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jaephoenix:
I have no issues there. As you can see the last post there is mine

MightySparrow:
Yet you have not refuted the fact that in Christianity of Jesus by Jesus to His followers should speak in tongues as evidence of Holy Spirit baptism after the order of Apostles and the early christians. It doesn't call for names calling and abuses nah. Àbí?

tctrills:
No you are wrong. Jesus Christ never said only the Jews could be born again. No single verse declared that only the Jews could be born again. Your religion is just guesswork. So you guessed he was referring to Jews when instead he said all must be born again. No verse in the entire bible teaches that only the Jews would be saved or would enter the kingdom of God.
The apostles of Christ did not have two different messages. It was the same message for both the Jews and gentiles.
Read the words of the Savior
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.In the early church, all, both Jews and gentiles were the same before God. Cornelius was not a jew. Yes the gospel was first preached to the Jews but the same message was preached to the gentiles.
Now to you question. Again you asked a very foolish question and I would tell you why.
Only God can tell if or when someone is born again. Being born again is not a title. You do not see it on someones forehead. So asking for a born again church shows you are confused. Now let's read the scriptures to understand what it means to be born again.
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
Do you see why your question is foolish? Being born again is beyond the church you attend. Its those who will overcome.

geoworldedu:
True or false

Toluilori8:
Money is use for all things

Altered4life:
That cult (JW ) is really something else! Kai. May God help children stuck there o.

Antiochus:
E shock you abi
All these JW people have been misled. May God open their eyes. Imagine someone saying the gifts of the Holy Spirit have ceased 2000yrs ago. Big error.

MightySparrow:
This is digression from the topic of discussion, please stop on the argument: Holy Spirit baptism and speaking in tongues.
Please stay on the topic.

jaephoenix:
No doubt

tctrills:
Now let me quote from the JW bible.
3 In response Jesus said to him: “Most truly I say to you, unless anyone is born again,*+ he cannot see the Kingdom of God.”+ 4 Nic·o·deʹmus said to him: “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter into the womb of his mother a second time and be born, can he?” 5 Jesus answered: “Most truly I say to you, unless anyone is born from water+ and spirit,+ he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. 7 Do not be amazed because I told you: You people must be born again.

tctrills:
But you are also in the business of lying and dishonesty. It doesn't matter if you claim to be born again or not. Each group comes up with its own set of lies. I wonder why you feel justified to condemn another organisation.

MaxInDHouse:
..........ISAAC ......................... ISHMAEL
Esau and Jacob .................... __________________
Jacob (Israel). ..................... ___________________
Moses ~ Israel ...................... ___________________
Joshua ~ Israel ..................... __________________
Samson ~ Israel ................... ___________________
Samuel ~ Israel ................... ___________________
David ~ Israel ..................... ___________________
Solomon ~ Israel ............... ___________________
Zechariah ~ Israel.................. ___________________
Elijah ~ Israel ...................... ___________________
Elisha ~ Israel ...................... ___________________
Jonah ~ Israel ..................... ___________________
John (baptist) ~ Israel .......... ___________________
Jesus of Nazareth ~ Israel ... ____________________

Ishmael and Isaac were brothers from the same father (Abraham) before God chose one as the child with which He (God) will establish His lasting covenant.
Well all those mentioned above do live at one times or the other and their names were mentioned in both the Bible and Qur'an.
So let us consider the contemporary prophets the God of Abraham sent to the descendants of Ishmael while God consistently sent prophets to the descendants of Isaac?

tctrills:
You are one of them

MightySparrow:
What about James 2 : 18 - 26?
Stay with your community truth. Faith without prove of eternal power of God and goodwill to humanity but impotent arguments is fake and dead. Whatever JWs, special interpretation is a lie. Is Oyedepo manufacturing weapons or have a stake in Nigerian Army?

Thanksful:
How can you know the holy spirit when you don't know Jesus?

tctrills:
That's my point, you guys teach contradictory teachings to what the Savior taught.
The Savoir said that no man can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born again but you said that was wrong.
You guys are found of saying that the Saviors statements are wrong.
You would claim it was a parable abi.
What makes you different from those you condemn.
FYI, I just found out that people actually read my communications with you and even quote it.
Its only becoming more fun.

MightySparrow:
Nonsense community truth. Lie and hypocrisy.
People have posted on this forum atrocities of your GB latest is the drunkard Anthony Morris. What about the miracle wheat scam of C. T . Russell? Ari tẹni mọ wi, o fi apaadi bo tiẹ mọlẹ.
Roman10: 9 -10

MightySparrow:
Proudly pentecostal. Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!

MightySparrow:
1Pet.1.23 - For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. It is not mentioned again kwa?
This epistle was written not to a particular people like Romans, Colossians etc. It is general epistle. Roman 10: 9 - 10

MightySparrow:
Okay o.
Rom.10.3 - Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. Rom.10.4 - Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

MightySparrow:
Well by Bible standard I am Romans 10: 9 - 10. By JWs standard?

