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sky2891:
SEC chairman has been changed recently.
I hope its not what I am thinking.
Like changing INEC chairman prior to election...

Your brain is working too fast; Lol.
Abeg, let us allow Oando breathe small!
Wale must be tired and exhausted by now if he were to be on this platform

Krismas:
Completely wrong. thats not what the place said. THE PART OF SYRIA THAT EXTENDS SOUTHWARDS TO EGYPT IS PALESTINE. am paraphrasing.
it only means that most of palestine was syria then.
thats why i wanted you to see how alexander divided his kingdom. alexander gave Egypt to Ptolemy and Syria to Seleucid. u cant know this and still say Egypt was part of Palestine. no. Egypt is Ptolemy and Palestine is Seleucid.

Go read the encircled section of the book again and look at the map of the middle east!
.......''This part of Syria together with the country which extends southward to Egypt is all in Palestine....This confirms my position that the original word ''Palestine'' comprises Syria, Lebanon, Israel and Jordan and section(s) of Egypt! .
Syria and Egypt do not share any direct boundaries, hence the phrase ''the country which extends southward to Egypt'' can only refer to the area of Lebanon, Jordan and Israel! Check your map!
The phrase ''.....is all in Palestine'' should therefore confirm to you that the word ''Palestine'' originally referred to a region combining or made of different nations or people.

In other words:,
Syrian was/is in ''Palestine'' and Syrians were/are ''Palestinians'';
Jordan was/is in ''Palestine'' and Jordanians were/are ''Palestinians''
Israel was/is in ''Palestine'' and Israelis were/are ''Palestinians'',
Lebanon was/is in ''Palestine'' and Lebanese were/are ''Palestinians''

Indeed, this was the actual situation many years ago because all these people used to share only one identification document (e.g. passport) as citizens of ''Palestine''. The Roman empire used only one document for all of them!

There are kings who were ruling in these places before they were defeated by the Romans

So the word ''Palestine'' did not refer to a separate monolithic people, the now called ''Palestinians'' the way some people, especially the Arabs want the world to believe now.
It is the strategy of the Arabs living on the land of Israel who are opposed to the creation of Israel (and refused to to be assimilated into State of Israel like other Arab Israelis) that adopted the old name '' Palestine'' and ''Palestinians'' in order to distort the history and mislead the world!

They cannot arrogate the word/name ''Palestine'' to themselves alone!

Krismas:
LOL
1. U are the clown for not seeing that there have never been the land of Israel on any world map. the only proof u have is bible, which is no proof at all.
2. the land has been Palestine long before the 5th century BC, long long time before the romans ever wandered to the place and i will include two proofs in pictures. if u know how to use google, why not check that out?
3. alexander the great is a historical figure, while david and solomon and their likes are myths and legends whos existence is difficult to establish. for instance, over 20 top historians in the days of jesus never mentioned him. the only mention of him are in gospels which had no authors or dubious authors like flavius josephus, whos accounts have been rubbished by academia knowledgeable on the subject repeatedly
4. the kings of israel are mythical and no different from the kings in the fairy tales we all heard as kids
5. the combined period Judaeans (those who practice Judaism) ruled in Palestine is not more than 400yrs combined. where then did u get 1000yrs of Israel rule from? you have a lot to learn and if all you have as evidence, is bible and qoran to back up ur stories, then dont u think your claims are flimsy?
6. the accuracy of the bible is only a matter of blind faith. its holds no water in actuality. i for one, think christains are the most deluded peoples i have ever come across. its some form of self deciet. a religion of LIES.

HERODITUS WROTE THE HISTORIES AROUND 425 B.C AND THE PLACE WAS PALESTINE THEN. 353YEARS BEFORE ROMANS EVER CAME TO PALESTINE.


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Keep on contradicting yourself.
I had mentioned that a part/section of Egypt was included in the old ''Palestine'' as called by the Roman, but you argued to the contrary.
The encircled portion in your book extract states that parts of Syria and Eqypt were in ''Palestine''!

