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frosbel: So expensive perfume that can entice a man or woman is not bad but Jewellery is ?

Fanatics !

Frosbel,you swore to expose even the LIGHT !
Please see below the words of Apostle Paul:
''but I discipline my body and put it under control, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.'' 1 Corinthians 9:27

God help us

Pls remove (s)from the couple for me !

God help us

texaco1: why is everyone taking this matter so serious ?the couple did nothing wrong . i guess they are just been haunted by their own people .

This is what the couples did wrong :
Romans 13:1-8
Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing.Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.

Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.

The only time we are not to be subject to authorities is when their laws contradicts the word of God like the case of the three Hebrew Children,Shedrack,Meshack and Abednego who refuSed to bow down to the Babylonia gods !
The big question now should be wether the traditions or doctrines contradicts the word of God? In my opinion it's No since we were not told that to dress moderately is sinful !
God help us

Good morning Jesus is Lord and Shdemidemi ! How was ur night ? Trust God took charge !
For the last question from Shdemidemi,all has the sin nature and there is nothing anyone can do about it. We are seen as siners becos of the ultimate potential been made possible for us becos of the fall of the first man ! Even all the good people in the world have this nature !

God help us

JesusisLord85: Ok, let me explain why Christ came.
Romans 7:1-6
Know ye not, brethren, ([b]for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.[/b]"

Let us first look at the quote above. Now did i say there is no Law in it's entirety ? NO ! Law there is that exists ? The grace Law ! Who helps one to exhibit these fruits ? The holy spirit ! Why is it possible for Christians to keep these Laws? Becos of the convicting and convincing of the holy spirit ! Will i be judged if i dnt keep these laws ? NO ! I will be shown mercy when i ask for forgiveness ! Am i expected to keep these 'laws'on my own ? No,the holy spirit will help me. But if i dnt have the holy spirit can i keep these 'laws'? That means that i am not a 'child'(son)of God.Do i need to be concerned for not keeping the laws ? No ! all i need is just to ask the holy spirit to help me. I can not do it on my own. ''Christianity is not our responsibility,but our response to HIS(JESUS) ability''
Now what is this law that i have been referring to ?- They are the fruit of the spirit !
See below the fruit of the spirit which is the LAW of the new covenant-Grace Law !
''But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.-Galatians 5:22-23
Now talking about the scripture you quoted,Romans 7:1-6,if i have love,will i put away my wife and marry another for any reason ?The Holy spirit will help us to tolerate the offenses of our partners and only correct them with love ! Apostle paul made it clear that without things like the ones mentioned above,there is no Law !
Let us not argue but just discuss to learn.But i can perceive in my heart that i have sent the message across.That message is Jesus.The grace and not the 'LAW' !
God help us

The word of God is one from the old to the new. God can not contradict HIMSELF ! Interpretation sure contradicts ! If we follow the scripture Spiritually,we will all see the nsync nature of it !

God help us all

JesusisLord85: The key word thereis rely. They were depending on keeping the law for salvation (salvation is the context). Abraham went to heaven, not because he kept the law perfectly, but he believed God and it was counted unto him as righteousness. Those who passed before Christ came did not keep the law perfectly. But they onserved it none the less. They were blessed when they kept it, and cursed when they broke it. Christ came to be the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. That dos not mean you should not keep the law. Every time you sin, you transgress it. You only need to look at the prophets and Revelation to see how those who kept Gods comamndments are they which enter the Kingdom...but now you will tell me God meant different laws.

