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livebullet: THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST FASTING....EHEHEHEHE......A BRAND NEW STYLE OF XTAINITY. I KNW A POPULAR 9JA PASTOR WHO SAYS HIS MEMBERS SHOULDNT FAST....NA WA OOOOOOO

When we fast is it for God or for man ? Why do we fast ? Christ fasted,why ?
God help us

livebullet: now ur begining to progress from fanatical statements to more rational thinking. now, i obey the teaching authority of the church cos the Church has @ her head Jesus the ultimate founder. And as for the Good Friday chrisstain fast, it doesnt contradict scriptures rather it magnifies scriptures..." it reminds us that man should not leave by food(bread) alone" but should be more concernd bout God's word. Good friday fast of abstaining from meat and other pleasures of the flesh speaks to that effect. thank you

One man said 'if you have not been labelled a christian fanatic as a christian,then you have not started'
Let every man do as he understands !
God help me

livebullet: And moreover like the Jehovah witnesses will say, the bible did not ask us to celebrate easter and xmas so y do we do them? My brother i tell u again,its not until t[b]he bible explicitly say "Do" that the "doing" becomes justified.[/b] otherwise a lot of christain practice today will b questionable....

whether explicitly or implicitly,i tell you what ever the 'church' says i should do that contradicts the word of God must be shunned ! I'm not saying there is a contradiction in the subject matter as it stands !
God help me

livebullet: the church also compiled in the council of trent....Please go back to history google or read books

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The big question is which church wrote and which church compiled

Reference: My friend read your bible again. Jesus said if you don't eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you. He said do it oft. He said my flesh is meat indeed and my blood is drink indeed.

Though the real meaning, the koko of the word is different but show me where he said we should not eat meat. If we are to eat his flesh in 'remembrance' of him, what is good friday/easter, not remembrance day?

This one na another side of the story. Anyway,let us allow everyman to his own understanding so long as them never abuse God
I need the help of the holy spirit to activate the grace of God upon my life !
God help me

livebullet: where in that verse contradictsthe christain good friday fast?
I guess when ur Pastor prescribes a pattern of fast for u. U can also quote this verse for him...

From the little knowledge of the scripture i have by HIS grace,if you are under any authority,you must be submissive to it ! The only time you have to object is when what you are been asked to do or say contradicts the holy bible !
Concerning fasting,it is not wrong to fast any time anyday but pls do not say it's a must i fast.For if i fast,i fast for myself! Jesus finished HIS fasting and was led into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil and after that HE went on with HIS ministry and started to pick HIS disciples.He died after three and half years.
If you are under an authority(church),pls obey that authority but wen it contradicts the instruction of God as stipulated in the holy book,pls ignore it and run away from it.Do not let anyone deceive you that it is the tradition of the early church fathers or what have you.There are tradition of God and there are traditions of men.That of God supersedes !
God help me,i need your spirit to overtake me completely
God help me

livebullet: God inspired, the church wrote!....but abeg show me where sunday worship instead of sabbath dey for bible....U worship on sunday because ur under the authority of The church!

the church fixed sunday worship as against jewish sabbath which the earliest apostles observed in d bible.....so like it or not, ur not completely free from the Teachin authority of the church...ahahahahahahah

God inspired,the church wrote.Who compiled ?
See below what apostle Paul said to the Colossians :
Colossians 2:16-17
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
See below scriptures regarding another day the early Christians met :
On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.
I can start going to church on Wednesday and there will be nothing wrong with it !
God help me. I need the holly spirit.

[quote author=Richy.]It's not really bad to be a vegetarian for a day ie if one can stay away from meat. but my favorite quote in the bible that permit me to eat whatever i like is "Peter Arise Kill and Eat........." Acts 10:13 [/quote]I love this scripture also:
They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.-1 Timothy 4:3
But in all,if we do for the sake of Christ,then it is allowed but we can't kill people and say we kill for Christ.
God help me with the holy spirit.I want to be totally be controlled by ur spirit lord !
God help me

austengold:
Please feel free to eat fish Bro, no harm at all. Not eating meat is just a tradition for some people.

