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MightySparrow:
Including GB?

The GB aren't operating a human government because their subjects willingly chose to submit themselves to the command the leader of their organization (Jesus Christ) laid down {Matthew 28:18-20} so unlike human governments where subjects are forced to obey rules God's organization today PREACH (PLEAD) with the subjects of God's Kingdom to reason with God's standards! Isaiah 1:18

When anyone rebel against the GB he or she will be excommunicated as punishment but if anyone rebels against human governments such a person will be killed (not even imprisoned)

Members of God's Kingdom arrangement don't force anyone to abide by the standards but human governments have law enforcement agents carrying weapons to force their laws on the people whether they like it or not.

Human governments are supposed to be chosen or elected y their subjects according to their system of government called "DEMOCRACY" but GB are selected by the spirit of our God, so while humans always think of changing their rulers periodically God's own chosen ones are permanent until they complete their earthly mission to join their brother and King Christ Jesus in heaven.

Human governments create barriers or boarders separating their subjects using tribe or geographical location. But God's organization instill in the minds of their subjects that they're all brothers and sisters so when human governments use their subjects as tools to fight for position GB protects their subjects teaching them to avoid killing or being killed.

jaephoenix:
Who created that tree, gave it luscious fruits, placed it in the middle of the garden where Adam would be admiring it?
And of course he created Adam(with all these frailties you listed) knowing he'll fail, and still kept that tree near him.
Tell me who's to blame?
A. Adam?
B. Jaephoenix
C. Ichuka
D. Yahweh

It's not a literal fruit but choice either to live and let live or enforce his opinion on others as their ruler setting standards for right and wrong.

That's what it means and only God supposed to set standards so different fruits in the garden refers to whatever Adam will like to do but the fruit of good and evil means setting standards as ruler over other humans!

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the one and only group practicing Christianity!

IrepChrist:
Maybe God is not interested in the enttity called Nigeria.

He cared for all mankind but detests human government!

ErnestNc:
Jehovah's Witnesses put it in record that Jesus came in 1914 with no biblical proof or social proof!

Before i exit your thread i must leave behind a memorable comment that will continue to ring in the minds of all honest hearted and sincere followers of this particular thread.
It's obvious you're now confused after reading my responses because you've been silenced just as our God promised us regarding whoever asked for the reason of the hope we have. Isaiah 54:17

Please open your Bible to the book of Revelation chapters 6 and start reading from verse 1&2:
There it was revealed that a spirit king began a conquest he was clothed in white linen riding a white horse and on his head a crown with a bow in his hand as he's riding and conquering.

@ verses 3&4:
Another spirit followed him instantly but this one is riding a scarlet red horse and a big sword was in his hand to take away peace from the earth.

@ verses 5&6:
Another spirit followed him instantly and this one looks skinny and hungry is carrying a scale in his hand shouting food is costly but don't let it affect alcoholic beverages and beauty products.

@ verses 7&8:
Another spirit followed but this one is riding with all manners of sicknesses with death and grave is closely following.

If you need further explanation don't hesitate to ask me or feel free to approach any member of Jehovah's Witnesses in your neighbourhood to TEACH you.

One thing that's clear with this revelation is that the mighty spirit riding on white horse is Christ Jesus as he began the final gathering of his earthly subjects globally separating weath from weeds {Matthew 13:30} sheep from goats {Matthew 25:34-46} you may disagree but that's the Lord Jesus Christ.

So one thing left to figure out now is the time (year) this mighty spirit king came to the earth and all others started following him but if you will ask me i will confidently say it's the year 1914 because that's the year a global family of peace loving worshipers began surfacing in the name of "Jehovah's Witnesses" and they are going throughout the earth making disciples and teaching them to observe all what Jesus of Nazareth commanded {Matthew 28:18-20} and they have settled their disparities among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against their fellowman! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3
You may attribute all these fine WORKS of FAITH {James 2:18-26} to Satan after all that's how faithless Jews in the first century did to Jesus and his faithful disciples {Matthew 10:25} just know that blasphemy against humans like you and i will be forgiven but blasphemy against the spirit of God working out what is fine will never be forgiven! Matthew 12:31-32


Farewell!

Emusan:
Then show me from the Bible where Jesus make that statement.

Show you what?

Emusan:
Liar! Jesus was talking about HIS PRESENCE
Very bold in that Matt 24:27
I've highlighted the major part.
So it was "His PRESENCE"

Just as the Jews in the first century called Jesus and his disciples liars for applying the prophesies to their activities!

