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haekymbahd:
I know the bible especially book of genesis is not reliable due to so many errors and contradictions even about the order creations. so to me it is not worthy of a standard there could be some conspiracy theory behind it.

Abraham had only one son.
When God told Abraham to kill his son Isaac, God referred to Isaac as Abrahams's "only son."
Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac ... and offer him there for a burnt offering. Genesis 22:2

1600 or so years after Abraham supposedly lived, the author of Hebrews repeated God's reference to Isaac as Abraham's "only son."
By faith Abraham when he was tried, offered up Isaac ... his only begotten son. Hebrews 11:17

Abraham had two sons.
Abraham was 86 years old when his son Ishmael was born.
And Hagar bare Abraham a son: and Abram called his son's name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael. And Abram was fourscore and six years old, when Hagar bare Ishmael to Abram. Genesis 16:15-16

Sixteen years later, when Abraham was 100 years old, Isaac was born.
For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son is his old age .... And Abraham called him Isaac. ... And Abraham was an hundred years old, when his son Isaac was born. Genesis 21:2-5
Abraham had two sons; the one [Ishmael] by a bond-woman [Hagar], and the other [Isaac] by a free woman [Sarah]. Galatians 4:22

Abraham had seven or eight sons
(Depending on whether or not Ishmael is Abraham's son.)
Many years later, Abraham "took" another wife (or concubine) and had six more sons.
Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah. And she bare him Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. Genesis 25:1-2
Now the sons of Keturah, Abraham's concubine: she bare Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. 1 Chronicles 1:32



If Abraham had an only son and only begotten son at any point in history it was Ishmael because he was his first.
And the fact is God made a promise to Ishmael too even though Isaac might have been the promise son. Yeah the promise of God has not changed God made lot of promise not only to Isaac but also too Ishmael.

Also

It is clear the Jew are expecting Elijah, the messiah and also a prophet. Jesus said John the Baptist was Elijah.
So I ask you who is the prophet and who fulfilled the prophecy because it is clear the prophet can't be Jesus?

John 1

19 And this is the testimony of John when the Jews sent priests and Levites to him from Jerusalem to ask him, Who are you?

20 He confessed (admitted the truth) and did not try to conceal it, but acknowledged, I am not the Christ!

21 They asked him, What then? Are you Elijah? And he said, I am not! Are you the Prophet? And he answered, No!(H)

22 Then they said to him, Who are you? Tell us, so that we may give an answer to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?

23 He said, I am the voice of one crying aloud in the wilderness [the voice of one shouting in the desert], Prepare the way of the Lord [level, straighten out, the path of the Lord], as the prophet Isaiah said.(I)

24 The messengers had been sent from the Pharisees.

25 And they asked him, Why then are you baptizing if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?



Who is the prophet being talked about which the Jew are expecting?

A clue

Deuteronomy 18 Vs 18

I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him.

Who fulfilled that prophecy?

Your argument is logical but still haven’t answered the question raised. Your analysis still subject to so many factors. 1. Who, when , how were the records of Genesis altered?. 2. Who has the original writ? 3. Why didn’t Ishmaelites tell their own history before Mohammed? Why did God neglect the children of Ketursh as did Ishmael? 4. How reliable is Mohammed’s revelation that came 3000+ later.
5. The claim that Mohammed was the awaited prophet, did he actually claim that or inferred by a devotee of Islam like you after his death.
Ishmael himself was not an Arab - see one of the posts above as reported by an authentic Hadith.

haekymbahd:
Bro I understand you religion is about faith. Personally this is my view on that I will go with the Islamic view because Islamically when Abraham was to sacrificed Ishmael and at the time Isaac has not yet been born making Ishmael the only son then.

From the Christian perspective Isaac was to be sacrificed but he wasn't Abraham's only son.

Genesis 22:12
12 And He said, Do not lay your hand on the lad or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear and revere God, since you have not held back from Me or begrudged giving Me your son, your only son.

I believe the mistake came from the Bible.

It couldn't have come from the bible. the story of the bible is complete and straight forward. bible story is mainly about the house of israel and how jesus was linked with adam. also, god promised abraham a son through sarah but impatience ishmael came to the scene but promise from god has not changed. if i

ThatFairGuy:
Obasanjo doesn't deserve one with such statement. This is DEATH.

