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MaxInDHouse:
This is not about my way or GB's way, rather it's about you who can't ccomprehen "why Jesus have to die instead of the Devil"

Of all those coming to the thread it's only a student under the yoke of the GB that has proved to you that God's word made some sense {Act 17:3} others are just here either to insult you or argue with one another!

Well that's the positive result of sharing the same line of thought, no religionsts has come here to give you any reasonable response and that's why your friends that left JW Organization can't find somewhere else to worship comfortably.
So it's either you submit yourself to the GB whom Jesus appointed to feed his sheep or the ATHEISTS and AGNOSTICS are already waiting to welcome you into their gathering!

Note the bolded portion. Firstly, I want to point your attention to the fact that truth is not only defined by what a thing is but also what is not.
Those who left JWs some had served more than four decades before realising that they, as you now, lived in delusion.
It is true that the word of God made sense only that the GB are not making sense out of the word.
I just watched Some your teachings that those God have not condemned Roman 8: 1; 16, even among your own brethren are condemned by GB by not allowing them to partake in your memorial meal. May be you have accepted you are condemned also. Brother wake up. You have left the confusion of Islam to enter the delusion of GB. C.T. Russell himself didn't teach such.

MaxInDHouse:
Well i don't worry about people whose reasoning contradicts my target is the teaching that's yielding positive results everywhere it's taken.
If someone choose to argue i'll keep off after all each person knows what brought him to pick interest in the Bible, mine is to know those doing God's will and join them not to just keep arguing without any purpose in mind.

Fine, doing god's will does mean it has to be your own way or GB's way. I don't need to put my neck in any GB's yoke to obey my God, bless you.

MaxInDHouse:
Well it took me several months before i could agree with Jehovah's Witnesses that the man who came as Jesus was the same Archangel Michael!

So don't think anything bad happened to him because all what Jesus needed to fulfill the requirements is human body and to live with humans, after his assignment he doesn't need that body anymore.

That's why God told Satan regarding the coming saviour:

"And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head, and you will strike him in the heel"

The head is where the Messiah (Christ) will attack the Serpent (Satan) meaning It's Jesus that God will give the power and authority to exterminate Satan.
The heel is where Satan will strike the Messiah, meaning Satan will only make Jesus feel bad due to the way Jews will turn against their long awaited Messiah.

We can't reason same way, it does agree with the core theme of the bible.

MaxInDHouse:
At first when God foretold that humans will be rescued by a perfect human that will undo all the damages Satan, Adam and Eve caused. Satan would have thought that's impossible because Adam and Eve can't produce any perfect child so if God should use any of Adam's (imperfect) descendants as the propitiatory sacrifice for sin that will not be just.
But when Satan heard that Michael is the one coming to stand as a perfect human, Satan was battle prepared for Michael. He began making arrangements for humans who will deal ruthlessly with Michael (a great heavenly Prince) Satan is proud so he believes Michael will fail, Why? Because in heaven Michael is the head of all the angels that's why he is called the Archangel! Jude 9
But Satan is unaware that of all God's creation humans are Michael's choicest, Michael love humans most in all the works his father used him to make! Proverbs 8:22-31
So God vowed in His anger that as Michael is the one going to redeem humans from Adamic sin, His anger will blaze against whoever fails to yield to Michael's counsels!
God transformed Michael into an embryo in the womb of a Jewish virgin called Mary.
The Jesus was born!
Note that this child is not one from the produce of Adam so his life existence did not originate from this source {John 8:23} and his life here is meaningless since his home is not here! {John 14:1-4} therefore he must return to his own home where he began his life!

Now to answer MightySparrow's question!

Jesus can't continue living with us because he will never grow old since he never inherited Adam's sin.
So he was here for a purpose which is to prove his faithfulness to God as a perfect human and a replacement for Adam, by so doing all those connected to him will gain everlasting life {John 3:16 compare to 1Corinthians 15:45} secondly he will give his perfect human life as a propitiatory sacrifice for sin and that is what he took back to heaven to present before God and all the angels {Revelations 5:6-10} Thirdly he will set the perfect standard through his counseling for all those who wants to gain his father's approval. Matthew 3:17, 17:5

That is what Jesus (Michael) came to do on this planet, he wasn't here to come and live just like Adam's descendants whose home is earth {Psalms 115:16} therefore he must return to his own home (heaven) that is why he said after he has done all that is required to save Mankind:

"When he had received the sour wine, Jesus said: “It has been accomplished!” and bowing his head, he gave up his spirit" John 19:30

May you all have PEACE!

This makes some sense. The earlier responses didn't. There are still some extrapolations though.

MaxInDHouse:
Deadi bodi geti accident yeepa!

Confusion breaki bonu yeepa!

Na double wahala for deadi bodi and the owner of deadi bodi double wahala for deadi bodiiiiiii!
Na double wahala for deadi bodi and the owner of deadi bodi double wahala for deadi bodiiiiiii!

Where are the trinitarians?

