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pu7pl3:
The hypocrisy here is that even Flash and Spiderman have done this more times than Batsy but to you they are not Mary Sues
Please...

Am not talking about their respective powers bro. If na that one, na flash own vex me pass. Am talking about, them acting like a real person in real circumstances, being vulnerable, exhibiting human characteristics, flaws, hindrances. Not being 100 percent, all knowing, all super and whatever the story wants. You see Spiderman having daily troubles, decisions and flaws, sometimes he goes against his uncle's words and acts irresponsible and comes back to correct himself. Peter is a dynamic character, likewise Barry Allen, Wally or Bart. But Bruce Wayne is just there, cause he is Batman. All knowing, all powerful, has all the answers, alpha and Omega, super, cool all in one. Haba.

pu7pl3:
it's not out of character, you just haven't been paying attention
And Nolan's Batman was also like that to the extent that Lucius got scared and wanted out...

If you want to nit pick and look for flaws in Batman's character look at how he treats his wards and kids for starters or how he doesn't have time for the women in his life

But that arrow cave spyware really put me off the story so much. I mean, why watch green arrow in his cave? It makes no sense. Then that means he has a spy cam to watch Clark having sex with Lois or Arthur on top of Mera.

pu7pl3:
The same Batman that makes an Anti-virus and tests it on himself first is who you're disrespecting like this

You are fvcking up

Another Mary Sue characteristic.

pu7pl3:
it's not out of character, you just haven't been paying attention
And Nolan's Batman was also like that to the extent that Lucius got scared and wanted out...

If you want to nit pick and look for flaws in Batman's character look at how he treats his wards and kids for starters or how he doesn't have time for the women in his life

Nope. Nolan's Batman acts like an actual person. Trust me, what he did, tech billionaires do it. How he treats his kids also shows how unrelatable he is. A person who went through what he did as a child would treat similar kids better. Batman is written like a robot, too much. I guess the woman part is the only thing that makes him relatable. They really need to stop making that character the center of everything. Make him act human. Truth be told, what really sells Batman stories are his villains. Not the character itself.

phr0nesis:
He has already said it, he hates Batman.
Batman and Spiderman were the only reason I watch Superhero movies

Actually I am more a Spiderman fan. He is so relatable. Then there's Superman who I kinda relate with somehow. Many DC characters are relatable safe for bats who writers thought to make cool.

pu7pl3:
this is just your view and with all due respect it's hogwash, Batman didn't go through the amount of training both mentally and physically that he went through to let emotions cloud his judgements, his judgements are purely logical...

That's why it was mostly the intelligent leaguers that stood against Superman (Mr Terrific and Palmer)

Of course, I expected them to stay against Superman cause none of them knew Clark like Batman and Diana did. And even at that, I loved how mister T tried to point out to Superman how he couldn't save everyone using his methodology by bringing to point cigarettes smokers, drunk drivers and all while still empathizing with Superman. But bats knew his villains killed this man's wife and kid, I was expecting the moment where he will momentarily accept the code was flawed and he should have been the one to kill joker and Harley but he can't cause he would then be the one the world would need to fear. Those kind of talks and momentary human actions that show a character not a plot device, you know. Bats barely did anything to punish joker or Harley. He even had green lantern protect Harley and have her roaming free. Not very intelligent if you ask me.

pu7pl3:
this is just your view and with all due respect it's hogwash, Batman didn't go through the amount of training both mentally and physically that he went through to let emotions cloud his judgements, his judgements are purely logical...

That's why it was mostly the intelligent leaguers that stood against Superman (Mr Terrific and Palmer)

Of course, but that doesn't change the fact he is still human. It's what Nolan and Snyder gets right. Cause he trained himself to mental heights doesn't mean he shouldn't be human. That's the flaw I am talking about. Not this excuse of Batman can beat anyone cause he did eons of training, lol. Yea, I get I am speaking hogwash but it's what you get when you try very hard to relate to a character. Batman obviously has no weakness, like how do I relate with that? Aside that, the film was great but I will appreciate if DC writers wrote Batman as a human not a plot device. If you look at the film again, you would see he was everywhere the plot needed him to be, to the extent he had CCtv spying on green arrow in the arrow cave. As in, what the hell? I know Batman is paranoid but come on, that is so out of character, lol.

phr0nesis:
Mary Sue should have known that he, Nightwing and Green arrow were no match for Superman, Wonder woman, and Cyclop

Nope, on the contrary, a Mary Sue is a character that is perfect and does things to jump the shark. Batman has everything worked out, cause he is Batman. Totally unrelatable. The character is there when the plot needs him to, he does things the plot needs him to even if it's totally out of character or over the top. He is Batman.

phr0nesis:
That part disappointed me. I expected joker's teeth to be all over the place instead he was there listening to gists. In hush (I think) when batman assumed joker killed one unknown friend of his, he almost killed joker.

