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Ken4Christ:
I know a Pastor friend of mine who was literally caught up while praying with a friend. And for the period he was caught up, his friend just remained motionless until he came back. His friend was like a molded statue.
This experience is real.
Robert Liardon was also caught up in his full body to heaven at the age of 8 years. And he documented it in a book titled, I saw heaven.
Vision happens when you are in a particular place and your eyes open to see things.
But some people were caught up literally. They saw themselves being lifted up above the cloud into the heavens.
You will not believe because you don't have the spirit of God. An evil spirit of unbelief has taken over your life.
If you read Paul writing, he said he does not know if he was in his body or out of his body.
Paul knows the difference between being caught up and vision.
He also narrated different visions he saw.
Please, give your life to Christ and position yourself to experience the supernatural life in Christ.

Nollywood movies and lies from false religions, so Paul went to heaven before he died or it's after he died?

And after the 62 weeks, Mes·siʹah will be cut off, with nothing for himself. And the people of a leader who is coming will destroy the city and the holy place. And its end will be by the flood. And until the end there will be war; what is decided upon is desolations. Daniel 9:26

Jesus of Nazareth became the Christ the very day he was baptized by John from that day he's not the same person everyone knows in the community because he stopped carpentry and started gathering followers, preaching from house to house throughout Judea and curing all manner of sickness.
So the day he died it wasn't Jesus the carpenter that was killed rather it's the Christ doing the things Christ supposed to do in their midst and after his death Jerusalem was destroyed and till today that city never knew peace just as the prophecy says.
In fact the place where the former temple was standing is now occupied by a mosque where people bow towards a stone in Mecca just as Jesus foretold that something unholy will be standing in the holy place. Matthew 24:15

If the Romans successfully fabricate Jesus with everything written about him are they the one that also built a mosque where the former temple was standing?

MindHacker9009:
When did the word 'Crucify' replace the word "Cut Off"? And how was Jesus "Cut off"?

Try to calm down and let's reason like mature adults.
Let's assume that Jesus is not the Messiah as they are saying but the scriptures is crystal clear when it says:

And after the 62 weeks, Mes·siʹah will be cut off, with nothing for himself. And the people of a leader who is coming will destroy the city and the holy place. And its end will be by the flood. And until the end there will be war; what is decided upon is desolations. Daniel 9:26

Note that the Jews rejected Jesus and within that century the Romans came with a general to destroy Jerusalem and it's temple (the holy place) which you yourself knows very well.

So what else do they have as evidence that the young first century Jewish carpenter wasn't the Messiah?

paxonel:
rivalry between jw and Christians .

Thanks to JEHOVAH!

Now you've grouped all those you've been accusing under one umbrella:

paxonel:
But all you winners
All you Christ embassy
All you Jehovah witness
All you deeper life
All you rccg

And separated Jehovah's Witnesses from them! John 15:19

Surely you know we are no part of the world!

MindHacker9009:
You are being deceived by your organisation and the Roman empire they are working for. If not you'll notice that when God sends His Messiah it's a war of victory.

1. Moses parted the Red Sea for the victory of the Jews, Moses did not go strolling on water for 2 or 3 people to impress them.
2. Joshua won all the wars for the Jews and God was with him.
3. David won all the wars for the Jews and God was with him.
4. Samson won all the wars for the Jews and God was with him.
Where did any of the above Messiah start cursing the Jews and predicting the destruction of the Temple and then fly up into the sky for a second coming to come and wage war and have not come back for 2000 years?

But your invented messiah whose god is the pagan god of the pagan Roman empire that got a virgin pregnant without a man, decided to invent a gentle messiah for you to brainwash you and your organisation is helping them to do that today.

That's what the Jews wanted but they failed to realize that the Messiah must be cut off:

And after the 62 weeks, Mes·siʹah will be cut off, with nothing for himself. And the people of a leader who is coming will destroy the city and the holy place. And its end will be by the flood. And until the end there will be war; what is decided upon is desolations. Daniel 9:26

Please ask your Jewish friends to interpret this verse for you!

paxonel:
That's why Christians are rejecting you people.

So they're all contradicting themselves {Act 23:7-8} but they're rejecting Jehovah's Witnesses just as all first century Jewish religions were rejecting Jesus and his disciples. John 15:19

Thanks for proving that only Jehovah's Witnesses stands out!

Ken4Christ:
But Paul said he was caught up there. Are you saying that he is lying?

Cut up (in a vision) not literally!

