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WhyMe222:
One question I want answers to now is: our court marriage did not happen here in Lagos, can I file for dissolution of the union here in Lagos?

If this question is meant for me,i will advise you not to consider divorce at all ! Please do not divorce ur lovely wife !
I can tell you what to do to get rid of all ur worries and concerns and i promise u that after now,she will not go back to such life or act !
God help us.

olaric: Are there no better ways of dressing these days without exposing cleavages?

Not cleavages but bare breasts ! Cleavages is just to decorate the obvious !
God help us

devour129: you are heartless and stupid.

Thank God for our right !
But what will happen if the man allows by gone to be by gone this one that most of u are busy abusing konn ? Did he abuse or insult anyone of you wen he commented on this tread ? Leave every man to his opinion. If you must contribute reply a comment,MUST you insult the comm-enters ? Let's learn to correct people with love !
God help us

Image123: one fellow is waking up in the middle of the night depressed about tithe, the other is complaining that his name is Pastor and not 'pastor'. What's wrong with these people? i'd advice Ihedinobi and mko2005 not to EXERT too much time or energy on this issue, the folks you're addressing are not interested in what you say.
foreknowledge

God help us all.

I'm just seein this,referencing the highlighted ! Thank you very much image 123.I will no longer contribute to this issue anymore. Thanks my bro.
God help every one of us
God bless us

christemmbassey: ithe truth is bitter, tithe was abolished there is nothing anyone can do about that, if you de collect tithe take my advice and learn a trade b4 its too late.

See below mate :
But the New Testament does not require a tithe? But the tithe was not abolished, as was the Sabbath. The Sabbath was not pre-Moses, was for Israel only, and was clearly abolished according to Paul. Tithing was pre-Moses and not rejected by Paul, thus remaining as a guide.
What if I do not give? You rob God, and you will suffer (Hag 1:1-11; Mal 3:8-12; II Cor 9:6; Gal 6:7). Everything you have is from the Lord, and you should willingly give some back. It is often the love of money that causes some to oppose tithing and/or giving, but disciples of Jesus Christ give liberally, for they reject covetousness and the love of money (I Tim 6:6-10,17-19).
God help us all

Ihedinobi: @bolded: Am I indeed.

Are tithes collected, that is, are tithes collections? Are they material blessings?

I did tell you to pay attention, didn't I, Goshen?



@bolded: is that right? Well, let's see what your #3 says, shall we?



These material blessings that you agree that ministers of the Word are entitled to, are they ever collected together in the church?



I think that the short of everything you said above is that ministers of the Gospel have been granted the right, nay, commanded by the Lord to receive their wages and sustenance from preaching the Gospel. Your contentions are that tithes were not specifically mentioned and the tone of our Lord's command was such that the wages that the ministers of the Gospel receive must be freely given.

Goshen's Concern #1: Tithes were not specifically mentioned.

Would they need to be if our Lord and His disciples took for granted that it was an eternal principle?


Goshen's Concern #2: Whatever the ministers were to receive as wages must be without compulsion.

If it is natural to the believer to give a tenth of his material wealth toward the wages of those who minister to him spiritually, would it be a matter of obligating him or compelling him to pay tithes if one appealed to his natural inclination to do so? Does a thing's nature not compel that thing to behave in a particular way and still be free in its actions behaving that way?

Edit: PS. I feel that I must add the following: the question we're discussing is who receives the tithes in the House of the Lord today? My answer is those that minister to the Body spiritually. You asked for Scriptural evidence which I offered but which you rejected on the grounds that (1)it does not mention tithes specifically and (2)the wages it speaks of that the ministers of the Word receive are not obligatory upon their givers. In the above, I have offered an address of those grounds. I offer this explanation to keep us on course and prevent running away with issues not immediately relevant to the discussion. That is why I did not address some things you said in your post.

See below posts :
But the New Testament does not require a tithe?- That is right, but Paul did appeal to the Law of Moses for principles of financial giving, which shows the remaining validity of the principles pertaining to giving (I Cor 9:8-9; II Cor 9:9; I Tim 5:18).
But anything like a tithe becomes a mere ritual?- Worship becoming a dead ritual depends on your heart, for systematic giving can be done cheerfully, as Moses required of the Jews, and Paul required of the Gentiles (I Cor 16:1-3). Does attending assemblies every Lord's Day or daily reading of the Bible become a dead ritual merely by its discipline or habit? No!
God help us

Ihedinobi: Your answer according to the bolded is that even if our Lord and His disciples both took for granted that tithing is an eternal principle, He would still have proceeded while instructing them about their mission to give them lessons on tithing, right?



