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donbenie:
Lol..
@MaxInDHouse ,come and carry your blother..
You see the very reason I think religion is a Joke.. This Fanatic has done nothing but throw tantrums and now I'm the living , breathing Devil..😂

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Both of you are my NEIGHBOURS the only brothers and sisters i have are Jehovah's Witnesses!

lawani:
JW say a few people will go to heaven and the rest will live on Earth forever while those who don't believe will cease to exist. Isn't it?. It is still the same issue of eating up people's minds with irrational and harmful ideologies. What proof do they have for such an outlandish claim?.

Logically if you're the ruler of a city and you tell your citizens how to make peace work among themselves but some ignored your words as they continue to cause chaos in your domain what will you do to such ones?

Any right thinking person will evict them from his domain that's the one and only logical thing to do!

lawani:
Christians and Muslims are the only humans who do this thing. On tv, internet, newspapers and in public places. How I wish you can see my point.

I told you the group of worshipers who don't threaten anyone with Hellfire you say they're CULT simply because there's a punishment for wrongdoing in fact you're just deceiving yourself!

donbenie:
I asked you to give me ONE instance,of religious adherents eradicating politics and racism and so far you have failed to do so..

Please i'm really really sorry I never got your request.

The one and only true religion that has successfully eradicated politics and racism and war in their midst is Jehovah's Witnesses in fact there is no single soldier or police in our midst anyone having to do with weapon work or politics is a crime in our midst and we have members throughout the world!

Emusan:
Out of context
Without excommunication does that mean Isa 2:2-4 won't be fulfilled?
That's the point!

Someone said without boiling the water you can't make Ẹ̀bà you say he is wrong but the one and only ẹ̀bá was prepared through boiled water there's no need for further argument nah all you should do is present any ẹ̀bà that was prepared with cold water.

Simple as ABC!

Emusan:
Was that the point?

The bone of contention is about religion and i told the OP that there is true and false religion so if God's word mentioned what is expected of the one and only true religion and you can see it written in your own copy of the Bible it's left to you because Jesus said by the FRUITS of each religion you will know where they belong {Matthew 7:16-18} so if Jehovah's Witnesses are fulfilling what is written in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 but you want to argue about their mode of operations then i don't get your point o!

Emusan:
So without excommunication Isa 2:2-4 won't be fulfilled

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Oya present any other group apart from Jehovah's Witnesses that has fulfilled it nah!

donbenie:
Like I said..
By your fruit,you shall be judged.. You can't claim perfection,when many of your adherents are among the worst examples of humanity..
Religion is not some ephemeral state.. It is supposed to be a concrete and tangible lifestyle,to be witnessed,observed and appreciated by all.. True religion doesn't enforce it's standard on others? Well,all religions have attempted to enforce it's standard on individuals.. It's is happening every day.. Like I said, don't expect me to swallow every thing written by some primitive cave dwelling goatherders,that don't know any better.. Talking donkey, walking on water, splitting the sea, getting swallowed by some fish, turning water into wine, living to 900 years.. A Virgin impregnated by some randy spirit? Waking up from a 3 day death? Some old man and his family somehow building a ship, that can accommodate the whole species of animals on earth.. This is the type of truth you want me to swallow?😂

I have told you to leave the UNCOMMON thing and let's deliberate on the COMMON because the uncommon only makes sense when it's working out benefits until then it will not make any sense.
So true religion has helped the adherents to eradicate politics and racism which is the cause of war!

Emusan:
You don't need to tell me Oga Ade
@underlined is the key.
That's why I'm telling you is a wrong interpretation but only if you can remove that lens of man made doctrines then you'll be able to detect it.

WRONG by your own opinion but that's what has helped us to fulfil what God promised in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4

donbenie:
False religion like Smoke?
By their fruits ,they shall be judged..
Every possible religion you can mention, stinks up humanity.. Including your Christianity.. And you want to talk about smoke? Ogbeni,the last time Europe allowed religion to rule their polity,they named it the DARK AGES.. And pray,tell us that Utopian Society that erased politics for religion and everywhere was Paradise? Oh,let me guess,it's right there in your Holy Book?😂

Ọmọ true religion doesn't enforce the standard on anyone individuals willingly subject themselves to live by the standard so don't think it's what happened in Europe where they were forcing people to abide by their rules!