Emusan:
Is 1914 about Jesus PRESENCE or not?
Let's see who is lying
Jws lied that Jesus has come or His Presence has happened in 1914 but what that verses were saying is that His Presence won't be anything of dark but open to everyone to confirm in which nobody will deny it.

Of course all the evidences of his presence is a global phenomenon not only noticed in a part of the planet nah!

Emusan:
You have been scammed by Watchtower.

Just as Jews in the first century always tell Jesus' disciples that the young Nazarene has scammed them!

The true God is not interested in human government be it democracy or any other system of government!

bobestman:
LOL. As they are not in the land of Isreal they should worship with your ignorant Jw right? Isreal was carried away many times. Whenever they realised their mistakes and cry to their maker even in captivity he sends them a helper and they are restored. Daniel served his Creator even in captivity. So God is not worshipped or his laws obeyed only in the land of Isreal. If you claim to know the God of Isreal then follow his WAYS. You ppl are ignorant that you accept only how Jw's explained things to you. You never use your brain that is why you are brainwashed

Mumu!

Why must they return to the land if they can equally worship him anywhere they are?

Emusan:
[1]Did Watchtower claim that Jesus has come in 1914?
[2]Did Jesus Himself warn people about being deceived about His second coming?
[3]Does Matt 24:26-27 clearly state what will happen at Jesus second coming?
Keep dodging that verse and pretending you don't see it

[1] YES! Just as Jesus' disciples also claimed that the Messiah God promised has come in the first century.

[2] NO! Jesus was talking about people deceiving others about meeting him physically.

[3] NO! You got it wrong!
This is what Jesus said:

"Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence of the Son of man will be" Matthew 24:26-27

His true disciples (Jehovah's Witnesses) never invited anyone to come or go and meet Jesus anywhere unlike your church people always do on TV and Radio stations!

Emusan:
Now I'm misconstruing the whole thing when Matt 24:26-27 were written in plain English.

Again!

When lies have no more covers

From NWT mouth "25 Look! I(Jesus) have forewarned you(MaxInHouse/JWs). 26 Therefore, if people(Watchtower) say to you(MaxInDHouse/JWs), ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it, (or He has come in the year 1914, it's a lie) 27 For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence* of the Son of man will be."

Unlike your church people can you present a publication of JWs where it's written that people should come or go to a place where they will meet Jesus?

Emusan:
When lies have no more covers
From NWT mouth "25 Look! I(Jesus) have forewarned you(MaxInHouse/JWs). 26 Therefore, if people(Watchtower) say to you(MaxInDHouse/JWs), ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it, (or He has come in the year 1914, it's a lie) 27 For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence* of the Son of man will be."

You're really misconstruing the whole thing!

Jesus returned as a mighty spirit being so JWs never told you to come and meet him anywhere unlike your church people who always advertise on TV and radio stations that people should come and meet Jesus at a venue.

What JWs are saying is that all what Jesus said about his presence are undergoing fulfilment (not that anyone should come and meet him anywhere) because he is an invisible spirit being!

Emusan:
Who is talking about the end of wickedness?
Jws says Jesus second coming has happened since 1914 true or false? I can see how you stylishly boycotted that Matt 24:26-27 So was Matt 24:26-27 about second coming or final judgement?

It's what has been fulfilling since 1914 that pointed to the fact that Jesus has returned just as what happened in the first century helped Jesus' disciples to know that the young man from Nazareth is the Christ!

Emusan:
So why did JWs pointed to a DATE when Bible didn't give any date?

Please quote any publication of JWs where a date is mentioned that wickedness will end!

Mikel99:
Today's world is full of all kinds of evil. Evil people do evil without facing any consequences whatsoever. They also ask for God's mercy which He dispenses almost instantly on them. Some even ask for more blessings, they are given. Good people ask for God's favour and mercy, they are delayed and sometimes not given. As it is , I don't think this is just and fair. Good people should get what they deserve and bad people should have their portion too. It looks as if God is indifferent or does not care about us one bit. If He truly does as He says in His Books, there's no ways He will sit down idly on His Throne and do nothing about the evil occuring every day in the world.
Tell me, what is God's justice all about?

If you're a ruler whose opposer is anticipating overthrow so as to end your reign, who will you favour, those supporting your tenor or the supporter of your enemy?

After the fall of man in the garden of Eden God allowed Satan to rule over mankind so Adam's descendants can taste Satan's rulership to the full.