Ok. First, I'm not disputing that giving was to be of one's free will and not compulsion.

Second, you have toed brilapluz's path of demanding specifically worded Scriptures. I cannot give you Scriptures that say specifically that tithes were given and I would appreciate your telling me why there should be records of such.

Third. As I have said before elsewhere, the Law describes Christ and thus the Christian. It was more than just a command that human beings behave in a particular way, it was a deacription of how Christians behave by nature without compulsion. As such, when God described things as He did, it was to make known to Adam's race what kind of human being He wants and consequently how Adam was not that kind at all and couldn't be however hard he tried.

See the below :
But the New Testament does not require a tithe? But the tithe was not abolished, as was the Sabbath. The Sabbath was not pre-Moses, was for Israel only, and was clearly abolished according to Paul. Tithing was pre-Moses and not rejected by Paul, thus remaining as a guide !
God help us

brilapluz: let me get U clearly,u said d reason U tithe is out of love 4 God and 2 further d gospel of christ..cant dat b DONE witout holdin on to an obligatory regulation(tithe) dat forces U 2 give a specified amount rada dan Freely giving..it can stil b done witout being a slave 2 an obsolete law..study paul's instruction 2 d corinthians about Generosity in 2corinthians 9:7..!

If you actually read through my posts you will see my point regarding the special grace of God and the understanding some have concerning tithe,that people who understands tithing have gone beyond 10 percent ! 'We' no longer give 10 percent ! The grace made it possible for us not to be obligated to give just 10 percent becos we want to do more for Christ! And the grace made it possible for us that out of our love for Christ and HIS word we should tithe ! It's like taking a dive in a pool and not be wet ! How possible ? If we are truly born again,we will not contradict or go against tithers or her collectors ! A truly born again should be eager to teach people how to tithe lovingly and not obligatorily ! It's just like saying i want to follow Jesus becos i don't want to be punished ! It should be i am following Christ and doing HIS work becos of the love i have for God !
What haven't we heard concerning God and HIS word ! Even some say there is no God ! Some say Christ is not the messaiah! sOME SAY Christ isn't the son of God ! Some say HE never died not to talk of resurrection ! Some of you even say HE never walked the surface of the earth ! Was it not naija pagan,muskeeto,ptolomeo,ifesness,bilonnaire ,ooman and so many of them who said 'we' been Christians are beein foolish becos we follow a jewish wicked God ?
But God knows HIS own ! Tithing never takes anyone to heaven ! But i believe that anyone who has got a very good relationship with God will not call people who preach tithing thieves and say that those who pay tithes are sinners !
Follow ur heart mate !
God help us all

DrummaBoy: And they have further taken their deceit to include FIRSTFRUIT. i like to tell this story in regards to firstfruit.

A lady moved to lagos from my local church bc of work. In The church she joined d pastor began asking her for firstfruit. She reported d matter to my pastor here in Ibadan.

My Pastor then explained to d church that firstfruit is tithe and no one need pay it, except the tithe.

Now if we were to return a hundred yrs ago, the matter in question would have been tithe not firstfruit.

Eventually with time and indoctrination people would take what they hear as biblical without questioning the basis. If my Pastor had lived in the 19century he would probably have come to the same conclusion on tithing same way he did on firstfruit.

Drummaboy,i have another comprehension issue with the above,may be this time,i'm to be held responsible ! Notwithstanding,permit me to say that our knowledge of the word of God determines how far we can go with God !

DrummaBoy: Let me add to the issue of history
1. There is no evidence that first generation Christians paved tithe
2. There is no evidence tithing was re discovered in the reformation
3. No one has spoken of Wesley churches tithing
4. There is no evidence tithe was used to support early missionaries in Africa
Tithing is wholly an unorthodox practise popularized by prosperity gospellers

