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tctrills:
So when someone is arrested for spending fake money, he would not be released simply because original money was not provided.
In your case I have provided original money which is the word of God.

Ọmọ you're telling stories because what you're quoting never happened in our time rather it's written to help people in our time apply it in our own time. So if you can't present the practical application that's working in our own time then you can't prove you believe what you're quoting because it's not for quoting sake but for practical use and benefits!

akan102:
Brother if you say the "gift" are no longer around because Christ dead ended the gift in the lives of his followers why were the deciples performing miracles in his name after he was long gone, why did they prophecy eg 1timothy 4 v1---, how did they got to write the book of revelation, if the gift of revelation was ended with the arrival and dead of our Lord Jesus Christ, thanks

I have addressed this but perhaps you didn't see it:

MaxInDHouse:
The promises of supernatural gifts was for only the Israelites that's why you can never see anyone performing miraculous works in the Bible except Israelites. When Jesus walked the earth he emphatically told a none Israelites woman that supernatural gifts he has was mainly for the benefit of Israelites {Matthew 15:21-24} the prophecies regarding this GIFTS was for the Israelites only {Joel 2:28} at pentecost when this prophecy was fulfilled Peter reminded the Israelites that what they saw in them was what God promised all the children of Israel including those who have ran away due to oppression if they should accept Jesus as Christ the GIFTS will be theirs! Act 2:39

But the only connection between Israelites and this power is the apostles residing in Jerusalem that's why Jesus told them not to leave Jerusalem no matter the persecution from the Jews {Act 1:3-5} so throughout those days most of them were imprisoned and killed! Act 12:1-3

Despite all these the Apostles remained in Jerusalem according to the words of Jesus. Why? Because the power to those gift are tied to Jerusalem! Isaiah 2:3

But later the Christians were scattered when Jerusalem was destroyed in the first century by the Romans the Apostles weren't together anymore and the Jews were hunting them one by one until all of them were killed except John the apostle who wrote the last book {Revelations 1:1} because Jesus had promised him there's an assignment for him! John 21:22


So all those GIFTS ended just as apostle Paul said but the true disciples of Christ continue to have LOVE among themselves as everlasting sign of pure worship! John 13:34-35 compare to 1Corinthians 13:13

Templee333:
ok neigbour. So does it make you feel good when you call me atheist? If it does, then call me as often as you want, your happiness is my concern! Just know that i don't hold anything against you calling me an atheist!

I have proved to you what an atheist is to me and that doesn't mean i hate you it's just that when talking about my God i won't welcome any idea from you since i have taken you to be an atheist!

mattb1:
No body should deceive you that speaking in tongues is a prove of having the holy spirit.

Abracadabramamariboboboborimanaska!

Ọmọ shey you dey feel my vibes?

tctrills:
You are right Jesus Christ had a church not an organization of falsehood.
Having a church is nothing special as you say, there are over 41 thousand sects. But teaching the truth is the critical thing. So don't get angry if I choose to point out your falsehood.

I have a note with me which is tenable anywhere i go and with it i can transact business everywhere but you want to tell me that it's fake money, oya present the real money you started telling me stories found in Nigerian newspapers about Naira notes.
How do you think any right thinking person can take you serious?

Ọmọ from my own perspective you're lying to your soul because you're just quoting the Bible out of context that's why you can't present or point to any organized people where what you're saying is practically applicable!

tctrills:
Are you trying to beg me to stop questioning your false teachings?

If you don't know true teachings yet calling the teaching that's yielding positive results in the gathering of imperfect humans false ọmọ you be confirmed atheist!

Templee333:
can you define the term "atheist"?

We've been through this before nah!

You will expect the meaning your white supremacists infused in your dictionary while i will tell you the practical meaning of athiest.

An Athiest is anyone who doesn't believe in the ability of the supreme being to organize His worshipers. So atheists try to promote self realization yet they want to carry others along whereas they're the real problem of their own concept as they say nobody should agree with the idea of another person yet they want to tell others how to use their brains!

Templee333:
Truth isn't something that you beg people to believe. Whether people believe it or not, truth is what it is.

This is not about begging rather it's about PERFORMANCE if you know the truth there should be a way to prove it and it not just by information rather it's by performing what others can't do.

