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for those who are rejoicing, is it well understood that Sin is Sin? If that is the case what is the difference between this Man and those who loot out treasury dry?

Please we must leanr to recognise when a big wrong has been done, and in my opinion, this is one of those cases. this is an innocent man who has been killed unjustly, and this should never be seen as right.

That is why Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". The killing of this man is wrong, we may not like what he does, but that does not give anyone the right to take his life. There can be no good logival reason for this, and it must be condenmed totally

A Ugandan gay rights campaigner who last year sued a local newspaper which outed him as homosexual has been beaten to death, activists say.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12295718

This is so sad. Some may not like the acts they perform, but that is no reason to kill them. This is pure wickedness.

Ujujoan:
Well he should have rejected the assignment knowing fully well that he was incable!

In Nigeria, people dont accept their inability to do things, they will accept positions knowing fully well what the outcome is likely to be. After all if he fails, no one can do anything to him. That's how it works in Bongo

Ujujoan:
Scenario . . .

You hire a consultant to carry out an assignment. You present him with his ToR which contains his exact job descriptions and expectations. Based on that, he draws up a proposal covering the total cost. This proposal is approved by you and the funds subsequently released.

Halfway through the project, he realized he won't be able to meet the deadline as a result of bad planning and shoddy implementation of the activities. The information you received from the field was that he employed inexperienced and inadequate workers, procured sub-standard materials, and generally messed up the whole process.

The only alternative to ensure the activity is effectively implemented will be an extension of the time line. However, your consultant is insisting that the assignment must be concluded at this point because an extension would incur additional costs on his side.

Question:
What will be your reaction?

Options
a) Grant him the time extension he requested for at no additional cost because the extra costs is as a result of his own failure.
b) Grant him the time extension he requested for and provide the extra costs he's demanding because he's threatening to resign.  
c) Object to the time extension because of the extra cost at the risk of not achieving your own objectives as a result of his failure to implement as planned and as budgeted.
d) Object to the requests for time extension additional cost, fire him and sue his highly unprofessional a$$!

I'd go for option d . . . .  How about you    

Option E: Demote him, get an experienced hand to run things and show him how things are done

I can almost guarantee you guys we will be spending that sort of money come 2015.

Jega must resign now. Nigerians must learn how to make thier leaders accountable. I am sick and tired of our Money being wasted this way. I have nothing against the Prof, but I think this is way beyond him.

I am confident there are seasoned Nigerians out there that can do a steller job. Uncle Jega should go and rest.

Kobojunkie:
You are probably right but if you read the start of the post, it is that he is asking for the amount. Also, I wonder how valid Jega's claims of 4.3 million registered per day really are. Considering the hiccups reported and the fact that some were not even required to provide valid ID to register, I wonder if much of what we will get, at the end of this exercise will be different from the old.

I think he is actually asking for more money. See todays Guardian.

http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=36717:inec-wants-extra-n66b-for-voters-registration&catid=1:national&Itemid=559

Wrong man for the Job. Simple.

Kobojunkie:
You mean say you no even show Valid Birth Certificate to register?

I am glad you asked this, because like say na me, dem for accuse me of bad-mouthing the whole thing.

Quite frankly the whole thing has been a real joke. How do you varify peoples identity and age?

87Billion naira for the rubbish of an excersize.

^^^^ I beg tell them, becos me don tire.

Jega, should step down. This whole thing need to be re-assessed and re-planned. There is not proof the job that has been done soe far is in anyway credible. How can people be made to beg and even cry to register to vote. This is so wrong

binaflexia:
Well written and calculated. God bless you!

Well this is the same medicine people take time without number to delude and decieve themselves. Why dont to add up the entire figures, and see what it come to 93.6 BN, let me make it clearer that is £395 Million. Now how does that sound for a generaly rubbish excersize so far.

@Ikay88,

You are right my brother. However there is a big difference between wanting change and making change. The Nigerian man or woman wants change, but the Nigerian man or woman is not prepared to do that which will bring change. And it starts by asking the key questions of those who have gotten into power by whatever means, and Nigerians believing and understanding that the country belongs to them and not a select few. But for me the most important thing is that we must all have a unified definition of right and wrong.

Presently those words have an entirely different meaning in the Nigerian context, and that I believe is our major problem.

Take for instance the ongoing voters registeration, which to me has been very bad. Why dont we all see it as that and find how we can move forward, instead people are keen on defending the indefensible. I do understand that people might have had varying experiences, but by and large it has not been a good excercise, considering the amount of money spent.

spyder880:
'Nigerians really havent gotten it'
Have you got it? What have you ever achieved in your entire life, are you not a part of the problem? There is no Nigeria, it starts with YOU, blockhead!

