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Dark age. . . . .

Nice article. . . there is so much to be learned from it but this line of reasoning will hardly or never sell in nigeria. . . we have governors organizing a jambore and calling on citizens to pray for peace in the niger delta anything that man wants to do must be done by man himself but nigerians simply fail to understand that. . . . .

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=193703.msg3067478#msg3067478 date=1226342312]Learn how parrots talk - do animals talk?[/quote]stop deluding yourself pilgrim. . . .snakes do not eat dust, snakes and donkeys do not talk, stars do not and can never fall from the sky, bats are not birds, and no human can survive in the belly of a living whale for 3 days. . .they are all lies and myths. . . .

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=193703.msg3067474#msg3067474 date=1226342223]@mazaje,

Lol, play with these for the moment -


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Carlosein:
and mazaje the "thinker" is also clairvoyant

pilgrim lol are you kidding me? you are not serious. . . . .

DavidDylan:
Who is this funny guy?   Isaac Newton, Abraham Lincoln and co also fall into the category of non-thinkers?  

why do you keep dropping names? who told you they believe in all these things deep in their hearts of heart? just becuase they said so doesnt mean they do. . . . .times were different then and now they had no freedom to really express themselves when it came to religion, thomas jefferson dint believe in all that crap but in oder not to look like an apostate he created his own bible and did away with what he thought were prospestrous. . . .  Karl Rove is a non believer but it still professes his belief all the time because of the situation around him so what the heck are you talking about

DavidDylan:
Excellent. My point exactly.
Whether the stories in the bible are true or not is not an issue i would waste my time addressing with people who are too blind to reason outside the box.

My point is proved . . . the frankly disgusting idea that those who believe in the bible are necessarily those with no capacity to think is hereby debunked.

That is not true, during the time of issac newton belief was almost compulsary athiest were not given the chance to express themselves as it is today, belief was the wise thing to do at that time . . . .you just have to believe in something, if newton were to exist today i can assure you that he will hardly be a christain. . . if i tell you that  your computer flew from your room to your friends room you would'nt believe but then you believe that snakes eat dust because some men in acient history wrote that and you have been indoctrinated to believe that since childhood. . . . . .you believe that on the last days the stars will fall from the sky just as jesus said but the truth remains that stars can not and will never fall from the sky yet you still believe it because its in the bible even though its just impossible, stars are distant they are bigger than they earth and can not fall from the sky into the earth, jesus said that they will fall does that make it true?

DavidDylan:
Isaac Newton believed such "nonsense". Frankly speaking, your brain is no match for his small toe.

so? that fact that he believes them does'nt make them true does it? carl sagan doesnt and your brain is no match for his left testicle. . . . .

DavidDylan:
So only atheists can "think"?

no its people that believe that snakes eat dust that can think ohh i forgot its only people that believe in talking donkeys,talking snakes and a person living inside a whale for days that can think. . . .

what is the difference between this guy and our governors, ministers,senators,chairmen,pastors, imams and political leaders? the answer is NON. . . . .

vision 2020. . . . .

sick leader = sick nation. . . yaradua pls resign. . . . . .

czarenami derangenami. . . . . nonsense. . . . .by the way who is this slowpoke?

the only hell in this life is poverty, ignorance, close mindedness, and illetracy. . . [s]did i hear any one mention the democratic republic of congo? ohhh some one just wispered dafur. . . . [/s]

when will people get it that when you die you cease to exist? what and where is hell?

reverend king is an slowpoke. . . . .

the proportion is what you are supposed to look at compared to the population growth it has doubled but the population growth has'nt doubled. . . . . lets cut the bull the percentage of athiest has grown dramatically take it or leave it. . . .

the number of athiest are growing in america according to the pew reserch group the number is about 50 million now and growing that number was about 25 million in the 70's. . . . so what the heck are you guys saying?

DavidDylan:
the goal of the likes of chrisbenogor is not to engender a discourse but to subtly back you into a corner to forcefully accept their own position.

Chris believes God is "wicked", what else can you say to convince him otherwise?