Thank you !
God help me in this race !

livebullet: abeg bros i for still like make u show me where e dey for that bible say make we worship God on sunday(1st day of the wk) instead of sabbath which is saturday. I mean every thing doesnt hav to be in d bible befor the Church have the authority to institute it either as a tradition or doctrine of faith. Do you even know the church compiled the New testament? dat is to say, the church is older tha the new testament....Use ur google and browse "the council of Trent and the canonization of the scriptures".

The 'church' compiling the bible does not mean the church wrote the bible ! Which church (group of believers)in the first place ? God I need the maximum indwelling of the holy spirit as i pray for the fruit of the spirit !
God help me

ItsModella: @Topic,
The reason is to commemorate Jesus' final and ultimate sacrifice on Calvary on the first Good Friday, by giving up some worldly pleasures on that day. Most people prefer meat, which is why it is a sacrifice. We not only abstain from flesh, we fast as well.[/color][/font]

How about if what i love or derive pleasure in is fish,can i also not eat fish,assuming am not fasting ?
God i need the fullness of the holy spirit in my life. I need the fruits of the spirit.
God help me

Boboedom: please let us be careful in saying it is not in my bible. The bible is the Word of God and not God. Before we start idolising the bible. God still speak to people of today and His words are ever so in tune but we need the Holy Spirit to give us understanding.

Lord,i need the holly spirit !
I need the fruit of the spirit !
God help me

AbdH: Sura 4:101: And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you for shortening the prayer, [especially] if you fear that those who disbelieve may disrupt [or attack] you. Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy. (Self explanatory)
For Surah 9:5, The Muslims were in no position to negotiate. The pagans were giving them the option of either leaving Islam or face death. The Muslims chose to fight them...that isn't so bad, is it? I don't think it is written anywhere that you can't fight for your life. More so during war time, you don't expect Allah to tell the Muslims to wait until they got massacred by their enemies hence, the verses you quoted above were revealed.
Sura 9:39 You don't think it is in the interest of a people when some run from the battle ground while others fight for the survival of the same people. Allah doesn't like cowardice and so He encouraged Muslims to fight or be killed through other means. BOTTOMLINE: Death is inevitable, run from war or go to war, you will die....probably before those who go to war.

Sura 9:81 ...is true..
Sura 22:78 ...Yes and there was a reward for that. They were at war!!!
Sura 48:29 ..were the unbelievers nice to them?
Sura 6:152 ...wrong quotation...
Sura 61:3 ...of course, who wouldn't love those who fight in his or her cause.
Sura 5:34 ...has nothing to do with renouncing Islam...

Perfect your questions so that they can be addressed better. All the misquotations were discouraging.

PS: God commanded the Israelites to fight also, I can remember reading where David decapitated Goliath but we hear nothing about all that.

From your quotes above and mine below extracted from the quran,we can see vividly that Boko Hara are Muslims who follow the teachings of the quran to the last details !
God commanding the Israelites to fight in the old testament and me bein a christian does not follow !If you say it does follow,show me where God or HIS son Jesus whom I follow as a christian instructed me to kill ?Remember am i Christian and not an Isreali !
'Boko Harams'are Muslims who follow the teachings and commandments as enshrined in the quran.If you oppose Boko Haram it means you are not a Muslim !
My point is if ur above and my below are the commandments and instructions of allah,why say Boko hara are not Muslims ?
[b]Sura 4:101-''Regarding infidels,they are the Muslim's inveterate enemies''
Sura 9:5-''Muslims are to arrest them,besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere for them.Seieze them(unbelievers)and put them to death wherever you find them,kill them wherever you find them.
Sura 4:90-''Seek out the enemies of Islam relentlesly
Sura 2:193-''Fight them until Islam reign supreme
Sura 2:193-''Cut off their heads and cut off the tips of their fingers Sura 8:12
Sura 9:39-''If a muslim does not go to war Allah will kill him
Sura 9:81-'' the heat of war is fierce but more fierce is the heat of hell
Sura 22:78-''Fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him
Sura 9:123-''Make war with the unbelievers who live around you
Sura 48:29-''Be ruthless to unbelievers
Sura 8:69-''Enjoy the good things you have gained through fighting
Sura 6:152 Kill any person you wish if it be a just cause
Sura 61:3 Allah love those who fight for his cause
Sura 5:34 any one who fights against Allah or renounces islam in favor of another religion shall be put to death or crucified or have his hand and feet cut off alternative sides Sura-5:34
Sahih Al-Bukhari-''Whoever changes his islamic religion,kill him.
Quran 9:5 Slay the idolaters wherever you find them,and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.
Quran 69:30-37-''Take him and fetter and expose him to hell fire
Quran 8:12-'' I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers,smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them
Quran 5:33-'' They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides
Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol 4 P55- Know that paradise is under the shades of swords ![/b]
May God help us all to see the light some day!