The drummaboy !
Let's take it point by point sir !
1. There is no evidence that first generation Christians paved tithe- Were they evidence that first generation Christians never paid tithes ?The teachers of the law(Scribes and the pharisees)were supposed to be part of the early Christians like we see in the case of Nicodemus who walked up to Jesus at the middle of the night just to hear more of the word from Christ and eventually got converted as we saw in a whole lot of risks he took becos of Christ. Wen Jesus was preaching to Nicodemus,did he ask him not to tithe anymore ? Rather he encouraged him to get born again and to always give ! Is tithing not part of giving ? May be some of you guys are to scared to part with ur 'meager '5k' @ the end of the month !If the teachers of the law paid that and was encouraged by Christ to continue to pay their tithe why should i not be encouraged to do so ?
2. There is no evidence tithing was re discovered in the reformation- If Christ supported even the 'hypocritical unqualified' scribes and pharisees to continue to pay their tithe even in the supposed reformation as seen in Mathew 23:23,what then are we saying ? If tithing was bad,Christ would have rebuked the adherents ! Remember stoning of the adulterous women was a mosaic law but Christ show the teachers of the law that things have changed by not approving of their stoning of the adulterous woman ! Remember that doing anything on Sabbath day other than the work of God was against the law but Christ severally rebuked the scribes and the pharisees that it's not what it means ! And also remember the paying of tax to ceaser,was it condemned by Christ ? NO-but they were encouraged to continue with paying of their tax just like us today ! Christ never condemned tithe.He encouraged it !
3. No one has spoken of Wesley churches tithing- Brake it down pls ! I can not give an answer to what i barely comprehend
4. There is no evidence tithe was used to support early missionaries in Africa- Anything in form of gift,offerings even stolen or blood money has been used in the past to push the gospel forward !
God help us

Pastor Kun: The high lighted is a lie from the pit of hell cooked up by religious merchants to justify the tithing scam and expalin away why it was not taught in the new testament. The fact remains that most of the books in the new testament were epistles written to gentiles[corinthians, romans, galatians, ephesians, colossians, thessalonians e.t.c] and these gentiles could not have been conversant or used to the jewish tradition of tithing so there would have been a need to teach them and encourage to tithe if it indeed was a christain requirement but alas there is no such teaching or record in scriptures. The fact remains that tithing as we practise it today was started in america less than 150 years ago. If you don't know your church history go and do some research and stop regurgitating lies that have been used to fleece believers over the years.

Referencing the highlighted,were they no Jewish Christians back then with the early churches ? If there were Jewish Christians,did they pay their tithes ? If they tithed as was their tradition like you said,were they rebuked for tithing? If they never tithed of course which will go against their tradition according to you,show me where in the scriptures when they were hailed/applauded for not tithing or where in the scriptures when they were admonished not to tithe as christian Jews ? Or should we just say none of the scripture was written by a Jew or for the Jews as well !
Pls my brother which you are sir,tithing been popularized just some 150yrs ago according to you (may be the bible is just 150yrs old becos tithing is in both NT and OT of the bible)does not make it a sin or not biblical ! It's just like saying 'silver and gold i have none' is not biblical becos it's been popularized some 2yrs ago in Nigeria !
God help us

3. If we can show that though the Mosaic laws are abolished, the issue of tithing have been re-enacted with our own peculiar dispensation -
Ooops ! I missed out on no 3 for drumaboy !
The mosaic laws were laws given by God to HIS servant in that dispensation,they were not completely abolished becos there are so many things in the grace (Jesus)dispensation that agrees with the OT(Mosaic)Some of them with shallow explanation/understanding were properly explained to us by Christ ! We now have a clearer understanding and the things that are no longer necessary has been given a new meaning by Christ !
Thank You Jesus !
God help us

Pastor Kun: Stop trying to be clever by half, the only Law carried over to the dispensation of grace is to Love God and to Love our fellow men.

There are so many laws that were carried from the old to the new testament. But that isn't the topic for now but if you care,i can still list them for you !It was not just love that was carried from the old to the new but Christ summed up all laws of the new testament proper in love ! And now i ask you,if you agree that love is indeed one of the laws that we can find in the new and the old testament,why not allow me who intends to pay my tithe for the furtherance of the gospel to keep doing it out of the love i have for God,HIS word and HIS work !Do i pay my tithe to church of satan ? I pay to d church of God !
I ask you this question,' DO YOU LOVE GOD' ? If you do,stop persecuting HIM !
God help us

DrummaBoy: To say the truth, 15yrs ago when I came to Christ and this brother I used to play Chess with got wind of the fact that I was saved, took me aside and explained that there were a no. of things I should now begin to do. He listed them and tithe was one of them. I obeyed bc he said it, not bc I saw it in scriptures or bc anyone taught me. Months later I read a literature that encouraged me to continue. The church I attended: it was a no go area; you either tithe or you are excommunicated (something of that nature).

However the more I read Paul words and understod the gospel of grace, the more I questioned the tithe but never had the courage to stop. Until... I took the bold step two month ago.

