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ijawkid: So you do agree that God had promised his people of that land that the canaanites inhabited........

So do you still thÍnk the isreÀlites cÀrried out a war for fun or for seriÓus reasons??......

A supposedly great god that can do all things can not provide his "chosen" men with a land flowing with milk and honet but urges them to go and kill off others and take their lands that is flowing with milk and honey, eh?. . . .They are land grabbers and are supposed to be arrested and locked up for theft. . .

omonuan: I suppose same as what the Bible said in many Biblical verses:


Death is Final

Joshua 23:14
This day I [Joshua] am going the way of all the earth.
Job 7:9
As the cloud is consumed and vanishes away, so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more.
Job 14:10-14
But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he? ... So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep ... If a man die, shall he live again?
Job 20:7
Yet he shall perish for ever like his own dung.
Psalm 6:5
For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Psalm 31:17
Let the wicked be ashamed, and let them be silent in the grave.
Psalm 88:5
The dead ... whom thou rememberest no more.
Psalm 115:17
The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
Ecclesiastes 3:19
For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast.
Ecclesiastes 9:5
The dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward.
Ecclesiastes 9:10
For there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Isaiah 38:18
For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.
1 Machabees 2:62-63
A sinful man ... his glory is dung, and worms ... tomorrow he shall not be found, because he is returned into his earth; and his thought is come to nothing.

Many of the writers of the OT do not believe in life after death . . . .Some of them believd in heaven but non of them believed in hell. . . .In the OT when you offend Yahweh he kills you immediately or orders some one to kill you. . .No eternal suffering after you die . . .You violate his commandements and he kills you immediately or send someone to kill you. . . .

FOLYKAZE: Agree on that.

Cool. . .

Purist: Some of your fellow jazz practitioners would have us believe that it is possible for a bullet to penetrate the human body and there will be no blood. That's why I'm asking to be absolutely sure.


One more thing, I'll suggest this whole exercise should be carried out on a neutral ground you both agree on. Also, if possible, have more than one camera man record the whole thing (possibly up to 3 or even more) so we can have different angles of the incident as it plays out.

Sure it will be carried out on a neutral ground. . .I will be responsible for their transport fares. . .

Mr anony: I have answered this question so many times it is now tiring.

Objective morality means that the rightness or wrongness of actions are grounded in reality independent from individual or societal bias.

Can you give us an example of an objective moral?. . .

Ihedinobi: Exactly.

Exactly what?. . .That the prophets your revere are no different from hitler and if they were alive today and did any of the thing written about them they would have been tried and killed or locked up in prison for the rest of their lives?. . .What exactly are you on about?. . .

FOLYKAZE: We all know what gun is. And we know the effect if a bullet hit a target. Well what I agree on his, the skinned guy wont bleed. Either he is pushed back or feel pains in not in the talk. What I want to show his the bullet proof skin guy wont bleed.

Won't bleed or the bullet won't penetrate. .Any way . . My position is that once the bullet hits him he will bleed and damage will be done to the part of his body that the bullet hits. . .It is going to be an AK47 and he will stand no more than 2 meters away from me. . .

Ihedinobi: Uh huh.... Thou shalt not disappoint me, can you? And we consider these things evil because...you don't feel good about them? Right.

FOLYKAZE: Obviously we agree on same thing

Ok then. .There are other arrangements i will like us to make with regards to a police man and some doctors. ..But I will send you an email so that we can make arrangement for that . . .

Purist: Good.

In other words, when the trigger of your own firearm is pulled and the bullet penetrates the target, regardless of what happens to target next (whether he/she is able to resist the pain, or somehow fail to bleed, etc), you would have proven that bullet-proof jazz is FAKE and does NOT work as claimed.

Is this your position, mazaje? And do you agree with this, FOLYKAZE?


EDIT: By 'penetration', I suppose you mean that the bullet will actually enter or pierce the target's body. (We need to define these things properly before someone comes to tell us penetration means something else. )

Sure the gun will not jam and if I hit the target, the bullet will penetrate. . .It will NEVER hit the target and fail to enter . . .I will shoot the target on his leg and the target will not be far away from me. . .2 meters away from me will be the agreed distance. . .

ijawkid: Ahhh!!!!!!.....in other words you are saying the isrealites were told to go to war for no good reason.........they just went to war for fun.........