Obasanjo ko ni respect fun death, he is a soldier.

Bobo yen o ni respect.

Really beautiful.

sagenaija:
You're on point!!

The illiterate, no knowledge man was trading for his first wife according to the same Islam. How did he keep records? How did he negotiate trade? Or was he simply a 'security guard' for the wife's caravans?

This is one of the bare-faced lies Islam wants it's unthinking adherents to believe. All in a bid to elevate a less-than-a-Robbin-Hood to prophethood.

Thanks, tell them the truth, they will asking for one's head.

BeardedMeat:
Today Yorubas want Oduduwa republic. Tomorrow they want restructuring. Next they want presidency.
What do yorubas really want?

Aso rock in 2023, Tinubu is the arrow head. all other things will naturally fall in place. as igbo, if they don't know what they want, How wouldthey know what to do and who to present?

Igbos don'! know what they want

K

Lukuluku69:
Ok.

K

Lukuluku69:
You can't handle your own references and you want me to quote from the one you don't believe in?

So long. It is better to lay off what you don't have knowledge about because A Day is coming we will ALL be called to give ACCOUNTS for ALL that transpired here. Even the idle words will count against us.

Islam is falsehood in the absolule. You people condemn bible you can't understand or refuse to acknowledge. Go through wikipaedia and bronwse Saudi Arabia, long before mohammed was born the place was dominated by christianity. He was born into it. the lie told by muslims now is that he was a complete illiterate, no schooling, no knowledge. the man just sat somewhere, copied what suited his 'ministry' from the Bible and condemn the source protected the 'new revelation' with violence. The same is in force today! What we are discussing here could attract fatwa if not because of identity - saving internet. I could imagine the rage going on within you even now.

1Sharon:
Watch what you say!!

Say what you watch!!!

Bawal:
Due to some challenges, I and my wife are staying in one room self con and her 30 year old sister has been staying with us for some months now, my wife is older than her by three years.

Making love has been challenging since then even though the sister puts bed on the floor and sleep,most time when we assume she is asleep and engage in the act, i will later observe that she is not sleeping. Though she will maintain as if she is sleeping and this is constituting an uneasy environment.

In fact most time she knows when we are doing it. We are very uncomfortable over the act and she is not moving out from the house soonest. Though she is an adult that such may not sound strange to her, but indirectly seeing or hearing the sound on when i am performing duty on her elder sister makes us feel uncomfortable especially when we see one another in the morning after the act.

Please whats the right way to manage this situation. Advise please.

Stop making love, simple.

Lukuluku69:
You are still taking a peek from a Keyhole. Come out in the open to enjoy the splendour of the horizon.

You are Muslim and you know quran and other books of islam. I am not a muslim and do not know Quran, but in the name of truth, qoute your references!

Lukuluku69:
I thought you agreed that we can reason it out. I am no Bible Scholar I only say the little I know of it.

It is okay if you don't believe in Islam what is wrong is to peddle lies around.

As for Paran, try Wiki and if God did not deal it the Arabs before Muhammad, that's God perogative not mine.

Just go through Genesis and see the detailed spread of nations and peoples, a reference in historical research and science. How can an incomplete, not detailed revelation condemn ( Qur'an has not really condemned) but adherents that shifting goal post. See my post above and wiki link.

Lukuluku69:
According to the Bible:

1. Abraham prayed for a son/an heir.
2. God told him he shall have one.
3. Abraham had a son when he was 86 years (Ishmael)
4. Abraham was circumscised when he was 99 years (why?)
5. Issac was born when Abraham was 100yrs.
6. God instruction/command was: Offer THINE ONLY SON!
7. When Issac came, Abraham had 2 (TWO) SONS and not an ONLY SON.
8. The Circumscision (every male: Abraham, his son Ishmael and all servant were circumscised that day at 99yrs. And in line with the Covenant Issac was circumscised when he was 8 Days old (as Muslims do till date)

The name Ishmael was replaced with Issac in all of Genesis 17 and replaced with Issac. This was the reason the Jews wanted Jesus dead! He told them their age-long LIES to their Faces!