No need to cuss me. The truth they say can be bitter. The problem is Nigerians havent learn how to listen, digest, and accept the truth. That is why you are here, barking at me like a JunkYard dog instead of getting it. So you have just proven my point

sweet9ja:
@monkeyleg, you are just pretending to be objective, but from your post I can see that you're bitter dat GEJ won the ticket.
Furthermore, you're also pretending to live in the UK and claiming to know the working of the whiteman's democracy.
We know our system is full of flaws, but the conduct of the last PDP prez primaries was surely a step in the right direction.
Don't always believe what those western press tell you, these guys are not always fair in their reporting of Africa.

Sarah Jubril is a brave lady by any standard, because running for president of Nigeria is not for the fainthearted, but she should do her homework very well next time.

I really dont care if GEJ won the primaries, all I am interested in is the process that ushers one in. If there is reason to suspect the process, what is wrong in voicing ones opinion, and if necessary taking steps to put things right.

Sarah Jubril, has every right, like you and I to challenge a process if she feels it is wrong. A right most Nigerians do not understand that they have and should exercise. That is how you keep a govt in check

Very funny, but extremely worrying.
I remember when I started questioning this guys moves, I was quickly and swiftly shot down and dragged out with blood all over the floor by a lot of apologist on this forum.

Let us step back a bit. Right from the inception, a lot of people were already singing his praises even before he lifted a finger, well for me I was looking out for a proper programme plan, one that showed promise that some of the issues from the last exercise had been tackled and addressed properly. I even recounted my 12hr experience during the last voter’s registration, on this forum.

Anyway, then came the Delta state re-run. No matter what people say, it was very clear to me and those who wanted to see that the whole thing was a sham, with the same problems bugging things down, even Jega in his own words admitted that ballot box snatching and rowdy electioneering was the order of the day. Some were fixated on the point that my preferred candidate did not win, however I was more interested in a system which had shown very little signs of change, in fact in my candid assessment, I think it had regressed badly. People were failing to see my point of a man, who definitely wasn’t suited for the job. In times like this, our lack of honest assessment always gets the best of us.

2 weeks later, the voters registration kicks off, then we start getting all these horrible stories, including the wicked and false blaming of corpers. Well honestly I wasn’t surprised that the whole thing was going to be like this. Anyone who wanted to be objective, could see that proper planning and consultation had not being done, and the likelihood of a smooth and credible exercise was very remote, but being the Nigerians we are, we don’t face up to it and start making silly excuses.

Key questions:
1: why was this contract not awarded to an organisation that has good solid experience of Biometric registration be it local of foreign? After all with a budget in excess of £300 million, you can get the brightest and the best.
2: Where is the accountability, why were Nigerians not updated regularly on the progress of the whole thing from planning to delivery?
3: Who is responsible?

As far as I am concerned, no more money should be thrown at this thing, until Jega comes with a very detailed, credible and plausible plan. If he can’t, he must be relieved on the position, and someone with a better understanding brought in.
The way things are going, I can guarantee you guy, we will be going through this same thing come 2015

I beg you people should leave her alone. She can speak good english, it is you people who cannot hear her properly.

Jen33:
monkeyleg said:
Guy, How the hell am I supposed to prove a negative?

It is your BBC that should provide evidence of their charges.

I don't expect you to ask them for any evidence, since their word is law to you apparently!

Almost as if God Himself spoke!
None, if they all take their cue from the BBC like you!

Typical Nigerian, swimming in Shyt and still doesnt know it. keep deceiving yourself. I have said that mental health issues are the biggest problem facing us as a nation

Jen33:
monkeyleg said:

And so the helll what if BBC reported this?

Since when did the BBC become a credible source of information on anything especially pertaining to Britain's ex colonies, Nigeria including? DUMMMYYY!!!!!

Why dont you show me your own proof that what BBC said was wrong.

I am now convinced that Nigeria is littered with young and old men with serious mental issues

Which news media in the entire country can be considered credible

Sorry oh, so this minister is more corrupt than Uduaghan and co? Another cheap point scoring scapegoatism. Let them go and catch the real big thieves

wesley80:
Technically, Gej didnt shun it - he only got it sooner than it was due. In Delta state, its scratch my back I scratch yours. With the support Uduaghan currently enjoys from d north, it is hoped that same support would be reciprocated come 2015 to a candidate from the north afterall he wouldnt have won without their support. But that remains to be seen as treachery is not restricted to any particular tribe.

Wesley80, I am surprised that you are fall for this rubbish plan. People like you are the politically lazy we have in this country, not prepared to fight on merit, just sit and hope in comes your way. I can guarantee you that you will be pleasantly surprised.

Mark it, I know Uduaghan well enough to confirm this your silly wish will come to nothing. Go and look around Delta North there are far more credible "less tainted" candidates that your Ifeanyi Okowa.

I have told you and I will continue to, grow out of this slave mentality. The state belongs to you as well, do not allow the likes of Uduaghan continue to moleste you

The poster is very right. Nigerians really havent gotten it.

golamike:
You haven't answered my question! So because BBC said something, it must be true? What facts/evidence do u have? If Sarah Jubril had won, would that have made the whole process fair? All this noise is because GEJ won d primaries. I am not in anyway supporting GEJ on this, but i hate factless arguments. Now, be sincere, did u think Sarah Jubril could win d primaries? Tell me the states in which you thought she was going to have more votes than GEJ or Atiku.

