agaugust: Exactly ! For $5 million per vehicle the Badger IFV has only a 30mm cannon and one tiny size light machine gun, I agree with you sir, the Badger is nonsense.
Most IFVs are armed with 20 - 30mm guns.
Your point?
Who told you Denel has finalised deals with sub-contractors to enable them to come up with theprice of the vehicle for exports?
agaugust: You need to move beyond your obsession with telling lies and deceiving innocent readers on this forum.
Post your citations' website names not weblinks to clutter this thread, thats what I did with defenceindustry daily. Give name of source, people can google it.
One single T-72 tank will destroy one hundred Badger IFVs in two hours, and the Badger cannot fight back or defend itself. Badger IFV fails to meet NATO standard of basic modernity. .
frumentius: I might just get into OPSEC/PERSEC trouble here (Long story involving Def. Intel.): that's the vehicle commander's seat and his primary duty is attending to the Chaka C2 console located in front of him inside the vehicle. The Hornet also sports a 20mm cannon but can also carry 2 more men in personnel carrier mode longer and quieter; stabler and more accurate with mounted mortars, rockets and anti-tank missiles.
At the moment, tests are being done on anti-aircraft capabilities.
Also, look at the previous Recce RDLV, the Jackal. Doctrine informed by wartime, Vehicle commander in charge of the 20mm, very basic comms (C2 comprising radios; no computer screens; basic GPS; no graphic interface/laser designators for the rockets and ATGMs etc).
agaugust: Your knowledge of artillery is ZERO, you believe a G-6 Rhino will fire unguided free fall shell at an unseen invisible target 73 km away, when even a Mokopa laser guided missile fired on an electronically marked, clearly seen and visible target missed the target just 8 km, then you believe G-6 artillery will land an ordinary shell on target at 73 km away.
agaugust: That Algerian video is a 100% conventional warfare military excercise NOT a peace mission of AU style or anti-terrorism ops. You don't know the difference between various mission objectives and types, the training differs. Go watch Flintlock videos and view photos. Ask questions when you don't know things.
[b]Britain's 'Unique' Missiles Have Killed No Daesh Militants The radar-guided "smart missiles" quoted among the reasons for the UK to take part in the airstrikes campaign in Syria have so far killed no Daesh fighters. The response to a freedom of information (FOI) request by the Huffington Post UK has revealed that no recorded casualty has been attributed to the Brimstone missile since the start of the strikes in December. In the FOI answer, the UK Ministry of Defense said that only seven people have been hit by British strikes so far— it is unknown whether they were killed or just wounded. Five of the casualties resulted from US- made Hellfire missiles, while the remaining two were brought about by Paveway IV bombs. Brimstone missiles— £100,000-each — resort to radar and laser technology to hit targets precisely. They had previously been extolled by cabinet figures, including Prime Minister David Cameron, who said that they would "cut off the head of the [Daesh] snake". The government actually built part of its case for British intervention on the Brimstone missiles. Since only the UK and Saudi Arabia have access to these particular missiles, the cabinet’s narrative went, the RAF's intervention could actually make a difference. Tory minister David Jones described Brimstones as "unique", while the PM called them "some of the most accurate weapons known to man". It was claimed that such accuracy would reduce civilian kills and reliably hit faraway targets. This argument had nonetheless been disputed ahead of the vote, because Brimstone's anti-tank capabilities can cause harm to other than its intended target. The FOI response said that the much- touted missiles have so far been used only in nine strikes. In addition, the Brimstone missiles' deployment was not kick-started until January, more than a month after the British Parliament voted for the intervention.[/b]
Known problem was high altitudes and temperatures.
The dual seeker utilizing both radar and laser guidance gives it high accuracy. But just like any weapon it is not a magic wad.
Henry240: What needs are they tailored to, when exiting pilots keep stealing your planes?
