this is their vindication from me,” declares the Lord. ‭Isaiah 54:17 NIV‬

Satan has fabricated lots of devices to discredit God's word but no matter how effective Satan's tactics {Hebrews 13:9} true servants of God are well trained to quench the arrow {Ephesians 6:16} without exchanging insults with anyone we will just outsmart them with simple questions {1Peter 3:15} and they will run away! James 4:7🙂

Krismas:
I am not obligated to answer your questions. All am saying to u, is dat all religion on earth is composed to lead humans to hell. Religion is one of your greatest enemy bro.

At least you should know by now that there is freedom of speech, expression and worship. The only reason why you are here is to pass a message but if you don't expect to answer any question then how can you imagine adults will just take your words and trash what they believe without scrutiny?😟

Krismas:
u not ready for the truth. Scriptures that are forged and outright lies in plain sight, yet u can't see it? U not prepared to see the truth.

I believe you aren't expecting me to just swallow whatever you say without asking you any questions or is it my questions that makes you worry?
Well i believe (trust) the Bible because i have tested what it say and found out that it's true but i'm not tied to it if you have something better than the Bible i'm open minded!

@ Krismas
I'm still expecting your response on this at least before i can switch to another teacher for answers to these questions:

*How did life begin?

*Why are we here?

*Why do innocent people suffer?

*What happens when a person dies?

*If everyone wants peace, why is there so much war?

*What will happen to the earth in the future?
I need to know where you got all these stories from!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Where can i get all these information?😟

femi4:
Coward, you cannot even admit to your lies

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses!
If you don't have any other religion to present just run along!
See how a real Christian handles issues on this thread when atheists see how a real believer in Christ responds to their arguments they become silent instead of exchanging insults! 1Peter 3:15
We are not trained to throw insults but defend the truth in a wise way!🙂

femi4:
They also teach you how to lie in your kingdom hall...mtheww

Oh it was you who first mentioned the name of a REPUTABLE ORGANIZATION but can't mention any other even your!🙂

Kemical23:
According to your own story book called bible;
It will be more easy for a 🐪 camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to make heaven,
Which means almost all the pastor are going to hell...
The people who wrote this book are very funny, they want to enslave Africans by all means, they always talk about poverty and riches after death...

False religion is the problem!

He wasn't talking about heaven or hell as most people has been erroneously taught, back then Jesus was talking to those who will become his future corulers and just like him they have no business with worldly riches otherwise what they could opt for is life on planet earth which has to do with material things.
People like Abraham till John the baptist aren't going to be corulers with Christ so their reward will be everlasting life on planet earth.

Truvelisback:
Israel didn't lose their lands because they rejected Christ. They lost their lands before Christ came to the earth. Read the old testament.

Of course they lost the land several times and still recovered it back because God wanted to fulfill His promises to Abraham. Once the Christ has been in their midst whatever makes them loose the privilege to work with him means complete rejection!

That is what God told them through Moses! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

So when they finally rejected Jesus that privilege of being God's special people was lost for good! Matthew 21:43

Where can i get all these information?😟

Krismas:
😁 No true religion whatsoever
Atheism is like a religion all by itself too. And Its extremely misleading as all the rest
There are gods. But they are people (HU) who came from the 9th galaxy to the earth 10thousand years ago. They are born and they die like us. Difference just been the advancement of their science and tech over our own. Nothing like miracle and they didn't create us, what they did was coparent us. Meaning, HU had sex with MAN they found indigenous to the earth and the offspring became HUMAN. There 3different Yahweh in your scripture though you don't notice. BAAL, MADOCK and ZEUS and they are all late.
To your questions.
1. How life began? No one knows. The gods are as confused on that as anyone else. You are 2billion years old bro. The gods are not older than u.
2. Why we here? That question is packed. Two things are the likely suspect. 1. Retribution 2.The gods.
Gods are preventing people from migrating elsewhere. They force people to reincarnate. They have turned this place to a prison planet.
3. Retribution mostly. If you get away with one atrocity in one lifetime, u meet it In your next. Retribution is the only atonement. Forgiveness of sin is a dangerous scam
4. When a person dies? He is captured by the gods, who then delete your memory in hell, b4 forcing the person to reincarnate. Everyone on earth is suffering from trauma induced amnesia, thanks to the gods you worshipping
6. The earth? Earth is 20billion years old. Its bound to breakup one day with all life ending on earth. Life will always find expression in other places.

