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tctrills:
You don't need to argue, I just corrected you with the scriptures.
And you are welcome.

Go and worship with those that agree with your interpretation after all they're your born again brothers.
Over 8.5 millions of Jehovah's Witnesses are zealously preaching and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood what i presented and mind you only less than 8,000 among them claim they're born again.
So go and worship with your born again people who are doing the work Jesus commissioned zealously and industriously like Jehovah's Witnesses! James 2:18-26

..........ISAAC ......................... ISHMAEL
Esau and Jacob .................... __________________
Jacob (Israel). ..................... ___________________
Moses ~ Israel ...................... ___________________
Joshua ~ Israel ..................... __________________
Samson ~ Israel ................... ___________________
Samuel ~ Israel ................... ___________________
David ~ Israel ..................... ___________________
Solomon ~ Israel ............... ___________________
Zechariah ~ Israel.................. ___________________
Elijah ~ Israel ...................... ___________________
Elisha ~ Israel ...................... ___________________
Jonah ~ Israel ..................... ___________________
John (baptist) ~ Israel .......... ___________________
Jesus of Nazareth ~ Israel ... ____________________

Ishmael and Isaac were brothers from the same father (Abraham) before God chose one as the child with which He (God) will establish His lasting covenant.
Well all those mentioned above do live at one times or the other and their names were mentioned in both the Bible and Qur'an.
So let us consider the contemporary prophets the God of Abraham sent to the descendants of Ishmael while God consistently sent prophets to the descendants of Isaac?

tctrills:
I love what you say. zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word not Guesswork

Go and gather them to work with you i'm not interested in arguing with you!

tctrills:
Wrong again. Yes Jesus Christ was addressing Nicodemus but his statement is same for everyone.
Let's read his words.
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

No man would enter God's Kingdom without being born again not only Nicodemus but everyone. That's what Jesus Christ said.

Go and use what you have to gather members and start worshiping with them, but make sure they're zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word so they can pass what you know to others!

Ken4Christ:
Ishmael and her mother were driven away. And God did not even recognize him. Isaac is the only child of Abraham in the mind of God.

When we come knocking on your doors to help you gain accurate knowledge of God's word you will say you're this you're that.
Oya prove that Isaac is the promised son God gave Abraham.
If i should come to your rescue now you will still say stupid things arguing blindly.
I'm just laughing at you as you can't even pick indisputable points from what is written in the Bible other than saying what was written, that's not how to prove something true you have to be wise in this case.
So i will step aside and allow you prove what you know regarding the child God promised Abraham!

SeniorMan715:
Wonderful Explanation
@MaxInDHouse

All glory and honor be to Jehovah the one who is pleased to reveal such sacred secrets to babies in the faith like me! Matthew 11:25

To answer this question you have to figure out who does the WOMAN in the first verse depict? Isaiah 60:1
But let me give you two Bible verses that can help you in your research:

@Genesis 3:15 ~ God will cause a great enmity between the offspring of Serpent (Satan) and the offspring of this woman. So she is blessed since herself and Satan aren't on the same page all her children are also blessed.

@Revelations 12 ~ This woman later gave birth to a son and Serpent tried to devour not her but her son, the child was carried away from the sight of Serpent {Revelations 12:} and the woman fled only for Serpent to vomit a large amount of water so as to drown her {Revelations 12:15} but the earth came to her rescue that's why the serpent go fighting with the rest of her children! Revelations 12:16-17

If you need my assistance we can both study the scriptures together it will help us to know whether what Isaiah said about the children of this blessed woman has been fulfilled or yet to fulfill.

May you have PEACE!

vybzkartel:
At what point is one born again?
Jesus said, unless one is born of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom. Birth with water is clear, birth with the spirit is my question: is birth with the spirit, holy spirit baptism? I mean, what happened to Acts 2, is that being born again?

Many things Jesus said were taken out of context by misinformed churchgoers. The verse most people quotes regarding born again is not talking to all Christians but as usual some impostors who have been misled by their cravings for material possessions {Philippians 3:18-19} these people are the ones misleading others {2Timothy 3:13} saying everyone must be born again.

Nicodemus was the one and only person Jesus directly talked to about being born again it was never mentioned again so what happened?