Idrisabiodun: Before u say anyting. Try to understand $ have knowledge of ISLAM. Don't just talk. ISLAM is a religion of Peace $ Unity.

Please some one (a muslim)should explain the below to me. I want to also join you guys to tell people how peaceful islam is as a religion !
[b]Sura 4:101-''Regarding infidels,they are the Muslim's inveterate enemies''
Sura 9:5-''Muslims are to arrest them,besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere for them.Seieze them(unbelievers)and put them to death wherever you find them,kill them wherever you find them.
Sura 4:90-''Seek out the enemies of Islam relentlesly
Sura 2:193-''Fight them until Islam reign supreme
Sura 2:193-''Cut off their heads and cut off the tips of their fingers Sura 8:12
Sura 9:39-''If a muslim does not go to war Allah will kill him
Sura 9:81-'' the heat of war is fierce but more fierce is the heat of hell
Sura 22:78-''Fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him
Sura 9:123-''Make war with the unbelievers who live around you
Sura 48:29-''Be ruthless to unbelievers
Sura 8:69-''Enjoy the good things you have gained through fighting
Sura 6:152 Kill any person you wish if it be a just cause
Sura 61:3 Allah love those who fight for his cause
Sura 5:34 any one who fights against Allah or renounces islam in favor of another religion shall be put to death or crucified or have his hand and feet cut off alternative sides Sura-5:34
Sahih Al-Bukhari-''Whoever changes his islamic religion,kill him.
Quran 9:5 Slay the idolaters wherever you find them,and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.
Quran 69:30-37-''Take him and fetter and expose him to hell fire
Quran 8:12-'' I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers,smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them
Quran 5:33-'' They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides
Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol 4 P55- Know that paradise is under the shades of swords ![/b]
God help us

wasolad01: if that is your mindset, no problems. but i would like to hear from you about what some one said that all christians are homosexuals. But please go and read about Judaism, Christianity and Islam very well. Regards.

If you want to know about a religion go study the life and styles of the originators !
If Christ was a homosexual then i won't pick offence as a christian if i'm called a homosexual today !
God help us

wasolad01: Anybody can open any scripture and extract some sentences to portray negative things about any religion. It's like a constitution of a nation. But my understanding is that no sane person will talk bad or act foolishly towards others regardless of their religions.
Stop using your computer to cause problems in the society While BH are busy using their guns and bombs to do the same. May God forgive you.

When the root cause of a problem is known,solution wouldn't be far fetched !
God help us all

tbaba1234: if someone is trying to hurt me or my family.I would do what it takes to protect my family.