Krismas:
Sure I was once a Christian loony. Till i found the answer. EVERY RELIGION is a lie, fabricated to degrade humanity. Religion is a primary setback for humans.

You surely have a point because i once decided to opt for atheism too when i realized that there are many questions bothering people's minds but answers are not forth coming.

Well the truth is FALSE RELIGION is here to destroy humanity but you will be surprised that there is a true religion.

For instance look at these questions:

*How did life begin?

*Why are we here?

*Why do innocent people suffer?

*What happens when a person dies?

*If everyone wants peace, why is there so much war?

*What will happen to the earth in the future?

Humans need answers to these questions because these are the same questions ringing in the minds of THIEVES, FRAUDSTERS, HIRED KILLERS, WITCHES and many more and since they can't find answers each individual have decided to do whatever it takes just to survive or seek justice anyway they can get it.

For instance a person who experienced injustice and have nobody to fight for him will surely opt for witchcraft at least with that he or she will get justice for himself/herself.

So as Witnesses of the true God we don't look down on anyone because we are aware of the things most people are facing daily. This is what religion supposed to take care of {James 1:27} but sadly false religion has worsen matters as their leaders are only concerned with how to extort money from their gullible followers!🙂

Kobojunkie:
This is false! Peter may have been a fisherman, but we have no way of knowing whether he was illiterate.😒

You don't believe the Bible so why are you always joining in discussions that has to do with the Bible?

Here is what Luke penned down about Peter:

Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus. KJV Acts 4:13

When they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus. ‭Acts 4:13 NIV‬

So Peter and many of the other disciples were ILLITERATES but Jesus selected them for their faithfulness and loyalty because according to Jesus those are the type of people God is pleased to use first {Matthew 11:25} instead of the intellectuals.

Krismas:
😀 Am amused you have a problem with dat! I don't think its wrong to read or comment on loony topics?

Please have you always felt this way towards religion or you started feeling so after asking thought provoking questions that no one is ready to address?🙂

Jesus foretold the event that will mark the end of Babylon the Great.

Babylon The Great is the world empire of false religion. Revelation 17:5
She sits on many waters {Revelation 17:1} this means the greatest population of earth's inhabitants are members of false religion {Revelation 17:15} but before the destruction of this prostitute Jesus said the waters she is sitting on will dry up {Revelation 16:12} this means all the people supporting false religion will start taking their leave!

I keep asking one question and most people aren't paying attention to that question.

I often say:

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses, please what is the name of your church?

And the next thing you will see is either silence or people throwing tantrums instead of mentioning the name of their church.

Why do you think this is happening?

Well they are now ashamed of all the atrocities committed by the prostitute {Revelation 17:4} and the next thing is gradually they are leaving either physically or spiritually as they can no longer voice their support again for their once highly esteemed places of worship!

Jesus foretold the event that will mark the end of Babylon the Great.

Babylon The Great is the world empire of false religion. Revelation 17:5
She sits on many waters {Revelation 17:1} this means the greatest population of earth's inhabitants are members of false religion {Revelation 17:15} but before the destruction of this prostitute Jesus said the waters she is sitting on will dry up {Revelation 16:12} this means all the people supporting false religion will start taking their leave!

I keep asking one question and most people aren't paying attention to that question.

I often say:

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses, please what is the name of your church?

And the next thing you will see is either silence or people throwing tantrums instead of mentioning the name of their church.

Why do you think this is happening?

Well they are now ashamed of all the atrocities committed by the prostitute {Revelation 17:4} and the next thing is gradually they are leaving either physically or spiritually as they can no longer voice their support again for their once highly esteemed places of worship!

omojeesu:
So the Primate is Jesus Christ?
He represents Christianity abi?
And because he doesn't agree with him
Christianity is "a scam"
He is are entitled to his opinion.

Whoever wants to participate in politics can't be a real Christian.

That is what happened to the man who went to Jesus to ask:

“Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?" Luke 18:18

Note that the politician acknowledged that Jesus is GOOD but after Jesus told him what is required to gain salvation the man walked away in sadness. Luke 18:19-23

So whoever wants to participate in the world's politics must first turn his back on Jesus completely before he can do so. John 17:14

MrPresident1:
God has already marked his people for salvation and the goats, whatever their intentions are, for destruction.