So God's servants have to struggle to survive under Satan's system while Satan keeps his own agents and sharing all the goodies his system can offer.

If you know what God's Kingdom has in stock for believers you will pity faithless people!

jaephoenix:
What do you understand by 'Creating evil? '
Use your brain and think

Creating evil simply means creating what can cause harm!

Emusan:
You can keep changing mouth.
Only the Father knows the second coming, if the second coming is about CLAIM Jesus would have said so.

Jesus' second coming differs from God's day of judgement when all evildoers will be executed, that's what you need to understand.
Jesus' second coming will be marked by the signs he narrated in the Bible book of Matthew 24:7-14
He will arrange for the final gathering of his sheep separating the sheep from goats, weeds from weath before the day to exterminate all unbelievers. So his coming differs from the day he will strike to destroy all those opposing his government! Luke 19:27

Emusan:
But I just like the way you accepted that it was A CLAIM by JWs so any other thing you say, is just your delusion. So far so good, 1914 isn't Biblical if it is just point to the verse

Jesus' first century Jewish disciples can't point to anywhere in the Bible that this is the date the Messiah will be born, it's just the fulfilment of prophecies they rely on to prove that Jesus is the Messiah not date Sir!

Emusan:
You're shifting it to Jews
You said Jesus disciples claimed it...
Lying liar JWs!

Why not go to Israel today and hear from those faithless miscreants like yourself?

To them Jesus' disciples only claimed that their leader is the Messiah, resurrected after execution and returned to heaven.
They don't believe any of these things just as you too don't want to reason with what his modern day disciples (JWs) are saying about him even though you can see everything they said working out perfectly in their midst!

jaephoenix:
Isaiah 45:7 ►
King James Bible
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things

Why not ask for the explanation?

Well you're an atheist so for the benefit of others who wants to know, God is telling His servants to be courageous because no matter the evil bad people scheme it's not beyond what He created so He has the power to undo it all.
Take for instance Nebuchadnezzar through God's servants into a burning furnace after heating it seven times only for the Creator of fire to change the gases and turn it to air-conditioner for Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego.
Again God's enemies threw Daniel into the lions den only for the Creator to turn lions into domestic pets for His faithful friend.

So He created the good and evil simply means He has the power to change what we know as evil (destructive) like fire to good (air-conditioner)

May you have PEACE!

schoolboymatt:
omniscience was the word I was looking for, sorry. by saying God was not aware, don't you think it contradicts God's omniscience nature. God is all knowing.
One Bible verse that highlights God's omniscient nature is Psalm 139:1-4 (NIV):
"O Lord, you have searched me and you know me. You know when I sit and when I rise; you perceive my thoughts from afar. You discern my going out and my lying down; you are familiar with all my ways. Before a word is on my tongue you know it completely, O Lord."

The man you quoted is a faithful servant of God who have proved to be loyal right from his youth {2Chronicles 16:9} not all Dick and Harry.
From God's standpoint David is living {Luke 20:38} because he has a good record in God's memory book {Job 14:13-15} but as for faithless people God has no record for them {Psalms 9:17} that's why Jesus could refer to such ones as "DEAD" Luke 9:60

bobestman:
He gave them laws, commandment etc and demands that they obey it. Once they do that, they are in good terms with him and enjoy the blessings of obedience. If they disobey, they suffer the curses - Deu 28. Very simple. Everything they should do including how they should worship is clearly written in the laws. The messiah and his disciples also kept and obey the hebrew laws. Your religions fabricated from their ways is a waste of time

Stop beating about the bush!

In the laws given to Israel it's only within the boarders of Israel that anyone can worship the God of Israel acceptably!

Dtruthspeaker:
Go and read your Bible again and see the why, if you like.

The reason is there already:

All Revelations of things to come has ended in that Bible book!

God is not interested in all human government because it's under Satan's control so they are lying to you saying God spoke to them about government in one place or another the gift to prophesy has ended when God's word said No addition and No subtraction! Revelations 22:18-19

bobestman:
Your ignorance is what will make you slave forever to JW's who know nothing. God Almighty gave his ppl laws, commandments etc. They can practice it anywhere. It is different from your re-legions which is a corruption of what you copied from them

Keep lying to yourself!

Where did the God of Israel say people can worship Him according to the laws He gave Moses apart from Israel?

