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AnfieldFan:
Not sure this is entirely correct...CBM fans didn't like it very much but general audience liked it....It also did ok with critics and grossed 894.9 million(Grossed more than BVS)...

But I agree with you, Snyder had to do a lot of things with little run-time so he failed understandably...But those characters didn't have soul and I feel even if you gave Snyder more movies, he still wouldn't be able to do that...
Lemme give you an example, Aquaman by Wan left us feeling Aquaman more which in turn makes you invested in his story... Directors sometimes manifest this with a romantic love interest or with something passionate to the character...

Another example; People are looking forward to Peacemaker, why you might ask considering he shared screentime with other characters in an ensemble movie. The answer is simple, Gunn managed to get people invested in the guys story despite a short arc in the movie..

In the first SS movie, Ayer did this with Deadshot and Harley Quinn by humanizing Deadshot through his daughter (Will's a great actor so it helped) and even though the film wasn't too good, it had bright spots..

A director who can make people connect with characters can will always be regarded as better than those who can make great action sequences...

People say a lot about ZJL but I've seen the two and I still reiterate, both movies are more or less the same with the difference being Snyder's work wasn't edited(Everything he filmed was in the movie). Had JL opened in theaters with that 4hour run-time, it might have even performed more poorly than Whedon's own..

Snyder cut did a lot of development on Cyborg and Allen. BvS ultimate cut developed Clark more than the theatrical cut did. It also gave us another angle into how much people were a victim of the zod event. It showed us more how Lex was a real danger even without doomsday. Influencing public opinion and giving Superman a mental break down that led him to quit.
A lot of people go about hating the film cause of the theatrical cut but the ultimate cut did a lot of story telling to treat out many of its issues or topics it set out to.
Speaking of suicide squad, that movie didn't have much to deal with. It basically didn't have story. You have a government agent rounding up criminals, criminals who they assigned profiles and didn't really need much focus or story on. Each one represents one problem in the American society, i.e an illegal immigrant, a Hitman who is deadbeat, a schizophrenic, etc. That's different from writing characters that are iconic and you need to develop as time went on.
Part of the reason people didn't like HC Superman had to do with Snyder trying to build him across his trilogy and not start him as a righteous do gooder. And if you noticed there was a progression in his character as it went on. He began as this oblivious man, into someone not sure of his purpose, to a man now confident of himself. And so did they do Batman.
SS didn't have character development, it had likeable characters that could sell that story. Snyder and his team weren't going for that, cause they had a vision for multiple films.
Aquaman had the luxury of a film that introduced us to his character and compared to BvS, it didn't have a lot going for it, it wasn't tasked with world building.

Skseries:
u are completely right I slpt Tru MOS and BVS I remember waking up half way and seeing u in my room with so much joy and admiration for seeing a Snyder crap, lol.

Anyways I will have agreed with all u said if I had not seen other just league cartoon with a better execution, but who am I to argue with u, Snyder bad movies are completely WB faults and we who don't like his movies bcus majority of us are brain dead and we don't know good movie, or we slpt all tru the movies so we don't understand them.

Lmao

Well, I guess you should tell WB to get the cartoons transcribed into live action, let's see if it would work.
You know, tell me how the JL could have been formed without Superman dying.

Skseries:
lol, avater was engaging all tru the 3hrs, same as Infinity wars and end game, and infact had more characters. BvS was 3hrs more than half of that 3hrs was boring IMO and I think the reviews agrees, I don't have a review with Snyder but I have issue with his movies. Lol comparing BVS and ZJL to avatar, Infinity wars and endgame? They are the highest grossing movie for a reason

Bros, if I asked you to write a screen play and to direct a film introducing Batman, Wonder woman, Lex Luthor, Barry Allen, Cyborg, Arthur Curry, build on the relationship between Clark and Lois, show their work life, continue the subject matter from the previous film, build a shared universe which wasn't the plan from Inception, bring in some new topics while working with a 3hr run time, there's a lot you can do yet little you can. The Ultimate cut of BVS did the thing justice for what it tried to achieve; aside that Martha moment. What gave it bad publicity was the theatrical cut.
You talk about Avatar like it was some master piece, dude, had that movie not had James Cameron name on it, it would very much have been another movie.
I very much couldn't sit through the film, didn't get the hype for it, not interested in the sequels. That's just my opinion.