At Jesus' last breath similar vision was seen as dead people were resurrected in the vision {Matthew 27:51-53} it doesn't mean that dead people were literally walking up and down in the city when Jesus has not called nah?
Remember that the dead in Christ will rise first so it's a vision not what happened literally!

MindHacker9009:
If your organisation has not rendered you senseless, then you'll ask yourself why your invented Jesus Christ did not curse the pagan Roman empire occupying his home land at that time?

The seven times of the gentiles {Daniel 4:25} began when Babylon sacked Jerusalemu and It's temple in the year 607 before Jesus so the times will be completed much later after Jesus so for the Jews to have revolted against Rome it was to their doom because the appointed times of the nations has not completed! Luke 21:24

When Jesus walked the earth it wasn't the time for Jews to think of gaining freedom from the oppression of pagan nations that's why he never objected to Romans dominance over Judea!

GodSaklek:
Well,i never notice that a place called nazareth is on the map,the one i know is arab city of palestinia that was called Nasran that was taken away from palestinia and given to israel by a dubious UN,may be it the one that was later rename as nazareth,but i wil start focusing my search on the city. I wil update u later

Don't be hasty to conclude on what you found strange rather ask questions from different people around you.
YES many are misinformed but that doesn't mean there is nothing like Jesus of Nazareth.

I've noticed how you ran away from me on the other thread after giving you the illustration of Peter Obi.

Surely in 500 years to come that name may not even be remembered again if he never rule as president of Nigeria but if OBEDIENTS are keeping his legacies only a fool will say the man whose legacies are kept after 500 years of his lifetime is just a myth!

MindHacker9009:
Why did your invented prince of peace decided to go and appear in Rome 300 yrs later to help a pagan Roman emperor Constantine fight and win a Roman civil war that made your invented prince of peace the official religion and allowed them to take your invented prince of peace to the rest of the world through military quarquest as you can see from those photos?
Why did your invented prince of peace not give his own people peace but allowed the Roman empire occupying Jerusalem, the Temple and Israel to defeat the Jews and take all the Jews that were spared away as slaves, but about 300 years later your invented Jesus Christ decided to help a pagan Roman emperor fight and win his own civil war in Roman.

Instead of using your brain you've allowed them to render you senseless!

Can't you read?

Go through what Jesus said and commanded then come back and prove to me how those going contrary to his orders could be his followers?

He cursed Jerusalem and it's inhabitants so it's your so called Jews who supposed to answer why their God failed to protect them after Jesus cursed Jerusalem and their temple if truly Jesus wasn't a servant of God.

That's the same way their ancestors accused Elijah after they turned against pure worship and Elijah told them that rain will not drop in Israel for three years instead of them to repent it was Elijah they were accusing.

Jesus of Nazareth has spoken and cursed are the Jews forever and ever as long as they will not accept him as the Messiah! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

GodSaklek:
U better stop decieving ursef,stop worshping all this powerless gods,especialy that satan(jehovah),its better u started worshpng ur HEAD so that u can grow ur light,beside,u are just shouting jesus of nasareth,whereas there is no place ever called nasareth in the global map,it never exist but only in ur fictional book.

Go and convince the Israelites living in Israel that Nazareth never existed.
Do you know why JEHOVAH never allowed pagan Rome to destroy Jerusalem for good?
Well it's because He want David to come back and see that He (Jehovah) has kept His promises {Isaiah 2:3} so it's you who needs to calm down and let's reason intelligently instead of jumping to conclusions after hearing lies from your white supremacists claiming atheists!

MindHacker9009:
When God Almighty is using me to enlighten you that you've been BRAINWASHED you call it black mail. You don't want to know the history of your invented messiah due to how badly you have been brainwashed.

Why did your invented prince of peace decided to go and appear in Rome 300 yrs later to help a pagan Roman emperor Constantine fight and win a Roman civil war that made your invented prince of peace the official religion and allowed them to take your invented prince of peace to the rest of the world through military quarquest as you can see from these photos?

Why did your invented prince of peace not give his own people peace but allowed the Roman empire occupying Jerusalem, the Temple and Israel to defeat the Jews and take all the Jews that were spared away as slaves, but about 300 years later your invented Jesus Christ decided to help a pagan Roman emperor fight and win his own civil war in Roman.

The stupidity is just too deep!

You keep pasting pictures of white people with their black slaves forgetting that it's your black people selling their own brothers and sisters into slavery and the same treatment they give to their own slaves who are blacks like them.

Ọmọ use your brain jọọ you can't blackmail Christianity with slavery remember Joseph was sold into slavery by his own brothers and the female boss wanted to use him as intimacy gadget if he was willing so what's your point of pasting pictures of people with their slaves?