Even Christ gave some up to reprobate minds and didnt bother wasting precious time with them. to the likes of Chris and Mazaje i say - believe whatever you wish, when (not if) you die you are free to go wherever u wish. To believe in a "wicked" God is not by force.
The way you go on rants about the bible, i wonder if someone forces you to read it at all.

your god killed babies in the bible because their parents worshipped other gods say it aint sotry to use your so called holy spirit to explain or justify that action. . . . you god taught people how to share virgin after leading them through a misguided warwhy do you go around ranting and mocking allah when he is no better than your own god? tell me the difference between allah and the old testament god or between mohammed and moses? nonsense. . . .

DavidDylan:
Why do teachers set an exam when they know some will fail anyway?

there are so many gods, allah,jesus,skivsna,balahugen,kameinsur,omigiusdasis etc. . . .

europeans are rapidly now moving past organized religion they have mostly been dechristainized, americans are gradually moving towards that direction too. . . . .

Tasma:
Mr. Kunle I fear you might be fighting a lost battle here. There are people that simply are not ready to look at the Bible critically believing that it is somehow wrong to do this. It's surprising how many Bible thumping Christians know so little about the origins of the Bible and the history and culture of Biblical times. I'm talking about real recorded verifiable history. Many of them back their absolute belief in the Bible with quotations of verses from the same Bible. I have been exposed to the Bible a lot and very early in life realised that one can at best read parts of it metaphorically, and still be able to take a message home from the reading. It's quite impossible to treat the Bible as the "undiluted" word of God. Paradoxically I think God would find it rather insulting that a compilation of books from all sorts of funny sources can be described as his infallible word.

I really feel what's going on here is more psychological. This people just have such a strong need to believe and any question of the book they believe in is a threat to them emotionally. Hence they find the need to continually take all sorts of impossible stances just so their boat is not rocked. For heaven's sake even the Catholic church that probably knows so many secrets about the origin of the modern day Bible are willing to have intelligent discourse about many parts of the Bible that they know are controversial.

Well I do wish you good luck Mr. Kunle but I suspect many here would never admit that there might even be the slightest flaw in the Bible even if plenty evidence is placed right before their eyes.

you have said it all, after watching banned from the bible with a christain friend he ended up saying that the devil was the one that placed the dead sea scrolls where they were and prompted the person that discovered them to discover them,he said that some of the christains that were featured in the documentary were agents of satan who will all rot in hell, i was awed. . . imagine how emotional and delutional people can get just to protect their faith and keep staying in their comfort zone. . . i have seen people here like davidylan and jesoul who claim that the people that were killed,brutalized and enslaved by the biblical god were fair game but they turn around and accuse allah for doing the same thing?. . . delutional generation. . . . .

Later in Genesis, we learn of a man named Judah who has three sons: Er, Onan, and Shelah. Seeing as how Er is “wicked in the sight of the Lord,” God kills him. For what reason God found him too evil, we could only speculate. Of course, there’s no reasonable guarantee that Er would have incurred a death sentence from an impartial jury. Following the slaying, God dictates Onan to impregnate and marry Er’s wife in order to continue Er’s family line. Since Onan seemingly believes in freewill and doesn’t feel that he should be required to do something he doesn’t want to do, he spills his seed on the ground instead of finishing intercourse inside of her. “And the thing he did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also” (Genesis 38:7-10). Again, the omniscient God should have known that Onan would fail to comply. Because God should have also realized that he would have to kill the disobedient Onan, why did he order him around in the first place? Does he now feel the need to have an excuse before murdering an innocent person? Was Onan destined to exist only as God’s slave? Are we all God’s oppressed pawns, created only to be shifted around for his amusement? Onan’s fate hardly seems just by enlightened standards.

