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frosbel: I think there is some little misunderstanding.

I am 100% for living in peace with all men and women, whatever their religion , background etc, and in my own personal life this is the case. For example I interact and chill out with Muslims, Hindus etc.

But the peace the pope is talking about is a rather different kind, it is a peace that says we should just accept all belief systems as valid and not bother telling people about the work of salvation wrought by God through his Son , Christ Jesus, when he was crucified for the sins of all men to save us , not from only sin but eternal death. To this I cannot agree.

Besides the Pope is the spokesman for Catholics not all Christians.

@ Vedaxcool , I ask these questions :

1. Peace on what terms ?
2. On whose terms
3. How can over 100 religions agree that they all valid paths to the same God ? You and I know quite well, we believe there is one GOD , how can we integrate the millions of gods of the Hindus for example.

It is far more complex than most of you think.

You will have to trivialise and reject the greatest work of mankind , the salvation brought to us by God in his Son, to make us live in a peace of religious alliance.

Peace to all , and I mean it in Jesus name.

christemmbassey: there is nothing like 'a catholic christian' u are a christian or a NON CHRISTIAN(unbeliever) dont decieve urself, there is ' catholic faith which is completly dif from the 'christian faith' . NOTE: YOU CAN NOT BE A CATHOLIC ANDE A CHRISTIAN.. its not possible. Can one animal be goat and sheep?

maclatunji: And the Bible was written by people whom you blindly follow even when it is obvious that divinity cannot be shared. Belief in a totally wrong teaching would be to achieve what? Eternal damnation?

musKeeto: Beyond that, the Pope's doing pretty well so far. I wish our so called 'true Christians aka Protestants and especially the Penterascals headed by CAN [/b]understand what roles they have to play to save our country from the BH menace...

bolaino: my good man, I don't seem to understand your question, but I'm gon try to answer it as best as I can, scientists are humans, and no human is perfect, but before scientists accept a theory, that theory must go tru a series of critical analysis, and if it survives it becomes a fact that will be accepted by other scientists from different religious and ethnic groups, but sometimes some theories that were considered right at a certain time, were later proved to be wrong at a later time, thus it will be improved upon or changed, but that's not the case wit christianity, the bible is a book that claims to be extraordinary, but is not given extraordinary scrutiny, about d sun, there are billions of galaxies in this universe and these galaxies have billions of stars and planets, the sun just haPpens to be our star,

belabela: Now Abraham's servant decided to put a fleece before the Lord.

'Then he prayed, “Lord, God of my master Abraham, make me successful today, and show kindness to my master Abraham. See, I am standing beside this spring, and the daughters of the townspeople are coming out to draw water. May it be that when I say to a young woman, ‘Please let down your jar that I may have a drink,’ and she says, ‘Drink, and I’ll water your camels too’—let her be the one you have chosen for your servant Isaac. By this I will know that you have shown kindness to my master.”


Fleece does not guarantee that God was in a thing but it has been an ancient method used throughout the old testament and even in the choosing of Matthias to replace Judas Iscariot. However we know that it is not a reliable way to ascertain that God has made the choice.

belabela: My brother whether pastor is real or not it is solely your responsibility to choose your wife. It is shear arrogance for one man to claim somebody is not your wife, and what is preventing him from telling you your wife. The only problem is that God can only guide you he will never impose anybody on you.

Let's go back to the story of Abraham, his servant, Rebecca and Isaac

First of all getting a wife is a favour from the Lord which Abraham is aware of. Again Abraham knows that God does not impose a woman on a man and vice versa hence he said:

“The Lord, the God of heaven, who brought me out of my father’s household and my native land and who spoke to me and promised me on oath, saying, ‘To your offspring I will give this land’—he will send his angel before you so that you can get a wife for my son from there. If the woman is unwilling to come back with you, then you will be released from this oath of mine. Only do not take my son back there.” - Genesis 24: 7-8

Abraham first had a desire that his son should marry from among his people. God did not decide that for him

He is fully aware that a lady may say yes or no. God does not betroth anyone to another

He asked for guidance and God's favour for his servant who will go to get a wife for Isaac.


Note that the wife is not for the servant but for Isaac. Now Abraham's servant decided to put a fleece before the Lord.

'Then he prayed, “Lord, God of my master Abraham, make me successful today, and show kindness to my master Abraham. See, I am standing beside this spring, and the daughters of the townspeople are coming out to draw water. May it be that when I say to a young woman, ‘Please let down your jar that I may have a drink,’ and she says, ‘Drink, and I’ll water your camels too’—let her be the one you have chosen for your servant Isaac. By this I will know that you have shown kindness to my master.”


Fleece does not guarantee that God was in a thing but it has been an ancient method used throughout the old testament and even in the choosing of Matthias to replace Judas Iscariot. However we know that it is not a reliable way to ascertain that God has made the choice.


Abraham's servant had to propose to Rebecca by putting a gold ring on her nose which her brothers spotted and knew a man was interested in her. And even at that the servant was not saying " I am sure this woman is Isaac's wife. He waited for Rebecca to make her choice.