Empiree:
Okay... Show me evidence (video footage) of resistance using humans as shields as you said since you follow events in Gaza.

I will appreciate

Go watch Al-Jazeera, BBC, CNN and listen! You would find Hamas tunnels under people's living rooms and schools

I wonder if you wanted me to show you footage to prove that I am a Christian or Muslim, or none, or both, too!

Choiceguy:
The only thing Oando needs now to appreciate in price is the issues of delist, once it is settled (suspended) which will be cleared by 24th of June 2024.there is no further adjournment the price will skyrocket.

If the acquisition of NAOC by Oando becomes successful and finalized, Oando would have proven oil reserves of about 1billion barrels. At a very conservative estimate of USD50 per barrel, that gives USD50billion. Even if only 50% of that is recoverable, that makes it USD25billion.
At a conservative rate of N1000/USD, that is N25 Trillion naira! The total indebtedness of Oando is far less than that, so there is HUGE potential in Oando. The short-term may be very challenging but the long term prospect is very bright! But for those who don't mind buying and waiting

Empiree:
Are you a Christian?

Irrelevant question.
I can see and follow the evens happening in Gaza!

Krismas:

1. your talk is becoming boring and repetitive. if u make claims, den u have to prove them. so i suggest u attempt to back up ur claims going forward. u saying so, does not make it so. the bible saying so, does not make it so. the bible is not a history book, neither is it accepted by all persons as accurate and unbiased rendition of historic events
2. the romans did not name the place Palestine as mistakenly narrated. but rather, RENAMED the place to its former name, Palestine. and historic Palestine never included egypt at all. many even argue, that the entire place was syria and they maybe right.
3. i include a map of how alexander the great shared his kingdom before he died. this was long before the romans came to the place
4. so the romans' syria palestine, did not include syria. syria palestine, means roman palestine and its headquarters was in syria.
5 david, solomon etc are all characters whos existence are questionable to begin with. they only exist in the bible. no proof of those folks outside some religious literatures. look at a man like Ramesses 2 who lived 1325 BC. if his dead body could still be found, why is it that the likes of moses, joshua, solomon, david etc cannot be found or anything concrete on them is not out there aside the religious books?
even aristotle, who lived 500yrs before the time of christ, has books he wrote, has a burst to his name. while there is nothing absolutely to prove jesus existed.
6. u can google it. jews first started coming to palestine in the 1800s. make ur research on the matter

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You are very funny indeed! You prefer quoting sources that are based on the personal opinion(s) of some characters or authors, but avoid quoting the most fundamental historical account about the land of Israel.

The land in question had existed for thousands of years and it was never called "Palestine" until the Romans came!

You claim David and Solomon are characters whose existence were questionable, but you want me to look at and accept the map of the so called ''kingdom'' of Alexander the great''! Pathetic!

Was the era of your Alexander before the era of all the kings of Israel that ruled over Jerusalem? You are cleverly avoiding the history that would disprove your theory, but luring me to accept your own cooked stories!
Alexander the great my foot!

If you cannot acknowledge the fact people like David, Joshua, Solomon, and other kings of Israel (confirmed in both Quran and Bible) actually lived and ruled over Judea and Samaria for thousands of years before the Romans came, then there is nothing you will be willing to learn on this matter. You can go ahead and believe in your Alexanders, Ramesses and Aristotle.
If you say the Bible is not accepted by all persons as accurate and unbiased rendition of historic events, (even though there are no better or superior version of its account of historical of events anywhere in the world), then why do you think you can convince anyone with your latter-day hearsays and corrupted versions of same events?

Empiree:
You see, y'all really in nuclear weapons. That's it. Israel can not fight conventional warfare. How is Gaza going 6 months on?. Watch debate btw Norman Finkelstein and Benny Morris when Norman asked him about if IDF is overwhelmed in conventional warfare?. Morris response was "we will use nuclear weapons". You think nuclear weapon is easily deployed like that?. It is self destructive.