Now I can see........

Weren't the isrealites oppressed by other nations??.........

Was isreal ever a world power that oppressed other nations and created wars just for fun??.......

When the LORD brings you into the land of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Hivites and Jebusites--the land he swore to your ancestors to give you, a land flowing with milk and honey--you are to observe this ceremony in this month. Exodus 13:5

The bible does not say that the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Hivites and Jebusites oppressed the Isrealites. . .The Jewish god only promoised to give his chosen people the land that belongs to the others mostly becauise the worshipped other gods and he told his chosen men to kill them all and take their lands. . .

ijawkid: Lmao......mazaje don fear fear......I wanted to recommend those guys to you...just quietly meet them and explain to them that you wanna test run there ode-eshi juju powers to be sure if the bullet proof juju works or not......

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Baba you dey mad?. . .You no see say those guy rugged?. . .I no dey for that one ohh. . .If i shoot their brother injure am the next thing them go just tie me up burn me alive. . .I no dey ohh. . .

Purist: @mazaje and FOLYKAZE

The full terms and conditions of this bullet-proof jazz test should be stated on this thread (or create a new thread) so that both parties, and the rest of us, can see and AGREE on what constitutes the "jazz" success or failure. At the moment, it seems all we have on the part of FOLYKAZE is the assumption (or assurance) that a bullet will be shot and will fail. But how do you define this failure?

- Will the gun jam?
- Will the shooter miss his target?
- Will the bullet fail to penetrate and bounce off the target's body?
- Will the target fail to bleed even when he/she is hit?
- Will he/she bleed but will still be fine at the end?
- Will the target feel no pain after being shot?

How EXACTLY are you gonna be able to say conclusively that the bullet-proof jazz works 100%? Note that 99.99999% is no definitive proof. You guys have to state these things publicly before either party beings to change mouth depending on the outcome of the test. In other words, the terms should somewhat be in the following unequivocal form:

1) If 'A' happens, the test has succeeded (i.e. bullet-proof "jazz" is REAL and works as claimed).
2) ELSE, the test has failed (i.e. bullet-proof "jazz" is FAKE and does not work as claimed).

Over to you, guys.

Ok. . .Here is my position. . .I will come with my own fully functional AK 47. . .I will shoot and the gun will not Jam and if it hits the target the bullet must penetrate . . .This is my position and this is what i aim to achieve. . .FOLYKAZE over to you. . .

ijawkid: Just like the way obama should be in prison abi??............

Obama did not start any unjust war, but George Bush and Cheney deserve to be in prison . . .

What about killing when your nation tells you to??.......

Killing to defend your nation from aggressors is not wrong, atleast based on our current moral dispensation . . .Killing other people for no reason but because your nation tells you to invade them and take their land is wrong based on our current moral dispensation. . .

striktlymi: Read through the quote above and sincerely tell me it's not incoherent gibberish...if you are looking for a thread to let out your sentiments please open one and let it all out...

When you are done with your outburst, we go back to what the thread is really about...

LOL! . . .Why is it that everything about religion involves invisible things and imaginary concepts?. . . .That is a legitimate question. . .

Now I ask if you know what this thread is about? It is not about me making a case for heaven and I don't think I have attempted to make one, safe for some questions asked,...

The thread is about you telling us what is after death and defending your position...at the moment you have only succeeded in making claims which you are yet to substantiate...

I must not be able to show that heaven does not exist, it is something that is impossible, just as you can not show evidence that people do not reincarnate. You can not even show that an islamic suicide bomber is not presently in heaving flying around and mating with heavily virgin while drinking from riversa of wine . . .You can not show that Osama bin Laden is not there at the moment even if I insist he is. . .I can show you how the idea came about, I can show you how the afterlife idea came about. . .From your own bible. In the OT there was nothing like hell. . .Even some of the writers of the bible like the writer of ecclesiastes doesa not believe in life after death. . .Live die and thats all, according to him. . .The idea of hell slowly evolved even within the bible. . .

Hevean remains and idea , just like reincarnation . . .It has nothing to do with reality. . .

