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halima83:
Shehu kyari in ibrahim el kanemi

TAO11:
Even with your decision to stretch this to the idea of Mathematical exactness (in the hope to find a way out), I am still glad to inform you that Mathematically all squares are rectangles.

Having said that, in case you're somehow thinking that the structure began as a "rectangle" (i.e. with unequal sides) and has somehow changed in modern times to a "square" (i.e. with equal sides):

Please be informed that such thought remains false --- the Ka'ba's sides dimension is 36.2 ft by 42.2 ft (i.e. unequal), yet it's name remains "Ka'ba", that is, a square (or cube) structure.,

This points again to the fact that Mathematical technicality and exactness is not what is intended by that name. Thus demolishing you latest cop-out.

In all, I understand that your stretch of Mathematical exactness is only a means to escape your misinformation. But that too failed to work.

Moreover, you're yet to provide any evidence to substantiate your made-up meaning kf "a place of exaltation" for the Arabic word Ka'ba.

TAO11:
But what should naturally happen when your claims turn out to be spurious as I have shown in the "Ka'ba" example??

What should naturally happen when we see the example of another language such as Japanese that have indeed been confirmed to have many words similar in sound and meaning to ours??

What should naturally happen when it is shown that your contentions such as that of "slave trade" is in fact in valid considering well established extant documentation of the West and Central African origin of the slaves??

TAO11:
Examples of what?

Let me summarize:
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You:
Ka'bah is an Arabic word which means a place of exaltation. (citing nothing).

Me:
Ka'bah is an Arabic word which means: "any square ["or cubic"] house, or chamber, or the like". (citing the most authoritative Arabic-English lexicon --- LL).

You:
#$&#*;#^ ... Well, the word Ka'ba in TAO's comment should have been preceded by the word "the".

And since you TAO didn't do that, then you TAO are wrong and I MetaPhysical am right ... #/@^%%^^#

Me:
"The Ka'ba" or "Ka'ba" --- whichever it is changes absolutely nothing about the fact that the Arabic word "Ka'ba" means a cubic or square structure.

You:
... In its original structure, built by Abraham, it was not a cube.

Me:
Can you direct me to any written source for this, e.g. the Hadith literature or the Sirâh literature??

You:
How dare you TAO ask me to subtantiate such an unsubstantiable wild claim!?

Me:
#InsideLife. Lol

TAO11:
Lol ... You've successfully avoided every single point and every single question I raised.

And it is understandable why you decided to do so. Lol.

I am not interested in a straw-man banter so I would wait until you address the points and questions I raised.

In the meantime, I wish the best in your endeavour.

Cheers!

TAO11:
Can you please kindly direct me to the Hadith literature or a Sirâh literature where you read this?

Moreover, are you really contesting that the Arabjc word "Ka'ba" means cube (or square) shaped??

I humbly advice that you shouldn't "drag" this beyond this point. Notice that you've been insisting on this without a shred of evidence --- And that's simply because there is none.

Cheers!

TAO11:
(1) Good to hear that this has always been your position. I do not intend to sound like you changed recently (in case I sounded to tou that way).

In fact, I was clearly willing to admit that you are been honest about this being your position from page 1.

(2) Regarding slaves in the New World, there is extant well established documentation on that. Their numbers, the places they were taken from etc. I personally know someone here in the U.S. whose area of PhD reserch involves examining those data. This is not even contested.

(3) In that case can you then going forward cite them accordingly (or at least name them) so we can clearly draw a line between what their conclusion actually is and what you've taken them to mean (as well as where your own personal non-liguist speculations begin).

In the light of this, my question which I asked as follows is not addressed:

"In the light of the foregoing, I then humbly ask that can you direct me to any redoubtable linguist or any redoubtable peer-review academic work which also admits this so-called Hebrew-Yoruba linguistic clues??"

Moreover, I also made the following comment that was left untouched:

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And the late professor of Yoruba language I referred to is Professor Afolabi Olabode.

Cheers!

TAO11:
Lol, very funny.

"Al" is only a definite article that usually prefix in a common noun. It is simply "The".

It has nothing to do peculiarly to the "Ka'bah".