The war happening in Gaza is not a conventional warfare. It is guerilla warfare in an urban area!

The way Israel has chosen to fight the war is what has made it to last this long.
Have you seen (anywhere in the world) where an army sends message to citizens of its enemy (that wants to destroy the army) and inform them to move away from one place to another in order not to arm them and minimize casualties? That is what the IDF has been doing several times and making the war to drag on for this long. they are about to do the same thing in Rafah so that not many people would die.

They could have done it another way but the casualty would be too high.

Hamas has been running and hiding behind civilian structures to launch attacks at IDF; that is not conventional warfare. It is urban guerilla war!

Krismas:

1. if the romans named the place Palestine. then why do u still keep calling the people living in the place, Israelites and Jews rather than calling dem Palestinians? the people there never changed. only their name was changed from Judaeans to Palestinians
2. there u go again. quran and bible and torah thats always your last resort? israel is nothing but a religious scam, having no historic relevance or truth in it and viciously peddled by religious cranks

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How could you be so myopic?
The Romans named the place Palestine which includes '' Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Israel and parts of Egypt''!.
All the citizens of these places share the same identification document bearing ''Government of Palestine''!

How could the Israelis jettison their original identity and assume a new one?
If you care to listen, the Israelis had been there long before the Romans came, so they know better! The Romans also acknowledged thus fact and say the land belong to Israel!

You always avoid making reference to the Quran and Bible because you know your lies will be exposed. So you prefer talking about 1935 and 1948.
What superior or older facts of history do you have?

You said the Israelis started coming to Palestine in 1800s? You must be dreaming! Where were your Romans when David, Solomon, Hezekiah and other kings of Israel were ruling in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria in 600AD?

The so called ''Palestinians'' are Arabs who came to live in the land of Israel after the Romans sacked the Israelis from their land. That is how Muslims came to live in many cities in Israel, including Nazareth, the home of Jesus Christ.!
If you don't know, there had been many wars fought in Jerusalem over different periods
You want bastards to come and claim being Hebrew and steal the land of Israel?

222Martins:
They think N3Trillion is N3Billion.......Somebody even dropped a link that Oando took fresh AFREXIM loan of $800million in 2023. A time may come when Oando peeps will look for straw to grasp, but they will not see. They will cry out to their ProphetOtuocha for help and fresh prophecy of hope but alas, the prophet has bailed out long before the ship sank..

Anything can still happen in Oando, either good or bad!
We all are taking risks in the market. The higher the risks, the bigger the rewards, all things being equal (although all things are rarely equal). Lol.

The boardroom squabbles that rocked the company for many years and its battles with the SEC are majorly responsible for most of the current challenges the company is facing today.
This could even make it very difficult for Oando to get any sympathy or smooth deal if they should approach the SEC with a ridiculous offer price for the proposed delisting. The SEC could use it as opportunity to rein in and deal with Oando (all things being equal).
But generally, the company seems to be overcoming its challenges, one step after the other.
Nobody expected it to be able to acquire Conoco Philips, NAOC, settle aggrieved shareholders for USD600m, and obtain a USD800m facility from Africa EXIM Bank.
Also remember the current president is related to Oando CEO. This could bring in potential bigger deals.

As regards funding, it would not be too difficult to attract the required funds if Wale Tinubu would be willing to shed some of his control and let others buy more of the company's shares. For instance, if a person like Otedola or Elumelu should enter Oando now, everything go change overnight!

Anyhow, anyhow, those staying with Oando know what they are about, and those jumping the ship also know what they are doing. Each Mallam with his kettle!