And i also know that if some one is trying to hurt ur beleive or speak lowly of ur prophet mohamed you will do everything or anything to protect it and him.That is exactly what Boko Haram is doing ! Please don't condemn them they are Muslims.
God help us

AbdH: Like the growth of every other empire, they were bound to either expand their empire or be subdued by another empire or enemies. The Roman empire did it, so did the Germans, Persians, Ethiopians; even the Oyo empire did it. Were they inspired by their religions which was not Islam? NO!
Islam was spread by adequate teachings of the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Where there were forces willing to kill Muslims for what they believed in, Muslims would defend themselves or risk extermination. I like to put it this way: Muslims extended peace but their enemies extended violence thereby giving the Muslims no choice other than to fight for their lives.
The fights in Syria is to oust a leader who has no feelings towards his people, a tyrant whose people have tolerated enough. They are not cowards who celebrate mediocrity like we do here and that is why they revolted (albeit I don't support revolution).
Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and the like are being forced to be ruled by leaders and a system that they are opposed to by foreigners (USA). They say they don't want to be slaves on their own land again and that the USA should leave them to run their affairs but you call them terrorists just because they oppose tyranny. The fights all these countries are fighting can be likened to the fights the Zulus fought against British rule over them.

I know one thing for sure ; Any Christian who kill,fight,kill in the name of self defense or for any imaginable or unimaginable reason,lack knowledge of the doctrines of Jesus.The Jesus whom the Christians follow said that they should love their enemies,pray for those who despitefully use them,bless those who curse them,do good to those who wrong them and also turn the other side of their cheek for a second slap para venture they are been slapped by anyone(keep ur cool wen you are been offended) ! So if you claim you follow Christ,then any contradictory acts to these points here,then it simply means you are not a christian or u lack understanding of the teachings of Christ-which is very very clear that needs no interpretation.
The Roman empire,Germans, Persians, Ethiopians; even the Oyo empire if they all killed to gain dominance or retain power,should not be likened to religion except if that religion they practice approves of it.
If Boko Haram today continue with all these acts of theirs and claim that they are doing it for allah,why blame them when it is clearly written and there instructions given to them according to the dictates of their book-quran?
See their motivation below
[b]Sura 4:101-''Regarding infidels,they are the Muslim's inveterate enemies''
Sura 9:5-''Muslims are to arrest them,besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere for them.Seieze them(unbelievers)and put them to death wherever you find them,kill them wherever you find them.
Sura 4:90-''Seek out the enemies of Islam relentlesly
Sura 2:193-''Fight them until Islam reign supreme
Sura 2:193-''Cut off their heads and cut off the tips of their fingers Sura 8:12
Sura 9:39-''If a muslim does not go to war Allah will kill him
Sura 9:81-'' the heat of war is fierce but more fierce is the heat of hell
Sura 22:78-''Fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him
Sura 9:123-''Make war with the unbelievers who live around you
Sura 48:29-''Be ruthless to unbelievers
Sura 8:69-''Enjoy the good things you have gained through fighting
Sura 6:152 Kill any person you wish if it be a just cause
Sura 61:3 Allah love those who fight for his cause
Sura 5:34 any one who fights against Allah or renounces islam in favor of another religion shall be put to death or crucified or have his hand and feet cut off alternative sides Sura-5:34
Sahih Al-Bukhari-''Whoever changes his islamic religion,kill him.
Quran 9:5 Slay the idolaters wherever you find them,and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.
Quran 69:30-37-''Take him and fetter and expose him to hell fire
Quran 8:12-'' I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers,smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them
Quran 5:33-'' They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides
Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol 4 P55- Know that paradise is under the shades of swords ![/b]

akthedream: The same way theHENRY OKAH(the first convicted Nigerian terrorist),Gay Bishops,Rev. King and the jet flying Pastors to mention a few understand christainity more than anyone else?And sure your Jesus will be very proud of them.

