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tctrills:
Wrong guesswork. Where is this written in the scripture? You don't need to make things up for argument's sake. In fact, after the death of John, baptism continued so you are clearly wrong. There were many after him. Baptism still goes on today.

Disguised athiest claiming believer!
Why not contend the fact that Jesus is the one and only person called Christ in the Bible?
Ọmọ you just feel like talking back at least any honest hearted and sincere individual can see that you're just an impostor claiming believer!

There has never been any baptizer before John and there was none apart from Jesus' disciples baptizing people into Christianity.

John baptized the Jews in preparation for the coming of the Christ so he knows nothing about Christianity but the laws of Moses but the apostles were baptizing people not for the Mosaic laws anymore rather they're baptizing people into Christ.

Ọmọ humble yourself and learn arguing blindly out of pride won't lead you nowhere, i purposely take you up on this to expose you as an atheist questioning the faith.
You have no church to attend unlike real believers that subject themselves to the same line of thought with other believers {Ephesians 4:3} that's why you can't point to any church because you're an atheist disguising! 2Corinthians 11:14-15

MightySparrow:
Okay is it illiterate that annoyed you. Biko. Did I really call you illiterate? No.
A lawyer will call you uneducated because you are an illiterate when it comes to the issue of law.

In the matter of Holy Spirit and His gifts that JWs outlaws?
Is it safe to say you are........?

Prove it by telling me why your hopeless, worthless and useless Papa goes about with fully armed guards if he knows anything about the Holy Spirit!

geoworldedu:
Take am


[46] And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: [47] And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem

Next Argument pls. Jehovah's Witnesses never give up except if you ask them to pray

My guy, this is what you said earlier:

geoworldedu:
What the bible said is that Jesus came to remove sin, but it ended up as coming to waste his life for nothing.

All i asked from you is to quote the verse not talking Jehovah's Witnesses or Deeperlife or RCCG.

So quote where you get that information!

tctrills:
That's my point, Just because it was not mentioned does not mean you should assume.

Ooooooollllleeeeeee!
Thief, Forming believer!

The reason (according to the scriptures) why Jesus is calling the Messiah (Christ) is because there has never been any before his time nor will there ever be after him, also the reason why John is called the baptist is because there has never been any baptizer before him nor will there ever be after him.
In fact that's why Jesus could say about John the baptist:

"Truly I say to you, among those born of women, there has not been raised up anyone greater than John the Baptist, but a lesser person in the Kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is" Matthew 11:11

John baptized the Jews in preparation for the coming of the Christ and he also baptized the Christ himself but he will not partake of the baptism of Holy Spirit whereas those following Jesus will baptize people into Christ and also partake of the baptism of the Holy Spirit!

Stop arguing blindly if you don't know something we will teach you the meaning of those sacred writings, i won't ask you a single question if i don't have the answer ready because we know Christ's brothers and we have humbled ourselves to learn from them!

tctrills:
Another guesswork. How do you know they were not baptized? Must you assume? The only Apostle whose baptism is recorded is Paul not even Peter. So don't say what you don't know.

Funny atheist!
Has anything called baptism been mentioned before in the Bible?
Why do you think the first person who initiated baptism was called "John the baptist"?

Guy never was anyone baptized before the time of John the baptist so pick another lie!

delkuf:
I assume you are talking about the 144 thousands people. So if only a limited number will make heaven why do we all need to believe and live a holy life

How many are in Abuja ruling over 200M Nigerians?

Well it's a limited number of Israelites that God foretold will rule with the Christ in Jerusalem {Isaiah 2:3; 9:6-7} while the whole earth will enjoy the benefits of God's Kingdom! Psalms 37:9-11, 29; Proverbs 2:20-22

Later ten tribes separated themselves from the government in Jerusalem that's why they're called "Samaritans" remaining just three southern tribes Judah, Benjamin and Levi these three are called "Jews" till today so when Jesus came he emphasized that he only had business with the Jews {Matthew 10:6; 15:24} because God has given only the Jews the privilege that the whole 12 supposed to enjoy! Zechariah 8:23

But the Jews rejected Jesus Christ after killing many of God's prophets in Jerusalem so Jesus declared that Jerusalem has been condemned {Matthew 23:37-38} and the privileged given to another nation {Matthew 21:43} when Jesus started tell his disciples all the evil that will befall their beloved city Jerusalem {Matthew 24:1-2} they became devastated that's why Jesus promised this few Jews that they shouldn't worry because he will go back to where he came from and PREPARE a place where they will stay with him and rule over the earth forever! John 14:1-3

So heaven wasn't part of God's plan from the beginning it was mainly created for spirit beings while earth is man's permanent home {Psalms 115:16} but Jesus begged his father and God granted Jesus' request that's why a limited number is going with Jesus to heaven.