Ọmọ the New Covenant totally differs from the laws God gave the nation of Israel that's why He established another which has nothing to do with Judaism! Jeremiah 31:31-34

Aemmyjah:
I disagree with you a million percent and there's no way you can convince me that evolutionist have ANY intelligence.
I'm surprised you're saying this cos it will mean that some or all of their argument is actually true. Not just based on religious view, is there any intelligence in anyone who believe that a house may have no builder even if he's a PhD holder? No
From Jehovah's standpoint, those who reject the existence of the Creator are FOOLS cos they don't consider the evidence for themselves
Jehovah's Witnesses are not Creationists either. We [b]know[/b]there is a Creator but we don't accept the Creationism theory either.
Evolutionists are not intelligent in any way
Let them come and prove to us that any thing in the artificial world has no designer and we'll consider their intelligence

Ọmọ intelligence has to do with fixing things for the main time even though things may go wrong again but wisdom is finding a permanent solution to issues.

So while Satan is highly intelligent he is not wise!

Remember God's word called him the ruler of the world {John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} it takes a high level of intelligence to convince the first human couple to disobey our Creator, to convince 1/3 of the angels in heaven to abandon God's work, to introduce different system of government each time one fails.

But if Satan is wise he should have feared the true God who created all things so my brother don't misconstrue the two wisdom totally differs from intelligence!

Aemmyjah:
My end ke?
Who had been brewing lies about someone organization
Wetin concern us with una own
I was not even interested in your organization when I asked the name
I just wanted u to promote yours on the forum
Shame won't allow you
Again, you're useless on this group without Jehovah witnesses

Lunatics don't have anything worthwhile to protect?

They're only interested in what amiable people puts on so they feel like tearing your clothes so everyone can be on the same page!

Your religion is like the fine clothe you're putting on that's why right thinking persons don't want the name of their religion to be stained but how do you expect a lunatic who is without anything worthwhile to cover his body feel seeing you looking good?

Ọmọ it's like you're demanding they should put on their clothes so that you can walk together in daylight of course they will prefer to continue hiding because they've got no fine clothes to wear during daylight! John 3:19

Evolutionists are intelligent but Creationists are the wise intellectuals on this planet!

When you examine the two Evolutionists says we came by chance and that everything we see today began by chance. Surely they must have constructive argument to back up their claim just as Creationists also have their own constructive argument to back up whatever the books the considered to be divinely inspired says.

But then the question any right thinking person should ask is:

Why are we interested in the beginning?

Well from my personal point of view i think people just want to know the answers to these questions:

How did we get here?
What are we doing here?
What happens to us or where do we go when we die?

Of course the only person who can answer all these questions must be present when life started in the beginning!

So if we find it really difficult to agree on what we think about these questions there is one thing that no sane human should ignore:

How do we cohabit peacefully here on this planet?

Life is good and sweet at least we need to know how we can live without hurting one another even though we don't share same hobbies.

That leads us to the most important aspect we must all look into:

Who sets the standard for right and wrong?

Since Evolutionists says everything happened by chance it will be really difficult for them to come to reasonable terms on how we can cohabit peacefully in fact they must rely on something that will also bring such standard to them by chance!

But as for Creationists since they agree that there is Someone who is the caused of life on this planet their problem has been half solved what remains is how do they get in touch with this Creator for Him/Her/it to direct them on how they're going to live happily as one family of human race.

So while evolutionists have no solution to the problem affecting our very existence on the planet creationists only need to agree on the source of divine guidance.

That's why i said Evolutionists may be intelligent but Creationists are wiser!

"Faith is the assured expectations of what is hoped for the evident demonstration of realities though not seen" Apostle Paul @ Hebrews 11:1

Few Jews FAITHFULLY believed in the promises of God and carefully observed all the evidences pointing to the fact that the young man named Jesus of Nazareth have proved to be the promised Messiah (Christ) but millions of Israelites never believe till today!

So just as faith is the substance of things hoped for only faithful people who are really observing the prophecies can know when the Christ first came physically as human and when he returned as a mighty spirit being.

Jehovah's Witnesses organization have all the evidences that's why it's really difficult to see a member who isn't fully equipped with all what you need either to convince a Jew that Jesus of Nazareth is the promised Messiah (Christ) or that he has returned to restructure his group since 1914.

Emusan:
So Jesus disciples have claimed Jesus has come before and JWs also claimed Jesus has come in 1914 anyone deluded JWs can't drag into their delusion doesn't exist

Just as Jews strongly believe that Jesus' disciples dragged their God and His promises regarding the Christ into delusion!