The first century Jews had a high court and all members of this court serve as the religious rulers among the Jews {John 3:1 compare to Luke 18:18} this ruling class strongly believe that they've prepared themselves ready for the Kingdom of the promised Messiah (Christ) as they're seeing to the affairs of the Jewish nation and teaching their people God's word.
The group was made up of two fractions:
Pharisees ~ Religious ruling class based on the reformation of the temple and edited laws of Moses, they have added their own meaning to the laws and this was affected by what they learned from pagan customs like Babylon and Greece, they felt the God of Abraham is higher than all others so they forbid their people from mentioning His name this is a misinterpretation of what was written in the Mosaic laws. Exodus 20:7
Sadducees ~ Religious ruling class arranged by Herod Antipas the Judea King. This group only sit in the court to protect the interest of King Herod so they also add their own opinion which often leads to arguments between the two groups {Act 23:6-7} however the Roman government colonizing them decreed that if they want to be recognized by Roman empire they must agree as one (this was used as a snare to make them disagree so that both will be cancelled) but the two groups agreed.
The Roman government also forced them to agree that any of the two groups can produce the High Priest of the Jews even though this is in total contrast to what was written in God's law both groups agreed as they're desperately interested in being part of the political movement.
Their major concern is that the Messiah (Christ) will come and lead them into conquest first against Rome and all other powerful nations of the earth {Daniel 2:44} so that they will rule forever with the Christ as written in the prophecies! Isaiah 9:6-7

So when Jesus of Nazareth began performing up to expectation just as it was written in the scriptures many of them realized that at last the Messiah (Christ) has arrived but instead of coming into their midst and planning with them on how to proceed with the things written Jesus was going to poor and sinful Jews who only manage to pick few things from the teachings of their religious rulers so it was like what they expected totally differs from what the young man (Jesus) is doing!

This is why some of them like Nicodemus went to seek Jesus' approval secretly {John 3:2} and trust Jesus who is highly intelligent he quickly hit the nail on the head by telling Nicodemus that what that group is expecting none of them can have it unless they humble become part of his disciples and forgo all their political ambitions {Luke 18:18-23} so they must be baptized as disciples of Christ and await the baptism by the spirit which only belongs to those who will be fully prepared to work for the Christ {John 3:3-6 compare to Matthew 20:20-23} many Jews surely got baptized in water and became Jesus' disciples but before long most of them deserted Jesus when he used an illustration to emphasize what they needed to do before they can be part of his ruling team! John 6:48-66

However twelve of all his disciples stood firm knowing fully well that there's no other place or group they can be to gain salvation {John 6:67-69} but despite all their suffering with Jesus one out of the twelve also lost in the race! John 6:70-71

By the time God will baptize the first set of Christ's co-rulers among the Jews 120 loyal disciples of Christ were together faithfully praying to God in Jesus name in anticipation of the promises of God and what Jesus told them, that was the day they were baptized as the first set of Christ's co-rulers to become BORN AGAIN Christians! Act 2:1-4

The spirit of God would have chosen all the co-rulers among the Jews only while all other nations will have to gain salvation through them {Zechariah 8:23} but most Jews weren't ready {Matthew 22:4-5} in fact they were criticizing the faith in Christ Jesus {Matthew 22:6 compare to Act 5:28, 40} that's why the invitation to become part of Christ's co-rulers was extended to people of other nations! Matthew 22:7-10 compare to John 1:11-12

From the beginning Jerusalem supposed to be the government house of God's Kingdom {Isaiah 2:3} but the Jews has brought a big curse on that city {Matthew 23:37-38} that's why Jesus told his disciples bad bad things that will happen to their city {Matthew 24:1-2} they became devastated because if Jerusalem is destroyed again after Christ has come then where are they going to stay as Christ's co-rulers? That's why Jesus said:

“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Exercise faith in God; exercise faith also in me. In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you. Also, if I go my way and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will receive you home to myself, so that where I am you also may be." John 14:1-3

So it's not all Christians that needed to become BORN AGAIN rather it's only those that will rule with Christ and it's not by effort or ability because it's God Himself who selects them Jesus have no say in the selection of those going to rule with him {Matthew 20:23} he can only teach them if they act on what he taught God Himself does the selection!

May you have PEACE!

blowjohn:
Hmm. Quite enlighening.
Let me finish with ur verses. Will get back to u, tnx

You're welcome anyday anytime Sir!

@ blowjohn

Do you want to know what Jesus meant by the FRUIT of FAITH?
Well it's the same as the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit. Galatians 5:22-23

There are two aspects of God's Holy Spirit that most people often confuse for the other.

Jesus likens himself to a tree planted by his father {John 15:1} so just as all trees do have gifts as well as fruit Jesus' ministry as a tree also have both.
The GIFTS of a tree are numerous: it could be tall and shady to protect people from the sun, it could be big as in tick enough for anyone to rest on it, it could bring sweet fragrance, it's leaves could be good for healing and so on.
But when talking about it's FRUIT it is just one type of fruit!