All these have not given any Qur’anic evidence being undiluted Allah’s word but mere conjecture and evil intrapolation. The Bible is more direct about its own records and reasons. I doubt if any Hadith talks about it, so the inferences are unrealistic and unreliable.

Did Abraham or Ishmael ever lived in saudi arabia? Did they build ka'aba together? That seems not a fact of history.

[quote author=WaterTheMonk post=92565261]you are not exactly totally right. Abraham came from Mesopotamia. It comprises of a large expanse of area covering countries in this modern day[




/Dt 26:5 And thou shalt speak and say before the Lord thy God, A Syrian[b][/b][font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font] ready to perish was my father, and he went down into h Egypt, and sojourned there with a few, and became there a nation, great, mighty, and populous: 6 And the Egyptians evil entreated us, and afflicted us, and laid upon us hard bondage: 7 And when we cried unto the Lord God of our fathers, the Lord heard our voice, and looked on our affliction, and our labour, and our oppression:

Aram referred to as Syria & Mesopotamia. Aram, also known as Aramea, is the homeland of the Arameans and a region mentioned in the Bible in present-day Syria, including where the city of Aleppo now stands.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
Aram

Lukuluku69:
1. Abraham was not Syrian but Hebrew. It is the Bible.
2. Ishmael with his Mum were placed in Wilderness of Paran. Google Paran, it will tell you it current name and location.
3. Yes the Muslim used to face Jerusalem until they were told to stop.
4. Muhammad never said Judaism and Christianity were pagan. Please bring your references. What he taught was that the Christians are LOST while the Jews have Divine WRATH on them.
5. As for the Mode of worship, please find out how Jesus prayed in the garden of Gethamane, how Isaiah prayed and read Psalm 95.

Another lies from a self acclaimed Bible scholar.
1. Read through Genesis and Deuteronomy, you will discover that Abraham came from Syria.
2. Tell me with historical facts where Paran is, though that doesn’t matter because the was no record of God dealing with Arabs millennials until Mohammed.
3. I don’t believe in Mohammed”s revelations because they truths that can not be verified or challenged No pwithout the thread of death. Truth remains unchanged whoever challenges it.
4. Allah commanded Muslims to fight Jews and Christians wherever they find them, this commission them agent of his WRATH. In the eyes of Muslims it is like the entire State of Israel be wiped off.
4. No prophet of the Bible laid down any posture for praying. If your prophet gave you one, it is absolutely Islamic and has no connection with Christianity or Judaism. These are lies of Islam

Allah is merciful god of merciless Muslims

OP, your observation is very correct. The mode of worship introduced by Mohammed is alien to both Judaism and Christianity that hardly can you trace anything to abraham. The doctrines have no link with the confirmed. initially, Muslims used to face Jerusalem for prayer, a 'revelation' came and the direction, history, and doctrine were changed when Jews and Christians would not listen to him. Later, Mohammed claimed that Christianity and Judaism are pagan religions that are his divine duty and his followers to destroy. Abraham was a syrian, Ishmael was never recorded to have visited Mecca until about 4000 years later that angel 'Jubril' visited an 'unlettered' and 'uninformed' merchant turn prophet who knew 'nothing' about Judaism and Christianity changed every and all things. Haba!

NNUOOOO:
Igbo Man for you!!!

If igbos will not support one another, is it Hausa or Berom that help them achieve presidential ambition?.

We igbos don't like nonsense suya.

complexBoss12:
Buhari look like hu fit give person belle?

Don't doubt old soldier o.

Pa3cia:
Because it says otherwise, I won't summarize either.

OK o, he is your prophet.

Pa3cia:
I can't summarize.

Why angry with my summary?

Pa3cia:
If i talk wetin dey my mind ehenn, Nairaland will ban me, btw, is that what the prophet said, na wa for you o.

What did he say?

haekymbahd:
Bro I understand you religion is about faith. Personally this is my view on that I will go with the Islamic view because Islamically when Abraham was to sacrificed Ishmael and at the time Isaac has not yet been born making Ishmael the only son then.

From the Christian perspective Isaac was to be sacrificed but he wasn't Abraham's only son.