Come and save one of your brethren whose fire of faith is gradually extinguishing as there is no oil to continue lighting up his lamp! Matthew 25:1-12

I would have helped him but this is the time to answer for all his errors, sebi all this while that i've notice how conscientious he is i was trying to give him the oil that will sustain his lamp but what he always say is DELUSION! DELUSION!! all because he doesn't want to subject himself under the Organization God is using.

He was busy contemplating on the complaint of Apostates that left the truth, OK why not go and ask those Apostates to help him solve the riddle?

Just imagine a simple question our kids in JW Organization will answer with ease:

Why must God sacrifice His Son for the sin of Adam and Eve?

Well i'm still waiting for your trinitarian brethren to come and answer the question for you, because the only key to solve the riddle is in the hands of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

I'm saying it now with boldness that the only key to unlock the door is with JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, whoever wants to dispute that can come forward now to answer MightySparrow's question!

You don't know how to summarize? The nonsense is too long.

DappaD:
OK so now you want meaningful/intelligible answers from people you claimed are living in delusion? FYI, this is how a certain Nairalander by the name LordR.eed started out. He was what I would call your regular churchgoer until when he began to realise that he couldn’t substantiate his faith since real faith is not a possession of many(2Thessalonians 3:2) and so he became a full-time atheist.
Your question makes it evident that many who aren’t Witnesses are in serious spiritual hunger & thirst. Luke 16:24
Jehovah’s Witnesses always invite people to come and join them in partaking from Jehovah’s table where there are an abundance of rich, free, spiritual delicacies(Isaiah 25:6, 55:1, Revelation 22:17) which helps one remain spiritually alive and healthy(Deuteronomy 8:3) but since most people decide to reject the proper source of spiritual food(Isaiah 55:2), they remain in spiritual hunger. Amos 8:11

Self acclaimed Bible teachers! The thinking of sole owner of knowledge of scriptures is the delusion I always mention. Over the years, the organisation has made some serious errors. Some it has acknowledged, some they have not. Some ex - members with good conscience have either left or disfellowshipes for the sake of truth. Many of these honest seekers served the erring organisation for decades before realising its errors.
As for me, I still read your publications, nothing new about rycling same rhetorics.

You will be a good seeker of truth if you expand your sphere of source of knowledge. Most of JWs I have met, are people that have their minds conditioned by indoctrination not actual knowledge. Those who are bold to leave the organisation regret the time of brainwashing in the 'truth'.

One or many hundreds on YouTube is Eric Wilson. Make time to watch him. Only unserious Christian can take JWs serious. Keep your spiritual food bro.

MaxInDHouse:
I am Maximus one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, are you ready to fetch the answer to your question in the Bible all by yourself?

I will only guide you to the answers is only you're willing to learn!

Give answer.

MaxInDHouse:
Now i know why you're always referring to sound and reasonable Interpretation as delusion, perhaps you'll find happiness in ATHEISM or AGNOSTISM!

Na, none of your suggestions is my choice. A simple question demands a simple answer not rhetorics.

Janosky:
Bros, you claimed Jesus is God.
Why would redemption be logical to you since your God, Jesus killed himself, not Satan"?



Your Triune God has been assiduously making plans to come to earth to die in the hands of men, why would the 3 of them have the time to plan for destruction of the Devil?

You have not given any intelligible answer, you display more of the delusion that reason.
The simple question is why Jesus and not the devil.
May I should add another, ' why is plan or redemption taking so long a time since the Fall? Meaningful answers biko

Uyi168:
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My dear.
The moment you understand why God, who created Satan has refused to kill him for peace to reign, then the whole scam becomes very clear to you..

It's that simple.

You have just identified the question, then give the answer.

valentineuwakwe:
Go read John 3:16

Ok, after reading, what?

ifnyioj22:
say it again

Machine

Kobojunkie:
Probably because the redemption doctrines and traditions of men you have been gorging on are nothing but lies.

Let us learn from your truth

The whole story of redemption somehow not logical.It generates much questions than answers it intends to proffer.
Why would a third party die for a sin not committed?
Why Jesus? Why didn't God destroy the Devil for once? Theologians in the house over to you.

How much does that add to my account

Good piece, some here on Nairaland will tell you only in their organisation is love found.


Let love lead because God is love.

No African nations that are manufacturing anything without the white assistance. Ordinary construction of rads we can't do well. Is it modern day jet bomber, submarine, heavy duty tank we will manufacture? This OP.is day dreaming.
However the white repented and abolished slavery and after WWs made a UN Laws that forbid the fears of the OP. The oyinbos are paying heavily for this now. They are spending fortunes to curtail ISIS, Al Qaeda, etc. Before this Law, they could deal ruthlessly with any Arab countries with such tendencies with their weapons now. But the law has incapacitated them. No dears OP.

Machine

Have sex with her too, it becames a draw

BeeBeeOoh:



Imagine putting us in a tight corner like this?Silas wey be Paul's manche back then no fit answer this kind question

Maximus'side has an answer, he is JW.