Monkeyleg, please answer the above questions!

There is really very little reason why I should doubt bbc, simply because they are credible, and believe it or not, they check thoer sources out.

That said, I think the issue here, which you have failed to grasp is not if Sarah Jubril lost, I think the issue here is what transpired and how the whole affair was conducted. I would have cried foul even if it was not pdp, and things were done wrong

koastar:
You must be one of the gullible ones we have on planet earth. Lobbing everywhere is about interest. Even in the UK you mentioned, lobbing using cash can not be ruled out. Is it because all parties kept their own side of the deal and no body hears about it, you conclude that Uk is clean? My guy, if you are not an insider you won't know about it. Grow up and stop being naive!I tire o my brother! She doesn't want to lose twice- money and presidential ticket, that is why she's making this noise to get back her lost money through contract or settlement out of court

Too bad that Nigerians think that people do exactly the same rottern things we do back home.

Funny enuff I am one of the delegates in the UK, and they dont use money as some of you have allerged.

You see this is the rot that has finish Nigeria as a country, we refuse to face up to our failures and accuse others of doing the same

redsun:
A country without a credible legal system and a credible police force like nigeria is obviously a rogue state

My bro, no be small mago-mago.

For every 1 thief them catch, 500 are walking free.

Ournaija:
Let act a little civilized here. The court is there for any aggrieved person(s). It`s only the court that will determine if her case is valid or not. Everybody can`t be on same page at same time. She may have some information we don`t have. Abeg free her to exercise her right. Mama Kwara abeg carry go. Sue GEJ, sue Nairalanders, sue everybody atleast you have the time.

Thank you very much.

This woman has not dome anything wrong, and like u have suggested might have information we dont. Please let her excersize her right, something most us dont understand how to do

redsun:
She is making a change by challenging the ills of the system.She might not be a saint but she is exercizing her fundamental human right as a functional human

Exactly, why do people see what she is doing as wrong? she is entitled to raise any objections, it is her right. Something the typical Nigerian doesnt understand. The Nigerian is content to be fed scraps.

They wont complain and act about the shameful voters registers
They wont complain about adequate security,
They wont complain about the lack of jobs and opportunities for all, schools, good roads, hospitals.

All the do is critisize those who dare to

redsun:
It is quite scary when you speak to real life nigerians in nigeria,especially the ones that are fairly ok,they just think the situation is normal.

It is normal for a minister or perm sec to get 20 percent of any contract awarded as kickback.It is normal for contracts to only be awarded to relatives,friends and extended relatives and friends of politicians even when their could be  a better and more reliable bidders who doesn't have corrupt connection taht would have delivered better.

It is crazy

My brother it is so true. I had exactly the same experience. The damn thing has eaten us dry. Merit has been thrown out of the door, and this is the main problem with us, but the typical Nigerian doesnt see it, even the so called well educated

redsun:
It was mostly the middle class that instigated the mental change and the end to the prolonged injustices of the ruling classs against the peeps in tunisia that is now sweeping across the arab world like a wild fire.

Educated minds are suppose to be rational,inquisitive,fearless,selfless,morally upright,productive and self sufficient but in nigeria they seems to be and do the opposite.

My brother, so true. But it will never happen in Nigeria. The so called middle class are too damn selfish to care about genuine change.

redsun:
Nigeria is one country that corruption is so endemic that even the suppose normal educated middle class nigerians are believing that it is a normal way of doing things.

My broda, I tire. I am telling you morality is zero in our country. People are even suggesting that she should have brided if that is the issue.

Someone posted here that Nigeria will not be good, even in 50yrs, and I agree 100%. with an attitude that believes lobbying includes stuffing evelopes with money, after all it is our way.

We are a sick society, very sick

shakara4u:
they lobby everywhere in the world

give sarah the details,thats the proof shes looking for,not hear say

gbam!!!

I asked for a simple definition of lobbying in the Nigerian context.


Believe me, the definition of lobbying in the UK does not include stuffing envelopes with cash.

aguiyi:
any proofs,dont believe everything u read and dont forget that you can do RIGHT thingS in the process of doing the WRONG oneS,however,do not be quick to forget that lobbying is part of the electioneering process

And what is the Nigerian definition of lobbying?

This is what gets me about our people, even where there might be a case of an obvious wrong, we are prepared to dance around the truth.

I maintain. The Lady has every right to challenge a process if it is clear to her that there was an obvious wrong, and I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I dont think anyone on here can say for sure that nothing suspecious happned during the primaries. My point remains that if there is reason to question the process, she has every right to do that without being antagonised as some of you are doing.

If this was the UK and you are picking a party leader, and there is wift of money changing hands, I cant even suggest what would happen.


Now are people denying that the 5000 / 7000 dollar issue never happened?


Strange people, funny country