But give any director the whole concept of BvS that Terrio and Snyder had to work with, ask them to come up with a story, you won't get anything better than what Snyder and Terrio tried to achieve, without criticisms. A lot was going on in that film that it would have on a normal day needed one more movie to fully flesh out things that it didn't have the luxury to.
Speaking of the avengers infinity war and endgame, had it been forced on Joss Whedon to make immediately after Iron Man 2, it wouldn't have worked out well like it did, cause audiences won't have been connected to various characters or topics, and much explanation will have to be done. In fact the films won't be as we know it.
Any wonder how a director like Raimi fails with Spiderman 3? He had to introduce 3 new characters centred to the narrative, continue the stories of previous film, build on new topics and so on. And that's nothing compared with what Terrio had to write.

Skseries:
lol have watched several justice league cartoon and they didn't have to kill supes to form justice league, simply put a big enuf crises and super heroes will turn up to fight and release they need to work together, a typical example was WW turning up just to help protect the earth in batman V superman, the crisis is enuf to make all hero converge.

My fav justice league cartoon just had an alien invasion to set up justice league

Of course, they didn't have to. But I am sure you slept throughout MOS or BvS to know that Batman was never going to gather a super army basing off his characterization as an Old retired vigilante with a distrust regarding super powered people. Wonder woman wouldn't considering she was done. Superman was just going through an identity crisis after what happened in MOS, he wasn't in to form a league. He hadn't figured out the whole superhero thing. He only swooped in to rescue people. He was barely going out to fight crime. No one knew of any other alien threat that requires an army. No one knew there were other metas till Lex. The story is self explanatory. You don't create something unless there was a catalyst.
In a story that had everything in it, new characters, world building etc, you need a believable way to form the league. And the absence of the most powerful superhero will do that. Or how else would you do it with the story Snyder had to work with knowing you have to do alot in one film?

Skseries:
the fact that some actors went to shoot extra scenes for ZJL gives the impression Zack change his original plan a little just to satisfy the fan plan that wasn't in the original script Joss worked on

Lol...it was the post credits scene of not up to 3 mins that were shot. And before Snyder gave up, there were some scenes he would have reshot or added before Whedon came in.
I don't think whatever footage Snyder shot took 3 weeks.

Nickshrapnel:
Man had to put it out there before the butchers step in

Thekingishere said part of the reason Affleck stepped out of the role was cause of his alcohol issues. I never believed that. Lots of actors are alcoholics, and drug users and still pull off roles, i.e Ezra Miller. Affleck first hand witnessed what WB did to the films. He had an idea what he was signing in to, he wouldn't have signed up if it was the trash it later became. He most definitely wouldn't have agreed to film scenes for Snyder cut if Zack had been the problem at the get go.

abduleez1:
Hmmmm....

"I hope they maintain the integrity of what we did"...speaks volumes.

abduleez1:
Bruh, I'm well aware of the issues Snyder faced during his time at DC. Saying otherwise is just disingenious. Pray tell, what was the original plan for the Supes trilogy?

It's you people's way of tagging anyone who isn't so into Snyder praise as WB stans that I find offensive. If you want to critique or argue you do so with facts not with cheap emotional blackmail.

What I find unpalatable is the way you peeps are always quick to defend Snyder at every turn and shout WB. It's very easy to blame all the shït on WB since they are some incompetent lots. I'm hardly bothered about that sha... The only funny thing is...is it WB who told or instructed Zack to kill Supes in the second movie? It's nice to blame everyone but yourself but at times also own up to your own shït.

The bolded should be what DC fans should be more bothered about and not if Snyder's back or not. Why TF would y'all want your saviour to be in a toxic environment that drained his energy, you still want him to come back to that same place he left, with the same dumb ppl there? Isn't this hypocrisy. Sometimes I really wonder if y'all truly love the man as you profess to or just want your entertainment curiosity satisfied.
The studio said they're moving on from him. What do you expect.

You needed something that would lead to a justice league, supes death was it. If WB didn't like it, they won't have gone with it. With the way the movie was, Superman wasn't going to go around gathering an army cause he had no idea of darkseid, wonder woman wasn't going to form the league, and Batman wouldn't cause he would see no reason to. The fear that the world was defenseless against an alien threat led to Bruce going on an hunt. Amanda Waller won't have formed task force x. You are talking like WB didn't know of the story before going into production. In fact, they gave Chris Terrio guidelines on what to do with BVS.
Me wanting Snyder back is so we can have a resolution with how the dceu started and then the next progression coming in right away. So it doesn't look like one idea is discarded and the narrative changing entirely.
You are right, I wouldn't want anyone in that toxic relationship again. I hope MCU eventually hire him or Sony. Atleast, those guys tell you what they want before you start.