Exiting pilots stole Air Force planes –
minister Some of the South African Air Force's (SAAF) planes were stolen and put in museums, which is why there were not enough planes for pilots to get their wings, Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula said on Tuesday.
"We have a problem," she said in response to a question to the National Council of Provinces (NCOP) on why SAAF pilots were being sent to Russia and Cuba to train. "Sometimes these young people train and they run short of flying hours before they can get their wings," explained Mapisa-Nqakula. "We can't give them those flying hours because there are no aircraft," she said.
Henry240: That idiiot is completely Hopeless same as the entire SANDF. The fool was referring to actual sharks, he wasn't making no metaphor, the presenter tried correcting him but the BEE dullard wouldn't have none of that.
He is a commander in your navy, how is this dullard supposed to understand tactics, when he doesn't know what Submarines are used for?
Logistics, personnel and Engineering.
"Tactics" are for combat officers whom have the responsibility of Maritime warfare.
Henry240: You are here spitting bullsh1t, while your Navy commander believes it's meant to be used in scaring away sharks from rivers and oceans.
The dullard was corrected by the news presenter, but your illiterate Zulu, who got there most likely through quota system kept on yapping about protecting swimmers from sharks.
You don't swim where the are sharks.
Area denial is what he is talking about. Vessels will avoid going into an area with known submarine presence.
Henry240: At 2:20 in the clip, the stup1d commander says this, "when a submarine is down there, no one can detect that, with ships sailing on the sea".
Henry240: Patcches689, Mikeczar, Jln115, Snydergp1st, SSaengine, Fighterpilot, Andrewza, Mzilakazi, Centrifude ....... Why does the South-African navy have submarines?
1. Penguins avoid swimming where lion seals lurk.
2. Strategic reccon.
3. Special operations.
4. Force multiplier.
- A powerful adversary would be compelled to commit massive and valuable resources to try locate an elusive submarine.
Splitting the foe's force unabling him to concentrate his armada and air power against you. The costs on his side will be higher than you.
Full battle space presence on land, sea (subsurface and surface), air, electromagnetic and at the information environment. Starting a war against such opponent will make you think twice as he will confront on all fronts.
Henry24o: In other news, 4 ships from Sub-Saharan Africa represented Africa at the IFR in India.
- NNS Centenary
- NNS Spioenkop
- SCGS Topaz
- MCGS Barracuda
*Unfortunately photos of the African participants are hard to come by.
NNS Centenary fresh up the IFR voyage was involved in a bust of a hijacked Ship in the waters of Sao-Tome & Principe. The Ship was hijacked off the coast of Ivory-Coast.
agaugust: The above claim was denied by the SANDF and the South African army made no such record announcement. Let's not add unconfirmed reports to photos, and let's not exaggerate even if it's true. No offence intended.
agaugust: Thank you man ! Are you Algerian ? Can you please tell Algeria to send a mixture of 6,000 special forces, elite paratroops, plus experienced COIN regular infantry, backed up with T-90 tanks, Fuchs APCs with 12.7mm X 3 HMG, and Mi-28 Havock helicopter gunships to join African Union AMISOM force and quickly defeat Al Shabbab this year 2106 in Somalia ? Defeat the terrorists or degrade them down to Boko Harsm's current level where they will be riding mostly motorcyles, donkeys, bicycles and walking on foot, armed only with AK-47 and RPG, a few light machine guns, and IEDs. Africa needs Algerian money, men, and equipment to join our East African brothers of the AU force in Somalia TODAY.....unite Africa, unite !
lionel4power: 1.) technicals don't have to be stabilized. As far as it can provide suppressive fire and can pin down the terrorists then it's job us done.
- a mortar too doesn't move when firing it has to stay in one place to -receive firing instructions -setup the firing solution - calibrate the mortar. - then fire meanwhile the technicals has been blasting you from 2km away.
Just a sitting ducks for a 14.5mm rapid fire machine gun.