Is there a reason to tithe? The answer is NO. The only reason to tithe include the following

1. If the NT can show that Pastors, etc, are an ordained preisthood, that do not possess lands, etc, and must be supported by the Church, same way the levites where.
2. If we can show that the tithe that God demands is raw money and not crops and animals
3. If we can show that though the Mosaic laws are abolished, the issue of tithing have been re-enacted with our own peculiar dispensation
4. If we can find one single scripture in the NT that teaches directly or even indirectly that the NT believer must tithe
5. If tithing can be said to be not obligatory, nor is it compulsory, the kind of giving that Paul encouraged in 2 corinthians

Now my question to you is this: We have a forum, a religion forum, that is replete with atheist; many of whom have morbid hatred for Christianity. If by the grace of God one of them comes to faith in Christ. What will you tell him to do, to continue in God and to grow in grace into Maturity? Will you encourage them to begin to tithe and tell him that if he does not tithe he will go to hell?(Now that line sounds a lot like the Judaizers who, in Acts 15, wanted the gentiles to be circumcized to be truly saved. Thank God Paul resisted them, and we would continue to resist modern day Judaizers also)

Drumaboy ! I like the username cos it reminds me of one air freshener back in the days !
Coming to ur questions sir,there will be no long rhetoric but the word as given to me by the 'spirit' ! Let us take it one after the other:
[b]1. If the NT can show that Pastors, etc, are an ordained preisthood, that do not possess lands, etc, and must be supported by the Church, same way the levites where.-' [/b]Hebrews 7:21 made it clear that Christ is the new and final high priest-'(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of MelchisedecApostle paul showed us the last time that teachers of the gospel have the right to eat there of.Now he did not just say it as a new covenant law but he quoted moses and his law,trying to remind us that it is still applicable in the new covenant for them to eat of the gospel but they(apostles)can also decide not to take what rightfully belong to them from the congregation.And that their not taking from members wether christian givings,gifts,offerings,tithes or what have you does not make that very authority given to them non effective. ''Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope''-1 Corinthians 9:7-10 I DECIDED TO QUOTE THIS SCRIPTURES JUST TO SHOW US THAT EVEN APOSTLE PAUL ONE OF THE PROPONENTS OF GRACE AFTER CHRIST KNOWS THE LAW AND QUOTES FROM IT AS WELL ! Pls bro,there are old testament laws that still grace with the dispensation of grace !
2. If we can show that the tithe that God demands is raw money and not crops and animal- When God said in Malachi 3 that HIS children should bring all the tithes into the store house so that there will be plenty food in HIS house does that mean if people had brought in money in place of animal and crop it would have been rejected ? The idea for that particular tithing in Malachi 3 was for the purpose of having more than enough in the house of God.Money can be used to buy animals and also farm produce !The pharisees and scribes that Christ instructed to pay their tithes as well as do other important things of life,were they all farmers ? If yes,then it means that all then were predominantly farmers ! But the case is different today ! Or are you a farmer or do u rear animals ? Farming/fishing were the major and the order of the day back then that even carpenters,bricklayers,goldsmiths and the rest all take part in at least peasant farming ! You see why crops and animals were always looked at when ever tithe was mentioned then !
4. If we can find one single scripture in the NT that teaches directly or even indirectly that the NT believer must tithe-Now concerning one scripture that teaches indirectly if not directly that tithing is a law that metamorphosed from the old testament into the new testament,we should consider Mathew 23:23 and the reason it was not thoroughly or repeatedly mentioned in the New testament was becos it was never an issue in the new testament,even with the early Christians! Let's see Mathew 23:23'' "What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law--justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.'' From this scripture,i do not need any FEMI ARIBISALA to tell me that if i pay my tithe i am a sinner! Justice,mercy and faith are all laws as shown in this scripture including the tithing law,but Christ showed here that to pay our tithes is the very least of these laws ! But he went further to tell the hypocrites that they should continue with tithing that there is no cause for alarm but where there will be problem is wen they fail to keep the other laws like administering good justice,showing mercy to whom needs to be shown mercy and to be faithfull to God ! Do you agree with me that to love is A LAW in the old that also metamorphosed into the new testament ? But Christ said among all the laws that love is the greatest! That is how paying of tithe is the least among justice,mercy and faith in God ! I love the holy bible becos it is just more than complete !
5. If tithing can be said to be not obligatory, nor is it compulsory, the kind of giving that Paul encouraged in 2 corinthians - You see the drumaboy,in this one,i can't agree with you anyless !How can we make the congregation and our pastors see that Christ died for us all and that we can no longer go under becos we failed to keep a particular law of the book ? Remember what James said that no one can keep all the laws and if you are guilty of one then you are guilty of all ! Wen people say i will not go to heaven becos i failed to pay my tithe then i start to wonder what happened to the shedding of HIS blood on the cross of Calvary that eventually brought us grace ! It is Just like saying for the word said we should not forsake the gathering of believers and if i fail to fellowship with my fellow believers may be some times i will go to hell or even always !
Now if you care to know,i am not a faithful tither ! i tithe every once in a while. Not becos i like to tithe that way but becos i some times have some daring needs to attend to or still have to support some people some where and some how or just sometimes i even forget to send in my tithe ! My own understanding with tithe isn't of fear but that we have to support the work of God with what God has blessed us with !That ministry needs cash ! Real cash that even wen Christ was about going to the cross HE sent out the disciples with purses ! My wife is of the Roman catholic denomination and i am of the Pentecostal but she understands the principle of tithing and was some what faithful to it even before i met her and eventually married her !In the church were she worships,the priests rarely or even don't mention it yet she tithes ! That is the understanding we should have concerning tithing-Not tithing out of fear but out of ur love for God,HIS word and for the proper understanding of the word tithe !
The Kingdom of God must be supported even if we all fail to give tithe ! Mind us,some of us have stopped giving 10 percent but everything ! We say 10 percent is limiting us and the work of God ! That is the understanding i am talking about !
God bless you drumaboy !
God help us