Default mode!

advocatejare:
you’re ashamed of talking about the founder of your cult?

Can you tell how he got divorced? Is that the teaching of your cult?

What kind of mental cruelty did he subject his wife to?

Emusan:
That's your cup of tea and you couldn't do the same but asking me to do that for you.
You should have quoted it hundred time to show where excommunication or DISFELLOWSHIP appears to proof your point.
But as it stands, I've quoted those verses you cited without you telling me to do.

It's OK hold on to the form of punishment your church agreed upon in case of wrongdoers we will DISFELLOWSHIP (EXCOMMUNICATE) that's our own interpretation of what Paul and John penned down!

Emusan:
I've done that on this same thread.
How will you see them them when you're just arguing blindly without reading post?

Ọmọ if Its my New World Translation i will quote the same verse a hundred times if asked to do so for emphasis sake but i can understand you as usual!

Emusan:
Were you sleeping when you quoted this POST?

Quote what Paul and John penned down word for word!

advocatejare:
Oh, you’re ashamed of talking about the founder of your cult? Can you tell how he got divorced? Is that the teaching of your cult?
What kind of mental cruelty did he subject his wife to?

Ọ̀rọ̀ ti pa èsì jẹ!

When it's time to argue with another religion (Muslims) they will start quoting verses upon verses in support of their own religion now the OP accused both religion and they can't speak up instead they're looking for someone to blame for their failure to defend their faith.


In CHRISTIANITY there is EXCOMMUNICATION (DISFELLOWSHIP) that's the one and only form of punishment for unrepentant wrongdoers tell the OP how your religion punish wrongdoers!

Emusan:
The one I quoted below in my post is from which book?
You cited 2 John 1:10-11 and I quoted it for you to see. You can clearly see "NOT TEACHING THE TRUTH ABOUT JESUS" and not excommunication you JWs practices today.
Read Bible once for yourself and stop following man made doctrines.

QUOTE! QUOTE!! QUOTE!!!
What is written in the verse we are discussing!

advocatejare:
Oh, you’re ashamed of talking about the founder of your cult?

Can you tell how he got divorced? Is that the teaching of your cult?

What kind of mental cruelty did he subject his wife to?

Change of subject!

advocatejare:
Can you tell us the failed prophecy about rapture in 1878 that Russell the false prophet gave?

Change of subject!

When you have nothing to say in defense of your faith you start looking for a cover, i'm not covering for you, defend your faith before the OP who said "CHRISTIANITY" the religion you've been claiming all these while arguing with Muslims is not a cult group, that is if truly you're a Christian!

Emusan:
1. Avoid their teaching says Paul.
2. Don't greet or welcome their TEACHINGS says John.

Please quote from any version of your choice because in my own version Paul and John didn't say their teaching but THEM!

advocatejare:
Oh, you’re ashamed of talking about the founder of your cult? Can you tell how he got divorced? Is that the teaching of your cult? What kind of mental cruelty did he subject his wife to?

OP said
"RELIGIONS ARE CULT GROUPS"
I'm here to prove that Christianity as a religion is not a cult because Jesus already told us that critics will call us CULTISTS for sticking to his teachings.

“A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household?" Matthew 10:24-25

So we are ever ready to explain why we must stick to what they're seeing that's making them to accuse us for the benefit of interested followers. You can speak up for your own religion because the OP purposely mentioned "CHRISTIANITY" saying it's a cult.

I'm defending my faith in Christ Jesus as a Christian speak up for your faith if truly you're a Christian! Matthew 10:33

advocatejare:
Let’s talk about what your brain power can carry. Tell me about Charles Taze Russell, how he formed JW cult

Change of subject!

Emusan:
You're still wrongly interpreting that John messages and you can't force your own ruling on God's word. You don't know more than who inspired John and Paul not to use the word EXCOMMUNICATION OR DISFELLOWSHIP Those messages are so straight forward "don't welcome their "TEACHINGS"" not what you JWs are doing today.

