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SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 7:52pm On Nov 14, 2017
Mujtahida:
Congratulations Mickael2. We are all together. It's been a very interesting match. Our boys showed character and desire.
we lost the first half though because of the reasons I pointed out. Remember the sharp goalkeeper I mentioned? It caused the first goal. The unnatural fullbacks? Caused the second goal and thwarted our attack. Kudos to Ogu though he did very well contrary to what I expected and Iwobi was fantastic in that position. Mikel is Mikel, hopefully Rohr learns that we can make do with a better RB than Shehu and Simon Moses and Onazi are not needed so much
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 7:40pm On Nov 14, 2017
Mujtahida:
He has been winning by luck lol
I believe you guys have made your point, no need rubbing it in ;(
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 7:19pm On Nov 14, 2017
joseph1013:
Does anyone know where Mickael2 is?

Argentina 2 Nigeria 4
the coach corrected the glaring errors which I pointed out earlier and the results improved. Nice switch of plans there
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 6:34pm On Nov 14, 2017
Mujtahida:
Quote of the century. Shebi some don't want to appreciate Onazi. It's obvious that he's irreplaceable.
put Etebo there and thank me later
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 6:33pm On Nov 14, 2017
Icon79:
YeA. I perceived the same thing as well. Rohr would've saved the new formation until we start the training camp next summer. Right now, the entire team is a little confused and disorganized. Let's hope that he would revert to 4-3-3 in the second half because if our first team can't play well on this new formation, then the reserves would be a disaster if we persist in using it.



O pari
we have been trying this formation in training since, I remember before the SA game we tried it. The problem here is putting square pegs in round holes, like playing Shehu at wingback leaving a more natural wingback on the bench. Playing Ogu and Mikel, two slow players in the middle at the same time, playing Mikel a slow player as the AMF in a formation that requires quick transition from defence to attack etc etc
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 6:15pm On Nov 14, 2017
tbaba1234:
At that point, Argentina had shown nothing in Attack... Argentina had zero shot on target too
they had a shot that was blocked, it was something
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 6:14pm On Nov 14, 2017
SerVik:
We need a winger though. As Mickael2 earlier posited, zero width
Argentina will chop us like raw eba before people realise that Rohr is not a good tactial coach. I mean how could he not understand that Shehu CANNOT provide width and a right footed player on the left side will only provide defensive width. Make I dey watch
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 12:32pm On Nov 14, 2017
SerVik:
top post. I think you meant perotti not belotti
exactly, thanks a lot. All these tti tti go confuse person grin
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 12:30pm On Nov 14, 2017
Joebie:
The latest from OGN: we will play with a 5-3-2 formation which translates to 3-5-2 when in attack.
I think it is a cautious formation.

okay, let me take it paragraph by paragraph.
Balogun has always played as the LCB. And he and Aina have been assisting themselves there. I think nothing has changed. This is continuity for mastery sake. Awaziem is right-footed, so starting him there is a less risky path.

Ola Aina is even more comfortable as a Wing-Back, than a dedicated Full-back. I know both terms are used interchangeably these days, but you know what I mean. The formation will give him room to roam forward, and that's his strength. We are already developing him well for the LB role, and we don't have to wait for his club to do that first. Not saying I don't want to see him play as RB, but i've already made my position known on that. Now as regards Shehu, let's think Victor Moses here for a better comparison. Moses is a better crosser, granted. Moses is better going forward, also granted. But Moses don't go forward TOO often when playing for Chelsea, and that's because they have dedicated wingers. With this formation, we are playing quite narrow at the front, and that means we will not be depending much on wing play. This could also be a test for Shehu to do more forward with this formation, something he didn't have to do often in our previous formation. I have to check on his pace, as I'm not sure he really lacks that. You could have a point though.

on your last paragraph, I disagree on what you said about Ndidi. Ndidi started out as a CB. Someone even mentioned that he will be a good CB and I had to remind him that he actually started there. Ndidi is as versatile as Mikel, but inferior in passing and ball holding.
Granted, Ogu is slow, but like I said this is a very cautious formation as our defense will have lots of cover. Don't forget that Ogu is quite good defensively, so what we have may be Ndidi, and Ogu sitting back especially when we are not in possession.
Paragraph by paragraph too.