Thanks to JEHOVAH the all wise God!
Workch has finally been silenced before me! Isaiah 54:17
So i don't expect you to ever quote or mention me again on this forum!

Workch:
All these are facts presented by the bible which most Christians choose to ignore to make their religion relevant

That's your PERSONAL OPINION not what the Bible teaches if you want to understand God's word you must ask thought provoking questions to reason with others that's the only way to gain ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE of God's word not just reading and concluding alone! Proverbs 2:3-5

Workch:
Nope, I'm convinced that God is all knowing and still created bad and evil knowing fully well that humanity will choose evil but he refused to remove evil.
I'm alps convinced that God who's all powerful and very capable of killing satan according to the Bible has chosen not to do it for some reasons.
I also know that he's blaming everyone for his inability to fix a wooed he created

So God should have created you an animal and not human so that your thinking faculty will be limited to food, mating and resting like all other animals.
This is hilarious!

paxonel:
I say it is worship place for the Jews. You say it is worship centre, what is then the difference?
is the religion of the Jews Christianity?

Jews believe they're worshipers of the same God that Jesus and his disciples are preaching but they disagree with the idea that salvation could only be through Jesus' teachings {John 14:6} they want Jesus and his disciples to tell people that both Pharisees, Sadducees and all other Jewish religions had God's approval just as you're expecting us to accept different sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines today as Christians!

paxonel:
There are many monotheistic religions that worship the same God with Christianity but they are not of the same faith with Christianity.
Examples are Judaism, Buddhiism and Islam.

The group name "CHRISTIANS" was borrowed in an ancient city known as "Antioch" {Act 11:26} that's not the name God gave his own worshipers but Christ made us understand that the name "CHRISTIANS" will serve as a trap for Satan's agents until the endtime.
How?
Immediately after Jesus' ascension Satan began attacking his disciples from all sides and who were the persecutors of this group back then? They were Jews claiming they believe in the God of Abraham who promised to send the Messiah but they just don't want Jesus as their Messiah so they were battle prepared to kill anyone saying Jesus is the Christ (Messiah)
But despite all the attacks Jesus' disciples will not surrender {Act 5:29} that's why Satan changed to plan B (if you can't beat them lead them) He began initiating numerous groups all claiming Christians but not submissive to the apostles that's what John who lived longer than all the other apostles experienced before his death! 1John 2:18-19
So don't think different religions claiming they believe in Jesus today are Christians, if they're not having the same line of thought as Jesus prayed for {John 17:22} they're not Christians! 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

paxonel:
By Jesus, Peter and Paul's standard of outreach, these Juddaists, Muslims or Buddhists need to be saved that's why Jesus and Paul went to their synagues to convert them.
Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

There's no difference between these religions you listed and different religions claiming they believe in Jesus with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines Satan is just brandishing his agents with different tags {2Corinthians 11:14} as long as they're not having the same line of thought regarding sacred service to God they're not worshipers of the same God!

paxonel:
Imagine, after all the great things these isrealites did for God in the old testament, yet they still need to be saved
But, how many times have you Jehovah witnesses even preach to Muslims about Jesus, talkless of you people going into their mosque to convert them?
There has never been any such thing.

We shouldn't enter into their place of worship because by doing so you can't have a one on one discussion with each of them, don't forget that salvation is a personal thing not conventional. Christians going to reason with Jews in the synagogues back then believe the same books (Genesis to Malachi) that's why it's reasonable to do so if you're not believing the same books you can't convince them in their place of worship unless you meet them one on one!

paxonel:
Rather you are looking for fellow Christians in catholic, winners, rccg, deeper life, Christ embassy etc to convert.
Is your outreach not a show of eye service same with that of all these churches like that?
You people have turn Christianity into a joke

If you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses you can't be a real Christian you're just carrying a tag. If you want to know what Christianity really mean then let's discuss on that but thinking different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are all Christians is a blunder!

Workch:
So tell me about the Christian God. I want to learn

The Christian God is the God of Abraham, God of Isaac and God of Jacob (Israel)
Where most Bible readers got it all wrong is the way this God dealt with haters of His plans in ancient times, many compare the way He was destroying haters of His plans back then to how He became so calm after His plans has been carried out in the New Testament.

He is JUST, WISE, LOVING, POWERFUL, CARING, MERCIFUL, PATIENT and COMPASSIONATE.

So if you're concentrating on how He dealt with haters of His plans in ancient times without asking His worshipers for reasons behind His actions back then you will surely have a totally wrong perspective of Him!