[quote author=Barrywhyte1 post=109132036][/quote]And profit and lots of money for both parties. Merchandising, sponsorship and tv rights, content for the streaming platform, good PR for the franchise and interest over what comes next for the franchise. It's a win win situation. You don't need Avengers level money, you just need a stable ship and a brand.
If Warners had let Snyder go on with a MOS 2 with a Batman as a minor character in it after MOS, it would have made more than MOS. Then a Batman movie with a Gal Gadot cameo would have hit a billion. Then you do a wonder woman solo which will hint at the great battle with Usaz then a JL film introducing flash, cyborg and in full form Aquaman.

abduleez1:
All this your tears won't solve anything. If you like shout WB fans or Stan na your palava be that.
I can say the same of you as a Snyder Cultist disguising as DC fans cos you peeps don't see anything in his weaknesses. He's PERFECT and others are weaklings. You don't ever support any movie without a touch of Snyder's input. So the fvvk are you a DC fan? Pls answer this question and stop the useless shades. Are you a Snyder fan or a DC fan?

They there dey deceive yourself. The same way you peeps will come and wail over any slight poor performance of new directors movies is the same energy you get with Snyder failures. Both movies you listed released under different circumstances as Snyder's. I'm waiting for the Lord's movies to release in pandemic and simultaneous Streaming release let's see if his numbers won't be worse.
Oga wey get Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman no fit do $1bn after getting a global debut of over $450mn. No be JuJu be dat. Heck e no even reach $900mn.

Two can play the game bro.

Make we try dey give ourselves brain. I'm a DC fan doesn't mean I'll love all creative narrative WB drops. Same should apply to Snyder as he's not perfect or free of fault. When no be Jesus.

Let me speak for myself. I don't think Snyder is perfect. He is a flawed person, but treating him as the darkseid or lex Luthor of the Dceu is what I am against. The odds were stacked against him. WB really frustrated the man along with the critics. As a creative myself, even though I am just average, before you embark on any work, you must have a vision of how you want it. There becomes a problem if your vision comes against the person who hired you, and it becomes chaotic if that work keeps getting interrupted on. Same thing happened to Ayer.
Snyder had an idea for how the whole thing would come around, WB should have let him finish it with either a HBO max 4 hour of JL 2 or a limited 6 1 hour episode series so the transition will be welcomed and we see a progression that is done creatively and not muddled.

johnyace:
I hope the flash movie doesn't turn DC's trinity into power puff girls and I hope it actually has a story that has all sections of DC fans excited for the future of the DCEU. that being said, you would be delusional to think that snyder is the problem with the DCEU.

WB did him dirty and I will never forget that. I just hope they get things right this time.

Like seriously, only someone who isn't looking deep won't see it.
Put yourself in Snyder shoes. You got hired to start a trilogy, was recommended by Nolan himself. You came, you did what they asked but the studio being greedy were dissatisfied with it not doing Avengers numbers. They want that money. But you as a creative, already have a vision for that trilogy (as confirmed by Russell Crowe), WB now asks you to throw away the vision for a Cinematic universe (now you have to start from scratch. It wasn't in your plans. You have to work in 3-4 new characters in a film while also developing the existing ones) as if that wasn't hard enough, the person you work for doesn't think you can sell tickets for a 3 hour film, they start to cut from every angle of it. Then in the next film, they ask you to change your plans again, you try to compensate but they aren't happy with it. They don't care you are a human, you have your own problems. In the middle of all these, your daughter commits suicide. You man up, still go about the production till they bring in someone to supervise your every move. They then bring in another director to rework your script while you are working with your own screen writer. Isn't it better to give up?

AnfieldFan:
His last movie would have been JL 2 or 3 considering the circumstances...What would have happened in JL 2 would be invasion of Earth by Darkseid and Darkseid's defeat by 3...
Wb worked all these things out and decided to bite the bullet...They weren't getting anticipated returns with Snyder at the helm....

I'm saying, give the Flash movie a chance..It may turn out to be good...MCU is about to debut Jane Foster Thor, how many people are out in arms about it, everyone's giving them a chance...Snyder fans alone cannot make a difference box office wise, you need the general audience and if they general audience like it, it works...