Now here is the very silly question...let me show you how silly your question is:

Akpos: Ekaite, how did you come into this world...

Ekaite: My dad had sexx with my mum and I was the result...

Akpos: Shut up, how do you know that your dad and mum do that kind of thing...

Ekaite: Because I am here...

Akpos: I refuse to believe...

Ekaite: Why na but the evidence is there...

Akpos: If you want me to believe you need to tell me how your dad does it with your mum...the style they did..the position your mum enjoys etc...


Do you get where I am heading with this Mazaje? It is impracticable for one to tell you everything about some things even though those things exist...

There are things a renouned brain surgeon cannot tell you about the brain even though the brain exist...ask good questions Mazaje and you would get good answers...

Heaven remains and idea like reincarnation . . . .

I have asked you to focus on things you know about...if you have been indoctrinated then good for you...

Did you just grow up with the belief about heaven or did some one tell you based on the ideas another person conceieved?. . .

Do you want me to school you on what it means to "show" something?

Again heaven or life agter death is just an idea like reincarnation which so many other people believe in. . .

FOLYKAZE: which ever way you want it. And dont forget to get camera man. We got something to show nairalanders

Sure man. . .It will be well arranged. . .No need discussing much here. .I will send you and email and we will make proper arrangements . . . .

FOLYKAZE: Hope you didn't forget your bullet proof skinned person confirmation? I have gotten the guy ready

At all brother . . .I haven't. . .

What is objective morality anony?. . .

Ihedinobi: Abeg shift! You tink say na just to type? If I took you on on the above now, you'd start yarning nonsense.

For instance, what made any of the actions you attributed to these people evil? Your hurt feelings? Make we hear word bo!

Nope, at least our morality has evolved so much now that we consider killing people for woshiping other gods an evil thing . ..We conside enslaving people an evil thing in most parts of the world . . . .If Moses were alive today and did most of what the bible says he did, he will be some where chilling in the inte rnational court of justice and be tried for war crimes . . . Killing people because god told your to do so is evil in the present society we live it. . .

FOLYKAZE: From my side, anytime from now. But I dont know mazaje stand on this. Dont know if really he want this as he said or just saying to please people

I am NOT kidding. . .I will buzz you very soon via email . . .Am very serious anout this, but we will have to get some things sorted out first, I will send you an email when am ready cos the last time I did this, I got into some trouble. . .The hospital people refused to treat the guy at first saying we should bring a police report since it was a gun shut wound. . .It was quite an ordel but at the end we were able to have our way and the treated him after he lost so much blood, I thought he was going to die. I wouldn't want such to happen again. I will send you and email and we will prepare for it all. I will be coming back very soon. . .I am NOT kidding about this . . .We will make it known and logicboy will also be there, cos I know he will want to witness it as well. . . .

Mr anony: I'm sorry but you have just classified all war as genocide. This doesn't help us in any way.

would say that apart from No.2, all the rest are not genocide. Please read your definition again

As long as you are killing a group of people with the intention to kill them all and wipe them off. . .My definition says systematic destruction in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. . .

Mr anony: Actually the cable won't shock you until after you have placed your foot on it, you won't die in a fight until after you enter the fight etc etc

you are tryig to say things i never said. . .I said stepping. . .Stepping on it will get you electricuted. . .Fighting is a processes you get beaten and hurt in the process of fighting, same with war, you get killed while you are at it not after you have finished fighting the war etc etc. . .

Actually, I was not talking about crime, I was talking about good and evil. A society can choose to legalize an evil deed and everyone will get away with it. Please don't confuse legality and morality. You haven't provided anything that is enough to convince me that most people suffer the consequence of their evil deeds while alive.

Good and evil are always determined by the society, example gay marriage is legal here but illegal in some other societies. . .The fear of facing the penalty is what stops many people from doing crime. . .

You missed the point of the question which is: where does your sense that things ought to be fair come from? Why is life supposed to be fair?
Surely you know that the fact that some people are healthy and some sick is not proof that they are all supposed to be healthy.