Yes,all the people you mentioned above are christians ! And what is wrong if i fly Jet as a Christian ? I bet you,if i have a good relationship with Jesus and fly my Jet around town for the sake of the gospel,Jesus will be very very proud of me.
I think what you guys should do for Boko Haram and the other muslim terrorist groups all over the world is just to give them proper explanation or interpretation of the below:
[b]Sura 4:101-''Regarding infidels,they are the Muslim's inveterate enemies''
Sura 9:5-''Muslims are to arrest them,besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere for them.Seieze them(unbelievers)and put them to death wherever you find them,kill them wherever you find them.
Sura 4:90-''Seek out the enemies of Islam relentlesly
Sura 2:193-''Fight them until Islam reign supreme
Sura 2:193-''Cut off their heads and cut off the tips of their fingers Sura 8:12
Sura 9:39-''If a muslim does not go to war Allah will kill him
Sura 9:81-'' the heat of war is fierce but more fierce is the heat of hell
Sura 22:78-''Fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him
Sura 9:123-''Make war with the unbelievers who live around you
Sura 48:29-''Be ruthless to unbelievers
Sura 8:69-''Enjoy the good things you have gained through fighting
Sura 6:152 Kill any person you wish if it be a just cause
Sura 61:3 Allah love those who fight for his cause
Sura 5:34 any one who fights against Allah or renounces islam in favor of another religion shall be put to death or crucified or have his hand and feet cut off alternative sides Sura-5:34
Sahih Al-Bukhari-''Whoever changes his islamic religion,kill him.
Quran 9:5 Slay the idolaters wherever you find them,and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.
Quran 69:30-37-''Take him and fetter and expose him to hell fire
Quran 8:12-'' I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers,smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them
Quran 5:33-'' They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides
Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol 4 P55- Know that paradise is under the shades of swords ![/b]
God help us all

Ahmadda: Let the boko haram come to the public with their evidences from the qur'an that the evils they've perpetrated is justified...I bet u that they won't because islam doesn't preach violence.

See below what the Boko Hrams were told :
Sura 4:101-''Regarding infidels,they are the Muslim's inveterate enemies''
Sura 9:5-''Muslims are to arrest them,besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere for them.Seieze them(unbelievers)and put them to death wherever you find them,kill them wherever you find them.
Sura 4:90-''Seek out the enemies of Islam relentlesly
Sura 2:193-''Fight them until Islam reign supreme
Sura 2:193-''Cut off their heads and cut off the tips of their fingers Sura 8:12
Sura 9:39-''If a muslim does not go to war Allah will kill him
Sura 9:81-'' the heat of war is fierce but more fierce is the heat of hell
Sura 22:78-''Fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him
Sura 9:123-''Make war with the unbelievers who live around you
Sura 48:29-''Be ruthless to unbelievers
Sura 8:69-''Enjoy the good things you have gained through fighting
Sura 6:152 Kill any person you wish if it be a just cause
Sura 61:3 Allah love those who fight for his cause
Sura 5:34 any one who fights against Allah or renounces islam in favor of another religion shall be put to death or crucified or have his hand and feet cut off alternative sides Sura-5:34
Sahih Al-Bukhari-''Whoever changes his islamic religion,kill him.
Quran 9:5 Slay the idolaters wherever you find them,and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.
Quran 69:30-37-''Take him and fetter and expose him to hell fire
Quran 8:12-'' I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers,smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them
Quran 5:33-'' They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides
Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol 4 P55- Know that paradise is under the shades of swords !
May some one needs to tell them that the above isn't in the quran or not as it is written !
God help us

AbdH: Don't kill. You can always look at the assailant in admiration until he kills you.
Jokes apart, if you cherish your life, you should do anything to stay alive even if you have to kill someone who wants to kill you.
That is 'self defence'.

What will i gain to see others in hell while i make heaven by the grace of God ? It is becos i will not like to see people in hell while i'm in heaven that is why i preach the good news !
I pray God to help us know the truth,see the light and accept it.
God help us all

tbaba1234: There are punishments for crimes like murder in the sharia that carry the death penalty... That is a just cause... This can only be carried out by the state. It says taking a life is a crime as great as killing the whole of humanity.

An individual muslim does not have the right to retaliate or attack a person. He only has the right to self defence. This is clear from the sharia. Those powers only belong to the state.

People can express their displeasure without destroying things, that goes against the sharia. A person has to be convicted of a crime first.

Can i kill trying to self defend ?
God help us

tbaba1234: There are punishments for crimes like murder in the sharia that carry the death penalty... That is a just cause... This can only be carried out by the state. It says taking a life is a crime as great as killing the whole of humanity.