God doesn't do evil He searches hearts before judging but if you don't want to know the truth it's OK.

I know you often come to my thread to drop your own comments too.

Just tell me to stay off and please try not to comment on my own thread too.

So i will teach you how to block anyone you don't want to comment on your thread.

For instance i am one of Jehovah's Witnesses so if you don't want us to knock on your door/gate just write:

"Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed"

No JW will come to you anymore since you have declared yourself but don't do so if you're not the owner of the house otherwise you may be disgraced o!

Now this is how to block people from commenting on your thread.

Click on the profile of the person you want to block then scroll down to see the block button click on the button and also the side to signal you don't want to see the person's comments again.

I will block you now!

I was a Muslim before i responded to the voice of Christ Jesus when he said:

Get out of her (the world empire of false religion) if you don't want to be judged with her! Revelation 18:4👇

MaxInDHouse:
The group name "CHRISTIANS" simply means followers/disciples of Christ but that is not the name God intended for His worshipers.
For instance people like Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Joshua, Gideon, Samson, David, Elijah until John the baptist were faithful servants of God {Hebrews 12:1} but not disciples of Christ Jesus so the group name God intended for His true worshipers must encompass all these ancient servants of God including the followers of Christ. That is why God promised that before the destruction of faithless people He will change the name worldly people gave His faithful worshipers and give them another group name. Isaiah 65:15
The group name CHRISTIANS was given to Christ followers in the first century in an ancient city called Antioch {Act 1:8} it wasn't meant to honor but to ridicule them so God didn't announce the name He wanted to call all His faithful worshipers until Jesus separates the SHEEP from the GOATS. Matthew 25:31-32
That separation work began in the year 1914 though the international Bible Students (as Jehovah's Witnesses were called back then) got a signal through the holy spirit that a remarkable events will happen that year but they thought it's going to be the end of wickedness.
So from the year 1914 Jesus began the separation work and most people who are part of the goats left the International Bible Students because the holy spirit started reshaping the group and in the year 1919 they began preaching and teaching from house to house just as first century disciples of Christ.
This they were doing until the holy spirit began directing them to do away with pagan traditions and gradually all the false teachings and traditions were dropped by the International Bible Students. If someone told you that there was a time Jehovah's Witnesses used to celebrate birthdays, Christmas, Easter and New Year will you believe?
Well that is what makes me believe that the man people thought is the founder of that group was used by Jesus because he used to celebrate all these things during his life time.
So it was after they have dropped all pagan traditions and all those who started with the supposed founder but aren't part of the sheep left the group that God through the holy spirit gave them that group name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15
Of course there are still many faithful people in false religion (Babylon the Great) so the angel flying in the midheaven is declaring "get out of false religions if you don't want to partake in the coming destruction" Revelation 18:4
So if anyone wants to be saved today let him know that Jesus is separating sheep-like people from goat-like ones and his angels and gather the sheep in God's organization just as a farmer will gather the fine fruit into his store house! Matthew 13:30
Note that i wasn't born a JW all these i come to know through my search for righteousness and humility! Zephaniah 2:2-3
May you have peace!

femi4:
I am not part of your you people. Face front with your frustrating 144000 saved Church

I never quoted you first nah!

You are the one who came quoting me and claiming you have comprehension.😂

Sirmwill:
There are people in all of these popular churches, including the Catholics,etc, that are Christians..