Balogun and Aina played together on the leftside for the first time against Algeria, safe to say that our leftside nearly cost us that match, they created two good chances from the leftside. You are misunderstanding the dynamics here, these are two right-footed players on the leftside of our defence which(just like against Algeria) will leave spaces for opponents to exploit. Awaziem starting there is ofcourse not a problem but I would start Shehu there,I will get to that.


Aina ofcourse is a fantastic wingback we all know that, infact he isn't even a fullback but a wingback BUT on the leftside he will be limited that's my point. Also you cannot teach him how to play with his weaker foot when you only train him for a maximum for 2months in a year, his club needs to help, why do you think national team coaches visit clubsides? Like you pointed out, our forward line is going to be very narrow which means Shehu will mainly provide width not even defending, you cannot play a 3-4-3 without true wingers and expect the wingbacks to sit back except you are parking a serious truck, in a friendly that would be shameful. Worst still if Shehu has to concetrate mainly on defence it would require him to bomb forward during counter attacks, where is the pace? When you consider that Mikel is our AMF you see how much extra pace is needed up front and Shehu does not have that, don't get me started on his ability to take on players or his crosses. You cannot use Moses as an example here because Pedro is always infront of him, a true winger so he can choose when to run forward, but who is infront of Shehu? Probably Iwobi, that's all you need to know.


You did not get my point here. I am not doubting his defensive abilities(Ndidi), I am doubting his ability to sit and cover the fullbacks. In his club what he does is run around the midfield like crazy and win the ball back whenever he can, he is not instructed to be disciplined in his clubside which is the only good thing Chelsea did for Mikel. So in this formation it is easy to see that Ogu will be the Matic kinda guy here, you only need to check out Dybala's top speed and you will understand my reservations.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 9:14am On Nov 14, 2017
Mujtahida:
Make Rohr call dem. I don tire for the talk. Let's discuss something else that is more proximate. Meanwhile analyse that possible line up and tactical formation. You say Rohr no always like to use one formation. Him want do Conte. What's your take?
if he starts with that 3-4-3 formation it might get embarrasing for us.

Let me start from the back, our GKs are not confident, a 3man backline requires an active GK but this is the least of our problems.

In the defence you have Awaziem listed as the RCB and Balogun in the LCB spot. I already pointed out that using inverted wingers is a risky biz, you could see that some clearances Aina made in the last match were less than perfect because he was using his weaker foot just like I predicted, now you are playing Awaziem and Balogun, two right-footed CBs, in the LCB and RCB, they will find it hard to make proper clearances(Awaziem most especially) and when you consider the wingers they are about to face......


That brings us to the fullbacks. Aina I am okay with but playing him the LWB formation is wrong, he is going to have a performance similar to the one he had against Algeria, you can see he is quality but he will still struggle. For us to effectively utilise Aina in that left side we need to reach out to his clubside and convince them to play him there a little more often. Then we come to the guy who would lose the most in this formation, Shehu. There is a reason why Azpilicueta does not play the WB role and when he does he is always below average. Shehu is NOT GOOD offensively and his take-on rate is very very poor, crosses too are very very poor(I doubt if he has had one succesful cross throughout the qualifers bar that cutback for Iwobi) and he also does not have the pace. Argentina will have Dybala running across our backline looking for spaces to exploit and Shehu's lack of pace will expose that space perfectly then you may argue that our DMF will cover and that brings us to the midfield....