So looking from a far distance someone could be confused regarding the identity of a tree due to its GIFTS but when you get it's FRUIT you will KNOW for sure the type of tree it is! Matthew 7:16-18


Would you like to know the FRUIT of FAITH in God?

SeniorMan715:
Did Moses, Elijah and Enoch actually died ?

YES!
All humans born through Adam must taste death unless when God's Kingdom comes! John 11:25-26

blowjohn:
Hmm. Ok but their fruits frm my point of view are producing fruith of faith like u call it.

You need to know the FRUIT of FAITH so if you want to i will teach you with full backing of the scriptures and explanations.

blowjohn:
And that verse in the bible u said about knowing the truth and setting on free which u juxtaposed with knowing the true 'religion'.....I think is a misinterpretation. Jesus already said he is the way, the truth and the life. So infact he's saying that one will get to know him and obtain freedom frm sin and everlasting condemnation.

This is where intelligence and wisdom comes to play their part!
You are living in the 21st century after almost 2,000 years that this story was recorded by eyewitnesses but try seeing yourself in the first century Judean province with different sects all claiming worshipers of the God of Moses and quoting the Mosaic laws.
Then a young man of about 32+ suddenly appear from nowhere with powerful signs (some saw him perform while many only heard about him) this young man claims he is the one and only person who can teach the Israelites what God requires when there are religious leaders old enough to be his grandpa are out there with various religious schools teaching the Jews the Mosaic laws and it's practical applications.
Please how easy would it have been for you to accept that this young man knew it all?

So Jesus meant that there will be different schools of thought at every point in time but anyone who truly appreciate knowledge will be able to find the right one out of them all.

The one and only way any Jew could figure out that Jesus is the Christ back then is by observing the prophecies been fulfilled through the ministry of Jesus.
The two thieves executed along with Jesus have both heard about Jesus' ability to heal and save but they never followed or care about him. But it was by the time one of them recollected the prophecy that says the Christ will be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver {Zechariah 11:12} and executed along with criminals {Isaiah 53:2} he realized that Jesus is truly the promised Christ.

Even his own disciples following him were still in doubt not until they saw him transfigured with Moses and Elijah speaking to him, that's when they asked him "but the scribes say Elijah will come first" {Matthew 17:10} this means that Jesus shouldn't have come before them seeing Elijah. That's why Jesus told them that John was the Elijah to come! Matthew 17:11-13

So my friend Jesus wasn't talking about those who have known him but those that will live in times when Satan will multiply false religions in order to confuse interested individuals.

blowjohn:
So in essence, it's only JW that's the sole and only way to heaven. That's difficult to believe.
It means the rest of thousands of (real) pastors, preachers, prophets etc are not of God?

Try to visualize yourself being in the first century as a Jew.
Seeing sincere religious leaders like Gamaliel {Act 5:33-39} like Nicodemus {John 3:1-2} like the Jews ruler who came to ask what he should do to enter God's Kingdom! Mark 10:17-22
Do you think it's easy to believe that all these nice religious people will perish unless they join Jesus' group? John 3:16; 14:6

Well Jesus said it's by their FRUITS you will know them. No matter how nice they may appear to be, what they call their group or the religious titles they hold publicly as long as their ministry fails to produce the fruit of faith they are on the road to destruction! Matthew 7:13-23

blowjohn:
Hmm. And God is saving souls thru them? And breaking yokes thru them? Oh well

Be careful all these antagonists have different opinions about God {Luke 11:23} it's only when they hear the group name "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" that they will all merge forces but afterwards they are perpetual enemies!

So this is why we often respond to them! Proverbs 26:5

We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

When praying most people feel God owes them but for one to become a friend of God it's not about making demands the first time Abraham makes a demand from his friend (God) was when his friend told him two cities are about to be destroyed along with all the inhabitants.
But today many just feel like asking God for anything even when it has nothing to do with friendship with God!

Paul said it is beneficial (profitable) for :
reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work! 2Timothy 3:16-17

So no matter how people praise any book if it's content can't help to reprove, settle matters and correct people to do what is right so that those adhering to the book can be fully competent and completely equipped for fine WORKS, such a book is not inspired by the true God!

MaxInDHouse:
The obsolete English "Hell" simply means "Grave" So YES you are going to your grave at death!