Note how Jesus put it in that Bible book of John 14:1-3 he is going to PREPARE this clearly shows that there was no preparation for humans to live in heaven before then that's why Jesus told his disciples that those going there can't live as humans anymore rather they will be transformed into angels! Luke 20:34-36

MightySparrow:
Haha! Why insults nah. No idea about the topic?

What about my first post that you stupidly quoted?

MightySparrow:
MaximumSide is like an illiterate who didn't go to school and telling people that there's nothing in education. The scriptures cannot be broken.

If you and your hopeless, worthless and useless Papa has an idea about the GIFT of God's Holy Spirit the bald headed greedy fowl won't be going about with fully armed security guards yet lying to you that he has the power of Holy Spirit!

tctrills:
The Bible says you can't be part of God's kingdom if you are not born again.

God's word has listed names of faithful people who never had or did anything pertaining to water or spirit baptism and they were faithful all their lives. Jesus even said John the baptist will not be part of a certain group of people {Matthew 11:11-12} so you don't understand what you're quoting, athiests!

Puremind1225:
Do you really know the mind of God?

The Bible has revealed it that's why people are preaching and teaching about God's plan otherwise there's no reason to preach about what God will do to either the good or wicked if we know nothing about the mind of God!

onatisi:
yes there are still some very few men of God . although they are very few and please lets remember what happened during the time of Elijah when he told God that he was the only prophet remaining, God told him that no there are still many more prophets like him . ALTHOUGH THE VAST MAJORITY OF MINISTERS ARE JUST BUSINESSMEN AND NOT SERVANTS OF GOD .

Casting out demons supernaturally is a GIFT of the Holy Spirit but this gift wasn't transfered to Christians from other nations it was strictly meant for Jewish disciples of Christ {Matthew 15:24} by the time Christianity began spreading to other nations the gifts ceased {1Corinthians 13:8-10} many people finds it really hard to accept this fact so they just act or play along when their pastors are deceiving them! 2Timothy 3:13

After Christianity has been accepted by the people of other nations it was only the love of God and neighbours {Mark 12:29-31} that has continued till our day but supernatural powers turned to drama that agents of Satan {2Corinthians 11:14} are using to defraud gullible and insincere crowds! Matthew 7:21-23

tctrills:
I am educated bro

Exactly what all atheists often say!

tctrills:
You are right so we prove their doctrines with the word of God.

You're a loony atheist guy if there's any group you meant as "WE" you supposed to present them so everyone can observe the practical application of what the Bible says in order to get the benefits but you're an atheist who only feel proud and not ready to submit to the same line of thought with anyone so there's no "WE" anywhere it's just you and you alone!

tctrills:
So this is where you contradict yourself. Each of the 40k sects would present a different verse or interpretation of deciding the right group. For example you guys claim non involvement in politics and wars is how to figure the right group. 7 Adventist claim worshiping on Saturday is the right way. The pentecostals claim speaking in tongues.
So the only way we can have a discuss is by proving these doctrines with the bible.
The bible is the only common denominator.

You're lying to your own soul!
If it's just by quoting and arguing Jesus won't say "by their FRUITS you will know them" {Matthew 7:16-18} the fruit of faith is not just a dogma like speaking in tongues or worshiping in a certain day rather it's something that should be of great benefits to everyone {Isaiah 1:18} if we all WORK towards it {James 2:18-26} there are many religions with different books and each has their own dogma as written in their books but the Bible stands out for one reason: what it teaches is not just obeying some useless rules without benefits that's why the Author revealed the benefits expected of His true worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

tctrills:
It doesn't matter what you feel the definition of an atheist is but that does not change it's true meaning. You are not the dictionary. You are just another man on the street with zero authority.