Please reconcile the above with the below for me !
Sura 4:101-''Regarding infidels,they are the Muslim's inveterate enemies''
Sura 9:5-''Muslims are to arrest them,besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere for them.Seieze them(unbelievers)and put them to death wherever you find them,kill them wherever you find them.
Sura 4:90-''Seek out the enemies of Islam relentlesly
Sura 2:193-''Fight them until Islam reign supreme
Sura 2:193-''Cut off their heads and cut off the tips of their fingers Sura 8:12
Sura 9:39-''If a muslim does not go to war Allah will kill him
Sura 9:81-'' the heat of war is fierce but more fierce is the heat of hell
Sura 22:78-''Fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him
Sura 9:123-''Make war with the unbelievers who live around you
Sura 48:29-''Be ruthless to unbelievers
Sura 8:69-''Enjoy the good things you have gained through fighting
Sura 6:152 Kill any person you wish if it be a just cause
Sura 61:3 Allah love those who fight for his cause
Sura 5:34 any one who fights against Allah or renounces islam in favor of another religion shall be put to death or crucified or have his hand and feet cut off alternative sides Sura-5:34
Sahih Al-Bukhari-''Whoever changes his islamic religion,kill him.
Quran 9:5 Slay the idolaters wherever you find them,and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.
Quran 69:30-37-''Take him and fetter and expose him to hell fire
Quran 8:12-'' I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers,smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them
Quran 5:33-'' They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides
Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol 4 P55- Know that paradise is under the shades of swords !
God help us all

tbaba1234: There are punishments for crimes like murder in the sharia that carry the death penalty... That is a just cause... This can only be carried out by the state. It says taking a life is a crime as great as killing the whole of humanity.

An individual muslim does not have the right to retaliate or attack a person. He only has the right to self defence. This is clear from the sharia. Those powers only belong to the state.

People can express their displeasure without destroying things, that goes against the sharia. A person has to be convicted of a crime first.

Can i kill trying to self defend my self ?
God help us

njokusboy: Besides wat u just stated above, look at dis part critically,

"Nor take
life -- which Allaah has made sacred
-- except for just cause. And if
anyone is slain wrongfully, we have
given his heir authority (to demand
retaliation or to forgive): but let
him not exceed bounds in the
matter of taking life, for he is
helped (by the Law)." [Quran 17:33]

U see, d quran stated dat life should not be taken "except for just cause". Wat then is ur definition of "just cause", since, d quran did not actually specify, "just cause" could be seen and has been seen as getting rid of unbelievers (christian), therein is where the misconception lies. D tin is this, d quran did not categorically say that taking life was bad, that is where the problem started, the quran merely gave room for excuses, that is why someone did a cartoon mocking the prophet Mohammed somewhere in Germany nd violence ensued nd Nigerians wanted to start theirs, dat misconception dat slandering the prophet (which is wrong by the way), is cause enough to slaugter the perpetrators ( nd their likes, because nothing concern us nah). Am not suggesting anytin, its just how I see it.

May God help us all !
If i go to heaven and find Muslims(who do not believe that Jesus is the son of God) there,i will give thanks to God but i will ask our lord Jesus some questions which i am very sure that HE will answer be the Grace of God !

shymexx: I reiterate: go read Galatians 4 to know if Abraham, Hagar, Hannah, Ishmael, and Isaac walked this planet or not.. Apostle Paul already answered your question there when he was speaking to the Galatians...