The group name "CHRISTIANS" simply means followers/disciples of Christ but that is not the name God intended for His worshipers.
For instance people like Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Joshua, Gideon, Samson, David, Elijah until John the baptist were faithful servants of God {Hebrews 12:1} but not disciples of Christ Jesus so the group name God intended for His true worshipers must encompass all these ancient servants of God including the followers of Christ. That is why God promised that before the destruction of faithless people He will change the name worldly people gave His faithful worshipers and give them another group name. Isaiah 65:15
The group name CHRISTIANS was given to Christ followers in the first century in an ancient city called Antioch {Act 1:8} it wasn't meant to honor but to ridicule them so God didn't announce the name He wanted to call all His faithful worshipers until Jesus separates the SHEEP from the GOATS. Matthew 25:31-32
That separation work began in the year 1914 though the international Bible Students (as Jehovah's Witnesses were called back then) got a signal through the holy spirit that a remarkable events will happen that year but they thought it's going to be the end of wickedness.
So from the year 1914 Jesus began the separation work and most people who are part of the goats left the International Bible Students because the holy spirit started reshaping the group and in the year 1919 they began preaching and teaching from house to house just as first century disciples of Christ.
This they were doing until the holy spirit began directing them to do away with pagan traditions and gradually all the false teachings and traditions were dropped by the International Bible Students. If someone told you that there was a time Jehovah's Witnesses used to celebrate birthdays, Christmas, Easter and New Year will you believe?
Well that is what makes me believe that the man people thought is the founder of that group was used by Jesus because he used to celebrate all these things during his life time.
So it was after they have dropped all pagan traditions and all those who started with the supposed founder but aren't part of the sheep left the group that God through the holy spirit gave them that group name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15
Of course there are still many faithful people in false religion (Babylon the Great) so the angel flying in the midheaven is declaring "get out of false religions if you don't want to partake in the coming destruction" Revelation 18:4
So if anyone wants to be saved today let him know that Jesus is separating sheep-like people from goat-like ones and his angels and gather the sheep in God's organization just as a farmer will gather the fine fruit into his store house! Matthew 13:30
Note that i wasn't born a JW all these i come to know through my search for righteousness and humility! Zephaniah 2:2-3
May you have peace!

Truvelisback:
The reason is simple. God gave their forefathers(Joshua and Caleb) many lands to possess but they didn't. That's why Israel is suffering today and having issues with neighboring countries over lands.

NO!
They lost everything because of their rejection of Jesus Christ!

God warned their ancestors after their release from Egypt that He will send another prophet like Moses to them {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} this prophet will complete the assignment Moses started. Moses wrote laws for them in scrolls but this prophet will write his own in their hearts {Jeremiah 31:31-33} God kept sending prophets to prepare their minds for the prophet who is to come in the manner of Moses.
So when Jesus finally arrived the Jews as a nation rejected him, and killed him that is how they lost the privilege to continue being called God's people! Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38

The only reason why God allowed the name to remain is because of King David the name "Jerusalem" will remain throughout all generations but the inhabitants are no longer God's people!🙂

femi4:
Comprehension = 0
If its by tithe, you can transfer it from the comfort of home/online. Infact, most Churches operates on cashless policy these days.

That is the major reason why most of you are running away from your churches because the extortion is too much.

This is what Jehovah the true God said:


“My servants will eat, but you will go hungry; my servants will drink, but you will go thirsty; my servants will rejoice, but you will be put to shame. My servants will sing out of the joy of their hearts, but you will cry out from anguish of heart and wail in brokenness of spirit. ‭Isaiah 65:13-14 NIV‬

Before now you people are happy to mention the names of your churches but with the way they are scamming you all of you ran away from your places of worship and now you expect true worshipers to do the same shey?

No way!

We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES we are happy and proud to say it anywhere, anytime and before anyone that we are members of the world's one and only true religion!🙂

femi4:
Jesus didnt divide the Church with "My church" thing
Not even Paul when he wrotes to the Churches. None of them is referred to as "My Church"

Guy go and pay your tithe!

That is what makes all of you run away from your pastors who are extorting money from you!😂

Most people are running away from the place of worship today because their so called "PASTORS" are extorting money from them and using their money to live flamboyant lifestyles. That is why most of them are saying they don't belong to any church but trust the true religion such is not happening among us.

So when they are pained that the group they hate so much is now bubbling with our religion they are desperately trying to tarnish the image of the one and only true religion! Isaiah 65:13-14🙂

femi4:
I dont do "This is my Church"...
Comprehension = 0

Jesus talked to different churches in the book of Revelation so if you don't belong to any church then how can you participate in what Jesus told them to work on?🙂

The promised land today is occupied by Palestinians it's just a little portion that is occupied by the Jews that they now call "ISRAEL" the twelve tribe nation has been separated after the death of king Solomon. Ten tribes stayed in the north while the remaining two stayed in the south. The land occupied by the ten tribes has been taken they are the people called Samaritans in Jesus' day.
So it's a little portion where Jerusalem falls in that is occupied by modern day Israelis!

femi4:
I don't do church

So you are a Christian without church shey?
No problem your type plenty but true Christians in the first century all belong to the church and that is where they are taught. 🙂

femi4:
JWs are not christians

Can you mention the name of your own church who are Christians?