Atheists are people who doesn't want willing submission to any line of thought unless they are forced to comply with WEAPONS.
That is what you are and that's why you're arguing up and down never ready to comply to the teaching of any group of worshipers yet claiming a believer!

Azrael001:
The Bible is Fiction

So there's no reason for you coming to argue with those that believe in what the Bible says!

tctrills:
My goal was never to present you with a group it is only to point out the errors of your ways.

Lying atheist!
Who taught you how to find errors in what others say about the Bible?
There are over 41,000 different sects claiming denominations with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.
So all of them are wrong going by the opinion of each group therefore if you can't present a group for everyone to see the FRUIT of their faith {Matthew 7:16-18} how can you truly say what a group teaches is WRONG?
Only atheists jump from place to place condemning the teachings of religious groups without presenting their own group because they're just looking for ways to justify their faithlessness.
So ọmọ you are a confirmed atheist!

TheMadame:
Is it that Apostle Paul was not aware of the virgin birth being a late convert to Christianity or was there a hidden reason why he fails to mention the virgin birth in any of his letters?

Paul is a Jew so the scriptures is not strange to him regarding the virgin birth of Christ {Isaiah 7:14} he referred to this as the elementary things about the Christ and told his Jews brothers in faith to move on to maturity with solid spiritual food! Hebrews 5:12

Solid spiritual food are teachings that's not of past things that are not to be overemphasize rather the things that we are hoping for which will serve as valid proof of what was written about the Christ!

geoworldedu:
What the bible said is that Jesus came to remove sin, but it ended up as coming to waste his life for nothing.

Can you quote where the highlighted is written word for word or you're just speculating?

tctrills:
Nairaland is not the platform. Its only my platform for fun.

LIAR!
It's either you're in or you're out there's no sitting on the fence. If you want to learn then you continue asking questions from everyone but coming to say someone is wrong yet you can't present any group of worshipers who are getting things right it simply makes you an atheist!
You always say you're here to catch fun when you are asked questions but when others are chatting based on what they've learned from their churches hopeless, worthless and useless athiests like you will jump in saying they're wrong whereas you have no school of thought to present as the source of your idea.
If everyone is quoting the Bible just as you are doing then there's no need saying anyone is wrong because anybody can quote and interpret what he quoted to his own opinion.
Guy you're a confirmed atheists deceiving yourself!

MightySparrow:
Can't just station a topic, why jumping like s monkey?

If Papa failed to tell you the evidence of God's Holy Spirit because he's a greedy fowl why can't you just stay of my mention when i've warned you to stop quoting me?

Anytime you want to quote me come with your brains not atheistic arguments simply because you don't agree with what i typed.
I have told you several times that you and i aren't on the same page!

MightySparrow:
Are you the one to call me an atheist or God whom I serve who knows me by name?
I beg go and sit down. I know my God . I don't know if you know yours.
You boast about your organization,, I boast about knowing God. Be bragging about your community truth.
Jer. 9: 24;Daniel 11: 32.

You know your god whose spirit can give you and your Papa the ability to spew gibberish claiming you have the gift of Holy Spirit like God's prophets but your Papa depend on fully armed guards with weapons to protect him unlike God's prophet.
Atheist, you're a fool after 40!

geoworldedu:
It is the eye of Jehovah's witness you are trying to explain. I am talking through the eye of Christianity and,not through JW which is not Christianity. Or is JW Christian?

Your question is biblical so if you're seeking a honest answer consider what the Bible say!

tctrills:
you can't understand but honestly, I have a life outside social media and clearly Nairaland is not a smart way of sharing my beliefs.

LIAR!
If you truly have a life outside social media and you don't want to get involved in what is happening here you wouldn't be here always questioning the faith and the Bible!

tctrills:
Today, I have two verses I want us to contemplate on. These verses help explain the origin of man.
Hebrews 11:13
“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.”

Psalm 119:19 I am a stranger in the earth: hide not thy commandments from me.
If we are strangers and pilgrims on the earth, then clearly our journey did not begin on earth. Where did our journey begin?

Why is it that you don't answer questions but keep asking if truly you believe in God's word?