Mr Shymexx,what do you know concerning Galatians 4 ? Let's have it on here before we start to dissect that one !
Let us see this Gal 4 from verse 22
''For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, one by the handmaid, and one by the freewoman.Howbeit the son by the handmaid is born after the flesh; but the son by the freewoman is born through promise.[/b]Which things contain an [b]allegory: for these women are two covenants; one from mount Sinai, bearing children unto bondage, which is Hagar.Now this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia and answereth to the Jerusalem that now is: for she is in bondage with her children.But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is our mother.For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; Break forth and cry, thou that travailest not:For more are the children of the desolate than of her that hath the husband.
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, so also it is now.Howbeit what saith the scripture? Cast out the handmaid and her son: for the son of the handmaid shall not inherit with the son of the freewoman. Wherefore, brethren, we are not children of a handmaid,but of the freewoman.
Which things contain an allegory !
What is an allegory ? An allegory is a story,poem or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning typically a moral or political one !
What i want us to pick out from the meaning of allegory is'that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning'
From the scripture above,let us lift up what Apostle paul means when he said the (TRUE) Abrahamic story regarding Sarah,Hagar,Isaac and Ishmael which things contain an allegory ! He tried to bring out the Allegory(hidden meaning) in the story.
Now the hidden truth (allegory)
1.Now these women (Sarah & Hagar) are two covenants. Hidden truth no.1
2.One from mount sinai,Hager bearing children unto bondage. Hidden truth no. 2
3.The Jerusalem that is above (sarah) is free bearing free children. Hidden truth no.3
4.One under the law(Hagar)the other free (Sarah. Hidden truth no.4
Paul said to the Galatians that Isaac was he who is free and who is of the promise and SO ARE THE GALATIANS ! You see the real truth that was hidden that he called allegory which he explained to them ! He said as the bond persecuted the free Sarah's child Isaac so are the Galatians now ! What an allegory ! He told them(Galatians) that they are not children of the handmaid but the FREEWOMAN !
Just for clarity to avoid misinterpretation and misunderstanding !
Anyways,go ahead with ur discussion,i'm enjoying it cos i'm learning

iwanchop: Your comment shows you have no knowledge of the holy quran. Let me tell you what you don't want to hear-Boko Haram guys are not muslims and I will provide proofs
Note that anyone who goes against the teachings of the quran is not a Muslim
1.Boko Haram says GEJ must become a Muslim but the Quran says

“Let there be no
compulsion in religion" (Qur'an 2:256)
“Say, ‘The truth is from Your Lord.’ Let
him who will, believe, and let him who
will, reject it” (Qur'an 18:29).
2.Boko Haram kills innocent citizens but the Quran says
"whoever slays a soul, unless it be
for manslaughter or for mischief in
the land, it is as though he slew all
men; and whoever keeps it alive, it
is as though he kept alive all
men" (al-Maeda/The Food, 32)

"Nor take
life -- which Allaah has made sacred
-- except for just cause. And if
anyone is slain wrongfully, we have
given his heir authority (to demand
retaliation or to forgive): but let
him not exceed bounds in the
matter of taking life, for he is
helped (by the Law)." [Quran 17:33]

The Islamic scholars with good intentions did not do justice to the below in the quran so the others(Boko & the rest) took advantage of it !
[b]Sura 4:101-''Regarding infidels,they are the Muslim's inveterate enemies''
Sura 9:5-''Muslims are to arrest them,besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere for them.Seieze them(unbelievers)and put them to death wherever you find them,kill them wherever you find them.
Sura 4:90-''Seek out the enemies of Islam relentlesly
Sura 2:193-''Fight them until Islam reign supreme
Sura 2:193-''Cut off their heads and cut off the tips of their fingers Sura 8:12
Sura 9:39-''If a muslim does not go to war Allah will kill him
Sura 9:81-'' the heat of war is fierce but more fierce is the heat of hell
Sura 22:78-''Fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him
Sura 9:123-''Make war with the unbelievers who live around you
Sura 48:29-''Be ruthless to unbelievers
Sura 8:69-''Enjoy the good things you have gained through fighting
Sura 6:152 Kill any person you wish if it be a just cause
Sura 61:3 Allah love those who fight for his cause
Sura 5:34 any one who fights against Allah or renounces islam in favor of another religion shall be put to death or crucified or have his hand and feet cut off alternative sides Sura-5:34
Sahih Al-Bukhari-''Whoever changes his islamic religion,kill him.
Quran 9:5 Slay the idolaters wherever you find them,and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.
Quran 69:30-37-''Take him and fetter and expose him to hell fire
Quran 8:12-'' I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers,smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them
Quran 5:33-'' They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides
Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol 4 P55- Know that paradise is under the shades of swords ![/b]

The above is what Shekau and the others sell to their members !

shymexx: Islam started before Muhammed, just as what we now call C[b]hristianity started before Jesus Christ[/b].... Those two prophets were just "legends" who popularised them...