Krismas:
LOL
1. U see, i offer to give u $100 USD if you can prove that Jews were all purged from Palestine and sent to Europe. am tired of talks without proof. i include pictures links and sometimes maps. but all u folks do is just talk talk talk?
2. Jews first started coming into Palestine in 1800s and they have always proved to be clever bankers. little wonder Hebrew was inscribed on the coins as well. nothing more.
3 Pontius Pilate never met any Jew, cos Jew was never inside bible until the 19th century wen it was smuggled inside it. the first KJV of 1611 had no Jew inside it atall and indeed no any other bible translation up ontill 1804 till date
4. the DNA results are introvertable. Ashkenazi Jews are from eastern Europe. Sephardic Jews are from western Europe. black Jews are from africa. none of them have ever been from palestine. they have no ancestry in palestine before the 19th century.

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You are free to keep wallowing in your self imposed ignorance!
There were Israelites and Jews living in their land, long before the Romans came and named the larger region as ''Palestine''!
Even in the Quran, it mentioned Israel many times! It also says that the land was given to the children of Israel through Moses! Chapter 5 vs 20-21.
You can decide to argue with this too if you want!

Krismas:
tales of LIES told over and over and over again as if the frequency of lies can make its rendition TRUTH?
1. there is no proof anywhere that jews were dispersed by romans from the kingdom of judaea into europe. its all a LIE to hide the fact that jews came from europe. jews are europeans.
2. israel has NEVER EXISTED as a country on any meaningful map of this world. its a religious fantasy of deluded christains and talmudic vampires. show me any map of this world that ever had israel on it.
3. palestine in 1935 on that passport did not contain jordan, syria lebanon, israel or part of egypt as u lied. the ordinace 193 allowed for issuing of palestinaian passport to migrants by palestinain authorities appointed by the british on behalf of the palestinian state. they even had the palestinian money at the time.
4. your so called arabs, living in palestine, ARE THE REAL HEBREW. their DNA show they are same with the dwellers of those lands 3500 years in antiquity. and that they are not arabs. DNA also show that the so called jews in israel today are europeans with no single anscentry to the ancient hebrew of old


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Why are you telling shameless lies? Go read the history of the Jews and Romans before you type out of ignorance! The whole world and the Romans have it documented in history and archival documents

You must be a desperate, pathetic liar to say now that the Palestinians are the real Hebrew and Jews! Wow! So this is how deep you want to usurp the identity, image and pride of the same people that you want eliminated from the surface of the earth!

It is fact that the Jews had been there before the Romans came.
Even on the face of the coins that you showed, the Hebrew language (spoken by the Israelis and Jews ) is boldly inscribed. So answer this question: Why was the Hebrew language inscribed on the face of the coins in 1935 when Israel was not yet declared as a separate state, and if indeed the land of Israel never existed in history before 1935?
And where did you get the funny idea that Jews are from Europe?
Even Pontius Pilate (Roman ruler) was aware that the Israelites were describing Jesus Christ as ''King of the Jews''! Was Jesus Christ from Europe, you liar? You people can tell lies from hell, all in your desperate attemp to take over the land of Israel!

The naked truth is the people of Israel had existed on their land long before the Romans and Arabs came to Judea and Samaria!

Krismas:
pay attention to wot the braggarts are doing already
who therefore is being picked from tunnels actually
look at the battle field after 200days filled with the bodies of the IDF
Israel bombing iran looks more like the second coming of the christain messiah

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The ''Government of Palestine'' in the document refers to the combined parcel of land comprising of Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Israel and part of Egypt which were under the rule of the Roman empire!
The Arabs living on Israeli lands are deceitfully using the old name ''Palestine'' in order to deceive the world and legitimize their claim to the land of Israel!
''Palestine'' was an administrative name used by the Romans to described the region (made of different countries) under the Roman control. Before and during the Roman rule, Jerusalem, Hebron, Judea and Samaria (now so called West Bank) all were towns and cities of the Israelites with a long history of kings that had ruled over them. When did that change?
The Arabs living on Israeli land who do not want Israel as a separate state are the ones who have adopted the administrative name '' Palestine'' in order to create the impression that they own the land of Israel.
Israel had existed for thousands of years before the Romans came and coined the name '' Palestine''. In other words, Israel is older than the so called ''Government of Palestine'' that you are making reference to! deceived.
The Romans had sacked the Jews from their ancestral land and many went to Europe. Some of them decided to come back and they had to comply with whatever administrative rules the Roman government required of them, including signing that document. Even if the document reads ''Government of the Devil'', the returnee Jews would still have no option than to sign it so that they could return to their ancestral land! The land still belong to their ancestry! So don't be deceived!