2.) mortar is mortar... it's not guided.... ordinary wind effect will push it off course. 1cm will quickly change to 10Meters and you'll kill your president in Pretoria instead.
3.) It's called adaptation. That's the whole concept of counter terrorist operations. changing your force structure to meet with the current threat scenarios. maybe in world War II using mortar against mobile target is sensible but currently it's just waste of mortar rounds.
4.) the french didn't fight alone. pro-malian army and militia who use technicals did more of the fighting. French just provide mostly air support and special force component. ********************************************* A combined force of French and Mali central government troops now on the offensive, moving toward Gao, the stronghold of the rebels.
-France24 ****************************************** 1.) Mali Gun truck 2.) Poland Army Gun truck 3.) Bulgarian Army Gun truck 4.) even south African Army has Samil with 23mm Gun truck
Listen to what a General has to say regarding this:
agaugust: Actually the marketed range is 10 km, so why was Denel deceiving the world? I have always said the Mokopa was not ordered because it will not work long range effect, now I am proved right. Surely it will even miss target at 6 km.
1. Lack of knowledge. You wanna talk missile ranges?
2. The Algerians bought the missile and they have a better military than Nigeria. Your opinion is better than evaluations of Algerian men in uniform?
africaken: are you going to tell us again your M23 story!
Because?
The performance of SA forces in battle has been noted by those operating within the intelligence departments of many African armed forces.
But in modern age the media beast must be fed is what they, that's why the army has been saying in future ops journalists will be embedded with forces on the ground. This is already happening during exercises. Exercise young eagle being an example.
This will go further to enhance better reporting and bolster the trust of the South African population in the armed forces.
agaugust: Marketing propaganda to save face in front of foreign potential customers....narrowly by how many metres? How many metres off target?
ATGM HEAT can only kill a tank by directly hitting target.
If the distance is off target by a number of meters, even a soft skin Toyota will escape alive because Mokopa warhead is small, and missing target does not mean it hit the ground beside the target, it can just glide closely beside it and pass by to keep flying aimlessly till missile fuel finishes.
Who will use expensive Mokopa to kill terrorists rag tag old model second hand used Toyota soft skin that costs $5,000 ? The missile probably costs 10 times more than the target. What kind of battlefield tactics is that? Who can afford the financial costs?
None of those potential customers who watched the marketing demo will come back for any reason. They say combat failure of the Rooivalk, they saw the exact opposite of Denel marketing claims, they saw a $40 million Rooivalk fail to hit a well known and already revealed target with an expensive guided missile that was used even not up to it's claimed range.
Okay, you know say Gripen has poor laser designation capabilities. I see. I agree with you, Gripen is a $60 million jet that CANNOT designate target with the acclaimed and advertised Link ZA superb tactical datalinks that we are told has made Gripen and Rooivalk capable of exchanging target information 'effectively' and the LITENING advanced laser targeting pod, and the 'advanced' Rooivalk cockpits targeting systems, upgraded, state-of-the-art, and the high performance long range many years tested, market ready Mokopa guided missile, and the $40 million Rooivalk allegedly praised for 'super performance' by the UN in Congo DRC, is now missing target, clearly marked, designated, pre-confirmed, Denel planted and location disclosed target that the Rooivalk did not even have to look for....and still that easy MISSED TARGET !!!!
African air forces should just do what africaken has said, use $40 million to buy 10 units of Gazelle or Fennec type of scout attack helicopters at $4 million each and go kill Al, Shabab, Boko Haram, Ansar Dine with guarantee of hitting target, cheap missiles are in the Chinese market.
Telemetry missile.
Used for test and evaluation. Post flight data like how close the missile missed the target or flight time are collected during the missile's flight. To measure missile's performance and flight characteristics in certain scenarios against tarhets.
Those tests were carried out in 2011 the Mokopa has even been bought by Algeria after that.
The Hellfire and many other missiles missed targets during tests.
Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZAR: 5:59pm On Mar 02, 2016
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