Then they said, “Let’s call the young woman and ask her about it.” So they called Rebekah and asked her, “Will you go with this man?” “I will go,” she said

To meet any man or woman is by divine providence, to speak to the woman or propose is left to you and to have a marriage both parties must agree they want to go on this journey. Where did you see Rebecca asking her brothers if she should follow them? No where! She is more mature than most of the ladies in our churches today. And her brothers are more knowledgeable than the pastors we have today.

In our culture where parents allow their children to bring their fiancé/e home, many young people would not in any way be like Rebecca who had her own mind they work by illusion or what their pastor said which is pathetic.

Every child of God is led/guided by the Holy Spirit, and the pastor is not the one to validate the Spirit of God. Rather it is the other way round. that is why the decision is yours not your pastor's. Many pastors will do well by staying in their duty post and not trying to be God over men.

Ihedinobi: I don't like the thought that you seem to be deliberately trying to misunderstand our brother. But, are you indeed doing so? I doubt that his post could be read to mean that there is no need to gather with other believers, I'm sure that all he has been saying is that the individual believer is responsible to the Lord for his personal decisions. It's irresponsible to constantly seek other children of God however more mature to take decisions for them. That is contra the Cross and contra everything Christ means.

I hope you understand.

bolaino: on the contrary my good man, this story is very true, this story is not a figment of my imagination, it's very true, and seeing most comments here I've taken my final decision, ignorance might be bliss to some of u, but to me ignorance is death, wallow in ignorance my good man, as for me, I choose logic and sound reasoning,

brokoto: oga you have to do better than this cheap emotionalism and hellfire scare tactics. I only respond to facts not sentiments.

Lemme ask you,
If Islam is a scam,what do i have to loose ?
If nothing at the end of life then i will go to where other atheists or freethinkers go to !
But if Islam is for real,Allah is real and there is heaven and hell,will atheist Join me in heaven ?
Ask urself that and answer for urself !

belabela: Your theology is quite disturbing. The Spirit of the Lord dwells in all children of God. As a matter of fact it is the seal of their sonship. If any cannot hear from the Lord how then will they know that their pastors are saying the truth. First of all if anything said to you is contrary to the word of God, you may as well discard it. Prophecy is not meant to put you in bondage nor put you in fear. It is a message from the Lord and the purpose of prophecy is more important than the prophecy.

Just because you ignored a thing and regret it later does not translate to a theology. You know why you ignored it, if you had no reason for ignoring it then you should have no reason to complain. We are talking about the decision that every man must make you are saying ask your pastor. Did your pastor make the decision to follow Christ for you? On your wedding day were you asked " Did the Holy Spirit tell you this is your husband?" or haven't those who understand scripture not lay it down to ask you " Do you take this man as your husband or do you take this woman as your wife?"

Get your bible read it and pray to God to interpret the word unto you and stop following prophecies about. The totality of prophecy is in Christ and written in scriptures. if there is anymore thing to know the Holy Spirit will teach you.

belabela: Your theology is quite disturbing. The Spirit of the Lord dwells in all children of God. As a matter of fact it is the seal of their sonship. If any cannot hear from the Lord how then will they know that their pastors are saying the truth. First of all if anything said to you is contrary to the word of God, you may as well discard it. Prophecy is not meant to put you in bondage nor put you in fear. It is a message from the Lord and the purpose of prophecy is more important than the prophecy.

Just because you ignored a thing and regret it later does not translate to a theology. You know why you ignored it, if you had no reason for ignoring it then you should have no reason to complain. We are talking about the decision that every man must make you are saying ask your pastor. Did your pastor make the decision to follow Christ for you? On your wedding day were you asked " Did the Holy Spirit tell you this is your husband?" or haven't those who understand scripture not lay it down to ask you " Do you take this man as your husband or do you take this woman as your wife?"

Get your bible read it and pray to God to interpret the word unto you and stop following prophecies about. The totality of prophecy is in Christ and written in scriptures. if there is anymore thing to know the Holy Spirit will teach you.

baldman: At Belabela, I don't get the premises upon which you came to the above conclusion or advice and I am not really certain if same was directed at me or the OP, but in anycase, my warning is that there are indeed true children of God who are gifted in prophecy, that gift is biblical and it is well rooted even in the new testament, so when we come out to say, people should disregard 'thou sayeth the Lord' and only do things as they think fit, we may be creating a problem rather than solving it. Every child of God has a measure of the spirit of God so ordinarily should be self sufficient, but God still deemed it fit to give a measure of the gifts of the spirit to as many as would desire it( the gifts of the spirit are the only things the Bible says we should covet) for the edification of the church. SO there are real prophets and God has so appointed them for the edification of the church. That I got from my Bible. The fantastic thing about the bible is that it is the standard against which every word of prophecy is to be tested.

bolaino: . The problem with creationism is in it's self, if u claim everything has a beginning and that everything was created, then something had to have created the creator, cos there's no way u'll tell me the creator had been existing without it being created, and by the way the biblical God is a God who makes mistakes (gen 6v6) and behaves like a vengeful evil spirit, sending forth mini evil spirits here and there,

belabela: Whoever that so called man of God is has just told you a lie from the pit of hell. God has never told any man "this is your wife or this one is not your wife" he has left men to choose whosoever they wish to marry from creation. This equally applies to the woman.