Locotrader:
When they bewitched una finish.

But eyes Don open well nah

The NGX is a free for all market; and ANYTHING can happen!
There are always gainers and losers in the market.
People can be bewitched and become gainers or losers at the end of the day!
The Oando confusion is neither the first nor the last!

Jaakay:
If you dig deep into the 2022 funancials, they have already told you they made a loss at 2023FY unaudited account, with the hope to come back to profitability by 2024FY. They will be coming to raise funds at some point, either through the market or via bonds.

This is very true.
Oando is planning to raise more funds from the market very soon, either through bond issue or shares offer, or both!
Please let us all read pages 91 and 92 of the 2022 financial report!

if the court case is settled and the request for delisting is thrown out, there may be a rush of activity in Oando!
I pray it favours us all!

KarlTom:
I'm not a fan of lenghty reports but I will try and summarize.

Let me refer you to page 12 of the Annual Report, you'll find this paragraph:

"OML 56, OML 13 and OML 60-63 are currently the crude oil and
gas producing assets while Oando PLC engages in supply and
trading of crude, refined and unrefined petroleum products.
These entities account for 100% of Group revenue recognized
being N1,994 billion for the year ended 31 December 2022 (2021:
N804.8 billion)."

That's a revenue increase of 248%

Recall that in September, 2023, OandO Energy Resources (OER) bought 100% of ENI's interest in Nigeria Agip Oil Company.
This transaction does several things:
1. It DOUBLES OER stake in OML 60-63 (formerly 20%, now 40%). OML 60-63 are the few OER assets that are currently in PRODUCTION stage.
2. Oando’s total reserves (based on 2021 reserves estimates) stand at 503.3MMboe and the transaction will deliver a 98% increase.
3. It grows Oando’s exploration asset portfolio through the acquisition of a 90% interest in OPL 282 and 48% interest in OPL 135.

I strongly believe that 2023 FY will be better...

It is reported in the 2022 Accounts that Oando made losses for 2023

ndept:
Good summary/analysis no doubt. The highlight of the recently released 2022 report should have been centered around the sale of all oando retail outlet to NNPC at the cost of 359 million dollars around October 2022. But I am yet to see where the proceeds is reported in the AFS account. Does anyone know where the money was accounted for, or did it just disappeared?

The proceeds from the sale of Oando retail outlets to NNPC was used to pay down the loans and borrowings.
It is reported in Page 79 of the 2022 Accounts under Note 40(b) ''Changes in Liabilities Arising from Financing Activities''.....in the ''Cash flow - Payments'' column of N562.326b....... to settle Interest Bearing Loans and Borrowings (Current and Non-Current)

Kajaard:
I know the Lagos Indian Language School at Ilupeju where Indians send their kids. There is a reason it is called INDIAN LANGUAGE SCHOOL and not Indian School because the kids are taught in Indian language.

I hope you know the school was created to cater to the needs of the kids of the Indian community at Ilupeju? I hope you know the language of instruction there is not in English language?