Risking other league members' life just to protect criminals was a flaw for me.

I disagree here. It wasn't a flaw just a plot convenience like how doomsday is something to kill Superman.

pu7pl3:
Don't mind Minemrys, who was supposed to stand against Superman for the story to progress if they had written Batman how they did in Hush or BVS?

Batman is always you people's sacrificial lamb and he does it with soomuch aplomb..the best comic book character ever

I wasn't saying he should be pro Superman, I mean there were better ways and more relatable ways to do it. The story just presented Batman as the ultimate do gooder without empathy towards Superman's pain. I wish they didn't do the scene where Batman was trying to save those psychotics, harlequin should have been jailed by Batman himself. That's my probs with Batman, he is written more as a plot convenience. His character is just made to further the story, which makes him less relatable. Look at wonder woman, she did empathize with Superman till she saw how wrong she was. I was expecting a moment of compromise from Batman till he realizes he was letting emotions get in the way. That's what draws audience and the story would have been better, and we would have appreciated Batman more.
I said it some time ago, Batman is not a hero, atleast the way DC writes him. He enjoys fighting his villains, he loves them. Well, that's for the Bruce Wayne version. I love the Thomas Wayne own more, he isn't a Mary Sue.

TheEnygma:
I don't care what people say but Ben Affleck will always be my favorite Batman.... The guy really nailed the role.

The irony there is that I was among the people who criticized his casting online when it was first announced .
But immediately I saw his performance on Batman V Superman especially that "Knightmare Scene" where he dreamt of flash telling him that Lois lane is the key... I completely fell in love with the character all over again.

Ben Affleck Batman is the reason I will like the character. If not I hate Batman. The dceu story and Affleck humanized him and made him relatable. He wasn't all broody or calculating every time or self righteous. He acted like an actual person.

phr0nesis:
Batman had his own flaws

He didn't. He was all judgmental. Cold and all moral. That isn't flawed. I was thinking maybe he would almost be at the brink of killing Joker before Superman ultimately did then Batman will try to cover up the murder by Superman or something like that. I just hated how Batman was just so saint like without being relatable. Dude, your worst enemy just killed the wife of your best friend and you are protecting him? That's Mary Sue-ish. An all perfect character.

Kinzo980:
The Injustice movie is average to me. They tried to cram many things into such a short time, it felt rushed.
By the way, what happened to the kryptonite shard in superman's head

Stop fast forwarding your films. I believe raas Al ghul used a toxin to flush it out, didn't he?
Average? I don't think so. Rushed? Yea, particularly the resolution. But that's okay, who knows perhaps we may have the live action version someday. We could have if not for WB.

The ending of Injustice felt too easy to me. Alternate universe Superman and Lois coming to save the day, how convenient. Overall, it was great. Loved how they treated it with a sense of realism. Everyone was flawed, not perfect. Except Batman, who for some reason still remains a saint. I just hate the Batman character to heavens. But the film is 9/10 for me.

Nickshrapnel:
It is still speculation at this stage, neither WB nor the director have claimed that any of the previous Kryptonians are making an appearance.

I mean atje and Andy muschieti unwittingly confirm it. The director shouldn't be liking the post if it's something they want to keep out of speculation or media eye. I kinda love when films and directors get secretive till the film is closer to release. At this stage we know too much. The film might suffer cause of this, just like BvS did.

Nickshrapnel:
If true, there may be hope for MoS

Also heard Zod is in it. Perhaps there could be a surprise Henry Cavill cameo. I just wish they didn't spoil it. This is my problem with them. They release all these news and hype till there's little surprise in the actual film.

Nickshrapnel:
This movie premiered 2 years ago today defying all box office expectations. I predicted $500m max as its BO return, what did you predicted?

I actually predicted a billion dollars before it was even made lol

abduleez1:
OGBENI, guy you too like complain....just say you don't like the Show. That show is way ahead, I mean head, shoulder and tail better than any shït Titans can think up.

The characters progression are good.

Rita Farr has grown, so is Robotman and Jane. Negative Man also a big character progression.
Cyborg might be a drag but he's slightly developed and grown past his angst for his father.


Titans: I fvvking can't say the same....drab and wack writing from day one. In fact Stargirl and S&L is better than it by a mile. Going by your rating, more than half the Titans characters will need to be scrapped and killed off.

Seems you are taking this personal. For starters, I never hyped Titans mind you. My opinion was on season 3 of Titans being an improvement to the convoluted mess that was season 2, and if you were paying attention I did say something about Titans and Todd which I and pu7pl3 talked on briefly. Bros, you are mistaken to think I favor one over another. I just want some progressive story, and I don't see a progression whereby a character still hasn't learnt to get a hold of herself, keeps being a mess, still hasn't figured how to control her powers even after two seasons of great focus on the character. There was a time I thought it was the actress being bad. As in, if I went back to season 1, negative man, Jane and Cliff are much different from now. They've grown. Rita and cyborg still the same.
And to be fair, besides swamp thing, the HBO Max shows haven't done anything that great, they all got their faults, doom patrol just felt repetitive with two characters still stuck in the plot surrounding identity crisis. Come on, when are they going to feel like a superhero team of misfits? That's what they were in the comics, right?
Lastly, are you having a bad day?