I'm not saying that the old testament laws weren't God's laws.
An d i'm not saying that people who lived by it then never went to heaven.
But all i am saying is that the bible made us to understand that they were unable to keep the Laws hence the comming of Christ to complete that very dispensation ! We are presently operating under the freedom LAW ! Are now to say becos it is the freedom law that Christians are to be Lawless ? NO ! ARE WE NOW SAYING THAT BECOS IT IS THE GRACE Law Christians are to continue in sin ?God fobid ! Are we now saying that becos It is the Law that grant's mercy that we will no longer exhibit the fruit of the spirit ? NO ! All the new covenant is saying is that,you all homoxesuals come unto Jesus you are no longer condemned ! You all thieves come unto Jesus you are no longer condemned ! You all extortioners come unto Jesus you are no longer rejected ! All you murderers,drunks,prostitutes,revilers,slanderers,greed and adulterers and fornicators Jesus loves you !- Now the big questions is ' M.K.O, are saying that all this people will make it into heaven? What i am sayinf is that they will not be like this in heaven ! All i am saying is that Christ will wash away all their sins and remember them no more. All i am saying is that Jesus loves them and came to die Just becos of them. All i am saying is that when they come to Christ they will be made clean.All i am saying is that they have the fruit of the holy spirit in them that is kinetic until they come to Jesus. Remember the story with the adulterous woman ? You remember the meeting of Zacheus,the extortioner with Jesus ? Did Zacheus remain the way he was before meeting with Jesus ? No ! Returned all that he stole from the people without Jesus even telling him to do so. Did the adulterous woman give her life changed her life style after meeting with Christ ? Yes she did ! Jesus accepted her and washed her up ! If they had stoned her to death before the meeting with Christ would she had changed from her adulterous ways ? Now see my take on this; '' it is like a man who took a dive in a pool and not be wet ! How possible is it ? You can not have Christ in you and not exhibit the fruits of the spirit ! The Law says,be clean before coming to God but Christ said come as you are i will make you clean. He said that normal people have no need for a psychiatrist ! He does not call the qualified but qualifies the called !
See below how it works :
J[b]udgement is God giving us what we deserve[/b]-(Death for violating HIS LAWS)
Mercy is God not giving us what we deserve (Life when we deserve to die)
Grace is God giving us what we don't deserve !(We are not qualified for life at all but mercy says NO-Grace !)

God help us

JesusisLord85: He paid the price for our sins. Sin is transgresion of the law. If there is no more law, how can there be sin.

Before his comming,there was the mosaic Law we have to live by ! But none can completely fulfil the works of the law. See below from the book of James:
''For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.-James 2:10
Deautronomy 27:26''"Cursed be every one who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, and do them.''
It is not possible to keep the Laws that was the reason Christ came.There is no more Law but grace as a result of God's mercy !
See below what Paul is saying,quoting the old covenant assertion:
''For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[a] Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.-Gal 3:10-11

Judgement is God giving us what we deserve ! -Now this the Law,for we deserve to die as a penalty of breaking just one part or portion of the Law that makes us guilty of breaking all the Laws ! But did we get the judgement that we deserved? - No ! Why ?

God help us

frosbel: I can see my 'arch enemy' Bidam watching but not contributing

just joking.

We have just one enemy-satan !

God help us to love even those who hate us and mistreat us !

God help me for i am a sinner too !

Christ does not desire that we pay penalties for our sins. He is pleading forgiveness.Grace !
See below words of John:

''My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One''

God help us

JesusisLord85: I agree, the only thing removed is the curse of the law. If you sin, you pay the penalty. Christ paid the penalty for us. Does that mean we can eat pig and disobey his law, so grace may abound? NO

The MOSAIC LAWS are no longer in force ! Those were the finished work of God ! The 'law' in existence today is a different kind of Law,-The Law of Grace in the Love of God ! Apostle Paul explained all these and Christ HIMSELF explained it with the case of the Sabath. What was sin under the Mosaic Law might not be sin under the Law of Grace. You quoted all these ur self and i took my time to study it.The Mosaic Laws condemned all under it before the comming of Christ. It condemned Christ Himself for he bore our transgressions on the cross of Calvary.It the Law is in force then Christ needed not to fulfill it through to his death and resurrection.
You can not be in Christ and Christ in you without you fulfilling the Laws of Grace. But it is not the other way round.

It's nothing but discussion you know.

God help us

frosbel: Thanks for the sarcasm.

As a former member of a cult and religious organization in excess of 10 years, having escaped death once from the throes of Apostolic faith church, having almost lost my family because of deeper life, I have now been made free, in my freedom I can now see the lies, the bondage, the demonic possession, the hypocrisy , the fake MOG , etc and I am angry, not for me but for others.