FreedomfromtheT:
You can continue with your hate-mongering and Kumuyiphobia.
This thread is about why people like you hate Deeper Life.
Your anti-Kumuyi propaganda here is evidence of who you really are and your mission on this platform.
It doesn't change anything about what God knows about pastor Kumuyi.
It doesn't stop God using the humble man of God to continue to get a lot of sinners saved and backslidders restored, believers sanctified, the sick healed, the oppressed delivered, saints taught and prepared for eternity and more gospel ministers raised for end time harvest.

Your choice to remain ignorant is your own cup of coffee since you don't want to know the truth!

bobestman:
God gave no religion.

Madness at its peak!

The same God who established a religion for ancient nation of Israel, shey?

Ọmọ go and see a psychiatrist fast!

There is a reason to be thankful: you are alive now seeing how the last system of human government called DEMOCRACY is failing in one nation after another!

Nsogbu001:
Jesus is a Jew as we were told and now the Jews don't even know about him.
I hope we are on the right track. Somebody should enlighten us.
Constructive opinions

This is not about opinions but indisputable fact!

Before i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses (Jesus' disciples) i read a lot of books to verify if what was written in the Bible is true. Many Jews agreed that Jesus was a historical figure but they don't want to acknowledge him as the Messiah (Christ) God promised their forefathers. According to the prophecies before his birth it was written that he will destroy all human governments oppressing God's people and establish a righteous government that will never be passed on to any other people! Daniel 2:44
Where the Jews got everything wrong is the highlighted they thought only their race should be referred to as God's people but the truth is that God only chose them as example for anyone from any part of this planet who wants to become God's friend like Abraham.
So when Jesus walked the earth the Jews in his days were expecting him to use his supernatural powers so attack the Roman government colonizing them at that time but instead Jesus was preaching about LOVE for neighbours {Mark 12:31} love for enemies {Matthew 5:43-48} and love for fellow believers! John 13:34-35
What really irritated them mostly is how Jesus caused a division among the Jews with his teachings {Matthew 10:34-35} he formed a group whose preaching and teaching totally differs from what the first century Jewish community hold so dearly! Matthew 5:33-37

Despite all his credentials pointing to the fact that he was God's sent {John 3:2} their rulers decided to expel anyone who profess faith in Jesus of Nazareth {John 9:22} and they started to conspire against him in order to get rid of him {John 11:53} but Jesus was able to complete his earthly assignment as a human in their midst that's why he could say at his execution "it has been accomplished" John 19:30

After his execution only his faithful disciples can see him because he was resurrected and he taught them how to start taking the Good News of God's Kingdom to all other nations {Matthew 28:18-20; Act 1:8} since majority of his own people who are supposed to help in spreading the Good News rejected him people from other nations embraced his message and started telling anyone they meet that Jesus died and was brought back to life {John 1:11-12} so there's hope of resurrection for all faithful people and that we can truly live forever in Paradise on planet earth! Luke 23:43

So if you're wondering why those faithless people that later settled in Jerusalem are having issues regarding the historicity of Jesus it's because God condemned that nation and from the moment they rejected Jesus Christ the true God gave the blessings belonging to them to another nation no longer chosen by race but by faith in Christ Jesus! Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38

The original Israelites were twelve tribes of the sons of Jacob, after the death of King Solomon ten tribes separated themselves and stayed in the northern part of the country they are the ones called "SAMARITANS" in Jesus' day only two tribes remained in the south with the Levites this are the ones called "JEWS" so after Jesus' ascension to heaven pagan nations came and devastated these people scattering them far away from that place, misplaced Jews took their religion (Judaism) to where they were scattered to {Luke 11:23} and as they go they're telling people that Jesus wasn't the promised Messiah and that his disciples were lying in the books they wrote about him (Matthew to Revelations)
The people settling in Israel today aren't majorly the original Israelites but prostyles who embraced Judaism, they were permitted to return after World War 2, as for the real Israelites they have been misplaced due to the curse they brought upon themselves and their unborn generations by shedding the blood of an innocent man! Matthew 27:25

There are many things i wish to tell you but this forum isn't the appropriate place so if you wish to know more please contact Jehovah's Witnesses in your neighbourhood ask them any question that comes up into your heart regarding Jesus of Nazareth {Matthew 7:7-8} they will answer you in fact they must answer you because Jesus commanded them to find you and teach you all what he commanded {Matthew 28:20} if you do surely you will know the truth {John 8:32} about Jesus of Nazareth the world's most wonderful counselor of all time. Isaiah 9:6

God bless you and may you have PEACE!