If someone should help you answer the above highlighted question you will still argue but do you think Adam existed before God created him out of the dust?
Ọmọ you're an atheist. All creatures are products of reproductive system after the first pair created directly by God! Genesis 1:20-28

Only BORN AGAIN Christians can answer this question not atheists forming believer that's why we must humbly learn from them!

tctrills:
Oga I am not a nairaland pastor like you. I am not here for marketing

LIAR!
If you know the truth why not help in answering instead of asking questions on a forum that's full of athiests, agnostics, Judaists, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Traditionalists and many more?

Ọmọ you're a disguised athiest that's why you are always questioning the faith instead of answering questions regarding faith so stop deceiving yourself!

tctrills:
No where in the bible did Christ call any of his followers a born again. It's a personal thing. And yes the Gentiles got converted from the words of the Jewish apostles but the rewards are the same for both Jews and Gentiles. Now let me write it again please read.

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Do you see? The blessings are the same for both the Jews and Gentiles. No difference. Please show this to your American teachers and ask them to explain.

The blessings aren't the same otherwise Jesus won't say something special is for the Jews {Matthew 10:6; 15:24} and the book of Revelation chapters 7 & 14 clearly revealed that there is a special number 144,000 and say that number is limited to Israelites only! Revelations 7:5-8; 14:1
So why not explain what happens in those verses if you truly believe in God's word and not some useless athiest looking for cheap arguments?

tctrills:
I understand your spiritual slave masters teach you that it is evil to ask questions but the bible does not say so. These guys want you to remain under their chains. Bro learn to ask questions

Oya go and ask those teaching you nah {Hebrews 13:7, 17} if we don't ask questions how do you think we are here answering questions and quoting verses with efficacy?
Perhaps after teaching JWs our GB also give us a powerful charm to remember quoting verses to answer worthless atheists like you? Luke 12:11-12

SeniorMan715:
Far from that even blood that has been properly cross/examines matched can suppress the immune system, create room for infections and adverse reaction is proven by science, some doctor now prefer to use JWs treatment method in their patients.

My brother, the major cause of strange illnesses today is blood transfusion but haters of truth won't like it as long as it's coming from the path of FAITH!

MightySparrow:
Ọlọpa ewo n' tele?
What relevance is this to the question?

What have i got to do with atheists like you?

I have told you that you and i aren't on the same page so stop quoting or mentioning me!

Always asking questions about the Bible and Christ without directing anyone to the BORN AGAIN Christian church where they can get answers shey?

Why must you lie nah?

According to Jesus Christ his Jewish disciples are the first set of teachers who must go out teaching others {Matthew 28:20} they are the BORN AGAIN that Christ will come into their midst anytime they're two or three in number so Christ can guide their thinking to the right answers when searching the scriptures {Matthew 18:20} so gentiles must rely on what this Jews teaches even though they need to verify by correlating what the Jewish Christians told them with what the prophets penned down about the Christ {Act 17:11} that's how Jesus Christ commissioned Christianity.

So if you can't direct anyone to the church in which the BORN AGAIN Christians are teaching the truth about faith in Christ {Hebrews 13:7, 17} then you're a liar deceiving yourself.
According to Christianity there are teachers who are BORN AGAIN Christians {Ephesians 4:11} it's the BORN AGAIN Christians that must teach others to handle these responsibilities.

Ọmọ if you don't know all these but always questioning what the scriptures say on a forum not in a church where BORN AGAIN Christians are present to enlighten you then you're simply making mockery of God's word!

tctrills:
Wrong again.
Going by my threads I have great faith in the bible and I don't depend on guesswork but the revealed words.
And like every child of God, I am not afraid to ask questions.
Unlike you, you have no faith in the bible but in the words of old American men.
Unlike you, I read and learn before I argue a point but you just feed on what a white man tells you.
Now tell me, who among us is faithless.
You believe in some white men while I believe in God.