Ndidi is not an out-and-out DMF so he can not do the work that will be assigned to him which is covering the fullbacks effectively for 90minutes and then we have Ogu who isn't exactly fast. Bear in mind that their CF is Belotti so our central CB will have his hands full so in most cases Ogu will have to fall back and help out thus making room infront of the defence for Banega and the likes to exploit.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 8:16am On Nov 14, 2017
Mujtahida:
They know the dance very well but I'm not sure they danced the dance very well. While they were in their prime we didn't win Afcon, we didn't go beyond second round. That's how far their dance took us. Let's see this new guys dance. But if Rohr wants the old gaurd, I wish him and them the best.
I am quite sure that Martins and Uche are among our top5 scorers and their scoring ratios are way better than Ighalo's. These are proven guys, say what you want but it won't change the fact that Uche was the highest goalscorer during our qualifying campaign in 2010 neither will it change the fact that Martins is our 3rd highest scorer with a better ratio than Yakubu who is the second I believe.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 10:31pm On Nov 13, 2017
safarigirl:
as far as I am concerned, Martins is in the same category as those green horns.

That he has come good before does not mean he will come good now. So, if we try him once and he fails to meet up, what next? We should take him to Russia because he has 'done it' before?

Are people supposed to go to the World Cup based on their exploits four years ago?

Martins is in no better a position than the likes of Dessers, the only difference is that he used to be a regular about seven years ago, same as Uche.

How many games did Ola Aina need to be part of the team so much a lot of people say he is a sure bet to the World Cup?

Even if it is just one game. You can tell a good player in minutes like Kog45 said. Nwakaeme spent over 60 minutes on the pitch, but Onyekuru needed just 25 minutes to be ranked higher by the audience.

So far, Rohr is wasting time calling up defenders when he needs to be arranging forwards.... Call up Dessers against Seychelles next year. We can size him up then, Martins has not given a reason to be considered considering his age. Defoe was the best performing player for Sunderland in their run up to relegation, that was his ticket to Bournemouth and the English team.

What is Martins doing in China currently? Is he the best player in his team? I couldn't stop laughing when Komekn cited his performances for clubs in the last 10 years, who is asking about a decade-old performance? Give us something recent like Ighalo did, let's know the basis of his call up
An old woman never grows too old for a dance she knows very well, this is a wise Igbo saying. No need stressing the point again, these people have shown that they know this dance very well, they've done it before and now we have checked and found nobody worthy of performing this dance as good as they can so why not just extend an invitation to them? Martins has been doing well, not outstanding I agree but it's not like Iheanacho has even been playing but there he is, so using one yardstick for Nacho and another for Martins is purely based on sentiments
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 9:14am On Nov 13, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Everyone had problem with the pitch. The reason why he fell repeatedly is because Nacho plays with a high velocity especially when he makes runs. In the second half, he fell less because he was getting used to the pitch.

That is not where you use to judge the ability of a player to press. As I said, this is not even a topic for debate.
Nacho is not fast, high intensity MAYBE but not high velocity and I don't see the relationship between intensity and falling on the pitch
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 9:13am On Nov 13, 2017
Just when I thought I had heard it all this one comes up grin

Anyways I insist you are joking, nice one sha


Loogan:
Your the funny one, and it's unfortunate you people like to drag players down just to defend some silly point of yours.
I don't understand you, if scoring a curler from 25yards out is not being creative, then what is? Is it until he gives 3assists in one match before you acknowledge he has some creativity in his game.
Apart from mikel who's the most creative center midfielder we have in the team presently? Since you know a lot about creativity from midfield.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 7:32am On Nov 13, 2017
safarigirl:
even if Nwakaeme does not come good, I can name four other players that should be tested before uncle Obafemi.

But some people just want to drag us back
before today I am sure you could have named five players that should be tested before Martins with Nwakaeme joining your list, but we have seen that he isn't good enough. This now begs the question, why keep on trying to jump over the fence when the gate is wide open and nobody shot you the last time you used it? These guys(Martins and Uche) have done it for us before, I am pretty sure we don't need to 'test' them, but y'all want us to keep 'testing' greenhorns that may not come good until the world cup proper when we only have two(?) international windows before the World Cup
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 8:57pm On Nov 12, 2017
jstbeinhonest:
Forget the name!
Asides Moses, I guess no other key player is missing for us. Argentina without Messi is worse than Bolivia. Talk more an Argentina without DiMaria, Mascherano, Romero n co.

