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@Skyblue,

There is really no sense in dancing around issues. If you have a point make it

I have made my observations about goodluck, you may not like it, but i call it as i see it. nigerians really need to start making clear minded intelligent decisions, not one based on sentiments. I am just not conviced that he is the best man for the job.

@Skyblue,

Am I to infer from your comments that leadership makes no difference, since the country is rotten to the core?

Sky Blue:
You made a statement which I found to be quite general and a bit too vague. How many people do you know that have said a country can flourish without the government? You are speaking of a mindset that is not really there as if it is significantly there, so how can you feed it into the argument in such loose terms as if it is one of the problems of the nation which needs solving or addressing? We spend so much time focusing on the president and comparatively very little time focusing on the other arms of government. Why hasn't the local content/petroleum industry bill been passed by the legislature when the presidency sent it to them last year? Should the presidency then take sole blame for the delay in passage of the bill or do we turn the heat up on our legislatures to make them do it? Have you ever even attempted giving your representative a call or dropping them an email?

@Skyblue and effective government can only be achieved through effective leadership, if you are trying to absolve the president of his reponsibilities, that wont wash. Whislt I do accept that all arms of government should be held to account, we start at the top

Sky Blue:
Has anybody on this thread made the claim in bold? If so, where is it, can you point it out to me?

Stop looking for holes. I have simply raised a point about blind hollow support, now people are more interested in side comments.

@Papabrowne,

I appreciate your response, probably one of the fairest, and I do accept that there maybe other candidates who have blind supporters. but I think we must all be careful here, I am only drawing attention to the same hype and irrational support that followed Yar Adua. We virtually lost 4yrs, and Nigerians realy need to be careful this time around.

It amazes me that some expect a country to flourish without government input.

Where is the sound education for the leaders of tomorrow, where is the security for you and I? where is the power to drive our industries. Governement needs to lay a firm foundation for the private sector to follow, no firm foundation it becomes practicallt impossible to do meaningful busniess.

@Beaf,

You have started this your Junk-Yard dog behaviour once more. Why not comment on why you feel people should have so much belief in Jonathan as much as you do.
I have simply stated why he wont be the wisest choice, instead of responding sensibly, you start shouting like a dog with rabies.

If true, Well done Goodluck. This is good news for Nigerians, but road to good levels of power is still long.

tensor777:
The point is I don't even get you as you are just whining. You say government officials have not got a clue and yet you have not come up with any positive recommendations.
At least if you do that then we would have something interesting to discuss. What really do you expect from posters here,for now, other than to agree or disagree with your whine list?

@Tensor777,

Why dont you comment on the government as things stand. And why should I be recommending to the goverment what they should do. If you feel the governement has performed, then say so, if not, I am not quite sure what you are arguing about. I am simply stating a fact that people might find themselves under a very wrong impression

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tensor777:
Yes disagree with me if you like. What I would like to hear from you and the OP is exactly how you want the government to go about doing that.

So you rather a govenment that hasnt got a clue. I am simply expressing my opinion on a very pedestrian government that has shown little or no sigh of promise, but you are more interested in me not critisizing the system as it stands. Why dont you simply tell me what the problem with my post is?
And can you alsp comment on whether my observations of the government so far is way off.

tensor777:
Again you totally miss the point. The "salvation" of Nigeria if you want to call it that will only happen if the people themselves are ready to change. That goes far far beyond keeping government officials in check.
What are you even saying. You expect government officials to develop Nigeria or make you rich?  
Face your business and stop pointing fingers at government officials.

Really? Tensor777, I dont get your point, So a country with the sort of economic and infrastructure climate that exist in Nigeria will thrive in business right?

tensor777:
You need to get over yourself and get away from this misguided doomsday outlook. Seriously you expect any president to be able to perform miracles.
Security Is the president a genie that will tell disgruntled young men to stop killing and detroying at the slightest provocation?
Education[/b]Last time I checked it takes 16 years of full-time education to turn a primary school entrant into a graduate, so what do you expect from a president in 2 years?
That he should force students to take their studies seriously? That he should end the short cut culture that leads to exam fraud and malpractice
[b]Job prospect That is down to the private sector not government.
Light Again that can only be tackled by the private sector and would mean a massive increase in tarriffs. There is no free lunch.