Copy him

Hausa like toto! Chai?

Nigeria own don pafuka

Father stealer: Chukwutinunbu Abdulonyema Al -Okorie Chibola.

Jesus = Archangel Michael = Firstborn from the dead = beginning of God's creation = Alpha and Omega = The beginning and the end = the judge of dead and the living = Everlasting Father = only begotten Son = Only begotten of the Father = Express Image of invisible God = in him all fullness of Godhead deelleth bodily = creator of visible and invisible, in him all things consist = he created all things including himself= He fills all in all = God

The same old question. Don't mind MaximumSide, JWs opinion is just one of myriad of opinions. JWs claim to know all, it is a lie. There opinion is not scripturally logical. Though, they want to force down your throat. Read the Bible yourself and other materials, make your own decision.

hybridblood07:
As a Medical officer

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Thanks so much

Apostlekings:
The truth is that whenever I'm alone, my spirit keeps telling me God wants me to work for him but I just see it as an imagination... Or I'm just thinking....

Last three years I gave my brother a prophecy and it came to pass, lol my brother said a strong spirit is holding me, he is just saying base on how I behave at time, the way I reason is different, Everyone can say yes on something and I will say no and the thing will be no as I said... I can study someone's mind and tell you what you want to say... My close friends knows I'm spiritual, but we just see it as something normal...
I told my brother he will by a car and he bought a car, before I told him that, I see him and I wearing the same white Polo standing beside his car, I was just imagining, so I told him I can feel it for him having a car and it came to pass...
My family cannot do something without seeking an advise from me... My mother was told by a prayer woman to always discuss anything with me and seek advice from me that whatever I told her, she should do it....

Whatever I say it's how it will be... But I'm just thinking it's a natural gift from God, but I don't know God is calling me...
I'm surprised...

Calling itself is a gift, ask him what to do. Still be patient and pray more. Ask Him for direction. He will guide you. Things will unfold with time.

Apostlekings:
I have the feelings, I know God is calling me but I want God to prove to me He is calling me....

Yes the things I see I know I'm spiritual because whenever something wants to happen I will feel it...
But as a human being I can't decide, I need prove...
Thank you for your advice...

Go to him in sincere prayers. Calling precedes birth, you grow to discover it. When Elijah threw his mantle on Elisha, immediately he knew the meaning. He must have been feeling something as you are now. Be sincere in your prayers. God is not an author of confusion. Be prompt to obey. Delay always attract consequences that you will not be able to handle.

hybridblood07:
He retired as a Captain, not Colonel

Ok, thanks for the correction.

Apostlekings:
I was told today that God is calling me to work for Him..
I don't usually go to church, infact I don't go to church but today my brother invited me to a church, to my greatest surprise all the prayers worriors in the church was saying the same thing that God is calling me to work for him...
They also said I can do any how I want now but when the right time for God comes, the way He will drag me to work for Him will surprise me, that I can't run away from working for God, that God is calling me to be an apostle...


The truth is that, yes I do see things before it happens, sometimes in my dreams or imagination, I can imagine of something and it will happen in reality... I have Imagined and see myself preaching the gospel to the people, healing and doing some good works of God,
But I was just thinking all this are just an imagination till today a woman of God told me God is calling me to work for Him...

They said I'm called to be an apostle, that I can't run away to work for God, They also said God is calling me to deliver my family.....

Honestly I know, I keep having the feelings, when I preach to the people about Christ they said I should go and join Bible study, but I see what they said as a joke....
Sometimes I'm hungry to preach to the people about the word of God...

Whatever I touch and pray for someone it always work, any sick person I pray for always get healed.. if I pray for someone and give him days to be healed, before the day he or she will get healed...

Since I was born, I have never sick to the extent of going to the hospital, my sickness doesn't last for two days, I can stay for 5years or more without being sick...

Well why I'm writing this is that, how can someone know that God is callin hig him..
Because me I like worldly things but I respect God and Christ...

They said God is calling me to be an apostle, that I can't run away from it...

The pastors in the house, how can someone know that God is calling him...

No insult please....

There are so many wrong teachers on Nairaland. The Bible talks about spiritual understanding , logic. God is still calling people. His choice alone. He doesn't consult anyone to advise on whom to call.

If you are called, you will know, somehow.. Somehow, you may need confirmation. The confirmation will not contradict what you already know.
You at first resist or pretend not to know, the voice will be cominging stronger.

Read books, google same topic to have shades of ideas. The issue of calling is a universal phenomenon. Read life history of men of God, you will see similarities in your experience.

If you want to study medicine, you don't engage a lawyer on argument on it. Go to a practicing doctor or a doctor in training. Some of responses on NL are from self acclaimed ignorant people, who don't know what they are talking about. Read about the Call of Apostle Ayo Babalola, Rev. J.O. Akindayomi, W. F. Kumuyi, Maria Woodworth - Etter, Kathryn Kulman, Morris Cerrullo, Benny Hinn, in addition to Elisha, Paul, Barnabas etc.