Pastor Kun: You are the one making bogus claims that christians are instructed to tithe biblically so the onus is on you to show us from scriptures clear instructions to tithe and also clear instructions the tithe should be of money from regular income as I am yet to see any such instruction or even example in the bible. That is apart from the fact that as we have already shown you in the past tithing was brought to an end in hebrew 7 and described as a weak, useless and unprofitable law. that aside my username is pastor kun and NOT 'pastor' kun.

But do you agree with me that there are laws that were not touched or 'fulfilled' becos they were clear and agrees with the gospel of grace (grace dispensation) as brought to us by Christ ?
Let's take it one after the other mate !
God help us

Pastor Kun: @Bolded
There is no biblical or christian reason why he or any christian at all should tithe other than the man made reasons made up by twisting scriptures to justify the greed for money by some preachers.

'Pastor' kun good afternoon to you !
Can you tell me of any part of the bible that said we shouldn't pay tithe ?
One after the other 'pastor'kun ! I know ur kind sir ! so let us take it slow and steady.
God help us

brilapluz: lol..i stil believe U havent answered d question..wat verse and wat chapter did paul 'explicitly' say dat in d new order of tins,dat it is d ministers dat receive tithes instead of d levites whose temple has been abolished..mind u,am not against support of ministers of d gospel..pls do not assume or tink dat support translate 2 tithes..

If Jesus Himself after 'LASHING OUT' on the scribes and pharisees for the things they ought to do and did not,did HE(Jesus) not went on to support them to continue tithing ? [b]'YOU SHOULD TITHE YES'[/b]Mathew 23:23 ! Since the bible or Christ Himself never instructed anyone not to tithe rather he 'applauded' the hypocritical scribes and pharisees to continue tithing,i think tithing is not a sin.If it were,Christ would have asked even the teachers of the law to desist from such like he did to them with the case of the Sabbath,the Trinity,the stoning of adulterous women,wining and dining with sinners and so many other cases that are clearly stated in the scriptures. The reason tithing was not mentioned much in the New testament books was becos it was never an issue. Believers paid their tithes. BuT today,'believers does not want to pay anymore becos,may be they think that the pastors or priests are getting fatter and fatter and no longer been referred to as church rat and the enemy (devil)is not happy and using his tricks to make people rebel the words of God ! But there is nothing we can do about it becos wether we pay or do not pay,the true teachers of the word of God can not go hungry and the gospel will continue to circulate untill the comming of our lord Jesus Christ.
Can any anti tither show me where Christ or any of the apostles say we shouldn't tithe anymore ? Remember i have shown us that even Jesus himself supported the people that paid their tithes !
God help us

DrummaBoy: I woke up in the midnight and I was depressed. The posts from the likes of Luluosas and the rest, that those who do not tithe will go to hell was getting to me and casting me in great doubt about my decision to stop tithing. I believe God reached me through Jesus words in Matthew 24 where he stated in the beginning of his discuss that we should not be deceived for MANY will come in my name and even claim to be Christ. That was the key for me. These revelations saying Jesus said those who don't tithe will go to hell are demonic manifestations only out to deceive. That is why their proponents do not sit down to do any sound biblical analysis the way Goshen and the likes of Ihednobi and Bidam do. They trust in their revelation but these revelations only reveal another Jesus.

Then I saw Paul admonision to the Galatians in 3:1, O foolish (Drummaboy) who has bewitched you; (was it not) before you Christ was clearly shown crucified. My grief this morning was a result of bewitching.

And to further assure me, from my phone, I read those long post from Chinedu202000. I read every word and they were a great source of encouragement.

I have laid my hand on the plow and there is no going back; tithing is not a NT injuction. May God grant that I grow in the grace of giving, while I leave tithe to the Judaizers. God's sure word of prophecy, the bible, is sufficient for me.