They created that school to imbibe the Indian culture in their kids that were born here and lived all their lives here so they still have that touch with their home base: INDIA

It's not everything we should complain about and run to social media without doing any credible research. All this because data is so cheap these days, smh

You have no point.
The school should be accessible to everyone; those who are not interested in Indian language should be free to drop it and learn only English!
You cannot be using Indian language as basis to discriminate in another man's country! They cannot try such nonsense in the UK or even South Africa where there are millions of Indians!

yMcy56:
OANDO
There are few things I noticed:
- Those badmouthing are most likely waiting to pick at bargain price.....
- If we look closely at the result, the revenue made was huge.....
- FX chop much into the revenue
- Shareholding structure as at Dec 2022 was 73% on the part of the company and Ocean and Oil......ONLY 3 individuals/Coy owns this %
- Opportunity for Wale to accumulate more....
- We've been told that 2022 wasn't that fantastic before now...
- Just few weeks ago, Loco was in the bus but by today, he wasn't again .......So, if you're no longer in the bus, why taking panodol for others headache?

Insult me if you like, na wetin I noticed so far be that....
- Let the game begin.....

Your observations are legit.!
I also noticed the jump in Oando total revenue in FY2022, even though those revenues were mostly denominated in naira. One can therefore imagine the potential impact of future revenues that are mostly denominated in USD (as Wale said during the AGM) which would help to hedge against FX losses on foreign currency denominated loans and payables.
I just hope they use the USD800m facility from the Africa EXIM Bank to pay off all loans from the commercial banks.

Our permutations ultimately hinge on Wale's intentions as well as the integrity of the Court and SEC

Richcreed:
Junk missiles that didnt hit a single target in iran!
Iran air defense sysstem nuetralized all the shit missikes.
Isreal is overated

A terrible shameless liar!
Iran has been hit! They activated their air defense system AFTER the explosions inside Iran!
There was no mid-air interception of the missiles, unlike how the Iranian missiles were intercepted in the air when they shot at Israel!
Sit down there and be typing what you like!

jpmoriarti:
Have you ever seen a lawyer that can't speak English or be confident? She is a embarrassment to law profession. Public speaking is a must for lawyers. This is why they refer to themselves as learned colleagues.
That woman was a mediocre. She shouldn't be celebrated. I question her degree and the school that awarded her the degree. All round embarrassment.

There are many lawyers that cannot speak good English and are not confident speaking publicly!
Not every lawyer is a good lawyer. Some have the qualifications because they graduated, but they are not very sound in spoken English!
There are even some professors who are not very fluent in spoken English

sammirano:
Nonsense. This is the reason Nigeria remains this way, celebrating lubbish

The lesson here is to tell the pastor that he should not have put her to shame in public the way he did!
Even if he was not convinced of her testimony, he could have spoken to her privately and then she may have to come back again for a more coherent testimony sometime in the future.

greenermodels:
All these confusion and pains would have been avoided if Tinubu had not prematurely floated the naira without thinking of the consequences, now they're wasting billions of dollars to defend the same naira from falling to its true value. A case of acting before thinking.

Excatly!
The arrogance of thinking/acting as if he knows it all is just nauseating!
It is always better to consult experts who had ''been there done that'' before taking these sensitive decisions!

Mpeace:
But we need to know the ruling the court wants to deliver before this conclusion. Remember there was an application by some other shareholders to be joined in the suit. Are you sure it is not ruling on that application?
In any case, Ibthink its safer to wit fornthe official communication on today's proceedings.

The shareholders that applied to be joined in the suit are minority shareholders that are opposed to the delisting. Their action should serve as evidence to the court that those who were seeking for delisting of Oando do not have the mandate of all minority shareholders, and do not represent the interests of all the minority shareholders.

The loopholes/hurdles in the bid to delist Oando shares are quite obvious.
1. There are no records of any mandate by minority shareholders or minutes at AGM authorizing the delisting
2. You cannot ask for a delisting price of N7.07 when the shares are already selling at N10-N12 in the market
3. The SEC just recently rejected a similar move by another company (cannot recollect the name now), thereby paving the way as precedent to reject Oando as well.

yMcy56:
Thanks so much for this update.
Pls is it the final ruling now on June 24?
Also, what can you deduce or guess from the hearing from both parties? In favour of minority or the Company?
Hope I'm not asking for too much...lol

Everything looks planned out......since 2021

I think the court would strike out the case.
The court waited and gave opportunity to minority shareholders with contrary arguments that are opposed to the deal, to serve as a basis to throw out the case. Those seeking to delist do not have any mandate from the rest minority shareholders to do so on their behalf!
My advice: Load more Oando units if possible!