Okay, "The Cube"! What has changed? Another different word introduced at the beginning. Simple.

Dont worry too much bro, it is obvious this is not your forte, and I mean no insult.
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If I build a "Ka'ba" for slaughtering pigs, it doesn't change the fact that the word Ka'ba" simply means a square or cubic chamber.

The purpose it serves is not what makes it a "Ka'ba". A "ka'ba" can be made to serve any purpose.

I'm shocked you seem to be contesting this.

espn:
Only in Nigeria will foreign bodies come into with confidence and tap into our resources...both human and natural resources without fear...This Albion's get mind ooo...See as dem be like corona...

macof:
Lmao.
This is some drastic 180 turn

Even the topic of the thread shows you are lying

You all have been promoting the idea of yoruba having semitic heritage, of being the people(or among) talked about in the bible

nsiba:
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From calabash.... Men I love 9ja die, everybody na oga

TAO11:
Lol ... Actually that's not correct.

Ka'ba actually simply means:

"Any square ["or cubic"] house, or chamber, or the like"

I'm actually quoting from E. W. Lane's Arabic-English Lexicon.

If you happen to know some Arabic like me, then you may confirm this in the lexicon under the entry:

"Kaf, 'ain, ba, and ta-morbuto" (In Arabic characters tho)

Cheers!

TAO11:
Lol. I won't promise to begin reading from page 1 oo. But I am willing to trust that you wouldn't lie about what your view has been.

Now, I'm glad that you're quite willing to entertain a different possibility.

Now let's revisit the assumption of linguistic clues.

See, if we must really kiss reality, and shy away from fantasy; then we must be willing to honestly admit our limitation, helplessness, and gross incompetence in a particular technical/academic field of inquiry.

(1) In the light of the foregoing, I then humbly ask that can you direct me to any redoubtable linguist or any redoubtable peer-review academic work which also admits this so-called Hebrew-Yoruba linguistic clues??


Oh ... by the way, I actually know of a late Professor of Yoruba language (who had taught in Japan) who have actually submitted on the excessive linguistic similarity between Yoruba language and the Japanese language.

(2) In the light of this, I humbly ask then that what would do you think this Yoruba-Japanese linguistic similarity mean for the Yoruba and Japanese "races" ??

Cheers!

RamessesIV:
Question should be where did this Hebrew heritage come from?? Why is it so prevalent There is no linkage between yoruba and middle east aside islam so how come it takes center stageI mean let's be serious this is history 101 people who take in a religion that influences their culture will always want to tie their origins there,sometimes is not even religion take Chinese people of the city of liquan claim they descended from the ancient soldiers of rome why some historian claimed they look European and found some connections between them and ancient roman soldiers who migrated east,today there is a monument and museum in liquan showing their supposed roman heritage,this is not a new thing,even the mansas of mali claimed ancestry from one of Muhammed servant's,solomonids claim jewish ancestry this just shows the effect of abramhic religion on our culture,funny how islam and christianity take came recently is now taking forefront not just in culture but in history

TAO11:
I have a question which I think is quite fundamental to this exchange.

Let's pretend in the mean time (for the sake of argument) that the languages of the Yoruba people and that of some Hebrew used to be identically one and the same.

Now, why does this fact/assumption necessitate the thinking that our null hypothesis, which we must proceed with, should be: H₀ = The Yorubas descended from the Hebrews ??

Why can't our null hypothesis, which we must proceed with, be: H₀ = The Hebrews descended from the Yorubas ??

I will appreciate banter-free, brief, very direct, and very objective responses.

Also, it is very okay if our responses say something like "I actually don't know why". We don't have to force knowing why.

Cheers!
cc: macof MetaPhysical Obalufon ...

author=macof post=88915786] there's no reason not to bring that fact up. You talk about enslaved Africans and question their Africanness for whatever reason, be it as a joke or silly excuse to further your semitic obsession
The first fact to raise is that slavery is oppressive and entails a huge lose of identity

Again, I ask were the semitic people who you claim migrated to populate Yorùbáland enslaved and forced to forget their homeland?

Because you are the one comparing this to slavery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQBG_0ShlUs

Yes, because this must be a coincidence.