God is the supreme being and to prove you know Him you should be able to present a multitude of witnesses under the control of the supreme being. It's by observing how well organized they're that any right thinking person could be fully convinced that an unseen supreme being is at work not just arguing claiming you know the truth everyone does that jọọ!

Templee333:
No brother, i can't be ashamed of telling the truth

How many times do i have to tell you that you're not my brother?
Guy, you're not my brother, you can't be my brother and you will never be my brother so learn to grasp it that you and i are neighbours!

If you're not ashamed of the truth you should have come out boldly to tell everyone you're an atheist so whoever is OK with it can be your friend.
I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses no matter what anyone think, say or do can never ever change that or make me feel intimidated the one and only threat anyone can pose before me is presenting a better performing group than Jehovah's Witnesses. Anyone who is able to do that will change my mindset but without that i remain a JW for life!

tctrills:
I love the way you JW define me. To you, I am an atheist but to you elder brother Janosky I am a Trinitarians.
So to the JW church, I am a man who doesn't believe in the existence of God and still believes in 3 God's.
You guys seem to be having headache in demystifying me a mere human.
I only imagine the both of you arguing over my person in your private meetings.

Go and worship your god if truly you believe in one!

At least there are over 41,000 different sects all claiming denominations so if truly you believe in God you should be able to present one where you worship!

Templee333:
MaxInDhouse you need to understand that those pictures of a whiteman with snowy beard sitting in a golden throne surounded by whitemen with wings as shown in your publications,yes, that picture is not God, it is just imagination of men. The source of all existing thing doesn't need a shape and form,neither must it have a name. Why don't you take just 5 minutes to meditate the origin of God and let your inner mind free you from the JEHOvAH illusion?

Go and tell all your churchgoer friends before coming to Jehovah's Witnesses, once they agree with you we will see the benefits of what you know in your gathering not just talking without action!

sonmvayina:
The problem is that you don't want to accept that what you know is a lie....when scrutinized.

Mr Reincarnation!

tctrills:
But you are the one who doesn't believe in the word of God in the bible. Have I ever presented anything to you outside the bible you have? So stop getting uncomfortable and get your facts right. My only weapon against your lies has been the bible nothing more.

Jesus has a church and they're all united in faith! John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10
Paul said they should be assembling together! Hebrews 10:24-25

So if you don't have any church where you assemble together with fellow believers but always questioning the faith of others ọmọ you're a disguised athiest!

Templee333:
ok neigbour! So what is really your problem with me? Why all these attacks?

So you call exposing you as an atheist attack?

You're supposed to be ashamed of yourself as you've been deceiving yourself and others telling them you're traveling through different sects instead of telling them oha that you be atheist.
Of course you know they won't even take you seriously that's why you've been hiding behind a finger!

Antiochus:
Don't waste your time trying to lecture a Jehovah Witness. It's futile. Just pray for him.

No wahala we are making disciples for our own King continue deceiving yourself!

MadamExcellency:
Please let's not change the topic or abuse ourselves.

Are you filled with the Holy Spirit? Do you speak in tongues?

I ask because I do and I have it as a gift. Diverse tongues, can sing with them (same song) in local and foreign languages under the influence of the Holy Spirit. How do I deny reality and to you, what do you make of the testimony?

OK the other person is free to call others antichrist shey?

Why are you people just full of hypocrisy like this?

churchboy21:
Paul said it will cease, him no mention date n year oh… how u take arrived at 2000years brother… enlighten me abeg

churchboy21:
Bro I honestly don’t need to google abt Churches… U have a Bible… it’s in English,, I jux wanna knw how u got the 2000years ago thingy n why you are so sure of it

Your persistence is really choking me but what could i do?
Well let's study the Bible together:

The promises of supernatural gifts was for only the Israelites that's why you can never see anyone performing miraculous works in the Bible except Israelites. When Jesus walked the earth he emphatically told a none Israelites woman that supernatural gifts he has was mainly for the benefit of Israelites {Matthew 15:21-24} the prophecies regarding this GIFTS was for the Israelites only {Joel 2:28} at pentecost when this prophecy was fulfilled Peter reminded the Israelites that what they saw in them was what God promised all the children of Israel including those who have ran away due to oppression if they should accept Jesus as Christ the GIFTS will be theirs! Act 2:39

But the only connection between Israelites and this power is the apostles residing in Jerusalem that's why Jesus told them not to leave Jerusalem no matter the persecution from the Jews {Act 1:3-5} so throughout those days most of them were imprisoned and killed! Act 12:1-3