The question u should have asked yourself long before now should be ; 'why do i pay my tithe ?'
If u can answer the above question then it will help in your decision !
Good luck in your new found stands !
God help us

Goshen360: Okay, no wahala my brother. If I have time tomorrow, I will respond to you and we take it gradually; one after the other. You're not doing anything to be blessed, you're already blessed in Christ. Stay blessed.

@ Goshen good morning ! Like i promised yesterday,i said i will be back today as the spirit leads. Thanks be to God Almighty !
Coming to the question u asked concerning who receives tithes as per the dictates of the holy scriptures, i will say we should look at the book of Malachi which was used by Femi Aribisala to call pastors who talk about tithing in the house of God as thieves ! Malachi 3:10 says that God said '' Bring in all the tithes into the store house that there may be plenty in my house...'' From this quote,i can confidently tell you that 'this' very tithe must be for the house of God ! So,this tithe is paid to the house of God !
Does the above answer your question ?
God help us

@Goshen,my time is up with nairaland for today.Will continue tomorow as the spirit leads ! Trust u will find my contributions so far inspiring. God bless u
God help us

farem: The Church is indeed under siege-the gates of Hell! When many world billionaires are devoting their billions of dollars to spread satanism, it is their money and intelligence at work, BUT when christians give tithes and other offerings, they are mugus.
The great and last revival that MUST happen require real money (charlatan pastors excepted) and Satan would do ANYTHING using some few who will SELL his ideas to other gullibles to help stop giving for this end-time revival. HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED ANY IMMORAL and SATANIC POLICY THAT WILL NOT REQUIRE REAL MONEY TO SUCCEED? Do you know all these financiers behind such satanic program? Many have given up and are still working to gather more wealth to the course of gayism, abortion etc yet they are considered smart.
The CHURCH is marching forward and the gates of hell-fake pastors, chalartans, giving discouragers, anti-christ with his satanists and et all will not prevail against Her Amen!

I don't know who you are but i pray that God will bless you heavily in Jesus name...
God help us

hopedavid: Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. If you are truly led by God's spirit, you do anything you do including and especially 'giving' with freedom. No pastor or MOG should pressurise you. I believe in tithing not because I have to but I freely love to. As for the pastors who use it to enrich themselves, the last time I checked, God is still God and He is the Judge not you. The Truth will be revealed one day and so will judgement. What matters most is your personal relationship with this God.

God bless u

Goshen360: Let's do the teaching one after the other. Okay, I will answer your question but you must answer mine thereafter.

Tithing in the law of Moses is a type and shadow of Christian giving. In the Old, it was a way of sharing and giving but because it was a law dispensation, it must be fixed, stipulated to legal percentage and then must be adhere strictly to. It foreshadowed the ministry of New Testament concerning giving and receiving. Why then must I tithe? Because the law of Moses commanded such for the law dispensation but Grace does not based sharing\receiving on legalistic\fixed percentage.

Now, back to my question - Who are those to receive tithe today in the Church age?

Thanks for ur contribution Goshen.
There were laws dropped or should i say clearly explained by Christ in the dispensation of Grace (New covenant) like the tit for tat,un-forgiveness like stoning to death of those caught in adulterous acts just to mention a few.But there were some other that Christ never said anything concerning becos they can pass for both the law and grace dispensation i.e thou shall not kill,thou shall not commit adultery,thou shall not serve any other God other than the creator of the heavens and the earth just to mention but a few,u will agree with me that in the old dispensation a woman caught in the act of adultery MUST be stone to death but in the grace dispensation,she MUST be forgiven. You will also agree with me that in the old dispensation adultery is forbidden.So is it forbidden in the grace dispensation but the difference now is forgiveness ! That is how it is with tithing ! How do i know this ? No one was ever condemned for tithing as was the case with other laws of burnt offering,tit for tat,stoning to death and the likes rather people who weren't tithing properly were admonished on the proper way to tithe-Mathew 23:23 'YOU SHOULD TITHE YES' Tithing alongside doing the other needful, i.e Justice,mercy and faith ! So tithing is a law of the old dispensation that is applicable in the new dispensation of Grace as we have thou shall not steal and thou shall not commit murder in the old testament and also in the new testament so do we have the covenant of tithing in the dispensation of grace !
Now see the difference in both dispensations: If you go against any of those laws back in the law dispensation,you will pay the price instantly but the grace dispensation can speak for you even if you fail to obey the laws(thou shall not murder,steal etc)or the covenant of tithe paying where people aren't faithful to it and the grace is also there to speak for them.
Now concerning why i pay my tithe:-God said in Malachi 3:10 that if i bring in my tithes and offerings,that there will be plenty in God's store house ! I tithe not becos i am under a law but becos i love God and want HIS work to be moved farther than where it is today. I want plenty to be in the ouse of God where widows can run to for help,where the less privileged can be privileged to have more than enough and where those who work in God's vine yard can live in plenty and not like the way of the old phrase 'church rat' ! Now if the pastors fail to properly utilize this tithe of mine,it is left for God to ask them becos i gave to God and not the pastor !
God help us all

Goshen360: Okay, who are those to receive tithe or tithing today?