@Tensor777,

Nigeria is still not on the right track, what is so wrong in getting a leader who can stir the country in the right direction? We must appreciate the consequences of not getting it right now, means another 4yrs of mis-rule, so if that inteprets as doom, so be it.

@Skyblue,

You make a very good point, and I have often argued same. However, the blind support for GEJ is what should be brought to the fore. our people should really be made to think carefully about their choice, the days of sentiment, should have been long gone, but I am afraid it isnt.

We are still very far from a system that credibly challenges the ruling party, and keeps them in check, like you have in the US or UK. In Nigeria, it is basically Winner Takes All.

Ok, it has been well over 10 months now, and I have struggled to make head or tail of the current administration. Initially with all the hype and fanfare, I thought Nigerians were up to something good with Oga Goodluck. I waited for the string of good news to flow through, so I could join my brothers in celebrating our Goodluck, but that was never the case.

I am always one to believe in giving people a fair chance until proven wrong; in fact I am well known for being too trusting. That said, I have since learnt that free trust comes with good judgement, at least you then gradually get into a habit of proper discernment. So the GEJ brouhaha was treated with a tint of caution, and rightfully so. I remember almost spilling my big bottle of stout over the Yar-adua victory in 2007, not only because my then candidate didn’t do well, but more importantly I felt Nigerians were being lured into a false sense of trust. If I remember quite well, the argument then was that this was a past Governor who was trusted in his state so much so that he left something in the government coffers on his way out. Though commendable by Nigerian standard, wasn’t enough reason to believe he was the best to lead us forward.
My advice slogan then was, Vote for Change, little did I know that some Afro-American would steal my phrase. Anyway, I felt strongly that what Nigeria needed then was change, change from the usual people change from the Usual Party, change from the way we see things and do things, and I still feel so strongly today.
I have often said that I have nothing against Goodluck, after all he is my brother from the ND and personally I like him, but I think we should all learn to put sentiments aside and reason for the benefit of Nigeria.
I know we have often had friendly banter on here (Political Pygmy – that’s a good one), sometimes turning into unnecessary abuse, but seriously, what if all who believe in Goodluck are wrong? We must really in the words of Warri man “Shine our eyes”.
What are the consequences?
1: Another 4 years of total rubbish / bad government
2: Education Dead and buried
3: Security of Man and property absolutely zero
4: Job prospect for the young and those out of work? Nil
5: Corruption beyond belief
6: No light
These are to name but a few.
I am not being pessimistic, but it is important that Nigerians really reflect on the reasons why they choose their candidates who ever they are. The stakes are too high for decisions to be made based on sentiments alone. We must all learnt to ask ourselves the critical selfless questions

I for one hope that even if he gets in there I am proven wrong, he does well. But judging from the past 10 months, the signs are not good.
Goodluck has not shown true leadership. He might be a gentleman, but we all know that being a gentleman is not enough to do great things in Nigeria
Nigerians must look to facts
1: General security situation in the country
2: General level of corruption in the country
3: Goodluck’s reaction to major incidents, including the on-going Jos crisis
4: The state of the economy
5: Goodluck’s willingness to associate and work with masters of Corruption, thuggery and rigging
This to me does not represent change, rather same old deceit, lies and cheating.
Nigerians, must now start using their heads rather than their hearts, and learn to drive their destiny; at least this is what the Tunisians and Egyptians are doing.
But if Nigerians decide it must be Goodluck for no logical reason, then I wish them well.

Still no congent answer from Beaf and co.

I dont know why you guys are bothering yourself with the Likes of Beaf - known political dead-enders.