From the society in live in. The society has told me that we are all supposed to have equal chance when we take a go at things. . .Why are some people supposed to be sick and suffer while others supposed to be healthy and happy?. . .Why do we take care of the sick and weak?. . .is it because of life after death?. . .What has life after death got to do with caring for the sick?. . .The society I live in has told me that this life I have is very precious and as such I need to preseve it and enjoy it.

This is a red herring constructed to derail the argument. My argument is simple: If there is no life after death, why shouldn't I live my life exactly as I like since in the end we all die?

How does life after death stop you from enjoying your life here and living the way you want?. . .You can live your life the way you want, but knowing that you are bound to be accountable to family, friends and society, you must also live your life in such a way to aviod conflict with other members of the society. . .

I hope you know that by saying life is not fair, you are rendering null the argument that people generally face the consequences of their actions in this life. Secondly even the "system" that you are talking about still has it's many faults and besides it is people punishing other people based solely on their opinion of right and wrong

Sure, life is not fair, some get away with things. . .Right and wrong is always the opinion of others. . .If you have any right and wrong that is not the opinion of other humans then please point to it. . .

And why shouldn't I be selfish here. The people you are asking me to help were'nt born with me neither will they die with me. I was born alone and I will die ALONE. Now tell me exactly why I have to live for the benefit of others.

I told you before, if you help people they will help you back, that is enough reason to help people. . .

Why should I hope someone will help me when I can just as easily rob him and still have friends who will love me for what they expect to get from me?

If you go about robbing people they will also rob you or kill you in the process. . .If they don't rob you they will your from your family or kill some one from your family since you share your loot with them. . .That is enough reason for you not to go about stealing from people. . .You won't want any body to steal from you or any one that is yours. . .

What's the worst the land can do if not to kill me. I can even work my way to the top make the laws so that the land is now accountable to me and then proceed to killing millions of people. In the end, the worst thing that will happen is that I will die. If I am lucky, I might just die in my sleep on my golden bed at the ripe old age of 90.

Not every body can work to his/her way to the top and it is not every body that can be at the top at once and change laws. . .There is a great chance that you will be killed along the way. . .many dictators have been killed and many will be killed. . .Some get lucky and die at a ripe age others die as a result of their actions on the people. . .

The bottomline here is that if there is no afterlife, there is no real justice.

You have failed to show how afterlife leads to any sort of justice. . .A justice system that is based solely on belief is no real justice. . .According to your after life hypothesis, Bill Gates who owns the biggest charity in the world, and who has done so much(More than any man I can think of) to help humanity at all levels will suffer in hell for all enternity because he does not believe in some stories written by unknown authours many years ago, soties that have no evidence at all, and some one like Osama bin laden will be in paradise sleeping with countless virgins because he accepted the right revelation or a serial killer that killed over 50 people and raped them that accepts Jesus at the age of 76 and died at the age of 78 will go to heaven. . . .The religious hypothesis after life and the justice it porferrs is very silly and ridiculous, a form of justice that is based on belief first before deeds is very silly. . .You beible begins by saying that he who does ot believe is condemmed already. . .What kind of nonsense is this?. .

You are demanding that I live my life according to your idea of morality

Where and when did i say that?. . .

Mr anony: I like that definition. Now how does it differ from other acts of war?

For example:
1. Was the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during WW2 an act of genocide?
2. Was the killing of the Tutsis by the Hutu tribes an act of genocide?
3. Were the activities of Stalin starving his own people to death acts of genocide?
4. Was the Biafran war an act of genocide against Ibos?

I have asked the above questions so that I can have a better understanding of how you differentiate genocide from other acts of war. You can just answer with a yes or a no to the 4 questions

Yes, all for are genocides. . .For example the Ruwandan war is referred to as the Ruwandan genocide. . .

OLAADEGBU: I hope it scares the hell out of you.

Why should I be scared of a myth?. . .

maclatunji: Word! Never mind the so-called 'Atheists'. It is impossible to live without believing in your creator.

You can only lie to yourself that you don't believe.

Believe that Mohammed ascended into heaven on the back of a wing beast or that Jesus ascended to heaven as the son of god?

Mr anony: I don't want to derail this thread but I'll ask you: What is genocide and how is it different from other acts of war?