The Ark of the Covenant was a sacred item that God demanded everyone to refrain from touching. The ancient Hebrews commonly believed that God even played the part of a genie by residing in the ark on occasion. Thus, when the Philistines steal this precious piece, God obviously becomes enraged. As they’re carrying it through different cities, God inflicts severe cases of hemorrhoids on all the inhabitants. Why God doesn’t just zap these thieves and return the ark to the Israelites without harming additional innocent bystanders is beyond me. Unbelievably, 50,070 people eventually die at the hands of God because they simply look into the ark (1 Samuel 4-6). That’s the equivalent of a moderately sized modern city dropping dead just for looking at something God didn’t want them looking at. It’s difficult to imagine a creature that can unleash punishments more evil than that, but God is continuously setting new standards for himself.

Once we see the ark in transit again, the cart and oxen transporting it move over a rough spot in the path and nearly shake the prized object to the ground. Out of what we could only consider pure reflex, Uzzah, who was accompanying the ark, places his hand on it to keep it steady. Uzzah’s instinctive, split-second decision to prevent God’s home from falling angers God enough to eradicate him from the earth (2 Samuel 6:6-7).

Since God commits scores of violent acts randomly throughout the remainder of the Old Testament, let’s look at a few examples. After delivering the Amorites into the hands of Joshua, he sends down a hailstorm in order to kill a large portion of the people who flee from battle (Joshua 10:8-11). God assists in the war between Barak and Sisera by surrounding Sisera’s army and forcing them to dismount from their chariots. Because of his intervention, Sisera’s entire army faces imminent death at the hands of Barak (Judges 4:14-15). God causes the Midianites to kill one another (Judges 7:22-23). He confuses the Philistines and causes them to kill one another (1 Samuel 14:20-23). He inflicts a number of people with blindness because Elisha asks him to do so (2 Kings 6:18). He causes a seven-year famine without specifying a reason (2 Kings 8:1). God kills Jeroboam because he’s the leader of the enemies (2 Chronicles 13:20). He kills Nabal without specifying a reason, but it’s probably because David desires his wife and other belongings (1 Samuel 25:38). God sends an angel to kill 185,000 men in an Assyrian camp because they’re enemies of his people (2 Kings 19:31-35). He plagues Azariah, a man labeled as a good King, with leprosy for the remainder of his life because he allows people to burn incense in a location displeasing to God (2 Kings 15:1-5). This is another great example of an overbearing punishment for breaking an asinine law. Some of our fellow humans were obviously destined to meet death early in life without any chance of redemption in God’s eyes.

God’s episodes of murdering innocent individuals for the faults of their leaders, fathers, or other ancestors are not uncommon in the Old Testament. Jephthah asks for God’s assistance in killing the children of Ammon and promises him the first person out of his house upon his return as a burnt sacrifice if he will agree to aid with the massacre. God concurs and lethally delivers the children of Ammon into Jephthah’s hands. When Jephthah returns, his daughter, an only child, makes her way outside to welcome him home. Two months later, Jephthah regretfully fulfills his promise by burning his daughter as a sacrifice to God (Judges 11:29-39). Why would God allow a man to offer an innocent person as a reward unless God also intended for certain people to be mere possessions?

While David is King, he decides to conduct a census: a horrendous sin in God’s eyes. As punishment for his poor decision, he is to select among seven years of famine, three months of fleeing from his enemies, and three days of pestilence. Unable to choose from the offered catastrophes, God picks the three days of pestilence that result in the deaths of 70,000 men. Women and children weren’t mentioned, not that the Bible considered them to have any real value in the first place. Again, God murders enough people to fill a sizable city for the “sin” of one man. David subsequently cries out to God and asks him why he wants to murder innocent people who had nothing to do with the decision to execute a census. Of course God doesn’t provide an impossible answer for this sensible question, but his reasons scarcely seem morally or ethically justifiable (2 Samuel 24:10-17).

David also desires a woman named Bathsheba even though she’s married to one of David’s soldiers. Driven by his lust, David orders her husband to the front lines of a battle so that the enemy will take care of his problem. God then becomes extremely angry with David for this relatively petty crime. Once the new couple has a child, God afflicts it with illness for a week before watching it die (2 Samuel 11, 12:14-18). Yet again, God exterminates an innocent baby for the actions of the father.

At one point, God sends a famine upon David’s followers. When he makes an inquiry to God for a justification, he’s told, “It is for Saul, and his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites” (2 Samuel 21:1). Saul died years ago, yet God just now decides to punish people who had nothing to do with the decisions of their former leader.