Jesus never implemented his own agenda, he always implemented the fathers agenda, yet today we so many so called MOG with conflicting agendas, rules, regulations and outright scamming of Gods children.
I will not stop this mission till the very end

Animosity should be kept aside !
The word of God said we should be angry but sin not ! If you allow anger to stay up with u for long you know rage,malice,hatred for persons will eat you up. Then where is the love. Do not be like the Egyptian army that did the right thing yesterday but the wrong way ! You can save us with ur write up yet might not make it after all. Correct people with love. Pray for the ones you see as ur enemies today(MOG'S and other religious people) You might have the message who knows but i sure care about ur soul. Love conquers all !
God help us all

Rick9: Wooow i am so much in Love with this post,
[b]Reason is that if you look at most christians now they aint serving God the right way they are following what thier religious leader say, and neglecting the word of God. For instance most people dont know the reason why they go to church and sometimes i wonder what they go to church to learn, in every ceremony you will find dem there but they aint living the right way. We christians need to retrace our steps. And start living like christ. [/b]

The one who knows the people serving God the right way ! This post should help us not to be religious and judgemental rather it is bringing out the religiosity in us ! I think it's good anyway.

God help me to control my mouth and my (negative)thot concerning people !

God help us all

JesusisLord85: Fulfil, i.e. he is the passover lamb. Died on passover, resurrected on the feast of first fruits. The 7 feasts of Leviticus 23 are prophetic. Feast fo first fruits is 3 days after Passover, hence he had to be in the tomb 3 days. That is fulfilment.
3 more are yet to be fulfilled, and they relate to the second coming. That I will go into also at some point.

The fulfilment of the law by Christ did something for us. It took the curse of the Law from us and placed it on Christ !
Galatians 3:13''Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole The demands of the law has been fulfiled by Christ just like what you have in the higlighted above.All the prophetic ulterance about Christ was fulfilled.The Laws of Moses MUST be obeyed before the fulfillment of it by Christ. Even Christ was under the law before it's fulfilment becos that was waht HE came to do !
The big question now is,'ARE CHRISTIANS NO LONGER UNDER LAW '? The answer is NO !
wE ARE DISCUSSING U KNOW !

God help us

JesusisLord85: Fulfil, i.e. he is the passover lamb. Died on passover, resurrected on the feast of first fruits. The 7 feasts of Leviticus 23 are prophetic. Feast fo first fruits is 3 days after Passover, hence he had to be in the tomb 3 days. That is fulfilment.
3 more are yet to be fulfilled, and they relate to the second coming. That I will go into also at some point.

Pls can you tell me what prompted Christ to say HE has not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it ?

God help us

frosbel: uhmm, I never asked anyone to leave their churches, stop misquoting me, appears you are on a rampage of slander.

I simply make the point that we cannot trust what the pastors or reverends are telling us in these last days, we MUST always test their doctrine and teaching with the word of GOD.

So far , many of their teachings have been found to be wanting and inclined more to the traditions of men than the doctrine of Jesus.

The holy one frosbel !
The ALL KNOWING AND TRUTHFUL FROSBEL !
Your write up is kool ! But if the intent is to criticize(u know in ur heart) other than to win souls for Christ,pls know that it is religious !
God help us

indoorlove: This wonderful post of yours remind me of a particular Man of God who was hell-bent on nt rendering help to his sister because she belong to another religion.

Every one trying to criticize ! The same thing you accuse people of that you are guilty of !
God help us

shdemidemi: I must accept your criticism, I will sure work on a better way to present this gospel.

This goes to show that the perception of who you are by me was some how wrong ! Apologies if i offended you by words.

God help us

JesusisLord85: Another contradiction of Mr shdemidemi:
I saw him post and interpret Peter's dream in Acts 10 as meaning that is was ok for Peter to eat unclean meats. The first obvious problem is that shdemidemi testified to me that he believes the Jew must still follow the mosaic law, while other believers do not. Peter is a Jew - so clearly he doesn't know what he believes.
The second problem here is that he has not understood Acts 15. But let me help explain what is truely means:

Peter has a dream. In it, he saw unclean animals. God said, "kill and eat" (in the dream).
Peter says "Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean."

Let us pause for a second. Peter was commissioned by God to preach the gospel by Jesus himself. If Jesus said you can now eat unclean animals, how come Peter didn't get the memo?