If you like, we can handle it in another thread

According to Wikipedia. . .Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group" A legal definition is found in the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG). Article 2 of this convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

I will go with this definition. . .

[quote author=*Kails*]Religion and science are basically two in the same.
However radicals and separatists from both sides have played tug of war
thus separating what was once a beautiful union in a childish "us against them" fight.[/quote]They are not the same. Primarily science deals with testing and observation, religion relies on faith primarily. . .

Mr anony: This is a red herring, but I'll argue that 1. The Israelites did not commit genocide and 2. The Israelites did not have a different sense of morality

Sure as long as you also agree that Hitler did not also commit genocide against the Jews. . .

ayenny02: I can see where u get problem now let me explain it for you;
From verse 99:6-that they mankind will proceed in scattered groups that they may be shown their deed.
Explanation: which day Allah was talking about, "the day of judgement"
And He said people will scattered in groups, which group, "the believers and disbelievers"
The book of record of good and bad deeds of muslims will be given to them,

As for the others (disbelievers), it will be announced publicly that these are ones who lied against their Lord.

Allah now continue with the following verses that; 99:7-8,
8. So whosoever does good equal to the weight of an atom shall see it
9. And So whosoever does evil equal to the weight of an atom shall see it

Moreover, S. 2:62 promises Christians reward for their good deeds. But S. 9:28-33; 5:17, 72-73 calls Christians idolaters, and S. 9:17 is very clear that idolaters will have no reward.




Quran 2:62, verily! Those who believe and those are jews and christian, and sabians.............
Here Allah was talking about pass nation used to live in Moses and Jesus that believed in Oneness of God and believe in original. Zabur and Injeel]

It obvious you do not understand the english language. . .I said S2:62 promises christians reward for their good deeds. But S. 9:28-33; 5:17, 72-73 calls christians idolaters, and S. 9:17 is very clear that idolaters will have no reward. Your explanation is just funny because you claim the Koran was talking about pass one nation that believed in Moses and Jesus. . .What is that?

Ihedinobi: Twin bro, atheists generally think it is o!



So on point, twin bro. Now for sitting back and figuring out how to miss the points you have made: yeah, you're right, bro, that's what these unbelievable guys do it.

Same can be said of your bible prophets. . .After killing uncountable number of people including babies, raping their women and babies, looting and stealing from them, enslaving them, we are told that people like Moses, Joshua etc are in heaven enjoying for their evil deeds just because they happen to belong to a race that claim they are god's chosen. . .Inetresting how these believers do it. . .

Mr anony: but you haven't showed a consequence that doesn't come after the act. Prison, and being caught usually come AFTER the action. "Immediately after" is not the same thing as "simultaneously"

Like stepping on an electric cable, it will electricute you immediately you step on it not after. . .Fighting and getting beaten up in the process, you could fight with some one and get beat up in the process, engaging in wars and battles and being killed in the process.Drunk driving and having accidents in the process. . .Many actions have immediate consequence. . .Even if the consequence comes later, it still comes up in the this life. . .Not in the life after. . .People still or commit murder run away, get caught after some time and still go to prison or face justice in this same life. . .Some people commit crimes and pay for it decades later. . .

You still haven't shown that most of our actions have immediate consequences you have only asserted it. Secondly, I would challenge your claim that most people don't get away with evil because many do including and especially the ones who make and twist the laws.

Some people get away with evil while most don't unless if they live in a lawless society, if you live in a lawful society like the one i live in then its very difficult to get away with crime. . .In a lawless society like Nigeria its easy getting away with crime that is why crime is rampant and every where, in the society where I live crime is very low because its not easy getting away with crime. . .

Again I wonder how you can say that life is not fair. What other life are you comparing it to? In order to know that life is not fair, you must know what a fair life looks like. You cannot say that a line is crooked if you don't know what a straight line looks like.

I don't need another life to compare with this life, looking at this life alone is enough, some people are born blind while others are born with their sight intact, some and born crippled while others are not, some commit crime and get away with it and others do not, some work hard and get rewarded , while others work hard and have nothing to show for it. . .I must not know that another life exist because the fact that people do not have it equally here in this life despite putting in the same effort is enough for me to know that life is not fair. All i need is to compare the lives of individuals and that is enough to make my conclusion. . .You keep beging the question in an absurd way. . .