Moreover, female trinity thing if true would just be a temporary thing till they recast Bats and Supes without everyone being up in arms about it ...

Bros, your points are off. I don't remember marvel making Jane foster the new thor immediately after Avengers part 1. Get the gist here.
I hope you know the dceu isn't fully established. We never really got to see these characters within the shared universe, interact with each other, Superman plot is still hanging, Batman is still strange and just like that, we are having a new Batman, Supergirl is taking over.
Just imagine Marvel immediately after Avengers, brought in a new captain america, made pepper Potts the new iron Man, and Jane foster the new thor.

TonySpike:
Don't be surprised if you start hearing about "The Flash" reshoots in a fire brigade manner, very soon. This is the most likely scenario.

Let's keep watching.

AnfieldFan:
Whether he rounded up or not is irrelevant, the flashpoint that you said they should have used to reset is here and they are about to do what you want - Reset..

As Abduleez1 stated, fans are ready to move on.. Hanging on to Snyder and his dream is futile..The Flash may very well flop or do very well, we can't say until then but if the rumours are true, you should wait till you see it and decide if it's done well instead of making up your mind before actually seeing the movie...

Personally, I didn't like the Snyder movies , the colour palettes, visual narration (Snyder made me tired of slow mo effects), he had good cinematography which is the only thing I liked in his movies , I also didn't like the stories told . Man of steel was ok, BVS shouldn't have existed....
The silver lining in his era wasn't directed by him, It was directed by Patty and voila, everyone loved it.

I like CBM movies and I'm glad Snyder isn't in charge of the DCEU movies creatively anymore, let others have their shine and let better stories be told...

Bros, flashpoint won't do anything, trust me. You go dey here when the reviews and hate flood in na. There was nothing wrong with what Snyder wanted. WB messed up his vision from the on set. Having him form a dceu when the original plan was a trilogy. Reducing the length of a film that was intended to start the dceu. Everything was just against the man. WB didn't know what they want, and they didn't let the man they hired to do his work. You think flashpoint would reset things while we don't know what happened to Superman or even grew to know Superman and Batman well or even what the world of the dceu is like? What WB are trying to reset won't fly. They'll cancel it after audience review bomb it and they notice a lack of interest if the rumors of casting aside Cavill, Affleck for a female version is true.

pu7pl3:
DCEU and bad PR

Bros, e for better if na bad PR, atleast you know they are doing something. This one is bad management. No chain from top to bottom. Just do whatever is trending and see what sticks.

chikason22:
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AnfieldFan:
MOS was initially meant to be a standalone with possibilities for a spin off...This led to Snyder's DCEU...The apparent lack of critical and financial success on MCU's scale resulted in haphazard plans....Even now, should two movies perform poorly, WB will still go and reshuffle.... Suicide Squad 2 didn't really work out, you won't be seeing a 3rd party for some time....
My opinion is WB didn't just get rid of Zack(right decision by the way), they are trying to get rid of his story telling style and vision which means except for ultra successful films(Aquaman and Wonder woman) , they aren't really motivated to meet Cavill's financial asks because his movie didn't do as well as they expected...

They can move ahead with the female trinity and see how it works out, if it does, fine and good, if it doesn't, maybe another Batman movie will come to the rescue....

There was nothing wrong with what Snyder wanted to do. WB just ruined everything for themselves. They could have let him round up the story in JL 2 then used flashpoint to recast and start afresh. A proper send off that won't leave some aggrieved. Cause right now, the bat girl, Supergirl and Keaton thing won't fly well. I am seeing flash not doing well with audience cause this news has created a subconscious hate in people before it's released. And it could affect other DC films.
I hope thekingishere, abduleez1 and pu7pl3 can now see WB ever since lacked vision. Am loosing interest in DC now as it is. Just waiting for black Adam and flash. I could care less about the Batman or any other DC film.

PrinceofAgoAre:
yeahhhh. Anyways we still do need a traditional d.m. Atleast someone that replaces fab when he's out. Heard we were opting for camavinga at a point then kelvin phillips.. I think i'd prefer phillips, since he's epl tested. Bt him be wan go man u.. Be like him want mke leeds fans chop am alive..

How's it going to be without salah, mane and keita. We've got arsenal on thursday and we cannot afford to lose to them nor crash out of carabao cup. Mke we use that one bin console ourself if epl nd ucl no work.. Mke FSG sef do normal release fundz..