See Argentina's lineup for training today (and most possibly for the game on Tuesday).

Marchesin
Mammana
Fazio
Insua
Pavon
Banega
Parades
Papu Gomes
Perotti
Dybala
Beneditto.

If we use our strongest available team (which i suspect would happen), we should defeat this team by AT LEAST a 2-goal margin.
this comment is a sharp contrast to your moniker because this is not honest at all
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 8:55pm On Nov 12, 2017
Loogan:
I see, his quality goal didn't change a damn thing bah. The way you people bring stuff up just to drag ballers down is embarrassing. I'm not gonna be the one to argue This one with you, no matter who they put even if we had kante you guys will still find a fault.
scoring a quality goal and being creative aren't the same thing na. I didnt know that scoring a goal now makes people creative, the lads in here are funny
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 6:14pm On Nov 12, 2017
Loogan:
Except mikel who is the most creative center midfielder we have presently in the team?
none. Just because everybody is getting 0 and you got 2 over 100 doesn't change a damn thing
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 5:41pm On Nov 12, 2017
Joebie:
Something I noticed about Nwakaeme. He was calm and very confident with his passes. As a full debutant, we want to see that hunger to impress at least.
that right there was his best possible performance. I failed to see how the pitch stopped him from atleast making runs and linking up well, try atleast
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 5:39pm On Nov 12, 2017
pyrex23:
lol.. Olayinka nd bonaventure na
oh I mixed two names grin my bad. But I thought they are wingers?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 5:14pm On Nov 12, 2017
Humility017:
then we still have dessers.....
how about this guys yinka Dennis and kalu all in Belgium?
I know Kalu is a winger, Samuel Kalu right? So he is out.

Meanwhile who is Yinka Dennis again? Why should we waste time testing more players when we already have people who are ready, willing and capable of doing the job for us
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 5:03pm On Nov 12, 2017
Loogan:
Only if he had more speed and were in a better league, our problem in midfield is creativity, he has that. But if he were better in training he would have gotten the nod, our coach knows best!
Ogu creative? Now now Lads, which Ogu exactly?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 5:02pm On Nov 12, 2017
Ikechukwu and Martins still dey ooo. You guys have been saying Nwakaeme is better than them, he has been tested and proven unworthy. Next now is Onuachu, they will be going one by one


Kog45:
Nwakaeme good for Eagles?with what i saw against Algeria,we don't need him.

We need a striker that w gives Ighalo and Iheanacho stiff competition not mediocre,hope to see Kayode against Argentina.

Also waiting for Rohr to extend invitation to Peter Onuachu and let see what he got to offer.

I don't know why we keep on deceiving ourselves,better to have Osimhen or Awoniyi in the team than Nwakaeme.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 4:09pm On Nov 12, 2017
Daejoyoung:
Ndidi's passing both against Zambia and Algeria has not been very good.
Onazi's passes against Cameroon were not fantastic either. In both matches he played the CMF role predominantly so all he had to do was to keep it tidy which he did. Recall that against Senegal(?) in a friendly his long balls were spot on. If you tell him to play those long passes you will see why he is playing for Leicester
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 4:07pm On Nov 12, 2017
forgiveness:
If not for incompetency of the Algerian players in front of goal, we for chop pass 5 goals yesterday.

I can still remember the one they stole the ball from Ogu or Etebor that almost led to goal.
their first chance was a cross from the wings that slimani nodded wide, at this point Ndidi was the DMF and he was where he should be, Aina was at fault, DMF THUMBS UP.


Second chance was also a cross from the left which Ezenwa missed and which was prodded wide, in this case everybody did their work, even the CB stopped to allow Ezenwa collect an easy pass/cross, the DMF then was Ogu and he was close, I checked.