There are two types of death!
First Death: Adamic sin cursed this one so whether you're good or evil it will affect you as a descendant of Adam {Romans 5:12 compare to Psalms 49:7-9} all those affected by this death will be raised back to life since they never choose to be rebellious as perfect humans. John 5:28-29

Second Death: This is direct judgment from God so anyone that comes under this category will never be remembered because they have proved to be worthless and ungrateful to the Creator! Psalms 9:17

A suicider is telling God directly that life means nothing to him or her by killing, the law that says you must not kill {Exodus 20:13} also includes a suicider!

See desperation!

Even when there comes in a honest hearted and sincere individual they just wish such ones join their confusion.
Lying atheist say a JWs will say people will burn in hell when JWs don't even believe in Hell!

FxMasterz:
Why should Jesus convince all those that agreed with me regarding a topic? Is there any need convincing someone who is in agreement with you? SMH.

And I never even talked about Jesus convincing anybody including you. You need to meet Jesus and infact you earnestly need to meet Him. Everything would change. All you need is an encounter.

You don't need asking questions since you have dropped your opinion nah!

blowjohn:
Ok. So not to repeat my other questions in the reply I gave to ur reply on my comment in it's entirety, wud u call Methodist, Anglican, Redeemed, apostolic faith etc not God founded?

Jesus said "you will know the truth and the truth will set you free" {John 8:32} Jesus' words here means knowing how to distinguish between false religions and true religion.

Before 1914 all existing religions (including the one later called JWs today) are in the dark spiritually speaking as they don't understand what Christianity is all about.
Satan killed all the pioneers of this group in the first century and as the attack continue many disciples ran away so they're unable to assemble and do the work Jesus commissioned {Matthew 28:19-20} that's how a Roman emperor established his own religion merging Roman gods with the ideas of other pagan custom then adding the name of Jesus to it this is called Roman Catholic Church.
This politically oriented religionists started going from city to city forcing their religion on everyone. Later when England gained power over Rome the bishop in England decided to change things but the Pope in Rome stood his ground that the church belongs to Rome and so the first protestant group broke away from the Catholic Church: Anglo-Catholic Church this means it's still the same religion but it's now belongs to the English.

That's how many began protesting and forming their religion until the year 1914 but none of them practice what Jesus taught in the first century, no wonder Jesus doubted if what he established will continue until the endtime when he will return as a mighty spirit being to inspect the group! Luke 18:8

So when Jesus returned that year 1914 all the religions believe strongly in their human founders so they don't want to make any amendments except the group called International Bible Students Association (IBSA) that's why Jesus chose them and started correcting them. In fact many people wonder how Jehovah's Witnesses have changed so many things the group believe conveniently.
But that's the work of Jesus!
Today only JWs have improved so much in the way they go about the preaching and teaching campaign Jesus commissioned and not only that we have stopped all pagan holidays like Christmas, New year, Easter and many more but all these changes began in the year 1914.

What about preaching?
All religions claiming Christians will send their members to the streets disturbing passersby and passengers in buses with noise, only JWs do go from house to house taking permission before preaching to householders as Jesus did! Matthew 12:19

So they've all gone off course that's why only JWs could produce the fruit of faith which is forming a global family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} while politics won't allow others to keep Jesus' command to love their neighbours as themselves nor their fellow believers! Mark 12:31; John 13:34-35

This commentator has finished them all with hard fact so let them go and bite him!

43Ronin:
I am not trying to hold brief for Jwits, but I think its extremely hypocritical to criticise their view on this as a Christian. before i became a gnostic this is the teaching of all Christian denominations. the reason why catholics do infant baptism and other denominations do is to rid you off Original Sin(sin of adam) the catholics believ if a baby dies before baptism, he/she cannot enter heaven- they go to purgatory. Now other Christians do not believe in purgatory so I ask if the baby of a Christian dies before baptism what happens to the child. I am expecting answers from everyone that is a practising Christian including Maxindhouse, kobojunkie, etc.
thanks

Janosky:
No mind that dishonest clown. When everything he posted is still very fresh on this thread,he is denying his previous comments.

He rushed in here after my post has weakened him on another thread thinking he has something tangible to say but after all his hullabaloo supporting atheists and traditionalists like tctrills and cohorts he's now claiming Christianity.
Ọmọ let them agree within themselves first jàre i'm waiting for anyone with a solid organized group not some just liars hiding behind none denominational churches!