More sensible people know it cannot be a coincidence because this supports the records of African slaves in the americas

Where are the records of semitic slaves in Yorùbáland

Lmao
First of all Yoruba do not have their own personal haplogroup or something. It's a haplogroup shared amongst West and Central Africans.. With little traces in other regions
Same applies for Semitic people like the Bedouin you keep mentioning who are majorly of the J-haplogroup
So if you are looking for Yoruba and bedouin haplogroups. I think that research is already done
and to suggest Yoruba and bedouin share same haplogroup is to imply that all of Africa and western Asia share same haplogroup

Secondly, the mecca story is not traditional
I have been through this
The traditional narrative has always been Òkè-Ọ̀rà

Go to the Obadio

author=macof post=88914249]

Lmao this is funny and sad at the same time.

[s]1. The afro descendants of the americas were taken as slaves, oppressed and deliberately made to lose much of their culture and identity [/s]

Were the semitic people who you claim migrated to West Africa to become the Yoruba enslaved, oppressed and forced to forget their homeland?

2. Despite slavery, among Afro descendants in the americas, there exist cultural and linguistic evidence.
From the traceable African influence on African American vernacular to Jamaican patois to Haitian Creole to Colombian Palenquero.

3.Genetic Analyses shows that like West and Central Africans the Afro descendants in the americas are of the E1b1a haplogroup

4. All over West Africa, local records exist of the existence of slave raiders, and the white man's role in transporting captured people away.
Why do you think Facial marks became necessary in Yorùbáland?
Even tales of the white man being "gbọmọ gbọmọ" was rife.

5. Despite slavery we can see that not all former slaves lost their identity.
The afro Cubans for example were clear that many of them originated from the Olukumi country ie. Yorùbáland
And to prove it they still retained the worship of Yoruba deities

Please tell me the Semitic deities we have in Yorùbáland? Or the Islam or Christianity we have prior to recent interactions with Muslim traders and Christian missionaries.
Depending on when you claim these Arabs and Hebrews migrated to Yorùbáland

You are just obsessed with semitic people, all your excuses are frankly embarrassing

RamessesIV:
Canaanites were pre arabic and jewish people who occupied the levant,is
like saying greeks came before roman doesn't change romans exist

Traces? No credible evidence,no historical evidence,no etymological linkage between the two,no credible archeological evidence that Yoruba religion was influenced by pagan arabic aside some stories this is not a new thing I can list other cultures that have christian and islamic influence and claim middle eastern ancestry most of this claims you can't even bring it before historians they will laugh at you

heendrix:
Very soon we'll soon hear

Toyin Chibuzor Olayinka from Anambra state

RamessesIV:
They were various berber kingdoms,some were already hellnized,some were romanized,tunisia was already christian before arabs came and played great roles in early christianity,due to arab conquest islam spread with it arabization just like egypt and sudan,even somalians are now claiming "Arab"
"Arab culture" this is the culture of Arab and the Islamic faith,if Hausas had gotten islam through arab conquest they will be arabs today just like the nubians in sudan,majority of the middle east ara arabized people.

RamessesIV:
Footprint of time indeed���� the etymology dont add up niger-congo language of west Africa and Semitic language of the middle east lol how do they relate

Godons1:
This can only happen in the EAst.

chomchom1:
Hustle so that ua mother will never lift yam

CollinsWeGlobe:
Lockdown, 2 hours per bus

CollinsWeGlobe:
I am done buying. There's no bus, how do I go home? Bro, my house is like Oshodi to Mile 2

I spent more than 2 hours of trekking.

dokyOloye:
As seen on Linda Ikeji blog today.
Fulani has been killing and plundering all over Nigeria including d southwest and have never been arrested or prosecuted,but you will never hear pim from the Yoruba audio warriors littering nairaland.Fulani killed in Ondo less than a week ago,yet no arrest.
Their only problem on planet earth is Igbos who live peacefully and contribute their quota in development of d SW.
Hausa/Fulani has been having crises and killing yorubas in Mile 12,Ife and other parts of Yoruba land but you will never hear yoruba audio warriors talk piiim.
Help me and tag other resident yoruba nairaland audio warriors.
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