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Jerryhare:
The bolded where did you read that from in the Bible? Let me start with you from that angle You will get sense by fire by force, let's go there!

The guy knows nothing yet he brags about his stupidity.

If Jesus meant the lost tribe please why did he told his disciples not to go into Samaria?
Are Samaritans not part of Israel?
And how can his disciples search for those that are lost right within their own region?
Aren't they supposed to do so outside the boarders of Israel?

advocatejare:
Demons live inside of you for always deliberately misinterpreting the scriptures to suit your demonic cult doctrines.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.

2 John 1:10
“[bIf anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting,[/b] for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.”


The verse is talking about not receiving people bringing a different teaching from that of Christ into your home not about excommunication of your family members who decide to leave your cult

I really love the highlighted!

Please since you have relatives who aren't members of your faith do you stop your Muslim, Traditional and Agnostic relatives from coming to your house? Do you avoid them? Do you stop greeting them?

lawani:
You excommunicate for beliefs not for doing evil and that is wrong

Of course it's because of their EVIL but you only need explanations.

Before anyone study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses you can't be excommunicated after all you've not vowed to live your life in harmony with our beliefs so we greet and treat you like everyone else in the world but once you dedicate yourself to our God and vow to live for our beliefs we treat you like a member of our global family and anywhere you go on this planet you're welcome as one of our family members.

So if you now decide to turn your back on what makes you a member of our family then the bond is no longer there Paul said we must avoid you {Romans 16:17} and John said we shouldn't greet you! 2John 1:10-11

This is appropriate because we wouldn't like the story that touch for associating with someone who already knows what is good but decided to turn his/her back.

So if those excommunicated knows that our organization is evil they're supposed to be happy that devils have abandoned them not complaining because their complaints means they are missing GOOD GOOD PEOPLE!

lawani:
Because God programmed you to love yourself more is why love your neighbor as your self is invalid. You need ego to be a human

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
That's not how God created us in fact it's the other way around, we are supposed to lay down our lives in order to save our neighbours if it's the way God created us. Genesis 1:16

Remember what Adam did immediately he heard that Eve has eating from the forbidden fruit? He was prepared to die with his partner!

Whereas what he supposed to do is wait for God to see if there's any way forward to save his wife instead he was prepared to face the same consequence as long as he will die with his partner!

lawani:
The JW don't know they are practicing cultism and it is sad

I have discussed this issue with you in the past but it seems you don't understand how the application goes.

The world now calls their prison "correction centers" because they want those in charge to know that the convict is not to be cruelly dealt with but to distance him or her from the society for some time until he/she learns how to cohabit with others.

The same is what God's organization is doing we excommunicate unrepentant wrongdoers (note the word UNREPENTANT) so unlike the world that will imprison all wrongdoers we are selective because many did what is wrong under extreme measures beyond their control.

So i prefer the way God's people does things!

lawani:
You don't understand. I love myself more than other people. Not equally

Of course you can't love others equally nah but you will strive to save them if that's what you expected them to do for you in return.

That's the practical application of the rule!

lawani:
I can't love anybody like myself. Bi Ina ba gbon Jo ni to gbon Jo omo Eni ti Ara Eni la Koko gbon

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You don't understand the rule, love your neighbour like yourself is exactly what you have included in your own rule.

Would you appreciate if someone comes to your rescue after escaping from the same trouble in which you are?

Of course the one helping must have helped himself FIRST before coming to your rescue.

That's the practical application of the rule!

advocatejare:
Don’t forget that your JW cult excommunicates any member that decides to leave the cult. Why is that so?