Janosky:
jaephoenix Isaiah 43:10 "Chewbacca Defense or Ignorance of Obsfuscation" of LDS Church in the screenshots is still very fresh.
LDS did NOT claim Isaiah 43:10 for their doctrine, LYING doctor without SABIFICATE.
Awon so called medical doctor filled with DECEIT exposed on Nairaland.
Jaephoenix might even be claiming a certificate he does NOT own.

I am his target so once i stop responding to him he will leave the thread, to him all these so called believers are fools he's just using them to get back at me. That's why i ignored him completely.
Meanwhile his other account i have banned from mentioning me that's why he switched to this one now that i've caught him on this i will watch out for another account that he will use to engage me!

Janosky:
You mean ALL your post about Noah's flood you NEVER referenced any portion of scriptures in your post?
Awon child of God PROVEN fruit -dishonest.
You are very dishonest, FxMasterz DECEIVING HIMSELF

Janosky, you no dey fear o!

Are you talking to:
a servant of Christ. A member of His body serving the Lord
Like that?

FxMasterz:
I am a servant of Christ. A member of His body serving the Lord in hope of His coming and the glorious resurrection of the saints.

Abeg my hand no dey there o!

Janosky:
LDS DID NOT, NEVER made any claim about
Isaiah 43:10, according to the Screenshots PROVEN evidence.
Isaiah 43:10(ASV) "Jehovah's witnesses" is the name of Jehovah God calls His chosen servants.
Isaiah 43:10 Nah for JWs, confirmed.

Christendom DO NOT claim ANYTHING about Isaiah 43:10, you jaephoenix alias LottiOk LYING TO YOURSELF & DECEIVING gullible folks on Nairaland.

Awon (so called) medical doctor filled with DECEIT.

Let them go and agree among themselves first then JWs will take them serious till then nothing for them! Luke 11:23

tctrills:
You point is that because you believe that Jesus exist, you feel it's ok to create an organization based on guesswork and dishonesty? How does that even make sense to you

Go and convince your friends at least they are in agreement with you!

delkuf:
the Lord Jesus Christ can never be angel Michael. Angels are messengers. They minister to us. So the Lord Jesus Christ can never be an angel

OK!

tctrills:
The bible is not your opinion.

tctrills:
When Jesus Christ said Children would inherit heaven he meant your Stephen Leth is a lair.
And now you guys need more lies to cover his ass

At least you have many here who doesn't even agree with you that Jesus exist not to talk of those who doesn't believe the Bible.
Hen go and tell those ones your truth nah abi your truth hates them?

FxMasterz:
That's only because that's how far you can currently see. The product never knows that other compartments exist until its taken there. He always thinks his current compartment is the best, and infact the final destination. You felt that way while you were still a Muslim. You're feeling same way now as a JW. When you meet Jesus, you'll know the difference. It's not a matter of what you want. It's the manufacturer that decides.

Continue lying to your soul!

Tell your Jesus to help you convince all those that agreed with you on this topic first before thinking about JWs! John 17:22

delkuf:
No I don't know is beginning. Do care to share

Apart from the Almighty God everything else has a beginning that's why the Bible refer to Jesus Christ as the first to be born during creation! Colossians 1:15
After God created him they both spend quality time together like a father and His son until his father decided to make other things which will serve as property or inheritance for God's only begotten Son. God wants His Son to happily participate in this great work that's how Jesus (as a spirit creature) became like a master worker beside his father {Proverbs 8:30} John the apostle wrote about Jesus saying:
In the beginning the word was there, he was with God and he was the person who came to represent God like a god! John 1:1 compare to Exodus 7:1
He was the only person with God in the beginning so nothing we see today came into existence in his absence! John 1:2-3

Later His father used him to create many things including angels in heaven all of them are like sons to the Almighty {Job 38:7} but this firstborn became their commander that's why he is referred to as the Archangel. His spirit name before earthly mission is Michael.

Though many do feel he couldn't be called an angel but all other heavenly sons of God are referred to as angels (messengers) so when his father SENT him to the earth to deliver a life saving message Bible scholars agreed that Jesus (Michael) is also one of God's messengers (angels)

But that's not what we need to learn about him rather all we need is the model he came to set as standard for mankind! 1Peter 2:21

That's why his earthly name and the personality he built is most important to anyone who wants to be saved! John 3:16

FxMasterz:
You're still on a journey. A glorious product undergoing a factory process. When the manufacturer is done with the current process, He'll move you to the next compartment. He'll move you from compartments to compartments until you become a finished product ready to bring Glory and honour to the manufacturer. You'll have a different story to tell on the day you meet Jesus.

I don't want your Jesus i'm OK being one of Jehovah's Witnesses!