The question you should ask first should be why should i even tithe ?
God help us

Goshen360: @ m.k.o2005

You think Christ was talking to His Disciples\Apostles and\or the Church\Christians in that context? Then try that scripture, Matthew 23:23 in this format and see how it reads

New International Version (©2011)
"Woe to you, Disciples\Apostles of Christ and the Church\Christians, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

How does that read to you? You need to leave that context to those Christ was saying woe to and not extend it to Christians and\or the Apostles. You're going beyond what is written! 1 Corinthians 4:6

Christ was not talking to Christians in Mathew 23:23 BUT to those who are supposed to be Christains but are not becos they aren't doing what is expected of them. If Tithing was bad or an error even to the the Pharisees,scribes and all the teachers back then,Chrsit would have siad: Do not tithe you... or You think tithing is good abi ? or may who told you that tithing is important you ..... But He went on to condemn them were they fall short i.e in the area of justice,love,mercy and faith and also encouraged them to tithe on by saying 'YES YOU SHOULD TITHE'
Goshen,you may not be an advocate of tithing but i tell us that Christ can say woe to Christians who failed to do the right thing !Christ was not happy that those(Pharisees,scribes and other teachers)who should know better but failed to and only thinking that becos they tithe then they are saints. HE called them Hypocrites for tithing which must be seen by all but Justice,mercy and faith in God which were 'more' weightier are been relegated !
God help us

Segeggs: China, japan, korea, india and a large amount of asians dont pay tithe cos they dont even believe in our God, yet they are blessed even far better than we religious nations cos that electronic gadget you are using to type your pro-tithe comment was made there.

As a tither, do you think your money is the reason why God is blessing you? Or dont you know that he allows rain to fall on the righteous and the unrighteous?

Pro-tithers, pls GOOGLE for "the tithe is illegal" by gary amirault. Read and realise the grave error you've been involved in.

Thank you.

You do not have to google anyman to know wether you are right by paying tithe ! The bible is the standard but if you fail to comprehend,then leave it that way ! I do not think that God will send anyone to hell for paying tithe and no one goes to heaven for paying of tithe.
Japans,korea,china,india and the rest you mentioned above,if they do not know Christ,what you think is success might not be after all ! Study ur bible friend that is if you are a christian ! A Christian is blessed and the manifestation of his blessings can also be seen or expressed via material wealth but material wealth is not a criterion for measuring the presence of God in one's life !
God help us all

cmega123: I have read what is written here but we need to
understand that the devil also tried to deceive the
Son of God with scriptures!! So the logos killeth,
Rhema is what we need in this dispensation of the
Holy Spirit... The ''Covenant'' not agreement of
tithing came in Gen. 28:22 where Israel said "and
this stone that I have set up as a pillar will be God's
house, and of all that you give me I will give you a
tenth" this is why God was not happy with the
house of Israel in Mal. 3:6,Tithing is not a law but a
Covenant jst the way God had a covenant of
blessing with Abraham. So does the covenant there
say crops? Or "all you give me" Is it not God that
gives us the power to produce all we have today
Deut. 8:18. The bible is very current and up to
date, we must not out date it because we now use
money...or would we say because Jesus did not use
a car then we won't?? Ask GOD about tithing and
you would hear from Him. Jesus did not condemn
tithing in anywhere in Scripture and because the
law has been abolished does not mean we continue
to sin or the covenant of blessings is
abandoned...we tithe now out of Love in obedience
to GOD not as an act of the law. we are all
offsprings of Abraham by the blood of Jesus, so he
cannot say the scripture only talks to Jews or
Israelites....The House of Israel is an example of
what GOD is doing with the body of Christ
today..the bible is not just a bundle of stories, it is a
deep message for the world today...seek GOD and
be careful who you listen to.