Read the verse below:
Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them! Romans 16:17

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. 2John 1:10-11

Please answer this question:

Does the above excommunication rule from two apostles of Christ include immediate family members who turned against the faith?

lawani:
The only valid religion

If people want a religion then there can be a religion as rigid and ridiculous as it can get but with only one rule. 'Never treat a human being the way you will not like to be treated and if you see anybody breaking this rule, try your best to make them pay to thesame degree by which they erred'. This is the only valid religion. IFA is not a religion as it is not rigid and ridiculous and if you ask one question two times you will not get the same answer just as is the case with anybody using language. Any other religion following rules different from what I have stated are bad religions especially if they are threatening unbelievers with hell fire.

I agree completely with the first but i totally disagree with the second!

vdestro:
See how you prove that jw is satan controlled?
God clearly Said He wants perfect humans and here you are using the bible to lie. Exactly what Satan does!

Guy, i've always told you that your tiny brain can't phantom what is coming from me that's why you need to ask thought provoking questions so as to grasp what i'm saying.

If you say God wants perfect humans how can imperfect humans (sinners) be perfect without a counselor to teach them? Isaiah 9:6

Go, then, and learn what this means: ‘I want mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came to call, not righteous people, but sinners" Matthew 9:13

The above statement came from the mouth of Jesus the one you claim you believe.
Now is he searching for perfect humans or imperfect humans?

donbenie:
How am I sure that mankind's religion is useless?😂 Since mankind has been practicing religion,what exactly is the benefits? Apart from making you feel good about your Earthly travails,with hopes of eternal enjoyment with 72 Virgins?😏 Any wonder why religion thrives in the most deprived societies? If you claimed your own religion is the real deal, where is your proof,apart from the usual Bible quotes?
The truth remains,you cannot prove ANYTHING, apart from what your Bible says..
Whether I quoted anyone,has ZERO to do with the issue.. He who asserts must provide proof. You claimed there is a god,PROVE IT. RELIGION is Faith based and THAT means you haven't proven it and that's why you have faith,that whatever you claimed is the truth.. Well I don't need to have FAITH in some fairy tales, provide proof and we can talk..

Please the highlighted is a diversion so let's stay on course. I have promised you that i won't quote any book but COMMON SENSE!

What is the usefulness of RELIGION?

Mankind need a standard to help us leave as a family. We are free moral agents so each of us has the right to do whatever he likes with his or her own body within his or her domain but when dealing with someone else we need a form of standard that will help us to cohabit peacefully, this is impossible without religion because with religion we will all agree on dos and donts so whenever anyone goes against the standard we will all join hands together to correct him or her. But when there's nothing like religion binding us all under the same line of thought then there will be chaos everywhere and the end result will be wars.
Instead of using our brains to think of how to improve in agriculture through technology it's destructive devices we will use most of our time, energy and resources to amass.

Today the one and only true religion has stand out as millions across the globe are coming to agree with the one and only true God that He was right to have suggested religion as a means to world peace.

So if you're seeing people claiming religionists today getting involved in politics, racism and wars know that they're practicing FALSE RELIGIONS!

lawani:
You have a point because people who do right against all odds are also practicing a sort of religion but presently you can't use the same word to describe Christianity/Islam and other theologies that are non invasive because if you do that you will never be able to separate the wheat from the chaff. You will be confusing yourself unwittingly while allowing those dangerous theologies to fester. That is the issue

The true religion is not about imperfect humans but a program on it's own that God planned to use as a means of rescuing good people so if you're looking at man's mistakes you can't find the true religion because those practicing true religion are also imperfect so they too do commit blunders at times.