TheKingIsHere:
It has exceeded TV right now and is sitting on some cinema levels. So impressed with the dead boys issh.

Was expecting it to be meh, but was impressed

Is it the cinematography or the story? Cause I honestly don't see the cinema level stuff in the story. The story so far is garbage, repetitive, to me. But the picture quality is good.

TheKingIsHere:
I agree with the bolded.

But i believe that they used cyborg so that the black community won't be left out.

Really? And there isn't another character that fits the bill aside cyborg from the actual comics? As in, it's very evident cyborg doesn't belong in the story. He is under utilized, the story doesn't fit the character, he is just forced in and drags the show. Rita is the worst written.

Skseries:
lol, how the heck he knew Martha is the big question.

Leme do u another better, beginning of BVS Bruce fell in the cave and the the bats flew he was scared and next the bats started flying around him and he begins to levitate as they did. Can someone explain that particular scene cus recently I was rewatching the movie and I was just trying to understand that particular scene.

That scene is figurative. It needs no explanation really cause Bruce already said it. The scene didn't happen physically but in Bruce's mind. The death of his parents broke him but Batman saved him by bringing him to the light, which was a beautiful lie, as being Batman took more from him than the deaths of his parents.
It's symbolic. And made sense if you watched the ultimate cut to the end.

Skseries:
leme do u another better, what was the essence of the scene with Barry Allen and Iris west car safe scene, still wondering what it added to the story.

Tried to build the Barry character. Introduce us to him as a lonely guy out on his own with little connection to the world. It literally showed us Barry and his powers. The scene had a point actually.

TheKingIsHere:
This Doom patrol season 3 is top tier cinema.

I am loving every bit of it, especially episode 3 with the Dead boys detective.

Abeg, when is the Dead boys detective series airing on HBOmax?

Wait till episode 4. I don't know which angle you guys are seeing it but damn, the show has been repetitive. Episode 4 just killed it for me entirely.
So far so good, I will rate it 6/10. The Rita Farr character is the one that is most underdeveloped. Then there's cyborg. Cyborg really shouldn't be in this show, he looks way out. Flex metallo would have been better. Am happy with negative man progression, Jane's too and robotman humor but Rita needs to be killed off with cyborg. Those two drag the show and serve no real purpose except repeat emotional arcs of season 1.

Skseries:
lol what was the essence of the scene with martian man and Lois lane. Still trying to understand

I honestly have no idea. But I would like to think that as Lois and Swanwick got closer, he started to see how important she was or of an impact she is, so he couldn't go to her as Swanwick, cause it would look strange, so he used the appearance of who she would most likely have huge respect for. But the bigger question was, how the heck did Swanwick know Martha?

Nickshrapnel:

That scene didn't come out well and kinda had Bruce acting out of character. Realistically he should be asking questions and damn, how did Jonn jonnz know he is Batman?
I even found it strange how Bruce was quick to reveal his secret identity to Aquaman, flash and Lois Lane. Batman never does that. Especially not that soon.

Doom Patrol still the same as when it first aired. No character development. Characters still whining about same thing they whined about in season 1. When will the writers let these characters grow? I guess it's time I stopped watching.

pu7pl3:
Red death is also a speedster, it's not the same

The question is, is he a flash villain? Not just having a speedster who isn't exactly a character's villain to be his bad guy. It's something that annoyed me with arrow, using Batman villains. I don't know much about the red death character but if he is a flash villain, great. But personally I would like to keep it traditional with RF, Black Flash and the rogues, before slowly bringing in the newbies. I mean you can't have Batman origin film introduce red hood as the bad guy, Jason Todd red hood I mean.

BlackManta:
There is a definitely a speedster villain in The Flash movie but my money's on Black Flash not Red Death...

Is Red death a flash villain? Cause it will be strange having scarecrow as a Superman villain like having Red Death be a flash villain. Am new to that though. But I doubt the character is in it. Just hype.

Silentgroper:
No comment on keita's goal

Let's take it game by game yet. Am glad midfielders have started chipping in with goals

Xavier5:
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TheKingIsHere:
So, disney that has been doing remake of all their classics are not greedy? Or is it Paramount that kept on milking the fast and furious saga? Or is it sony that have decided to milk the spidey characters in the shortest time possible?

Once you come to understand that most if not all studios are greedy, the better for you mind.

Although, I understand your plight, but there's nothing we can do as people will come out en mass to watch joker2

Hope you know I wasn't making any comparison with any company right? I was talking about just one company. My statement wasn't a versus thing to invite any argument.