May the Almighty God,the creator of the heavens and earth the father of our lord Jesus Christ continue to keep you withing the hedge. May you not be a cast away when the trumpet shall sound. God bless ur family in Jesus name....
God help me

''This ought ye to have done and not left the other undone''
"What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law--justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.-Mathew 23:23
Even Jesus threw HIS weight on tithing and you guys are here falling for one the trick masterminded by the devil using one Femi aribisala to sell it to you ! I know some of us will say we are not the scribes,the pharisees,levites and the rest that should demand a tithe according to the law,but it is a law of God that was not changed or given clearer or further explanation.As a christian,we should not be told to pay our tithe becos we know we should for the propagation of the gospel.Other that tithe,some of us give maximum of 50 naira as offering in the house of God and when ever a call is made for contribution towards a project in the house of God keeps mute not wanting to sow,pledge or give towards the work of God.Come to think of it,how much do we give God as tithe every month ?
In Mathew 23:23 Jesus said to the scribes,the pharisees or the teachers of the law that they do not administer justice,they do not show mercy and also lack faith but focus solely on tithing.But He (Jesus) said yes they should pay their tithes but also attend to other above listed weightier things of life !-Mathew 23:23 If tithing is wrong,Christ would have condemned it.There are churches today that do not advertise paying of tithe but congregants who understand tithing do pay their tithes.My wife is a Roman Catholic and i am of the 'Pentecostal denomination' but she is more faithful in tithing than myself even though they never discuss tithing in her own church !She has been a faithful tither before i met her and eventually married her.That is the understanding we should have concerning tithing.We shouldn't be threatened with it but should not object to it when we are reminded to do so.Mr Aribisala Femi said that Jesus according to Mathew 23:23 is trying to teach the scribes,teachers that if they must obey tithing which is a law that they should obey it to the end by obeying the laws of showing mercy,justice and faith-That is wrong interpretation of that text.At least from the point where Jesus said ''you should tithe YES'' [/b]explains it all. Aribisala Femi said pastors are mistaking store house in Malachi to be the house of God instead of just a store ! And i ask a question, a store where ? On the streets of Jerusalem,Saudi Arabia or the peoples house or in their hearts or where ? Please let's see the text below:
''Bring ye all the tithes into [b]the store-house, that there may be food in my house, and prove me now with this, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it''-Malachi 3:10
From the above,we see store-house and we see my house. It is obvious that this store-house must be in the house of God. The question i have to ask Aribisala is where is the house of God ?
For the sake of time,space and readability of this write up,i do not have to start defending pastors and tithe becos i am not a pastor and the tithe money isn't mine,i seize to explain further errors associated with aribisala's write up. Pay ur tithe if you understand that you are giving to God and not man !But if you think you are giving to ur pastor,u can seize with the payments of tithe. Tomorow,some others will come to tell us that we are not suppose to give offerings,pledge in the house of God or even sow seed.All these are the plans of the subtle master deceiver the devil ! God help us

ninja4life: lmao so their is no violence in christianity even israel is involve in unending wars with their neighbours so which christianity are u talking about

Are the Israeli nation Christian ? There may be Christians in Israel but that does not make it a Christian state ! Anyway that isn't the issue here. We are talking about the barbaric position of our people.
God help us

ooman: Duh, it doesnt bother me that U believe in god, the cumulative effect that your dumb believe has, which is poverty in Africa is what bothers me. It is believe in god that makes people lazy and think that some sort of miracle will happen. : D



That there is a reward waiting for you after death is a bed time story. They are keen on converting me so that they could make names for themselves on nairaland.



I catch fun doing that, its what i do in my freetime and i do it because it means freedom, peace and unity to the whole of human race.

god is the villain that causes wars and this is why i fight the idea of the existence of god. i hope i answer you now

God,help this lost soul ! It will most definitely be difficult but with you ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE !
God help him even in his unbelief !

Movingcoil: No single condemnation of which lies against islam? Who made this case? A christian or a muslim? Since itz a muslim whose only sole objective is to salvage the nefarious remains of islam by all means, how do u expect the judgement of a christian when u dug out ur claims all by urself, twisted it all by urself and presented it all by ur islam mindset and even went so far to say that the so called woman is a christian just to score points, ie wat I call pathetic allutrupuration of the mind. I never knew the boston bombers were muslim, never wanted to get interested in that news till now cos i knew who those kind of activities are synonymous 2 but alas my suspicion wasn't wrong after'all

Muslims struggle to protect islam- Why ?
God help us

ooman: why dont you just shut up sir and tell me how 1+1=1 am done with my posts.

Oooman good morning ! We slept two nights already but you are still here trying to prove that God does not exist !
May the Almighty God whom you disbelief in make you believe even if it's in the hard way so ur soul does not burn in hell. I love you and care about ur soul.
May God help u oooman and help me also !
God bless us including all the atheists !
God help me