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    But you, on your part, must keep the commandments I am giving you today. "I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites.
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    Take care, therefore, not to make a covenant with these inhabitants of the land that you are to enter; else they will become a snare among you.
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    1 Tear down their altars; smash their sacred pillars, and cut down their sacred poles.
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    2 You shall not worship any other god, for the LORD is 'the Jealous One'; a jealous God is he.
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    Do not make a covenant with the inhabitants of that land; else, when they render their wanton worship to their gods and sacrifice to them, one of them may invite you and you may partake of his sacrifice.
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    Neither shall you take their daughters as wives for your sons; otherwise, when their daughters render their wanton worship to their gods, they will make your sons do the same.
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    "You shall not make for yourselves molten gods.
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    "You shall keep the feast of Unleavened Bread. For seven days at the prescribed time in the month of Abib you are to eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you; for in the month of Abib you came out of Egypt.
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    "To me belongs every first-born male that opens the womb among all your livestock, whether in the herd or in the flock.
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    The firstling of an ass you shall redeem with one of the flock; if you do not redeem it, you must break its neck. The first-born among your sons you shall redeem. "No one shall appear before me empty-handed.
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    "For six days you may work, but on the seventh day you shall rest; on that day you must rest even during the seasons of plowing and harvesting.
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    3 "You shall keep the feast of Weeks with the first of the wheat harvest; likewise, the feast at the fruit harvest at the close of the year.
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    Three times a year all your men shall appear before the Lord, the LORD God of Israel.
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    Since I will drive out the nations before you to give you a large territory, there will be no one to covet your land when you go up three times a year to appear before the LORD, your God.
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    "You shall not offer me the blood of sacrifice with leavened bread, nor shall the sacrifice of the Passover feast be kept overnight for the next day.
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    "The choicest first fruits of your soil you shall bring to the house of the LORD, your God. "You shall not boil a kid in its mother's milk."

DavidDylan:
Amazing how fundamentalist athiests feel they have the divine authority to teach us about our own way of life . . . yeah the very same one they utterly despise.

Have you "studied properly" instead of swallowing everything ur equally deluded athiest brethren slap at you like a brainwashed drone?

osejemen:
The Roman catholic church belives in porgatry,Do UIf yes prove it.

huxley:
Expert,

are you demented or what? What kind of post is this you are posting? Who do you think will read such rubbish?

coolruler:
@Bastage et al,
Its a common fact that no single religion on earth is "pure". Every religion borrows from those before it and around it. That is why the Biblical manuscripts have been heavily influenced by Egyptian mythology and Greek philosophy.
The story of creation has parallels in Egyptian, Greek and Sumerian mythologies
The 10 commandments has its parallel in ancient Egypt
The life and times of Jesus Christ also has its own parallels in other even more ancient religions

So you see, nothing is really new under the Sun

Bastage:
Why should I keep having to hunt for links? You have Google don't you?

Anyway. I found this one:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_10cl.htm

You can find the Book of the Dead at:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/ebod/index.htm

Bastage:
This has to be one of the biggest jokes that there is - a universal god prophesising for a tribal god.
Only the Muslims could be so illogical.

Allah is no different from Yaweh. The former came out of the latter and the latter evolved out of the Egyptian god Set.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_(god)

The fact that the Christian Christ is the "arch-enemy" of Set and therefore the arch-enemy of Allah and Yaweh, always seems to slip the literalists minds of all 3 religions.

Bastage:
The Commandments were probably originally plagiarised from the Egyptian Book of the Dead before being given a Hebrew twist:

'Not have I despised god, Not have I killed, Not have I fornicated, Not have I despoiled the thing of the god, not have I defiled the wife of a man, Not have I cursed god, Not have I borne false witness'.

As part of the Egyptian (Hyskos) royalty, the Hebrews (and Moses in particular) would have been well aware of this book and would have studied it many times. It would have quite literally been their Bible before the exodus.

Chrisbenogor:
@elvis
So you believe the commandments were from God abi? Did you read the link bastage posted?
@kunle
It even saddens me that the creation story was sliced and merged with another, moses had no hand in writing any of those books and they were compiled probably by ezra from other existing documents hence the repetitions. Don't you think the average christian needs to know this, these churches are wicked!

Chrisbenogor:
Kunle, I gave you more credit than this. There is no other record aside from the one bastage pointed out, there is absolutely no record of a Jesus christ aside from the four gospels whose authors are unknown till today. Matthew mark luke and john were not the people who really wrote those books, I suppose you have heard of the synoptic problem, and the document Q. The gospels were copied from mark and another source and the original mark does not even contain that Jesus resurrected so what are you talking about?
By the way there is no existing roman record of Pontious pilate writing anything to rome about jesus that is absolutely bull, the only evidence that pilate even existed at all was a stone that was discovered in the early 20th century.
What say you?