Emu4life:
The Israeli Military is the most over hyped Institution in the World.
Remove the US, and the Nigerian Military is far better.

If na unarmed civilians, Women and Palestinian Children now, dem go dey form superpower

It is only a deluded mind that compares Israeli military with Nigerian military. On what basis?

alcuin:
Hype.

In the 2006 war, Hezbollah handed their asses back to them. Hezbollah is currently striking in northern Isreal.

You guys think only Israel does innovation in war?

Iran is the best in the world in drone tech, at the moment. Iran drones are dealing heavy blows in Ukraine, and this is a fact.

Israel is nothing without USA/UK. Iran on the other hand can stand and fight alone. Iranian backed proxies are giving Israel and USA sleepless nights in Syria.

Israel is not as strong as it's projected.

Israel is far ahead of Iran in everything ''technology'' or ''warfare'' that you may think or imagine.
Iran is nothing without Russia, North Korea.

Israel develops and sells weapons to lots of European countries, USA , Canada, Australia etc.

Empiree:
Go and seek knowledge. These people who called themselves Jews today are not Israelites. Didn't you watched them say they will take Mecca and medina, Iraq, Lebanon and so on because according to them, they were there in history

The place called Israel today was Palestine and it belonged to the Palestinians. The occupiers who called themselves Jews are Europeans

You are just stuck telling lies!
Tell me if the following places (and the people) in the Bible still exist today or not;
i. Egypt
ii. Lebanon
iii. Syria
iv. Jordan
v. Israel

These are the original names of the places and the people (with parts of Egypt) that were combined together and described as ''Palestine'' by the Romans. The Romans were in control of the region at the time.
And they all used to share a common international passport with ''Palestine'' as the name that symbolizes the combined area or region where the people come from. Just like people saying ''Sahel'' to describe the area covering Mali, Niger, Burkina Faso, Chad etc. It does not mean that ''Sahel'' is a separate country with its own indigenous people.
The word ''Palestine'' was/is never a single, autonomous country or people. That is why they cannot tell you or mention the names of kings from the so called ''Palestine'' that ruled over ancient kingdoms like Jerusalem, and other towns in Israel, unlike the Jews who can give you a long list of kings from among them.

When the Jews fought the Romans, they were conquered and driven away. Later, each component was granted their statehood (i.e. Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan, Syria all became independent states, while the Jews had been scattered abroad and did not have the numbers to do anything significant back home..
When the Ottoman empire took over the region, the land of Israel was like a ''no man's land'' because the Jews had been largely sent packing from their land, so the place became dominated by the Arabs who took over everywhere and entrenched themselves, their religion and culture in the land, with the few minority Jews living on the fringes!

When the British defeated the Ottoman empire, they decided to balance the history by restoring the Jews to their original Biblical land and giving them their statehood. That is why the state of Israel was formed in 1945. Otherwise, why would Israel only become a state in 1945 when they had been existing and living alongside, Egypt, Lebanon etc. for thousands of years before 1945?

So don't get confused! It is the Arab refugees in the land of Israel who refused to recognize and accept Israel's right to exist that decided to adopt the old name ''Palestine'' in order to use it because they believe it would give them some legitimacy and edge to claim ownership of the land!
It is all lies borne out of hatred for the Jews!

Doyin2:
Oya let the jews take back Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran,Syria Turkey,Pakistan,etc.,not only Palestine.