The problem here is that you have tried to interpret the dream by yourself. Dreams in the bible always have an interpretation, the reader is not left to make up his own mind what it means. Unless of course you have the gift of interpreting dreams like Daniel or Joseph.

The interpretation of the dream is given in verse 28 "And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean."

Tradition of the elders (not the law) says a Jew cannot enter the house of a gentile. If not for the dream, and the apprearance of the angel, Peter would not have entered a gentile home. God did not contradict his own law i.e. do not eat unclean animals. He was saying the gentiles are not unclean, which contradicts the tradition of the elders.

There are many NT passaged such as this that are wildly misunderstood. Dodgy translations do not help either brother.

Consider what Paul (aposle to the gentiles) says himself:

2 Corinthians 2:16 " Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you."

So, do not try and itnerpret dreams, it is there for you. Remember what God said to Aaron and his siter. Numbers 12:6-8

And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream. My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?"

Seek the interpretation of the dream, unless you are among the prophets

The scripture is one and must agree from the old to the new !
What was acceptable in the old law becos of the dispensation then might not be accepted in the new covenant and there is always a scripture in the new that will show us how it metamorphosed ! If we hold on to the letters,we will not see the spirit behind the word and it will be LAWS all the way ! The more we continue to counter ourselves becos of our own interpretations,then it will be very difficult or even not possible to see the coherence of the scripture.
Bro,pls when Christ said that he has not come to change the Laws but to fulfill it,what was he saying ? If you some times google things to know what God is saying,you might miss it unless you pray the holy spirit to help you while you study the bible.
Let us discuss,one step at a time !
God help us

People fail to see the reason Christ died ! They tell us to accept the laws then christ can come in but the message shdemidemi is trying to pass across is the other way round which is the true gospel. Shdemidemi do it right with the WORD and ur words !

God help us

You have the grace message which is the true gospel and the reason christ died but the presentation is what i have a challenge with Shdemidemi !
God help us all

shdemidemi: You definitely have a right to your opinion, if you think you know what I am thinking or what i am intending to pass across, you might just be wrong yourself. Say what you want to say, present what you want to present.

Pls let us discus as brothers.
A question was thrown at u regarding what happens to a divorcee and a gay regarding whether they will make heaven if they fail to repent and from ur answer i saw the answer myself yet you said u can not answer the question !-Presentation.

God help us all

shdemidemi: I would not answer your questions now because of your weakness in the spirit. I would prefer to talk you through the scriptures so I don't lose you to the devil.

Your presentation is faulty ! I said it before and i'm repeating it. I wil help u only if u agree that you know whta you want to say but don't know how to say it !
God help us

shdemidemi: you have a thread

https://www.nairaland.com/1342790/exegesis-epistle---with-jesusislord

Your presentation is faulty ! I said it before and i'm repeating it. I wil help u only if u agree that you know whta you want to say but don't know how to say it !
God help us

nora544: Oh deeper life church makes also miracles.

When i hear about this miracles how many are realy tru, did they show something that they have this illness before.

Was this person visiting many doctors before that he has realy cancer or HIV..... and he get healt.... or is this only because nigerian belive so much in miracles.

I know that there is a possibility that you get healt from cancer but not without drugs.

But when i hear that parents go for the pastor when there child is sick, to ask for a prayer, give there hard earned money to the pastor for the prayer and what they are doing if the prayer brings nothing then they have no money that they can bring there child in the hospital because a simple appendicitis when it is not done at the right time is dangerous.

The people from nigeria trust there so called man of god more than a doctor.

I see a documentation about religion in nigeria from an nigerian and it was so sad when you hear one so called great man of god telling the people jesus was a rich man - please where i can find this in the james bible - i look for this since two weeks.

When this so called great man of god ask the people if they want a bentley, did this normal people realy know what a bently is.

All in this churches is about money, praying and fasting but no one of this so called great man of god will tell his people you have to work when you want to have a better life and god will help you.

People in nigeria belive when the pastor tell them give me all your money what you have in your pocket when you come to church and when you are back at home this mony will be ten times more on your tabel at home, since what time god make money.