Guy going by your threads you have no faith in the Bible so you're just arguing blindly!

https://www.nairaland.com/6771978/man-advise-god-make-him
https://www.nairaland.com/6783378/why-did-bible-end-revelations
https://www.nairaland.com/6849153/how-many-fathers-heaven
https://www.nairaland.com/6909313/god-spirit-what-does-it
https://www.nairaland.com/6945720/what-curse-ada
https://www.nairaland.com/6941774/why-dont-people-die-churches
https://www.nairaland.com/6961839/conceived-jesus-christ-father-holy
https://www.nairaland.com/6952514/gods-firstborn-jesus-christ-isreal
https://www.nairaland.com/7081153/what-function-holy-ghost
https://www.nairaland.com/7093441/did-jesus-die-those-lived
https://www.nairaland.com/7087883/adam-not-cause-mankinds-problems
https://www.nairaland.com/7179228/world-coming-end-it-getting
https://www.nairaland.com/7232550/god-sabbath-it-jesus-christ
https://www.nairaland.com/6970625/does-bible-endorse-human-sacrifice
https://www.nairaland.com/7268407/why-did-god-plant-good
https://www.nairaland.com/7339047/generation-having-less-sex-5han
https://www.nairaland.com/7453647/these-last-days
https://www.nairaland.com/7499141/did-god-really-curse-man
https://www.nairaland.com/7515028/those-never-heard-jesus-what

tctrills:
So as I was saying Christ sent his Apostles to all creatures not just the Jews. Let's read from Mark
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
To those that believe, he gave the very same blessing not minding if they are Jews.

Yes the gospel came to the Jews first but the blessings are the same.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

So let's stop this guesswork. For you to be saved, you need to be born again. Jew or gentile

Also I love the fact that I live rent free in your head.
You even keep the record of all my activities on Nairaland.
You are the best fan I will ever have

Snitch24:
B like hunger never wire this one lmao
Food na food

That is the right time to abstain it's the right kind of fasting not going through hunger strike after eating foods sacrificed to idols!

tctrills:
No he came to save the whole world. He came to bring salvation to both Jews and gentiles. He died for all. Its foolish of you to think he came only for the Jews and you are still a Christian? Please read this verses below to understand.
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Its exactly the same blessing for those who believe through the words of the Apostles (The bible) no difference in their blessings. Do you get it now.This again is a foolish idea. Churches are not born again, people are. Jesus Christ never spoke of a born again church.
Let me quote his very words.
Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
He did not say except a church is born again so that shows the weakness in your question.

Atheist claiming believer!


https://www.nairaland.com/6771978/man-advise-god-make-him
https://www.nairaland.com/6783378/why-did-bible-end-revelations
https://www.nairaland.com/6849153/how-many-fathers-heaven
https://www.nairaland.com/6909313/god-spirit-what-does-it
https://www.nairaland.com/6945720/what-curse-ada
https://www.nairaland.com/6941774/why-dont-people-die-churches
https://www.nairaland.com/6961839/conceived-jesus-christ-father-holy
https://www.nairaland.com/6952514/gods-firstborn-jesus-christ-isreal
https://www.nairaland.com/7081153/what-function-holy-ghost
https://www.nairaland.com/7093441/did-jesus-die-those-lived

SeniorMan715:
Blood transfusion have a lot of risks, like blood-borne diseases, immune-system reactions, human errors, and many more. Every year hundreds of thousands have adverse reactions to blood, and many dies.
My Quack Physician isn't enlighten

You're probably saying all these because you're one of Jehovah's Witnesses shey?

O yeah but he surely said he primarily came for Jews only {Matthew 10:6; 15:24} and the prophecy said people of the nations has to rely on Jews to gain salvation! Zechariah 8:23

So if you can't present a church where all members are BORN AGAIN continue deceiving yourself!

tctrills:
In a nutshell, religions are not born again Individuals are.
Christ did not say your church needs to be born again. He said you must be born again. It is the person that is born again not the church.
So please stop the guess work.
There are millions of individuals who are born again not the church.
Do you now understand.
Again Christ never said only Jews are to be born again. Please stop the lies.

SeniorMan715:
How can a good physician say there are more advantages of blood transfusions than disadvantages.

I wonder how people in the past managed to live longer without blood transfusion if it has more advantages than disadvantages!

geoworldedu:
After the sacrifice of god, sin did not subside, rather it seems worse. That is a glaring evidence that god and his son failed woefully like Buhari and APC.

God never promised that the whole world will become a Paradise without first destroying rebellious and disobedient humans that's what Jesus meant when he said "just as it happened in the days of Noah"
So you're having wrong expectation, if you lived during the time of Noah you won't expect everyone to be righteous nah, if everyone is righteous why destroying them?