Despite all these the Apostles remained in Jerusalem according to the words of Jesus. Why? Because the power to those gift are tied to Jerusalem! Isaiah 2:3

But later the Christians were scattered when Jerusalem was destroyed in the first century by the Romans the Apostles weren't together anymore and the Jews were hunting them one by one until all of them were killed except John the apostle who wrote the last book {Revelations 1:1} because Jesus had promised him there's an assignment for him! John 21:22


So all those GIFTS ended just as apostle Paul said but the true disciples of Christ continue to have LOVE among themselves as everlasting sign of pure worship! John 13:34-35 compare to 1Corinthians 13:13

LadyExcellency:
Who is this Antichrist?
2 Timothy 3:1,5,7 KJV
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. [5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. [7] Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

See mumu!

So you have the form of godly devotion that you aren't denying shey?

Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself you misconstrued that verse, it simply means you people are mocking God as you claim you're all Christians yet with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines you go about telling others they will not go to heaven with you simply because they refused to accept your confusion!

kripen:
True talk, to explain this in addition, God made man but could not control our freewill to decide, chose or select. This made us more than unique more than every other creation.
With this freewill God has little or no power to control human that was why He sent Jesus to be able to redeem us.

To redeem mankind a role model must live the lifestyle that's harmless to no one and at the same time having the ability to think of what to eat, what to where and where to sleep.

Jesus is that perfect role model and he was able to maintain 100% loyalty because he was a perfect creature. Perfect creatures do not get sick, all their body system works perfectly as they can quote what you told them word for word in the next 10,000 years if you should ask them, they don't forget anything, they can control their feelings and emotions, they don't think of human parents or children because to them everyone is equal as they're just privileged to partake in procreation.

So racism, nepotism, nationalism doesn't affects their thinking all they want is people with whom they can share the same line of thought that's harmless to others. Matthew 12:46-50

If we can imitate this {Matthew 17:5} God promised to give us everlasting life! John 3:16

But how can such a perfect person free us from the condemnation of sin we inherited from our first parents?

We will remain Adam's descendants and death will continue to be our portion {Romans 5:12} if a redemption plan is not put in place that's why Jesus has to pay with his perfect human life in order to become the father of all obedient mankind {Isaiah 9:6} that makes him the last Adam through whom we can regain the gift to continue living without dying! 1Corinthians 15:45

Odidigboigbo:
Baba, you can ask people that leaves around there and stop being silly. Here is a link in this platform to help your jealousy. https://www.nairaland.com/4410506/bishop-oyedepo-preaching-near-devils

Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself!
If he wants to preach he doesn't need social media to publish himself it's individuals living in that area that will speak to others how Mr David came to visit them at home on foot with another partner just as Jesus sent his disciples to do {Luke 10:1} if you want to be sincere with yourself do you think what social media could publicize is without armed security guards following your Papa?

churchboy21:
1Cor 13:8-10 , no mention 1st century bro… how u come arrive at 2000years na, abi u jux de whine everybody for here.. Atleast try convince me with the truth you knw brother

Why not google churches before 19th century to find out if they were deceived by all these speaking in tongues stuff?

Paul clearly stated that those gifts will cease and the reason is because Christianity only need those GIFTS to prove that God has approved the sacred services of those Jews who left Judaism and became followers of Christ. After the destruction of Jerusalem all those GIFTS ceased and the only sign left in Christianity is LOVE! 1Corinthians 13:13 compare to John 13:34-35

tctrills:
Am I making you uncomfortable

I just pity you as you have to go through all the pain quoting me but trying to pretend you have something tangible to say when in fact you're just an atheist!

tctrills:
Funny guy. Oga no bi fight. Take it easy.

I don't hate atheists but when an atheist wants to condemn faith in God and the Bible then disguising as a believer that's what irritates me. You have the right to choose whatever you want nobody can flog you for there is freedom of speech, expression, worship and association.
So stop deceiving yourself!

Templee333:
atheism isn't a crime my brother.

Ọmọ it's the greatest crime against your soul!