Buhari has remained humble in everything he has done, and is likely to get my vote.

If Dog Beaf and co, are accusing him of $2.8 billion, Goodluck may as well tell us what has happend to the excess crude account. Drained in 9 months

@Beaf,

You have been roasted this time around, political pygmy

Answer
Jonathan's 2007 declaration of $2.4 million in assets during the campaign also raised questions about how an academic and public servant could earn so much.

Abi, even Times should take panadol?

Beaf and friends if you want to find the answer, click on the link below.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-598231.0.html


Please leave your comments as well

Shey it was anenih that was in-charge of the Lagos - Benin road.

The devil is a big thief, and is responsible for countless lives lost on that road, he must be held accountable.

Nope, they are having cabinet meeting on how to respond to these damaging questions

Dont mind beaf,

They are probably having cabinet meeting in Aso rock on how to respond.

These are serious questions that, will never get answered, but he would rather run around bad mouthing others. Let him respond to the suggestion that GEJ wealth is unexplained.

We need answers if he want to be taken seriously, after all we know how much Prof's are paid.

I believe if we need to challenge GEJ, we do that with facts. This thread serves no purpose. Please be objective and complete in your challenge.

This is a fair assessment on the Man Jonathan,

But I am a bit worried about the following from Time magazine


And then there's corruption. Jonathan may have got the Bayelsa governorship through his boss' alleged misdeeds, but he is hardly free of the biggest impediment to progress in Nigeria: corruption. The election that saw Yar'Adua and Jonathan win office was described by the E.U. Election Observation Mission to Nigeria as "not credible" due to "lack of transparency and evidence of fraud," adding it had "no confidence in the results." Jonathan's 2007 declaration of $2.4 million in assets during the campaign also raised questions about how an academic and public servant could earn so much. Jonathan's wife Patience was indicted by the anti-corruption Economic and Financial Crimes Commission for money laundering in 2007. "He has a lot of baggage from the past," says Musa Rafsanjani, head of the Zero Corruption lobby group.


http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1964192,00.html



Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1964192,00.html#ixzz1CtnAQ5D7

Guys we must give it to this dogs bollocks called Beaf. The amount of shiet inside that guy is unbelievable.

But Mind you guys, he is being paid, so this is his day job. They are even making him wear woman's skirt and lip stick

@Blacksta,

Fire-on.

Beaf and his 3 personalities must be defeated. Goodluck is using Nigeria's money to sponsor a tramp like Johndoe, abi Na Beaf, or maybe Mary_J_Blige.


Tell us what GEJ has done since being in office instead of running other down. People like Beaf represent real problem to Nigeria.

@Beaf,

Political Pygmy? you come out with the most funny of quotes. I must give that to you.

By the way, how do you enjoy wearing woman skirt?

I keep telling you, that I hope Johnny is paying you well oh? it ends in about 3months

Why dont you guys leave all this childish tribal war and focus on the issue at hand.

Why should every issue be seen as an opportunity to discredit tribes, this is so bad.

You guys should stop blowing this over.

These take away centres are not where the typical Nigerians goes to eat. Lets equate it


$7 = £4.50, that is what I would expect to pay @ Mc-Donalds or Burger King.

So the price is not that bad. I found that Chicken in Nigeria is generally more expensive than the UK, dont ask me why, but it is

So sad. This reminds us of the true state of our country. Nobody is safe

Do we? if so my apology. This only came out today, with admission from INEC on failings.

So no Centrel Server, or ability to detect fraud at point of registeration. All hope is being left to the coallation stage, now big question, how reliable is that process? what are the possiblities of disqualifying or striking off perfectly legitimate candidates.

The whole thing has been a real Sham from day one, to be honest, I will struggle to have faith in such a system.

Please read

http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=37300:how-wrong-equipment-others-mar-voters-registration&catid=1:national&Itemid=559

Good Old Nigerian fight. I used to enjoy watching this as a kid. So who won?

This is good new. I wish the people of Souther Sudan well