The term Christianity came during and after Jesus'time !
The teachings of Jesus and his life style were not known to men before his coming except the prophesies that went forth before HIS arrival on earth. No wonder the Jews and strict followers and teachers of the laws of Moses thot he was speaking heresy and blaspheming God !
Abraham was not a muslim neither was he a christian !
God help us

The Islamic scholars with good intentions did not do justice to the below in the quran so the others(Boko & the rest) took advantage of it !
Sura 4:101-''Regarding infidels,they are the Muslim's inveterate enemies''
Sura 9:5-''Muslims are to arrest them,besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere for them.Seieze them(unbelievers)and put them to death wherever you find them,kill them wherever you find them.
Sura 4:90-''Seek out the enemies of Islam relentlesly
Sura 2:193-''Fight them until Islam reign supreme
Sura 2:193-''Cut off their heads and cut off the tips of their fingers Sura 8:12
Sura 9:39-''If a muslim does not go to war Allah will kill him
Sura 9:81-'' the heat of war is fierce but more fierce is the heat of hell
Sura 22:78-''Fight for the cause of allah with the devotion due to him
Sura 9:123-''Make war with the unbelievers who live around you
Sura 48:29-''Be ruthless to unbelievers
Sura 8:69-''Enjoy the good things you have gained through fighting
Sura 6:152 Kill any person you wish if it be a just cause
Sura 61:3 allah love those who fight for his cause
Sura 5:34 any one who fights against allah or renounces islam in favor of another religion shall be put to death or crucified or have his hand and feet cut off alternative sides Sura-5:34
Sahih Al-Bukhari-''Whoever changes his islamic religion,kill him.
Quran 9:5 Slay the idolaters wherever you find them,and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.
Quran 69:30-37-''Take him and fetter and expose him to hell fire
Quran 8:12-'' I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers,smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them
Quran 5:33-'' They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides
Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol 4 P55- Know that paradise is under the shades of swords !

The above is what Shekau and the others sell to their members !

There is no body there with OBJ ! He is busy trying to connect to someone via phone. But e still dey possible say no be Photoshop!

tiwasiaife: Mr man ur becoming too irritatn. God owns the heaven he decides whom he addmits into it he may addmit a muslim,a pagan and a christian. 4 clearity sake read abt the parable of a farmer who hired labourers into his farm at diff hours and c wat he told the 1st labourer after he tried to revolt of been the 1st he recruited. Be wise least u miss heaven.

I thank God for the mercy of Jesus Christ and HIS grace upon our lives ! If in the long run it turns out that there are other ways to go to the father having seen Jesus,then i will say Jesus lied to us !Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.-John 14:16 God can not lie.Let's live the sayings of men and follow the word of God. Heaven is for me by inheritance.Jesus as the first born of God and i also a child of God,the father can not lie !
I have friends,boss' and colleagues who are muslims but i tell them the content of my bible when the need arises. We do not war becos i tel them that our God(son)said that NO ONE can go to the father except by HIM! We do not have to fight over it.I attend occasions with them and they also love me as a good friend.I pray for them every now and then and try to preach Jesus subtly!
If i get to heaven and find my muslim brothers,pagans, Hindu,shinto,budha and oprah followers in heaven,i will not complain,infact i will be happy and will also ask Jesus my lord what HE meant by no one goes to the father except by HIM !
God help us

Wsdm: And how about Adam that was not born of a woman and a man?

What about adam that was not born of a woman ? Jesus with his father made adam-Collosians 1:15-17''The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.''
Who could have given birth to Adam ? There was no woman anywhere as at then !Besides,God wanted HIS son to be 100 percent man and 100 percent spirit !
God help us all