An atheist has been silenced spiritually speaking but you don't know. For Instance i'm Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses and i'm here to preach and teach what i know about the true God.
If you're an atheist you have nothing to teach yet you will be disturbed each time you see others teaching what they know so instead of going straight to what you want to say you will start beating about the bush claiming you're asking questions about religion whereas what you actually have in mind is to condemn it.
How long will you continue to give yourself the headache of hiding up and down?

Atheism render you hopeless and worthless so you will start feeling like discouraging others not to have faith. Look at all the stunts you pulled up on this forum telling stories about one religion or the other you even started quoting the Bible trying to hide behind those claiming they believe in the Bible just to reach JWs with your grievances and after all your Ajala travel what have you gained?
All your fans have deserted you looking for something else to say now you're trying to tell them the Bible and God is worthless.
I just don't know why you have to suffer all these simply because you're an atheist!

tctrills:
See you attacking others later you would be crying that I am attacking you. Hypocrite.

Ọ̀DẸ̀!
This is what your brethren in athiesm typed about God's organization instead of saying his own opinion about God:

Templee333:
It's time to answer all questions that bother you about the Jw people. You should well know that the FAQS section of the jw.org website doesn't give an honest answer to the questions asked. Also, any Jw member you meet to ask about their beliefs and doctrine may not give you all the needed information for fear that you will know the unpleasant and their dark side. It is only those who have had firsthand experience with the group that will give you unbiased information about them.

So if he doesn't believe in Jesus and Bible like you then why capitalizing one just one religion instead of going straight to tell people what he thought about God?

Templee333:
God an Satan exist only in your mind.

Do you now see that i didn't just quote him unlike you who just keep following me all over the forum?

tctrills:
Lol Everyone claims to be God's organization.

So stick to the one you can vouch for if truly you know what the Bible teach because one out of all these sects belongs to Jesus!

Templee333:
Ah! My dear brother MAX, it's been long. How are you?

Me, brother to an atheist?

Ọmọ i be your neighbour not your brother!

churchboy21:
Oga who told you it stopped 2000years ago?? Dis JW people.. where Una de get dis calculation from na….isn’t that Numerology??

Ọmọ how many of the old churches practice all these magic and sorcery most new generation churches are using to catch people like you?

Stone03:
The gift of the Spirit didn't stop please. Stop spreading heresy please

You people hate the truth.
Can you remind me of a gentile who performed a single miracle in the Bible?

The gifts was reserved only for those who have direct contact with Jesus and his twelve apostles {Matthew 10:6; 15:24} as the apostles were decreasing due to death the gifts continue to decrease until it ended in the first century. 1Corinthians 13:8-10

Why do you think older religions claiming Christians don't preach such gifts until Satan began spreading falsehood in the 20th century?

Iseoluwani:
You are just wrong.
John 1:12. For has many that believed he gave power to become Children of God .
Eph 4:7-13 pls read this.

Back to the topic. Op.
My experience, I prayed to God for the gifts of speaking in tongues, it took me 3months. I just kept praying by faith.

The Spirit within and the Spirit upon by Kenneth hagin is a good guide.

Having the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues cannot really be explained By words

So if you can't explain then stop blind arguments!

Odidigboigbo:
This your comments proves that you know nothing or little about Oyedepo but only reacting base on jealousy. Go to Sango and it's environs, Oyedepo still goes out to preach in market places, even in areas marks as dangerous, without any securities. Those that leaves in the neighbourhood can testify to this.

Stop lying publicly nah!

This is Nigeria where ọmọ onílẹ̀ will charge any celebrity for seeing him or her in the public moreover your Papa is already having serious issues with politicians so stop deceiving yourself them no born am well to walk alone without armed security operatives because he has what belongs to the children of this system of things in his possession! Matthew 6:19-21

kindredspirit:
Dude, are you truly a JW ? They typically are not abusive nor insulting, whilst reasoning from the scripture with others of different doctrine. Your responses/comments are always peppered with one invective or another. You do serious disservice to the image of the JW.

I have been lenient with your fellow Papa Oyedepo worshiper for long telling him to stop quoting me, i told him i don't want to discuss anything biblical with him but he won't let me be always quoting me and typing gibberish about me:

MightySparrow:
MaximumSide is like an illiterate who didn't go to school and telling people that there's nothing in education. The scriptures cannot be broken. Acts.2.39 - The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off--for (across geographical locations and time) all whom the Lord our God will call { from Jesus' time and His return, (not JWs 1914)}."

So i gave him what he deserves!