Bros, as long as FSG dey that club, I don't have hopes on Liverpool any more. Well, until 10 years time. This season is over for me already. I am moving on to other things. These players, the club, the board, the owners keep repeating same mistakes. You got to wonder how Liverpool would cope against Newcastle, man City, United, Chelsea and Tottenham now.

PrinceofAgoAre:
yes. Allison should take a vacation on the bench.. Dude is just to error prone. He needs to get his mojo back.

i think we need cms actually nd nt just cms but creative ones. We've got dms in fab nd hendo/morton na.. In morton's case, he just needs to buck up

Morton commits dangerous fouls. Henderson has been poor lately. Fabinho is the only technical one we got. If only Gomez can play there. Matip is one player I think can play there.

PrinceofAgoAre:
Oh, didnt knw matip had covid... Konate was beside kante but could nt atleast stretch his leg to dispossess kante or disturb kante b4 he made d pass to pulisic. Put matip in that position. He would have done the above..

What was van Dijk doing?

PrinceofAgoAre:
Was glad he didnt play against chelsea.. Though i had a feeling prime allison would've pushed away that pulisic goal. Kelleher seems short... I hope kelleher gets more time.. But mehn? Why wasnt matip in today's match... I'm pretty sure chelsea wouldnt have equalize easily...

Matip has covid. Even if he played, we would have conceded, van Dijk was the problem yesterday. Sluggish. There's no complain on kelleher, had Alisson played, he might have stopped the Pulisic goal, but he would have conceded a stupid goal too. He should be benched so he can sit up and gain more confidence. The pressure is killing him.
We really need a DM and A.M/CM that aren't injury prone. Heck, we need like 5 more players. But the problem is, if we get them, Klopp won't play them.

Happy New Year, people

TheKingIsHere:
Tbh, no strenght or time for arguments

Just feeling too lazy to type nowadays. Hope I'm not the only one

Nope bro. E don tey wey we see your breaklight

AnfieldFan:
What more can we do...The boys tried their best and still are...

That one dey.

pu7pl3:
For months now I've not had strength for arguements...what has gotten into me

Old age, bro.
Thekingishere just went off the grid fah.

AnfieldFan:
Yea..It happens...Let's focus on the UCL and possibly league cup...
I've always known going toe to toe with City over a 38 game season wasn't really probable...
Who knows though, they might just lose 5 matches while we go on a long unbeaten run before the season comes to an end...

Lol...I love your sense of humor. That's funny.

AnfieldFan:
Yea...They are meant to provide a lil comic relief... Basically, the idea is a gang made up of henchmen so basic in thinking they do things just because they're meant to(Gang)...
Didn't you see the other one discussing his girlfriend issues with Hailee...You fit tell me say that scene no make you chuckle relate with the guy

I don't have problems with them though. I actually like them.

pu7pl3:
Trust a bro their mumu toomuch abeg

Lol, I like them sha.

AnfieldFan:
That's the whole point to them....Na say una no d understand wetin una d watch abi na wetin?

I don't understand. To look ridiculous and feel ridiculous? Well that's okay sha.

pu7pl3:
But bro apart from Lex that can pass off as a good guy if you see the others you mentioned you would immediately know they are bad guys

They are bad guys but on the outlook they don't look dangerous. They feel dangerous. I was just countering what Black Manta said about villains needing to look dangerous.

AnfieldFan:
That's the whole point to them....Na say una no d understand wetin una d watch abi na wetin?

Lol, baba I still dey vex for wetin happen on Wednesday. Ur people are pissing me off.

BlackManta:
They are not cool at all

They don't look or act like killers, they don't smoke or drink, do drugs or look dangerous. They look like burglars not henchmen

When they captured Clint they were gisting with him and asking funny questions. I won't call it an interrogation cus it's not...

A proper henchman will chain Clint to an electric chair and beat blood out of him before asking questions

Kingpin disappointed me. Where did he find those pussies?

They should be at home collecting pension

I disagree on the acting like killers, drinking, smoking, doing drugs to look dangerous part. The most dangerous villains don't look the part i.e Joker, Lex Luthor, Eobard Thawne, Thanos. I really don't rate villains that need to act grumpy or gruff to scare you, which was what Kingpin did. Remember that villain from swamp thing? He scared the hell out of me cause he was saying the right things and acting sincere but had ulterior motives.
But the tracksuit bros were a joke. Comic relief lol.