When God created Adam he did not impose a wife on him. As much as GOD wanted him to have a wife, he did not impose one on him rather brought the woman to him so he could decide if he wanted her. It was Adam himself that fell in love with the woman and said “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman,’ for she was taken out of man" (Genesis 2:23)

The idea that somehow God has betrothed a man to a woman or a woman to a man from birth is not found or written anywhere in scriptures. It is the responsibility of man to find a wife amongst the women , and the responsibility of the woman to decide of her own free will to marry a man. This is the sign of adulthood. To start chasing after a pastor, prophet, daddy, mummy, papa, mama, brother or sister to declare unto you who your wife or husband will be is a sign of immaturity (both physical and spiritual).

It is unfortunate that late marriages occur in the christian community today because false teachers have gone out teaching the young ones that they have been betrothed to a particular man or woman. Hence you hear people professing their ignorance saying " He is not the will of God or she is not the will of God" Some of the fraudsters pastors have even created terms such as "perfect will of God" as though some will of God are imperfect.

Every marriage has its own challenge, whether you call it perfect or imperfect will of God, and to think that somehow a marriage will be free of challenges is not to live in reality.

My brother let not your respected MOG lead you astray. The only advice the bible gives corcerning marriage is that the person must be in the Lord. In other words marry someone who share thesame beliefs as you. But then you need to ask yourself other important questions (i.e your decision making process must not be based on dreams, pastor said, or other unreasonable reasons ). Ask yourself: Do I love her? Are we compatible? Do I want to live with her for the rest of my life? What are her strengths and weaknesses and can I cope with them or work on them ? Will I be proud to tell the world she's my wife? etc

Haven said this you can either believe scriptures or man ( MOG or not). At best God can reveal something about the lady to you especially by her character. Even at that the choice is always with you. If you see anything in a dream or vision please do confirm it in reality (in other words ask questions from the person(s) involved) There are many false and useless dreams out there coming out of the fears stored in man.

These verses may be of help

"This is what the LORD has commanded concerning the daughters of Zelophehad, saying, 'Let them marry whom they wish; only they must marry within the family of the tribe of their father.' Numbers 36:6

"Marry and have sons and daughters; find wives for your sons and give your daughters in marriage, so that they too may have sons and daughters. Increase in number there; do not decrease." [/b]Jeremiah 29:6

"[b]Whoever finds a wife finds what is good, and receives favor from the LORD." Provers 18:22

"A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord." - I corinthians 7:39

bolaino: yes boss, you and saur are telling me exactly what I wanted to hear mann, thanks a lot bro, I'm already on it,

brokoto: Phew! With the vast majority of views I've seen here, I think I have no hope.



Just be going to church and praying! Don't find out if Christianity or religion might be one big scam!

bolaino: Please I need your help, my girlfriend of about a month plus wants to leave me because I'm a freethinker, I love her, I've always loved her, but being a freethinker is the best thing that has happened to me, she is a God fearing christian with good morals and she's very beautiful and intelligent, but she says she can't get married or date an "unrepentant pagan" like me, (yeah her words exactly) what should I do? Should I let her go or should I compromise and throw away what I believe to be truth and embrace what I think is false, all because of love, I'm confused,

musKeeto: Now this is why I detest christian threads...

Even Muslims wouldn't vomit such crap...

ooman: I disagree, love is what holds marriage together. Love must precede marriage.

ooman: If i could speak in any language in heaven or on earth but didnt love others, i would only be making meaningless noise - Paul - 1Cor. 13v1

Let love lead you. Forget the pastors.

bio12: I love her so much BUT a Man of God I respect very much told me she's not my wife

What do I do?

sholasys: THOUGH I UNDERSTAND YOU STATEMENT BUT THE TRUTH IS I AM NOT AN IGNORANT OF In vitro fertilisation
if they had wanted IVF they would have done it long time ago. This are MEN of GOD with UNFILTERED FAITH

blank: F.uck you as.s wipe. You are a compound fooool. I said they went for IVF and did not mention it. Not that IVF is wrong but that when they do not mention it they deceive people and make people think it is something to be ashamed of. Since it is the same God that gave man the wisdom of IVF options, why are they hiding it and making it look like its the devil?

I support IVF fully and expect the receipients to propagate the "gospel". But you won't understand as your head is too far up your own a.ss to comprehend.

Wendy80: It baffles ♍ε̲̣̣̣̥ how pple limit God ds days,so any1 with multiple birth is thru IVF.......May God 4give U Blank

sholasys: I will not join you with the insults. It shows who you really are. I only narrated all that... to let you know i knew them not that i dont know what or how or when is IVF is deployed.
you said "How do you know it was a natural conception"
Then I ask you How do you know it was NOT a natural conception ? You can imagine how d......