MaxInDHouse:
Many things Jesus said were taken out of context by misinformed churchgoers. The verse most people quotes regarding born again is not talking to all Christians but as usual some impostors who have been misled by their cravings for material possessions {Philippians 3:18-19} these people are the ones misleading others {2Timothy 3:13} saying everyone must be born again.

Nicodemus was the one and only person Jesus directly talked to about being born again it was never mentioned again so what happened?

The first century Jews had a high court and all members of this court serve as the religious rulers among the Jews {John 3:1 compare to Luke 18:18} this ruling class strongly believe that they've prepared themselves ready for the Kingdom of the promised Messiah (Christ) as they're seeing to the affairs of the Jewish nation and teaching their people God's word.
The group was made up of two fractions:
Pharisees ~ Religious ruling class based on the reformation of the temple and edited laws of Moses, they have added their own meaning to the laws and this was affected by what they learned from pagan customs like Babylon and Greece, they felt the God of Abraham is higher than all others so they forbid their people from mentioning His name this is a misinterpretation of what was written in the Mosaic laws. Exodus 20:7
Sadducees ~ Religious ruling class arranged by Herod Antipas the Judea King. This group only sit in the court to protect the interest of King Herod so they also add their own opinion which often leads to arguments between the two groups {Act 23:6-7} however the Roman government colonizing them decreed that if they want to be recognized by Roman empire they must agree as one (this was used as a snare to make them disagree so that both will be cancelled) but the two groups agreed.
The Roman government also forced them to agree that any of the two groups can produce the High Priest of the Jews even though this is in total contrast to what was written in God's law both groups agreed as they're desperately interested in being part of the political movement.
Their major concern is that the Messiah (Christ) will come and lead them into conquest first against Rome and all other powerful nations of the earth {Daniel 2:44} so that they will rule forever with the Christ as written in the prophecies! Isaiah 9:6-7

So when Jesus of Nazareth began performing up to expectation just as it was written in the scriptures many of them realized that at last the Messiah (Christ) has arrived but instead of coming into their midst and planning with them on how to proceed with the things written Jesus was going to poor and sinful Jews who only manage to pick few things from the teachings of their religious rulers so it was like what they expected totally differs from what the young man (Jesus) is doing!

This is why some of them like Nicodemus went to seek Jesus' approval secretly {John 3:2} and trust Jesus who is highly intelligent he quickly hit the nail on the head by telling Nicodemus that what that group is expecting none of them can have it unless they humble become part of his disciples and forgo all their political ambitions {Luke 18:18-23} so they must be baptized as disciples of Christ and await the baptism by the spirit which only belongs to those who will be fully prepared to work for the Christ {John 3:3-6 compare to Matthew 20:20-23} many Jews surely got baptized in water and became Jesus' disciples but before long most of them deserted Jesus when he used an illustration to emphasize what they needed to do before they can be part of his ruling team! John 6:48-66

However twelve of all his disciples stood firm knowing fully well that there's no other place or group they can be to gain salvation {John 6:67-69} but despite all their suffering with Jesus one out of the twelve also lost in the race! John 6:70-71

By the time God will baptize the first set of Christ's co-rulers among the Jews 120 loyal disciples of Christ were together faithfully praying to God in Jesus name in anticipation of the promises of God and what Jesus told them, that was the day they were baptized as the first set of Christ's co-rulers to become BORN AGAIN Christians! Act 2:1-4

The spirit of God would have chosen all the co-rulers among the Jews only while all other nations will have to gain salvation through them {Zechariah 8:23} but most Jews weren't ready {Matthew 22:4-5} in fact they were criticizing the faith in Christ Jesus {Matthew 22:6 compare to Act 5:28, 40} that's why the invitation to become part of Christ's co-rulers was extended to people of other nations! Matthew 22:7-10 compare to John 1:11-12

From the beginning Jerusalem supposed to be the government house of God's Kingdom {Isaiah 2:3} but the Jews has brought a big curse on that city {Matthew 23:37-38} that's why Jesus told his disciples bad bad things that will happen to their city {Matthew 24:1-2} they became devastated because if Jerusalem is destroyed again after Christ has come then where are they going to stay as Christ's co-rulers? That's why Jesus said:

“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Exercise faith in God; exercise faith also in me. In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you. Also, if I go my way and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will receive you home to myself, so that where I am you also may be." John 14:1-3

So it's not all Christians that needed to become BORN AGAIN rather it's only those that will rule with Christ and it's not by effort or ability because it's God Himself who selects them Jesus have no say in the selection of those going to rule with him {Matthew 20:23} he can only teach them if they act on what he taught God Himself does the selection!

May you have PEACE!

Janosky:

Accursed IBERIBEIST occult idol Worshipper
John 10:19-20 , the same manner your mentors, those FAITHLESS MISCREANTS claimed that Jesus Christ have mental illness.

MightySparrow:
Hahaha. Pure water worship of town meeting.

tctrills:
Why talk like a child. Nairaland is not a church

Kobojunkie:
So, your religion has it that Jesus Christ, the one who said everyone must be born-again, beginning almost 2000 years ago when He made the proclamation is a liar?

MightySparrow:
MaximumSide is like an illiterate who didn't go to school and telling people that there's nothing in education. The scriptures cannot be broken.