The separation of the wheat and the chaff is ongoing presently, God's angels are doing the work with faithful humans who responded to the call to support the angels by speaking with their neighbours {Malachi 3:16} so if you're a good person it's not just by justifying yourself but partaking in the ongoing work to gather faithful people as God planned {Matthew 28:19-20} before destroying the wicked people! Psalms 37:9-11 compare to Proverbs 2:20-22 and Luke 19:27

Christianity is the one and only true religion but Satan is really intelligent he initiated many of his own agents {Matthew 13:25} they are also claiming Christians {2Corinthians 11:14} but God is wiser than Satan, He allowed for 2,000 years to pass so that Satan's agents have formed different religious sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines yet all claiming Christians before God began calling His own worshipers by another group name {Isaiah 65:15} that is the name God wanted all His worshipers from Abel till today to be called: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

Though you will notice the blunders of imperfect humans in their midst but Jesus has led them to the stream of living waters that's why POLITICS or RACISM has no hold on them so when all other religionists are blindfolded by Satan's veil {2Corinthians 4:4} to slaughter one another due to politics and racism {Revelations 6:3-4} the true religion have love among themselves {John 13:34-35} as Jesus has helped them to settle their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert all their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making buying selling and usage of weapons and vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4

What else do you expect from true RELIGION?

If there's any that can help to bring people with different backgrounds, status, languages, works of life from all tribes of the earth under one umbrella to fulfil that! Isaiah 2:2

Cybertroll:
Humans shouldn't need to teach God a lesson on Justice and Mortality...

Cybertroll:
including murder?
Sounds like he's s dictator.

When reading a book try to see matters from the viewpoints of it's Author, according to the Bible the three angels were going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah {Genesis 18:2} but the one speaking with Abraham is Jesus in his prehuman life as a spirit son of God he always represent God anytime God's presence is needed. READ Exodus 13:21 compare to 14:19
There are angels given the power to see all the things happening on the surface of the earth {Ezekiel 10:12} they're the ones reporting the events happening to God so God Himself is not seeing it directly because most of the things happening after mankind's fall in the garden of Eden saddens Him a lot {Genesis 6:6} and He can't continue watching such bad things! Habakkuk 1:13
So Jesus who is his father's image {Colossians 1:15} was sent to lead the two destructive angels to verify the reports before destroying the two cities that's why you read later that only two angels (not three) were noticed in the cities {Genesis 19:1} because Jesus has dematerialized his own visible body to see how the two angels will be treated by the inhabitants of the city.

As for Lot and his family they were rescued not because of Abraham's intervention because Abraham's bargain ended at 10 persons thinking that Lot and his household should be up to ten in number and since they're both faithful men Lot will prove to be different.
So it was Lot's hospitality towards the angels that saved him and his daughters! Hebrews 13:2

bobestman:
Just look at this blind fool. Do you even know you are mocking yourself? If they are true Hebrews they will know what is in their scripture. It is definitely not a "j". Your brainwashing has gone deep into your brain. You can never agree that you are in error

As imperfect humans nobody is immune to error but before something could be corrected it must start from the one laying complaints you can't say something is wrong yet that's the same thing you're doing because charity they say begins at home.
Guy you're not Hebrew neither are you a Jew so instead of coming here to play the madman's stuff why not allow the real inhabitants of the city take the lead in calling their city by its original name?

tundein18:
Do you really not know who wrote it?

No i don't because it's not just the writing that's my problem but when i'm studying any write-up or book i try to see things from the viewpoints of the author, unlike the Bible's author the Quran only speaks about it's author's right to do whatever it likes whether good or evil but the Bible's author shows that he is not unreasonable even though he's the Almighty so there are principles guiding his actions. With that i can say i know and i can vouch for the Bible's author but as for the author of the Quran perhaps if you can enlighten me regarding his aims, objectives and purpose for authoring the book!

bobestman:
When your ignorance is exposed, you become humble. What year did David leave this earth? Which language did they speak then? When did the English ppl brought their language? When did the letter "J" joined the alphabets? If you can answer the questions, you already know that you are wrong. You guys are reading Vatican account of a Hebrew script. They hate the Hebrews. Your enemies can't tell your true stories. Many things were written to control fools like you. I can tell you many things in your bible that were hidden from you. I know the god game and how they control many of you but you guys think you are wise not knowing you are blind, brainwashed and decieved

Ọmọ tell the so called "JEWS" to stop calling that city "JERUSALEM" after all there was no "J" in there alphabet so why calling David's city by the word "J"?