You are beginning to act like a clown

The Jews are not interested in any place that is not their own land. The Israelis are only interested in the land of Israel.
The Biblical sites in Israel belong to Israel. The Biblical sites in Eqypt belong to Egypt; so also the Biblical sites in Lebanon and Jordan. The Biblical sites in Syria belong to Syria (e.g. Damascus)

Why must the Biblical sites in Israel now belong to a so-called Palestinians? Where were the so called ''Palestinians'' in times of king David, Solomon, Herod, Pilate etc. who ruled over Judea and Samaria (now so called West Bank) and Jerusalem?.

Free2Fly:
Go and read history, you ignoramus!

How is Israel an accupying force??

Jadaism and the Jews have been there in the Middle East since the 6th century BC, while Islam just started newly in the 7th century AD!

I hope you know the difference between BC and AD??

The difference between 6th century BC and 7th century AD is over 3,300 years, you blockhead

The Jews have been in the Middle East from time immemorial

Your prophet met them when he was born in the early 7th century AD and fought a long battle with them after he created islam.

The woman who poisoned him was a Jewiih woman(Zaynab) after he destroyed a Jewish village and took the woman captive.
He also had a jewish wife, Safiya, and Jewish concubine, Rayhana.

Banu Israil(People of Israel) appeared in the Quran 44 times, while Yahud(Jews) appeared 11 times and this Quran was written in the 7th century AD!
He also fought the Jews in Jerusalem before he captured it and establish his temple there, besides the Jewish and Christian holy sites, which had been there already for centuries. Islamic holy site in Jerusalem was the last to be erected.

So, how are the same Jews occupiers? Are you guys so senseless or you don't read both history books and your Quran

Classic, Timeless, Evergreen masterpiece, masterstroke of a response to the most hypocritic agenda in the world....the propaganda to obscure and delete these pure facts and paint Israel as occupier force!
Thank you for this upper cut!
What I have noticed is that even the Qurans says in Chapter 5 vs 20-21 that the land belongs to Israel, but they would not read!

Doyin2:
Too much sentiments.

Are you aware Jesus was born in Bethlehem, in Palestine?

Are you aware most of the biblical sites are dominated by Arabs or Muslims?

The real biblical Jews are from the Middle East and not the colonial thieves from Europe who have disguised to fool very gullible people like you.

The Biblical sites are dominated by Arabs and Muslims because they are the ones that were in majority on the land after the Ottoman empire conquered the place after the Jews had been sent away by the Romans. The Arabs and Muslims also have a a higher birth rate than the Jews.

The whole world knows that Jews migrated to Europe, America, Africa (Ethiopia, Egypt etc.) after the Romans conquered their land, so they are not land thieves. Or may be you people don't want them to come back to their land so you can take over their blessed land as yours. You lie bad!

Doyin2:
Egypt and Syria were places existing during and after the biblical era.

Foolishness is when you compare a country created in 1945,with those existing in biblical era.

The true ISRAELITEs in biblical era referred to the descendants of Jacob who was never a Jew.

The present day state of Israel is just a politically concocted geographical space some stolen ,to provide homes for the Jews.

Total rubbish! How did the land become that of Palestinians? No wonder you people only talk about 1945 and avoid talking about 3000 years earlier. The Romans are the ones that sacked the Jews from the land. The land is not
for just anybody to come and occupy. Did the Palestinians have any superior or older records about their ownership of the land, apart from making reference to 1948? Were Kings David and Solomon that ruled Jerusalem born in 1948?
The present day state of Israel is still the same Biblical Israel. All the places in the Bible are still there, including the Jerusalem that you people want to take from them. All the birth places of the prophets are there.
Jealous people. You don't say that the Biblical Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan etc. are not the same Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan of today. But it is Israel that must be different.
You don't know Israel more than global archeologists and researchers who have evidence and have confirmed the existence of all the Biblical sites in the present day Israel.
You think people that go to Israel for pilgrimage don't have knowledge or sense? Even the Quran Chapter 5 vs20-21 says that the land belongs to Israel
You better stick to and talk about Mecca, Medina or any other place if that is where you know well!