Pepeye:
The worth of a man is measured by the greatness of his adversaries. You measure a man’s importance by the power of his resistance; however the man that God will use will definitely collide with powerful forces because the message in his mouth will be resisted

The prophets of old were seriously persecuted, the apostles were striped naked, flogged and stoned, some were even killed, but they rejoiced in all these because they made God’s Word effective and obeyed His voice

The Lord Jesus Christ was also rejected and wasn’t received by His own, so goes to the great men of God.

Heb 6:12 “followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises”

Chrisbenogor:
Who is Jesus really?

@meexteriox
Please what Ignorance are you talking about, is it the ignorance that plunged Europe into the dark ages or the Ignorance and prosperity you are enjoying today as a result of science.

meexteriox:
Talking about GOD is not at all the same thing as experiencing GOD, or acting out GOD through our lives.

The bible is the only book in which GOD reveals his mind. Happy is he to whom GOD has given grace to read,
to fear, to obey its content. And better had they never been born who read to doubt or read to scorn. It is
the book that reveals the mind of GOD, the state of man, the way of salvation, the doom of sinners and the
happiness of beleivers.

I tell you all aethiest, it were better to have no opinion of GOD at all, than such an opinion as is unworthy
of him.

The Canonical Gospels




Most likely for no other reason than to round out the beasts of the apocalypse, John was chosen to be one of the four Gospels. For the sake of cohesive inerrancy, it would have been more beneficial in its absence. Although the author doesn’t venture too far on a tangent from the life of Jesus depicted in the other canon Gospels, there are some distinguished omissions in this account. The most notable absences are the exorcism of devils, the recitation of the Lord’s Prayer, Satan tempting Jesus in the wilderness, the transfiguration, the virgin birth from Mary, the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus’ proclamations of his return, and every last one of the parables. Scholars agree that the original Gospel of John started at 1:19 and ended at 20:31. Furthermore, they’ve determined that the remainder of the book seems heavily edited and reworked. For these reasons, John fails to be an unquestionably reliable and synoptic source of divine inspiration for the story of Jesus.

Scholars unanimously agree that Mark is the most primitive of the four canon Gospels. Its details are relatively less developed, consequently making this biography of Jesus very brief. Interestingly, Jesus’ primary biographer was obviously a distant Roman who never knew him. In fact, the original version of Mark doesn’t even contain Jesus’ appearance following his crucifixion (16:9-19)! This concession is made in the NIV but left out of the KJV. Even though the author was from Rome, he provided enough minor details to have a fair understanding of his subject. Why, then, would he leave out the indispensable element of the world’s most important story unless he lived during a period without a resurrection rumor?

Since about 80% of the verses in Mark appear verbatim in Matthew, we can seemingly tell that the author of Matthew used Mark as a template when writing his own account. However, he alters many of Mark’s details and adds several stories presumably unknown to its author. The Gospel of Matthew most certainly had a Jewish writer since he strives to correct many of the mistakes arising from Mark’s ignorance of local knowledge. Since we have no clear evidence that the author of Matthew was one of Jesus’ disciples, we can’t rule out the likely possibility of its author simply plagiarizing the Mark account in order to make it more acceptable to residents of the Middle East. It’s far too coincidental for the writings to match so well in some passages and contradict in others for there not to have been some minor transcribing taking place. Thus, we’ll analyze the contrasting details of the two accounts in order to exemplify the unreliability of the latest God-inspired product.

Mark (1:2) makes an incorrect reference to Hebrew scripture by quoting Malachi 3:1 as being the work of Isaiah. The KJV does not contain this error, although biblical translations concerned more with honesty and accuracy than advancing inerrancy leave the misattribution in the text. Needless to say, the more knowledgeable Matthew author doesn’t repeat Mark’s mistake. Mark also claims that only God can forgive the sin of another (2:7), but that’s a direct contrast to actual Jewish beliefs, which hold that other men can forgive sins as well. Again, Matthew drops this statement from the record (9:3). Mark mentions the region of Gadarenes being near a large body of water, but it’s about thirty miles from even a sizable lake (5:1). The Matthew author, realizing that Mark knows next to nothing about local geography, changes Gadarenes to Gergesenes, which is only a few miles from a lake (8:28).