Paul say "AVOID THEM"
John say "DON'T GREET, DON'T EAT, DON'T WELCOME THEM"

You're free to practice whatever your religion say but from my own opinion what Paul and John meant is EXCOMMUNICATION!

advocatejare:
When you have done what I asked you to do you can mention me. For now, your brain power is too low to handle some discussions. You’re best suited for the nonsense they teach you in your occultic hall.

You're not yet ready to talk!

advocatejare:
You lack mental capacity to understand the answer to your own questions. Go and develop yourself mentally. I’m not the one that will help you achieve what you failed to achieve in your formative years

Ó ṣì ń rìn ẹ́ ní kòì tíì já ẹ jẹ!

advocatejare:
I’m not the one that will teach you comprehension. Go back to elementary school

You're not ready to talk!

Emusan:
There's nothing excommunication rule from those verses it's just another man made doctrine. Those two verses is talking about avoiding/stay away from their TEACHINGS l.
Compare what those verses are saying to what your organisation is doing today objectively you'll see the clear picture.

EXCOMMUNICATION (DISFELLOWSHIP) is the one and only punishment amongst first century Christians that's because anyone who goes against tenets has turned his or her back on the faith {1John 2:19} that's why apostle John said true Christians shouldn't allow such ones in their homes neither eat with them nor even greet them! 2John 1:10-11

donbenie:
Religion as a means to World Peace?
That's the joke of the Millennium.. Religion and World Peace are perpetually parallel.. More Wars have been fought and are still being fought, because of religion.. Strive, mayhem and mass murders are the hallmark of religion.. In Nigeria, religion has torn the country asunder.. In many States in Nigeria, you can't aspire to certain positions if you are not from the main religious sect.. The Christianity you are claiming to be the one true religion.. In Anambra and the SE today,if you are not a Roman Catholic you cannot be the Governor.. Brothers are now being torn apart because of different Christian sects..
Families are being scattered because of contrived prophecies. Remove religion from Nigeria TODAY and the biggest point of strive would be gone. We carry religion for head and yet the country is among the worst in human advancements and relationships..

This is why i told you that there are FALSE RELIGIONS like the SMOKE but the real FIRE is somewhere close to you.
How would you like to know that the TRUE RELIGION has erased politics, racism and wars in the hearts of millions of her adherents today?

Jerryhare:
The guy is very stupid, I laugh at his stupidity for failing to provide evidence

Before he used to say the truth has not been revealed, later he said he knows what has not been revealed, and now he admits i know that truth.

Jesus wasn't talking about the lost tribe rather he said:
"lost sheep of the house of Israel" Matthew 10:6
Which means~
LOST: Faithful Israelites practicing Judaism (a religion mixed with Babylonian mythology) so they're to speak consolingly to them and tell them that the Christ (Messiah) is around so all the promises God made to them are close by! Matthew 10:7

SHEEP: Humble and obedient Israelites who are hungry and thirsty for righteousness that has been lost in the standard Moses and all the prophets preached among them only to be replaced by Judaism that's delusional! Matthew 5:6

HOUSE of ISRAEL: They want to be with other faithful Israelites {Psalms 133:1} unitedly worshiping with one line of thought {John 17:22} not in diversity like Judaists with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines coming from Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and many other sects all claiming worshipers of the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses!

These are the ones Jesus' disciples are to fish out among the Jews! Matthew 4:9

bobestman:
Lol. It obvious you have nothing again cos you know the truth yourself. So go and rest

So if i already know the truth how come you said it has not been revealed?

advocatejare:
I don’t.

But why do JW cult do that to their family members that leave their cult ?

What do you mean by the highlighted?

Are you saying you don't have any relation that is not of the same faith with you?

bobestman:
You are not perfect but always lift your shoulder high here teaching errors. What have i taught you about the Jew-wish Isreal-is. Isreal wannabes Rev 2:9;3:9? I am a seed of the ancient ones Isaiah 44:7 otherwise called Hebrews. Your true teachers John 4:22. And it is not by faith or believe like you ppl foolishly believe the account of the Vatican about what happened 3000 yrs ago. It is by blood! You are still not paying attention. The ppl have the original name in their tongue.

Let them start calling JERUSALEM without "J" that's all!