Even if we are to go by your life after death hypothesis it still isn't just because I gave you an example of a mass murderer like Moses who went about killing, raping, and looting, but according to you and your religion he is some where in heaven while his mass mudderer mate Moa is some where in hell. . .

What about those who are innocent yet they are in prison. Are they reaping the consequence of their actions too? How about those who have lied and cheated and even killed their way to riches, yet they have an entourage of people always kissing their feet, are they also reaping the consequences of their actions?

That is why i said life is not fair. . .But generally, with the system we have in place in societies that chose to adhere to the systems in placem people suffer for the consequnce of their actions. . .

ad hominem again. "I think you are sick therefore you are sick and your argument is sick" is not a valid argument.
I have not presented you with an argument that is in anyway absurd. You have not told me exactly why I should make someone else's life better especeially when it doesn't benefit me. Remember I only have one life and there is no existence or judgment after death so why should I inconvenience my life in any way? after all, I am accountable to no one but myself.

You are just showing how selfish you are since everything about your argument is all about you and you alone. To you a person should help others only if he stands to gain something in return, if that is not a sick and absurd reasoning then please tell me what it is. Why should you help others only because you stand to gain something from it?. . .

Even if we are to go buy your selfish reasoning, if I help 20 poor men out of poverty, there is a high tendency that tomorrow they will also help me or mine when i need help or when any one from me needs help from them and that is enough reason to help them, because no man is an island we all need help and favours during ourlife time. . .Helping others means that they will help you and yours in return and that is reason enough to help people. If a person goes around causing people pain and hurting people, the same will be done to such a person, people will like to cause him pain as well. . .

By the way you are not accountable to yourself alone, you are accountable to your, family, friends and society at large, that is why you MUST obey the laws of the land in which you find yourself in. . .If you disobey you suffer the consequence of disobeying or violating the laws. . .

Since you are demanding that I live my life a certain way, I have every right to ask you why.

Demanding that you live your life in what way?. . .

Mr anony: "I think it is absurd therefore it is absurd" is not a valid argument

ok. . .

The consequence for an action can only come after the action. Don't you think so? Shouldn't it follow that the consequence for a life has to come after the life has been lived?

This is very false, consequnces of some actions come during the actions. . .Many of the things we do have immediate consequences. . .The shame of being caught stealing and the prison sentence and many other things associated with it is what stops many people from stealing. . .The penalty for violating many laws has immediate consequence. . .

Really, how did Stalin, Chairman Mao and Kim Jun Il manage to escape this consequence? After oppressing and torturing his people, Mao dies of a heart attack at the ripe old age of 83 like many people his age.
How about Babangida? He is currently enjoying the consequence of all his years of looting Nigeria as we speak. . . . .as well as many other prominent Nigerian criminals who have killed and robbed yet they will enjoy a better quality of life together with their children and grandchildren.

Sure, some escape it and most don't. . .Nigeria is generally a lawless society where its leaders get away with crime. . .In developed societies how ever even the leaders are held accountable and its a different thing altogether. . .Life is not fair, after all we are told that war criminals and murderers like Moses in the bible are enjying in heaven because they just happen to be amoungs your god's chosen men despite all their killings, rampage and lootings. . .There is an exception to everything. . .But generally when it comes to life most of our actions have immediate consequence. . .

Tell me again that there is a consequence for good and evil in this life.

Sure there is, most of the people in prisons are there as a result of their actions, that is the consequence of their actions. . .Many are not in prison but they are still suffering a lot for their actions in one way or the other. . .If you do good to people they will do good to you, if you do bad to them they will do bad to you. . .

The question is why should you bother helping the poor? It will add nothing to your life. There is no consequence for helping the poor. You will all die one day why should you care about the quality of another person's life?

I think you are a sick person. . .And am serious. . .People living in poverty and lack is a bad thing, and if you have more than enough you should help them because doing so is the right thing because you don't want to see people living in misery. . .There is a consequnce for helping the poor, you add value to their lives and the society as a whole and that is a good thing. So because you will die means that you shouldn't help others?. . .You are truly a sick person. . .You keep asking sick questions. . .