Mark mentions multiple “rulers of the synagogue” even though almost all synagogues only had a single leader (5:22). The Matthew author corrected this phrase so that the reader could ambiguously interpret it as having only one ruler (9:18). Mark records Jesus ridiculing the ancient food laws set by God and Moses (7:18-19), but the author of Matthew, being a Jew, no doubt considered this to be sacrilegious and dropped the passage from his account (15:18-20). Mark also has Jesus misquoting one of the commandments as refraining from defrauding others (10:19). Meanwhile, Matthew strictly adheres to the exact commandments of Moses by omitting this curious deception rule but including the “love one another’’ summary commandment (19:18-19). The author of Mark strangely refers to David as “our father” (11:10). This is something no Jew would ever do because all Jews weren’t descendents of David. Seeing as how Abraham and Jacob would be the only individuals referred to in this manner, the desire for accuracy forces the Matthew author to correct another one of Mark’s blunders (21:9).

Mark also gets the traditional date for killing the Passover incorrect (14:12), but the Matthew author settles the mistake by omitting the phrase from his own work (26:17). The very next verse in Mark has Jesus ordering two of his disciples to locate a man bearing a pitcher of water (14:13). In Jewish culture, carrying pitchers of water was the work of a woman. Naturally, Matthew must drop this phrase as well (26:18). On the night of the crucifixion, Mark says that it’s the time before the Sabbath (15:42). Being a Roman, the author was obviously unaware that the Jewish day begins with the evening. Thus, the evening following the crucifixion wasn’t the night before the Sabbath; it was the start of it. Matthew must yet again omit one of Mark’s divinely inspired statements in the transcription (27:57). Unaware that the Sabbath had already arrived, Mark’s account has Joseph of Arimathaea buying linen to wrap around Jesus’ body (15:46). Because it was a sin to make purchases on the Sabbath, Matthew must consequentially drop that detail as well (27:59). Finally, Mark mentions “the fourth watch of the night” (6:48). The Jews actually divided the night into only three watches, while the Romans made the division into fourths.

The author of Matthew makes a few additional minor corrections from Mark’s account, but I trust that you get the point I’m attempting to convey. However uncomfortable it may feel, the divinely inspired author of the earliest Jesus biography, who seemingly invented details out of thin air, knew very little about what he was writing.

The Gospel of Luke begins with a surmised admission that the author didn’t personally experience any of the details contained within his account because he alleges the presence of eyewitnesses but fails to notify himself as one. Like Mark’s Gospel, Luke was probably narrated by an individual residing far from Jerusalem because he commits several translational errors when converting Old Testament Hebrew scripture into Greek. Additionally, in a manner similar to the way in which Mark was penned, Luke’s author goes into extensive detail on his explanations of local phenomena but not those pertaining to Rome. Following the lead of Matthew’s author, Luke’s consistent duplication of Mark’s verses seemingly indicates that he also relied heavily on that text when making his report. However, researchers soon discovered that they could not find 230 verses common to Matthew and Luke in the more ancient Mark.

The two more recent authors couldn’t have derived identical verses from a sole source void of necessary information. Consequently, we can only surmise the hypothetical existence of an even earlier document used by all three authors as a template. This deduction would eventually become known as the Q hypothesis (from the German Quelle, meaning source). The canonical appearance of quotes from Thomas’ Gospel reinforces the theoretical existence of Q. While Thomas was completed around the same time as John, it offered an entirely different perspective on the mystery of Jesus. Even though the Thomas account is nothing but a series of Jesus’ sayings, it may help to explain the origin of other Gospel material. Thus, it’s quite possible that a primitive set of quotes served as the foundation from which the Gospel legends arose. In such a scenario, the early Jews may have actually known a man who traveled about and shared his philosophies with a number of audiences. This individual may have even been executed for his heretical teachings. His followers would then collect these teachings on paper, only to later subject them to decades of human hyperbole.

IDINRETE:
Hi Chris
you need to check out neonostalgia.com for extensive scholarly debates

take care

Chrisbenogor:
Ok lets concentrate on the new testament, what do we know about the people who wrote the first five gospels.
I will start my research now, do you have any leads?
I do not want to allege anything.

Chrisbenogor:
@mazaje
Before I go on, I think we should first ascertain if these gospels of Jesus were penned down by the apostles or by some other people, were the original books dated?
It could be a really interesting investigation, well until the christian goons arrive.

kaboom:
u wont understand until u have an ecounter with jesus i pray that GOD himself will answer u like he did to job.

BloodShed:
I take it you watched Zeitgeist lol.

All I know is Christianity is just a remixed version of other Pagan religions, same for Islam.

I don't know whether Jesus ever existed, all I know is if so, muddafocka dead now lol.

I think sometimes we look TOO deeply into these myths and stories, I mean they're just stories for pete's sake.

By the way was the topic title aimed at me?