David’s new son, Solomon, turns away from the Hebrew god and decides to worship other deities. Solomon’s decision infuriates God, but he isn’t punished because God recently came to like David. Instead, he punishes Solomon’s son by taking away part of his land when he comes to power (1 Kings 11:9-13). Once again, we see the impossibility of being free from God’s anger even when living in total obedience to him. In essence, Solomon’s son was divinely punished before he was ever born.

Next in the line of father-son reprimands is the account of King Josiah. “And like unto him was there no King before him, that turned to the Lord with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his might, according to all the law of Moses; neither after him arose there any like him. Notwithstanding the Lord turned not from the fierceness of his great wrath…because of all the provocations that Manasseh had provoked him withal” (2 Kings 23:24-26). The passage speaks for itself. Yet again, God punishes a seemingly perfect person for someone else’s transgressions.

what is all these nonsense allah talk? by the way who and what is allah?

na today leaders of the niger delta region are organizing prayer sessions for peace in that region. . . .nigeria is the only country that i know where people pray before they eat and yet nothing dey happen. . . . .nigerians just don't want to realize that they god/gods they worship are long dead. . . . . anything that man wants to do most be done by man himself. . . .

heaven and hell the heaven and hell mantra is loosing traction to the extent that some christains and moslems are now insinuating that non christains and non moslems will go to heaven(paradise) 200 years ago a christain can get killed for suggesting that a moslem or any other non believer  will go to heaven and vice versa, the idea of heaven and hell is completely ridiculous. according to the bible people that do not believe in jesus will end up in hell regardless of how they live their lives but mordern day christains are trying to dance around what the bible asserts because the assertion simply makes no sense to them. . . . . why should a merciful god punish people infinitely for finite sins? should a 25 year old sinner who passes away spend enterniy suffering in hell? does that make sense? no wonder christains are now trying to define and redefine what hell is. . . delutional generation. . . .

Why are you guys talking about gays? lets do what the bible recommends, lets kill them all. . . . nonsense. . . . . . Davidylan i noticed that throughout this discussion you never quoted any verse from the bible to buttress you scientific claims you are talking about lobes , bacteria,mitochondrial DNA etc can you pls show us a verse where these things were discussed in the bible? does the bible even know what these things mean?

DavidDylan:
Mazaje please spare us your illiterate baloney. The thread is not about your useless recycled questions.

shut up and keep quite you educated illetrate, you believe you are going to be saved from your miserable life when you die by a god that killed babies because their parents worshipped other gods and instructed people how to share virgins after leading them through so many misguided wars? keep on deluding your self. . . . .mahaukachi. . .

OLAADEGBU:
Where is mazaje to take up the challenge? We would appreciate it if he can give us the details of what he heard or saw the Muslim said.

keep on deluding yourself. . . . misguided generation. . . . .

nonsense. . . . . .what and who is allah?

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=188667.msg3018211#msg3018211 date=1225394882]@mazaje,

You guys are funny! Your replies don dey grow naw. . which one be "marathon" inside again?

Hehe. . mazaje, wetin dey bite you so? I no fit laugh finish. Wait, you asserted that only Christians would go to heaven, not so? My reply started by showing you that your assertion was wrong - that was why I mentioned a few names that lived before Christ was born - wetin dey chase you wey you dey hyperventilate like so?

have you found me the verse that establishes your assertion earlier?[/quote]jesus said he is the way the truth and the life and that no one goes to the father except through him, some of his apostles made similar asertions in the bible, what did jesus mean when he says that a man can not enter into the kingdom of god without being born again? do moslems, shrirks, taoist,vodoo worshipper and hindus believe in being born again? the answer is no, infact most of them dont even know what it means and those of them that do, they simply do not believe in it. . . .remember that the biblical god killed so many people for worshipping other gods even their innocent children. . . remember he is a jealous god who wants people to whorship him alone . . . . show me where he says that those who worship other gods will inhereit his kingdom in the bible. . . . .