zangaozanga:
that's a very big lie,the foundation of most religion is fear and reward,remove both and religion will die a natural death

Because most of you don't know the purpose of religion. The true religion is about a global family of peace loving people where love is the main goal among worshipers who must treat themselves like brothers and sisters.
The true religion must serve as a refuge from man-made disasters like wars fueled by racism and politics so that adherents of true religion won't be lured into hating others in the face of politics and racism.
That's what religion supposed to do but since false religions are everywhere most of you that have not come across true religion feel there's no true religion.

You can liken true religion to FIRE while false religion is like it's SMOKE, FIRE could serve as light in the dark, heat for cooking your food and warming your body in times of cold but the SMOKE can't do any of these yet whenever you see the SMOKE you can't say there's no FIRE close by.

So just as there can't be SMOKE without FIRE there can never be false religions everywhere without the original somewhere all you need to figure out:
Where is the FIRE? True religion!

zangaozanga:
religous people don't understand that,remove the threat of hell fire and the reward of heaven and see how many of them will still love their GOD

Ironically there are millions of people that are not scared of Hellfire threat nor reward of going to heaven and they're the most zealous preachers talking about their God everyday!

MindHacker9009:
Invented wonderful counselor that has nothing to do with the Old Testament.
You mean authority for people following your invented Jesus Christ,

So you have nothing to do with that book yet you're always here arguing, shey?

MindHacker9009:
Shame of you as you are helping your SCAM organisation to make zombies of your own brothers and sisters with your invented Jesus Christ.

If the Jews were to preach Judaism to third world countries the Jews will not leave them in the shithole you are in, the Jews fear God Almighty and will not pump an invented messiah into your head and leave people in a shithole country rather the Jews will make sure they develop these countries to their own standard.

Shame on you, your organisation and the top leaders are enjoying themselves in the USA but pumping the fake messiah into your head and you too are helping them to pump the same shit into the heads of your sisters and brothers.

Just quote a single verse where any prophet in the Hebrew-Aramaic scriptures ordered the Israelites to go and preach to their neighbours or gentiles!

Here is what Jesus commanded his disciples:

Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things" Matthew 28:18-20

The Wonderful Counselor has spoken! Isaiah 9:6

donbenie:
I'm myopic, because I don't believe in your own version of some Heavenly Grandpa?😂
Religion has NO usefulness..
The only thing religion has done for mankind is to drag it back.
Show me the most religious societies on Earth and I will show the most backward and low IQ set of 1mbeciles..

Ọmọ calm down and let's reason!

You would have noticed that i'm not the usual religionists you often come across because instead of quoting any book for you i'm talking using COMMON SENSE that you can't refute other than dragging the matter towards books expecting me to quote books like the usual religionists!

In this our discussion you're the one to quote someone else instead of using your own sense here but you may not even know that you've quoted someone else so once again i will help you!

Remember the artistic impression you posted when you mentioned me?
Certainly it's not your innovation rather someone used it to tell you that you can't just pick one out of countless religions around the world so it's all scam. That's how easy it is when you're quoting someone else instead of speaking from your own originality!

So back to our discussion.

How are you so sure that what mankind has been practicing (RELIGION) for thousands of years is useless yet they've not stopped it?

What makes you feel this is the only FAKE thing in the world without it's ORIGINAL anywhere?

donbenie:
Research?
Which research?
You mean,the fairy tales in your Bible?
Like a man living to 900 years and someone walking on water?🤦
Some research..😂
Ogbeni,you are entitled to your beliefs..
But make no mistake,there's nothing special about it..
Just one among thousands of other beliefs..

You're so myopic that you've allowed others to lock you up in a box instead of using your own brains to reason!

OK i will help you:

There are thousands of religions around you but you are confused as to why they are just contradicting themselves, shey?