Genesis 22:12
12 And He said, Do not lay your hand on the lad or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear and revere God, since you have not held back from Me or begrudged giving Me your son, your only son.

I think think the mistake came from the Bible.

Start reading the story of isaac and ishmael from chapter 16 as arranged chronoloigically. The passage you pointed out is out of context.

Lukuluku69:
Op, your queries are actually easy to answer answer. Very easy but would believe the responses? Would you?

We are told to REASON with People with genuine queries. Are you ready to reason?

Yes, keep the ball rolling. The responses must appeal reason beyond any iota of doubt.

It is a lie, mere conjecture. Google the historicity surrounding the practice. Islam is falsehood. Of course, every truth should be challengeable. But Islamic truth is not! Fatwa is pronounced on whoever attempts. Et, this truth is from a ‘saintified’ person who should not be queried. Lie upon lie, sometimes defying common sense and historical facts!

haekymbahd:
The first embolden points to ishmail
The second shows Abraham was rewarded with isaac for submitting to the will of God.

haekymbahd:
"My Lord, grant me [a child] from among the righteous."
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 100)
Allah SWT said:

"So We gave him good tidings of a forbearing boy."
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 101)

"And when he reached with him [the age of] exertion, he said, O my son, indeed I have seen in a dream that I [must] sacrifice you, so see what you think. He said, O my father, do as you are commanded. You will find me, if Allah wills, of the steadfast."
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 102)

"And when they had both submitted and he put him down upon his forehead,"
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 103)

"We called to him, O Abraham,"
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 104)

"You have fulfilled the vision. Indeed, We thus reward the doers of good."
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 105)

"Indeed, this was the clear trial."
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 106)

"And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice,"
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 107)

"Indeed, We thus reward the doers of good."
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 110)

"And We gave him good tidings of Isaac, a prophet from among the righteous."
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 112)

"And We blessed him and Isaac. But among their descendants is the doer of good and the clearly unjust to himself."
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 113)



From the verse above it shows ishmail was the one even though is name was not mentioned but it showed Abraham had a boy before isaac.

I can’t see Ishmael there, you can highlight please

haekymbahd:
Allah SWT said:
"O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger to make clear to you [the religion] after a period [of suspension] of messengers, lest you say, There came not to us any bringer of good tidings or a warner. But there has come to you a bringer of good tidings and a warner. And Allah is over all things competent."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 19)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Address the issue of ishmael bro.

haekymbahd:
There is no other God except Allah

"And when a messenger from Allah came to them confirming that which was with them, a party of those who had been given the Scripture threw the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they did not know [what it contained]."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 101)


"O mankind, fear your Lord and fear a Day when no father will avail his son, nor will a son avail his father at all. Indeed, the promise of Allah is truth, so let not the worldly life delude you and be not deceived about Allah by the Deceiver."
(QS. Luqman 31: Verse 33)


"And when our verses are recited to him, he turns away arrogantly as if he had not heard them, as if there was in his ears deafness. So give him tidings of a painful punishment."
(QS. Luqman 31: Verse 7)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

So who was that verse referring to Jesus?

Didnt you see the word "among their brethren" who were they? Isrealites and ishmaelites

You christians are the liars by saying that it is Jesus when Jesus was an isrealite( a Jew) pretending as if the comming of muhammad was not prophecied.

"I will raise up for them a prophet" Was Jesus a prophet or God?

"and will put My words in his mouth"Did God put word in Jesus mouth or muhammad? Quran the word of God.

"he shall speak to them all that I command him" Bismillahi Rahman Raheem (In the name of of Allah the most beneficient, the merciful)



"And if you asked them, Who created the heavens and earth? they would surely say, Allah. Say, [All] praise is [due] to Allah ; but most of them do not know."
(QS. Luqman 31: Verse 25)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Islam is a lie! In fact the proper name for Islam should be Is - a - lie! Just last week I was curious to know why the Bible says Isaac was to be sacrificed and Muslims sacrifice ran yearly for Ishmael and I discovered that Ishmael was never mentioned in the Quran. It was not even mentioned that he war sacrificed. So many other make believe stories and fallacies. Angel Jubril re - write stories thousands years after to a prophet. Haha!?