The next chance was a corner, infact the next two chances were corner kicks and except you think Onazi would have done better in the air it wasn't the DMFs fault. Please tell me any bonafide chance that came through the middle, I am waiting
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 3:44pm On Nov 12, 2017
forgiveness:
Onazi is better choice than Ndidi because he is a better passer than Ndidi and with more better factors.
Onazi is a better passer than Ndidi? Ok Sir
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 3:43pm On Nov 12, 2017
forgiveness:
No way because Onazi offers more than Ndidi. grin
there was one glaring difference between Friday's match and other games, none of the players playing the DMF role at any time was EVER caught entirely out of position. It is funny that we all agree that Onazi is always caught out of position but nobody wants to say the truth that this past friday, our DMF always manned his position, the effect was that most(if not all their chances) came from Aina's wing, the middle was well defended. Onazi is not it
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 3:15pm On Nov 12, 2017
forgiveness:
I don't know how it will look if I remove Ndidi for Joel Obi.
Joel-Mikel- Onazi could be perfect. I think I prefer this. grin
replace Onazi with Ndidi and it would be perfect
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 3:14pm On Nov 12, 2017
If Ogu's performance is your definition of 'fantastic' then I Argentina will destroy us. Le2 me ask you some questions, which position was Ogu playing in the first and second half?


TheGoodJoe:
That is them. I would have praised Ogu. As I said before, I watched that game with a former Sharks FC player and he was the one that told me Ogu will cap his good performance with a goal. When the goal entered, he said he told me. Which was an impressive prediction.

Without the goal, maybe there would have been an argument fest here but I was convinced beyond reasonable doubt that Ogu was fantastic. I hope he can repeat it against Argentina.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 12:54pm On Nov 12, 2017
SerVik:
That is what pressing means. When thegoodjoe said Iheanacho presses more than Ighalo, that was what he meant. When I reaffirmed that assertion, that's what I meant. If your coach instructs you to press, that's what he means.

The issue here is just semantics. Your confusion boils from the scenario where one team has a higher possession and we say the team pressed the other.

Truth is pressing is putting pressure on the opposition with the aim of winning the ball. When guardiola was in Barcelona, we had what was called the 6seconds rule. Everyplayer is expected to win the ball back 6seconds after loosing it. This is a highly tactical high octane play.

Another example is klopp with Dortmund and Liverpool. Those are farfetched examples sef, let's come home. Look at siasia's team at the olympics, take special interest in the first game and you'll see the high pressing approach siasia employed.

A highly possessive side must press. It is the only way to to retain possession and prevent the opposition from gaining momentum. At the moment, Ighalo doesn't help in that regard.
to put it in a simpler term, pressing draws errors, me I don't know where that foul stuff comes from. Opponents impede you when you are with the ball but you press without the ball, no semblance there(hope I fell in well)
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 12:53pm On Nov 12, 2017
SerVik:
That is what pressing means. When thegoodjoe said Iheanacho presses more than Ighalo, that was what he meant. When I reaffirmed that assertion, that's what I meant. If your coach instructs you to press, that's what he means.

The issue here is just semantics. Your confusion boils from the scenario where one team has a higher possession and we say the team pressed the other.

Truth is pressing is putting pressure on the opposition with the aim of winning the ball. When guardiola was in Barcelona, we had what was called the 6seconds rule. Everyplayer is expected to win the ball back 6seconds after loosing it. This is a highly tactical high octane play.

Another example is klopp with Dortmund and Liverpool. Those are farfetched examples sef, let's come home. Look at siasia's team at the olympics, take special interest in the first game and you'll see the high pressing approach siasia employed.

A highly possessive side must press. It is the only way to to retain possession and prevent the opposition from gaining momentum. At the moment, Ighalo doesn't help in that regard.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 8:38am On Nov 11, 2017
Oasis007:
What's your take on the Formation and the rest of Players in the Lineup?!
perfectly ok with me. Your placing of Mikel was perfect, I prefer Mikel lying deep and your explanation of the roles was spot on, Mikel handles the long passes and the more difficult passes while the other midfielder(Etebo for me) would keep it tidy and neat with short passes. The rest of the squad is quite okay but you do realise that this formation can easily change back to a 4-2-3-1 formation

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