Why not start your research from:
"What is the usefulness of RELIGION?"

At least if you're seeing something everyday as many around you are doing it any intelligent person supposed to ask the above question and from there you begin your research.

Only a fool will see SMOKE and dismiss the idea that FIRE is close by!

bobestman:
The real name and what those ppl call is not Jerusalem. It was changed 500 yrs ago when the letter "J" was added

So you agreed that the name David called that city isn't "JERUSALEM" so until they start using the original tongue of calling that once Holy city ọmọ nothing for you!

tundein18:
Do you believe in the quran?

Who wrote the book?

Most of you often think your smart but others are still telling you how to use your brain cells!

FIRE is very very useful, when you're in the dark fire brings light, when it's time to cook or you're feeling cold fire supplies the heat so if you know the usefulness of fire you won't just dismiss the idea that it's close to you simply because you've seen how it consumes thus you feel it's useless.

First of all you need to find out what is the usefulness of RELIGION?

If you don't know it's usefulness then of what importance will it sound to you?

So just like fire religion has a role to play in the life of intelligent beings it's only when you know that role you will value it!

donbenie:
YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL..😂

I know with the illustration you got the message so if you want to know the true religion all you need is THOROUGH RESEARCH because as i said earlier the SMOKE may come from different angle but the REAL FIRE is there.

So you can't dismiss that fire burning when you see smoke all around you!

tundein18:
They both might be but the trinity is greater

OK go and tell your trinity people to respect your Isese as for me and my household it's only JEHOVAH the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob we know! Joshua 24:15

Davidtalo121:
Agonists are still cool to me though. I love them and i wish there's more of them

Since you wish there are more agnostics around you start your own ministry preaching and teaching in your neighbourhood how people can become agnostics!

tundein18:
The trinity is the truth

So between your Isese and trinity which one is the REAL truth?

tundein18:
Isese is not idolatry or demon worship. If you don’t believe in it then fine but stop insulting the beliefs. Orishas are not demons

Suky01:
How can a new born baby be disobedient. please enlighting me

All creatures are from the dust and so they must return to dust but as for humans they will be preserved because they're created in God image. The only means to sustain human life is by taking instructions from God {Deuteronomy 8:3; Matthew 4:4} that's why God instructed the Israelites to inculcate God's word in the hearts of their children {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} once they're able to learn so that by speaking about God {Malachi 3:16} such a child has gotten his or her name written in the book of life {Revelations 20:15} but if the child has not been able to live up to that then it has not developed any form of devotion so just like all other creatures it goes into oblivion! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

tundein18:
“Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa God sent Jesus as the lamb to be slaughtered for our sin {John 1:29; Revelations 7:17} but it's the mockery and ill-treatment that Jews who supposed to be first to gain from the sacrifice that's annoying.

Had it been the Jews accepted Jesus the Romans will still execute him because by the time his disciples began preaching zealously and industriously teaching throughout all the terrorists most Romans will see reasons to have faith in the God of the Jews and instead of hating them it will be the opposite.

That's what happened in Russia 6 years ago, Vladimir Putin (Russian President) was planning to invade Ukraine but Jehovah's Witnesses are zealously preaching peace with our neighbours so how is he going to make the Russians hate Ukrainians to the point of invading their territories with the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses?

So he launched a nationwide campaign against Jehovah's Witnesses labelling them as "EXTREMISTS" then begin arresting and imprisoning them until years later when he has succeeded in banning the activities of this peace makers before he began invading Ukraine.

For your information both counties are speaking the same native language yet the war is terrible because Vladimir Putin has stopped the preachers of love for neighbours {Mark 12:31} today all the religions in Russia and Ukraine are involved except Jehovah's Witnesses, so instead of thinking of how to support Russia or Ukraine our brothers are striving to rescue our brothers and sisters in both counties.

That's what would have happened is Jews accepted Jesus, it would have happened anyway but then it will take another way.