THERE IS NO MOUNTAIN ANYWHERE ! EVERY MAN'S IGNORANCE IS HIS MOUNTAIN !
God help us

frosbel: refuse to Obey GOD not MEN.

Get your facts right.

Now another topic ! That quotation is for those who do not think that punishment or discipline is allowed in the church !
Now below is for pple like you frosbel who also do not think that when you dnt obey authorities of men placed above you,that God will be happy with u and and give u a path on the back. See below instruction from the the scriptures:
''Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God''.-Romans 13:1

1 Cor 11:32'' But when God does judge us, he disciplines us as his own sons, that we may not be involved in the general condemnation of the world''
Hebrew 12:5-8''And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons?
“My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord,
nor be weary when reproved by him.
For the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and chastises every son whom he receives.”
It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline?If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.''
God help us

God pickin: are churches now cults? Am so disappointed in d leadership of deeper life. Religion na really politics...mm just dat suspension follow, very soon the guy n his wife will start their ministry,

See below what the word of God is saying:
2 Thessalonians 3:14-15: "Take note of those who refuse to obey what we say in this letter. Stay away from them so they will be ashamed. Don't think of them as enemies, but warn them as you would a brother or sister."
Erring members can be chastised by our leaders in church !
God help us

NOW THIS IS MY STAND ON THIS ISSUE !
Mathew 15:9''They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.'"
Colossians 2:22''These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings.''
Mark 7:13''making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”
Galatians 5:1''It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.''
Galatians 5:13''You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.''
Romans 13:1''Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
From the above,we can see clearly that people use traditions as the word of God.We know some denomination who buid their faith on the back of traditions that in most cases contradicts the word of God.Some of those traditions might not realy contradict the word of God but shouldn't be used to pin people down.
Now this is my advice to Pastor Kumuyi :
Your traditions or the traditions of the church should be relaxed a little to accommodate ! If it were to be purely the word of God that u have used as traditions,pls do not listen to the negative and 'positive' voices flying arround rather stand on the word of God.
My advice to brother John and Love:
So long as you both are under the authority of the church,there is nothing you can actually do rather than to submit as unto the lord.If the man made laws contardicts the word of God,pls do not adhere to it and you can as well leave the church !
My advice to nairalanders of different denominations who profess to be Christians:
To the Roman catholic first: Your church traditions is not in anyway different from what Kumuyi has done anyway.You so much believe in church tradition rather than the word of God.And some times we here you saying that the word of God comes after the church traditions. Pls i do not expect any of you to criticize Deeper life church for suspending her members if they have violated the laws of the church.
Now to some of us who are ignorant out there,I put this questions to us; Why do we worry ourselves up to the level of calling names ? Have we not seen this scripture;'' Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.-Romans 13:1
If you must remain in an area,be it state,country or church,you must submit to their laws !
May God give us heavenly wisdom to know the truth !
God help us

bizmahn: Thank God for raising people that can speak sense on this forum.Unbelievable that "almighy" America & U.K can stoop so low to sign gay practise into law.See how they've lost all their respect & integrity in no time.The very first black American president came to disgrace blacks.And I marvel that there's no nationwide outcry against this wickedness.All they do now is to go about according high level respect & recognition to gays to the extent of creating gay pride celebrations & parades.Obama came not to destroy America with weapons but with unwholesome policies & lo he has succeeded.America is finally destroyed.I say watch & see it unfold physically.

You have spoke nothing but the truth.Things will continue to go these way but we have to hold on to that which we know is the truth according to the word of God. They are trying to force all their policies,laws that out rightly contradicts the word of God.They infuse all these in their movies,music,talks,acts and arts generally so we can start accepting them unknowingly !
May God help us

peteremu: huh? changed to islam? #trueluv noni

Was she a Christian before the marriage ceremony ?
God help us

Eeja Nla01: Quran5:32 Do not kill an innocent souL!

Any1 who transgress this awaits his reward dazzal!

Does that mean you can kill a soul that is not innocent ?
Who and what qualifies innocence ?
Please don't hide my post if you know you don't support evil. I want us to discuss and i promise i will not violate the 'laws'of the forum.
God help us